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Apple Newton Teardown - The Electronics Inside 

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Imagine a world before apps, before capacitive touch screen, where color LCD screens for portable devices were uncommon. Now imagine what Apple were trying to develop to fill the pockets of every consumer! bit.ly/2VpT7Mp
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@madmax2069
@madmax2069 4 года назад
The original Newton had those issues but the 2000 and 2100 it was pretty damn good.
@MrKelaher
@MrKelaher 4 года назад
agreed - I had and still have in storage a VERY tricked out 2000, loved it.
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 3 года назад
They definitely ironed out the recognition issues, it just took some time to refine. That a device with that amount of power was even capable of the feat in the first place was pretty amazing. As I've pointed out in several other replies, that recognizer lives on in iPad (Pros) and lived on as Inkwell / Ink in macOS. You don't throw out good technology. 😉
@tonydonnelly
@tonydonnelly 4 года назад
At one time, Apple licenced the Macintosh OS, and Sony manufactured a Mac clone. I don't recall any Newton clones, however US Robotics, which later became Palm Computing, made a competing device, the Palm Pilot, which was very successful.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Palm OS was (and arguably is) still brilliant! Aparently Sharp, Motorolla, Siemens, Digital Ocean and Harris all produced newton devices. I have also (since filming) found out about the HP iPods!
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 3 года назад
The architectural design of PalmOS was very, very, insanely Macintosh inspired. They had resource forks which were essentially databases mapping a "fourCC" code and numeric identifier to structured data, such as a WIND resource describing a window. Or ICNs containing an icon. CODE containing, well, executable code. The fixed "Jot" writing recognition was nothing compared to later Newton revisions; I'm incredibly glad Apple reintroduced write-anywhere recognition in iPad OS. Palm OS just couldn't keep up with the increase in storage demands (I've written a number of Palm OS VFS utilities, it was un-fun,) and high resolution screens seriously fragmented the OEM space, with Palm utilizing one API set, Sony utilizing another, and most devices (until Palm OS 5 / Garnet and the transition to ARM) incapable of much beyond uncompressed (or run-length encoded) BMP display. I also wrote one of the first JPEG decoders for early Garnet devices. Fifteen seconds to decode a 1600x1200 JPEG for display on a 320x320 screen was just awesome, and yup, that was with ARM-native optimizations… seriously ugh. Sony cheated with ASIC CODECs-discrete hardware decoders for things like MP3 and ATRAC. 😉
@AkaBigWurm77
@AkaBigWurm77 4 года назад
According to Wikipedia The term PDA was first used on January 7, 1992 by Apple in reference to the Newton
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Ahhh, Nice catch!
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 3 года назад
It's so much better than that. 1987 Apple predicted, or planned, their own invention of Siri. The "Knowledge Navigator", a foldable (book-like; ref. recent foldable iPhone concept images) iPad with voice feedback and input. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-umJsITGzXd0.html Also a hideous bow-tie. I've set the spoken language preference on all of my devices to "British, Male", so I can legitimately claim I have my own Jarvis.
@Rouverius
@Rouverius 4 года назад
Back in college, I was champing at the bit to get one of those... but a typical dirt-poor student. By the time I had money enough, I'd completely forgotten about it after I bought my first Nokia phone. To be far, Snake is a rather compelling game.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Snake for the Win! What model did you get?
@Rouverius
@Rouverius 4 года назад
@@a531016 I wanna say it was the 3310 but maybe I've seen to many memes
@archibaldbuttle7
@archibaldbuttle7 4 года назад
The large manual is a product of the times, where all products tended to come with manuals, and not a reflection of the ease of use of the OS. People didn't bother to read it. In reality NewtonOS was incredibly easy and intuitive to use. The ARM610 was an early step towards a SoC - it combined an ARM CPU core with an ARM memory management unit (previously separate chips). Shortly after it was produce ARM made the ARM250 which combined an ARM CPU, memory management unit, IO controller and video controller, probably the first true SoC.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Somewhere in history, we went from PCs with nothing but a command line prompt on boot, which definately warrented a manual to teach you how to use it. To an intuitue, idiot proof user experiance. But the two overlapped enourmously - I would ask why? Not that I disagree with your reasononing or anything, I'm just intruigued to explore why this may be?
