Apple Noob Tries Gaming On A MacBook Pro... 

like a cooler ~~That should be there~~

I can see you're a windows person like Linus.

@@Dracossaint or a graphics card ~~that shouldn't~~

@@univera1111 huh?

If it were an Intel machine, I think he could do Quad-GT710.

Nah, their motto is: We sell you overpriced products because we know you'll buy whatever we sell no matter what."

In fairness, PC gaming manufacturers motto, “Just slap some RGB on it!”

@@anakinlowground5515 That’s the Nvidia motto.

@@LimeEye13 Well how else would you achieve buttery smooth 60+ FPS if not with RGB? It's kinda like these totally legit flame stickers on cars giving them +20 extra horsepower. C'mon every Gamer knows that

Buying Apple products is like intelligence test: if you have it then you don't have it :P

My macbook cries when I have unreal engine open too long

Its really wild. I have an M1 13" MBP and played Civilization V and the fan was barely noticeable after a few hours of progression. My wife's Mid-2014 MBP got an NVME upgrade this weekend I forgot it sounds like a clapped out Airbus a321 on takeoff.

IT DOES AS WELL

@@marcochavanne be grateful is not as loud as ps4 jet engine

@@Zillmanti no wonder its sounds like that bc most of those console users dont clean it, meanwhile the switch is gasping of air when playing among us

"that cost me too much time for doing a simple task" And apple is supposed to be easy to use and intuitive. I never used a apple device but maybe if you start with one and stick to the ecosystem it may be better. Windows has its own fair share of weirdness and frustration sometimes... but at least it can play games.

I also have greasy manhands. and it does smudge up the laptop. lol

Omg what a missed opportunity!

@@AnnaDoes yh ikr .-.

Woulda been a good spot for the armoring up cutscene

I got a $350 white case for my iPad Pro and I feel like I need a case for it lol

Yeah I think he did a great job with the ending, more sketches Dawid!

“Did you want a charger with that?“ LOL 😂

This had a good ending. But best Apple for Gaming burn is Viva La Dirt League with The Worst Robber Ever.

In b4 Dawid does a collaboration with Kallmekris

Now try playing Resident evil village on base model MacBook Air.

If you consider future is stuff like Apple Arcade and/or Cloud Gaming then yes, they might be the future. Otherwise real triple A local games will probably never thrive on macOS seen how closed up and anti consumer Apple is. They refuse to support stuff like Vulkan or other things that actually make gaming good

Or if they do it might end horribly... idk, I'm just not an apple fan at all. Screw them honestly.

Isn't the mac crowd adjacent to the ban violent videogames crowd?

No, macs were the king in gaming back in the 1990s and 2000s

@@Kazim28 no💀 apple never wants their computer to game and gaming companies don't like Mac either

And at least when you hear your laptops turbines spooling up you know it's working it's arse off to give you the best performance it possibly can

and at least some upgradable parts like the ssd and ram like the older macbooks

Plus, a laptop that sounds like a jet engine adds realism in Microsoft Flight Simulator

@@superpork1superboy771 Good one there. No jet engine? No problem, use your laptop's fan as a jet engine lolol.

@@superpork1superboy771 really adds to the immersion 😂😂😂

nah some of them have flawed design like the display ribbon cable can't withstand stress of being lifted up & down, placing power providing right next to ssd.

@@liesandy291 yeah i think louis rossman had one where the display power cable shorted onto the cpu and fried it lol

It’s really a shame. I really want to like their products, but I’m always left disappointed after interacting with one.

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Me too. So much engineering potential is ultimately wasted.

You must not make very much if you repair Apple products for a living and you find them impossible to repair. I repair Apple devices for fun and my main machines are an iMac and a MacBook from 2011, which I had to fix/upgrade a couple times and are perfectly clean.

😂😂😂

With how closed Apple operating system are I think it is rougher ATM.

Linux requires tweeking many times, some knowlage to tech and many times the use of the command line, and not just the gui, its not as intuitive as windows also due to not being as popular, and with that support is neglatingly lacking from companies, speacilly game companies(anti cheat crap and all). Despise that, gaming on linux is amazing imo, both with proton/wine or on kvm with gpu passthrough superior to mac and all done for free, just requires some work to do.

@@asunavk69 I mean, it's getting easier every day. Older games run arguably better through DXVK

​@@PaperReaper yeah i've seen videos on benchmarks with eta prime and on some systems with amd with cyberpunk 2077 you w'd get +10frames on linux, its just the tweeking part that we might do to run a game that worries me, although hopefully it gets ironed out to help us move out of the(imo) so terrible win11.

@@asunavk69 I mean, win11 being terrible is not a hot take lol

How much did you spend on your most recent graphic card?