@DavidFarrellEastBay
@DavidFarrellEastBay 4 года назад
"Not surprisingly, the 'battup backery' doesn't work" ... Indeed :)
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Ha! Yep, that's the one!
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 3 года назад
Amusing to me to hear the, well, justifiable complaints about some of the ground-breaking features such as handwriting recognition, but… That recognizer never died. It became Inkwell in macOS, and today all iPad Pros support this write-anywhere capability. Newton OS lives on.
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 3 года назад
Follow-up note, the API and filesystem design was also fully object-oriented. Very much inspired by OO language design. Very intriguing stuff, to me, as a software engineer. (Other interesting things from the time: HyperCard and the crazily natural language programming language it used that evolved into AppleScript.)
@AnotherBoringTopic
@AnotherBoringTopic 4 года назад
The term "PDA" or Personal Digital Assistant was first used by then Apple CEO John Sculley, at a pre-release presentation on the Newton. Although the Newton was a flop, it did limp along until Steve Jobs returned and killed it in 1998. Given the fact that the final generation of Newtons were enormously improved in every way from the original clunky devices, and were finally delivering on most of the promises originally made about their capabilities (although they remained niche devices), there is speculation by some that Jobs killed the project at least partially out of vindictiveness towards Sculley, who had been hired by Jobs back in the 1980s but had wound up leading Apple (until he was in turn forced out of Apple) after Jobs lost a power struggle and was ousted from the company in 1985. One of the final Newtons was the Newton eMate 300, a very netbookesque folding device aimed at the education market, it was actually seeing considerable interest and seemed to be taking off when Jobs killed everything.
@crisbwilliams
@crisbwilliams 4 года назад
One of Jony Ive’s first designs he was in charge of at Apple.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Do you think it was a successful one?
@crisbwilliams
@crisbwilliams 4 года назад
@@a531016 It was a nice step up from the first generation Apple Newton. The way everything fit's and even the look of the stylus. Just like his design of the 20th anniversary Mac, he was only one Steve Jobs away from brilliant.
@dykodesigns
@dykodesigns 4 года назад
And also typical of his designs, it breaks when you try to take it apart and it’s complex on the inside. Johnny had some design wins that where good industrial design (the G3/G4/G5 powermac cases) but also some flat out form over function design fails (the hockey puck mouse from the first iMac). Johnny was good when Steve Jobs was alive, but without Steve he became too obsessed with making things thin to a point where it hurts the functionality of the product. It seems like product design is a fine balance. Johnny is the opposite of an Architect, they often get better with age and experience but he’s gotten worse over the years.
@foxsux6000
@foxsux6000 4 года назад
When i feel nostalgic i turn on handwriting recognition on my Samsung Galaxy Note 9, it feels like an advanced newton 😂
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Ha! Pro Tip!
@SonnyHung
@SonnyHung 4 года назад
You broke the case because you were not careful. It was not due to deterioration of the plastic. We can see in the video that you pulled the plastic without attempting to release the edge along the side where you were pulling.
@madmax2069
@madmax2069 4 года назад
It was brittle
@kazriko
@kazriko 4 года назад
9:15 I think MacOS was very, very briefly licensed for other devices after the Newton's failure. I don't think that lasted long. The PalmOS devices were far more usable than the newton, and as good as smart phones that came out a decade later, in everything except the touch screen being capacitive. The first iphones didn't even allow you to install your own software.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Or shoot video (which still blew my mind at the time that they couldn't)!