One makes you buy in bulk the other makes you believe you get value because you get to put it together. You probably spend more on PC because it "customizable". As if Microsoft hasn't had bad practices. Tom Waller you're probably smarter than me use that big ass forehead for something

@@NoBody-ks3co He's got 42 thumbs up, so he's obviously right. /s

​@Bear Spicer You forget that most people only know about Apple portables and compare them with their homebuilt Frankenstein experiments. _HAHAHA everything is _*_soldered_* - oh yes, and I sometimes forget that most of the RU-vid PC experts are gamers. They *_identify themselves_* as gamers, which is somewhat even sadder.

Saturday morning over here🤣

Haha

Hah, it's Friday for me, I'm a grown man, have the day off, eating a bowl of cereal and drinking coffee :)

Hahaha!! Fair enough.

You have experience opening hundreds of these, he has probably barely opened a few. Simply a difference of skill.

and then for 1500$ they put in a screen that's worse than my 20 year old monitor

I always thought Apple was a weird choice for any regular consumer, normally waaaay over priced for middling at best hardware performance. I kinda get it for professionals that need macOS compatibilty. But damn their practices are so anti consumer it makes Sony, Intel, AMD, Nvidia and Microsoft look like champions of the downtrodden. I mean most users would never be able to even open a Macbook to give it a dust out, let alone add another stick of RAM or upgrade the storage, which is now impossible for all but the most skilled with access to soldering reflow equipment and parts that Apple actively try to block 3rd parties from buying.

@@Gazereths1234 Many professionals are switching off apple products just from all of their bogus antics. There are some that are locked into their walled garden of bullshit but those that have been able to jump ship have in droves. The fact of today isnt that mac users are creatives that need the top end software compatibility but instead a bunch of everyday Joes that see the fancy looking shapes and colors with a high price tag so they assume its good or some kind of status symbol. They have built themselves as a "premium" brand and use that to justify treating their consumers like garbage. Then those same people line up to be treated as such. They are the definition of a company that only cares about profits and how much they can fleece their consumers for all while having the absolute worst business practices and setting the bar to a new low for human decency.

But remember, Tim says Apple always acts with moral superiority, according to Tim 🙄

@@GewelReal your 20 years old monitor had such a big resolution and a big color space? Sounds amazing .

its a really good trackpad (the best actually). And the chip is so optimiced that the 8 GB are comparable to a 16GB Windows laptop

You are forgetting amazing battery life.

@@sotonin He also forgot "a computer you won't ever have to tinker with to make it usable".

@blacknester and the prices are kinda 200% in India :|

I legitimately want to know how people still think they're worth buying, from you, as an expert. For a company that touts innovation, their computers (and even their phones now) are lagging behind current capabilities by significant margins yet cost an arm and a leg. I can't even justify the media production capabilities anymore.

Yeah OpenEMU is possibly the best multisystem emulation software across any platform. It's better than Retroarch by a huge fucking margin.

Because in a lot of areas outside of gaming macOS is very far ahead of Windows. Mainly audio engineering, creative work, and software development. The tools and APIs used for app development are much nicer. I can write a few lines of code in Xcode and have it multithread my app automatically. Doing the same job in Visual Studio in Windows is a lot more work to do the same job. In fact a lot of the backend infrastructure running on the Linux machines that run this very website were written on Macs. I won’t justify the price, because even most Mac users think it’s robbery, but the working environment is just that much nicer that we put up with it. As a bit of a clarification, ever since Apple added the Metal API, which is a direct port of the same Mantle and thus DX12 and Vulkan APIs Windows uses, if and when you could get MacOS running on the same hardware as Windows, gaming performance was often right on parity with Windows. But the new ARM switch now makes that impossible. Game performance is bad on M1 and M2 Macs because it’s emulating Intel based games on ARM, on TOP of all the crazy resolution scaling it’s doing to render the game. Combine that with weak GPUs and a tiny TDP, and Steam games don’t have a prayer on Macs right now.

@@SyntheticFrost Have to say as a creative type person ( artist) apart from not actually being able to afford any apple products I wouldnt touch them even if i was paid , their design philosophy and just ick factor repels me. I can happily edit, encode and bash script on 8 to 10 year old machines which most people would landfill and still get stuff done . No i dont make glossy vogue ads or flashy music vids but hey thats not me , nor is the mac ( and for most of those working in the area I work ).

@@skilletborne people still rockin’ 2011 macbook pro and run decent, thats one of the reason they’re worth buying. Windows is only good for gaming and corporate slaves’ works, other than that, its shitty. Im not apple fanboy, i use both pc and mac daily, but from user experience point of view, mac is much more positive.

I have one of the last Intel models, 16" Pro. No input lag on there that I can notice - I play GTA5 on Windows on it quite regularly. It is a bit like a jet engine though so headphones are a must. So perhaps the input lag thing is a M1/2 thing.