@genghisbunny
@genghisbunny 4 года назад
I definitely agree that Palm pilots were vastly superior to newtons in every way, but Apple was in the market, failing, for more than 3 years before Palm. So the cleverness of Palm was to see all the failures of Apple (poor battery life, ridiculous size, dreadful reliability, and hilariously high price tag) and overcome all of them with the benefit of technological progress and better industrial designers. But I'll still give Apple due credit for being first to the mainstream market with a touchscreen PDA.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
​@@genghisbunny You are right, it'e easy to point fingers at pioneers that may not have been 100% succesful. I have been an early adopter of a few tech products and trends and had my finger burnt once or twice.
@protovision2010
@protovision2010 4 года назад
Great video! I had one for 6 months through my work, was very cool, ahead of its time. Tried to do some simple programming for it (golf game),. Was new to the idea of data from one app could be shared in another app, via OS db 'soups'. Neat stuff.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
I have to admit, I know pretty much nothing about developing for Newton. Was it a Mac SDK?
@protovision2010
@protovision2010 4 года назад
@@a531016 no, it was its own sdk, if I remember correctly. Objective-C, which I muddled through with my C coding skills. I think there was a middleware/scripting language as well.
@MAYERMAKES
@MAYERMAKES 4 года назад
I guess our meeting is not happening now..thanks newton...son of a ..malus x domestica
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Next time!
@pointlessfailure
@pointlessfailure 4 года назад
Beat up Martin/Eat up Martha
@Ccoolty
@Ccoolty 4 года назад
first he insults the newton then he literally destroys it. you're beating a dead horse.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Not deliberatly on either count!
@ifrit05
@ifrit05 4 года назад
Apple allowed HP to sell iPods with HP branding. Even the very first iPod had an ARM CPU from Samsung.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
I only found that out a week or so ago (before this was filmed and edited)! Interesting to know thought. Although the HP iPods were an exact copy and just packaged with different sofware and manuals right?
@ifrit05
@ifrit05 4 года назад
David Edwards yeah but still it was another outside company using apple’s intellectual property lol
@Johninadelaide2022
@Johninadelaide2022 4 года назад
Brittle plastic. Snap. Oops. Had a Sony video camera from around that time and even stored well the plastic can snap for random reasons.
@MrKelaher
@MrKelaher 4 года назад
No one "in the public" had one, just hardcore techies, some OEM business use and one variant for schools - I had several variants and developed for them. Had psions too which I loved, and others. Journalists hated the hand writing recognition because they have short attention spans/deadlines - it had some adaptive smarts that had to settle into your personal cursive style. It worked pretty good for me, especially with the later models like the 2100, and my handwriting is awful. I used them every day for quite a few years. Lots of additional apps existed - I had hundreds and even used it as a super portable mobile terminal to unix systems with its keyboard accessory. I had a wifi card, modem and more memory. It synced with Microsoft exchange just fine as an example. I was definitely the inspiration for later products, but was too far ahead of its time, including the OS which is object based with a built in database engine and quite unlike the kludge that was early iOS or MacOS pre X. The handbook was needed because it was first of a kind, and well written. Also happened with all PCs of that era - hindsight fallacy to critique it, nothing in tech was "natural" at that point.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
Interesting to hear is was an object based OS, i thought that came to Apple after it was developed at NEXT with Jobs?
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 3 года назад
“Kludge” and your opinion is duly noted and ignored. (Said by someone who wrote software for iOS 1; yes, prior to an SDK or official public developer tools existing.)
@MrKelaher
@MrKelaher 3 года назад
​@@GothAlice Me too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ carrier developers, as I was then, had all the toys. I was utterly platform neutral then, as I am now, and call it as I see it. You do know I wrote that 9 months ago ? Sorry if I made your angry, I am sure in other contexts we would get along great.
@awo1fman
@awo1fman 4 года назад
Sorry, but the lack of manuals for modern devices has nothing to do with simplicity or ease of use. If they were as conscientious and open about giving you information and instructions about current devices they would be far, far thicker than that Newton's literature. What has happened is that over time they've partly given up keeping up with the slew of devices they're constantly producing, not to mention the updates to both hardware and software. Devices used to last for years and years, now they expect you to buy a brand new $1000.00 device every year and never really get to know it or take advantage of more than a tiny amount of its capabilities. And they really DON'T WANT you to know all the things you can do with it. As for me, I stopped buying flagships about 8 years ago (a Galaxy S4 was my last flagship phone).My current phone cost me less than $300, does everything I need it to do (which is a heck of a lot more than the average person, I'm a major power user), and is several years old already. When it starts having problems or no longer meets my needs I'll replace it, but not before then. Oh, and as long as phones exist that have headphone jacks I will NOT buy a phone that doesn't have one. I use that jack constantly, even though I have lots of Bluetooth headsets, headphones and speakers. Having to charge something besides the phone, and having your headset's battery run low long before the phone itself, is way more hassle than it's worth. Just plug and go. (Not to mention wireless audio is compressed and lacking in quality compared to wired.)
@YaFunklord
@YaFunklord 4 года назад
Clunky? Hard to use? I'd argue that UX knowledge has been lost from that time. Smartphones have terrible interfaces and are even more horrible under the hood.
@GothAlice
@GothAlice 3 года назад
Developing for PalmOS, a key metric on any action the user can perform with your app (today, "user stories") was number of taps. The more critical or core the functionality, the fewer taps should be required to get there. Today, the number of artificial hills placed in front of so many interactions (animations, tap-and-hold, &c.) and obfuscation involved shakes my faith in UX designers.
@nabeelsowan9642
@nabeelsowan9642 3 года назад
@@GothAlice You are so right, the weighting of UI elements depending on importance, and other kinds of objective metrics are being ignored almost completely, in a fashion not unlike beginner developers. Seems to me the only thing UX design is about nowadays is creating a form of "artsy ancient sci-fi style interface meets nordic design style", screw intuitiveness and productivity. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. People have a hard time accepting that you can't objectively make a program look good. It's often the case, that, the more you focus on esthetics, the more narrow you are making its appeal.
@charlessale409
@charlessale409 4 года назад
I think both consumers and technology had to be ready for a new device. I think steve learned the hard way with Lisa. You can tell this device wants to do more but the tech isn’t there yet, even if people wanted it. The iphone was that successful combo.
@cyrilthefish
@cyrilthefish 4 года назад
"they can't have put the operating system on volatile memory can they" Yes, yes they did* kind of... *going back to the winCE days here for me, whilst the OS was in ROM, ALL user/config data was in battery backed RAM... Let the battery expire and you'd find your device reset to factory defaults when you next charged and booted it... I'd guess this being the same setup.
@a531016
@a531016 4 года назад
I assume this is pure the cost of non volatile memory at the time?
@SonnyHung
@SonnyHung 4 года назад
FailQuail , when they released the MP2000/MP2100 it was stored in flash ram. So even when the batteries went flat the moment you installed a fresh set of Alkaline AA all your data was still there.
@cyrilthefish
@cyrilthefish 4 года назад
@@SonnyHung I remember this from my early winCE smartphone days, and i was aware many other devices had the same setup too. Nice that there were some that sensibly used flash storage though :)
@SonnyHung
@SonnyHung 4 года назад
Yeah, I was there too with the Palm Pilot, and WinCE devices and they all really didn’t offer a flash ram option back then which caused quite a problem when an issue arose and battery power drained... my Newton Mp2100 5-7 years after being pit into storage power up right back to where it was left with all the data , applications and stuff I needed to reference. What was good was when Newton moved away from SRAM which was introduced with the OMP/MP100 which needed a battery backup in the card to Flash Ram cards what ever you stored off the Newton on the flash cards never lost anything normally except for those unusual rare occasions when something went corrupt which I personally never experienced. Now a days devices have data stored in flash ram. The prices back then was high for flash ram so I can understand why it was not adopted early on.
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