There's a sheeple born every minute.

I was also really excited at the idea of gaming on this little MacBook, but it was so much more buggy than I was expecting. Curious to see how this will develop over time.

😛😛😛😙😘

I do honestly think that the potential of Apple Silicon is insane - just look at some benchmarks of the M1 Pro, Max and Ultra! However, gaming on a Mac will always be one of them things where you can do it, but it really isn’t recommended or even worth it. No developer wants to be the first one to port their AAA title to Mac in fear of losing money on it, which to be fair I don’t blame them because Mac market share is minuscule compared to PC and an even smaller percentage of Mac owners even want to game on it in the first place

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Probably as much as the Epic Game Store has evolved over time. It only took two years to add a shopping cart!

does it work flawlessly if you use apple-only peripherals? like an apple dongle and an apple monitor

I’ve had no problems with 2021 macbook pro and caldiget ts3+ thunderbolt dock. Everything works as it should

Apples resolution management is so terrible it’s not even funny. You need to get a third party app to unlock all the possible resolutions that they have, and you basically have to flip a coin on each monitor whether they’re gonna support high refresh rates at native resolution or not. And even more funny is if I can get 60hz on native res but I want to make the scale of everything smaller (macos doesn’t have display scaling feature like windows) it will let me super sample to 4K but at 30hz!!! Like wtf it’s not even putting 4K through the cable only 1440p and it’s limiting me to 30hz.

Could it be the dock/dongle? I have a Satechi USB C dongle for my work Macbook and plugging in an HDMI BenQ monitor plus some USB A devices always worked fine. I haven't hit it with a lot of devices yet tho.

@@bzipoli I don't know, I have no interest in paying for that overpriced display, and the 32" one is too expensive. I have more than one computer so a monitor that can only plug into one is already a deal-breaker to me.

Haha!! I’m glad to hear. Thanks for watching.

its purely macos monterey its just so buggy and like the windows vista of macos on mojave which i use everything just works

How is 8gb of ram premium hardware?????

@@JohnDoe-xw1jk because of the type of ram they use. 8GB of UNIFIED Memory which works with both the CPU and GPU at once and the ram won't typically be used up all the time because of software optimization.

@@commentwar4802 windows can do that too it's nothing special

@@JohnDoe-xw1jk No it can't the way memory works on two DIFFERENT architectures is way different. Windows machines are either Intel-based or AMD-based while all new Macs are ARM-based which allowed for the Unified Memory. Let me also remind you that Unified Memory has NOTHING to do with software and only with hardware so it's pretty damn obvious windows which is software, can't do the same. Neither can windows machines

And im sure that's quite deliberate

dont forget they make their products hardware unrepairable. good ol apple practices.

Greedy is the word you are looking for, they make sure you NEED to buy their Apple branded products ONLY, pure fucking Landfill company.. Can't upgrade RAM even, like WTF. 8GB!!!

what the fuck is a docking station

That’s pretty weird to me considering that you can only plug stuff in using dongles. 😅

They don’t

@@Kazim28 they subjectively objectively do

Wait……it’s not a button lol

Nah you wouldn't cry... because you also designed dongles that many people use to make the device less ... of what it is.

Oh no! I really hope they don’t think of that Apple Watch trick. 😂

There is no pcie slot on these trash machines though

@@Caius1930 yes there is they have thunderbolt just plug it in via USB c

yeah just dont buy apple crap in the first place.

Only one problem: external GPUs don't work on Apple Silicon machines, so that option's out the window too :/

@@elsyvien yeah I hate to tell you Thunderbolts docks are dead on modern macs sadly

"The thing is, macs aren't made for gaming, and are perfect for anything but gaming" But then why wouldn't i use something that can do gaming and everything else while also being cheaper?

Then just get any other pc? They can do the same AND gaming

Why?

should never buy this glorified trash

@@mephistophelesgg7963 ? these things just arent made for gaming but for productivity and you cant beat macbooks at that field...

@@SkyzzV_ using excel and modelling on a Mac isn't a great experience either.

@@SkyzzV_ Don't make me laugh, macs aren't made for anything like that. They are just overpriced and glorified trash. At best they are just laptops for old people or teenagers, who don't posses even a basic understanding of anything that's pc related

ist because macbooks have no reason to have a good response time screen. The only usecase is for Shooter games and you dont play that sort of game on a mac anyway

I didn’t know that! Thanks for letting me know. I knew it felt rough. 😂

@@thomasko0947 I don’t really agree. The extent of the response time and movement rendering problems, makes all movement on the display look rough. Even scrolling down a website makes my eyes hurt. I guess it’s fine if it’s the only thing you’re use to, but if you’ve experienced anything better, these displays suck to use.

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Yeah you are right. Everything feels a lot smoother with a good Display. I just wanted to say that the target audience of a MacBook don’t really care about hz and response time. They care more about resolution and color accuracy.

@@thomasko0947 Oh yeah, that’s very true. 😊 Display response time is probably one of the last things a lot of people think about when buying one.

Apple is stupid for making a fan a premium feature INA. Laptop

MBA isn't designed for sustain workload because it is passively cooled. Tell me how many passively cool laptop can play AAA games? LOL It's a stunt video. Most people don't do sustain work loads.

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu not gaming even just doing any remotely strenuous task

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu a lot of people do sustained workloads you melt. Gaming isn't the only one....

@@traestephen7276 This is bullshit. The M2 doesn't overheat, it only throttles about 10%... and even then it still runs 10% faster than an M1 MBA which also throttled by 10% under load. This misinformation about the M2 "overheating" needs to stop. It wasn't an issue on M1 MBA (heralded as the best laptop under 1000 bucks at the time) and it isn't an issue now.

Kinda like with ED-209 in Robocop. "I've got a guaranteed military contract, spare parts for the next 10 years! Who cares if it works or not!"

Well you actually buy a device you don't get full access to, a lot of stuff is locked, their firmware contain a lot of encrypted shit, the internal SSD is necessary to boot because it contains the bootloader and even when booting to an external drive the kernel gets copied to it... So when it'll die the computer will become trash... Nice job Apple, making your laptop life dependent on its weakest part!

Can confirm. Had for free a mid-2012 13" macbook pro... and only lasted on MacOS for 6 months. Then decided to use bootcamp to have Windows 10, and then went full Windows 10 on the mac. I do not miss the experience. When the mac died, just decided to buy another windows laptop.

@@TheMC1X the mid 2012 13 inch 2012 is the best MacBook Pro ever and never dies… how did yours??? It supports Metal and will run Monterey flawlessly Hope you chose a good Windows laptop, some can be worse than a recent MacBook though lol Firmware wise though, and logic board wise, it will always be day and night

I get "Apple" experience with big heatsinks in PCs. My Fujitsu lappy doesn't even kick the fan on until it's like 70 or 80C and even at full blast, it's darn quiet.

I’m glad you are happy with your MBP. I feel like buying a MacBook is a great way to stop gaming as much. 😂

How?

@@user-ke7mx3vk7k I don't want to go into great detail here, but they had her arrested so they could fire her easier. She had done absolutely nothing except no longer be of use to apple anymore. And she almost died of medical issues while in jail for the week before they decided shed done literally nothing and released her. (in BAD shape I might add)

@@RoseFBN Wow, what a shitty way to fire someone

@@user-ke7mx3vk7k yeah no kidding

The 650m was trash even back then

@@plasmawarper5837 It was better than integrated graphics.

@@plasmawarper5837 it was mid range, good for thin laptops back then

I did something similar, had an MBP with switchable Radeon graphics and Boot Camp, it was the best of both worlds while it lasted. I get why Apple deprecate entire architectures, it keeps their legacy OS support requirements in check, but the resulting hardware/software upgrade treadmill is horrible for the customer - fall off it and you're completely on your own.

All those games will be running through an Intel->Arm compatibility layer. To be fair it's actually in my experience a solid conversion in that everything generally works without you having to realize what's happening.. but lag and wierd game behaviour don't surprise me.

Imagine admitting you chose to have your corporation in California.

Peak Cali energy right there...

They don't really want to print made in China on the box so the closest thing to "Made in USA" is that.

Yep designed in California put together by sweat shop kids just like Nike.

@@iHaveTheDocuments fr

No hoop jumping required my friend...just your hard-earned cash and a monthly subscription

@@andysimkin5200 wait seriously, that's gotta be the worst apple scam I've heard of so far🤣

The issue is no Vulkan support. Proton works fine on Linux because either the game uses Vulkan and Proton just translates Win-calls to Linux-calls or it uses DXVK which does what you think (DX12->Vulkan) So now we need a special Mac-Proton under the X86->M2 to translate both DX12 and Vulkan to Metal--apple's special sauce graphics API. So two or three conversions add up.

@@stephen1r2 dang that sounds like a pain

@@stephen1r2 MoltenVK translates Vulkan to Metal. You can actually run many modern games with it at decent performance.

Mobile gaming on iPhones and ipad is just amazing its only the MacBooks that poop when playing games.

I worked in a big office and one of the execs begged for a MacBook. I told him it isn't going to work for "work" (we were all Microsoft) but try your luck getting one... He got one, it was a pain in the ass and nothing worked properly, it just sat in his desk for years. Waste of $3k. You gotta be in the ecosystem.

People praise the macbook pro keyboard but oh god when i tried it it just felt gross to me. I don’t know what it was but it sure didn’t mesh well with me

Apple lacks support for many things thus they suvk for mostly everything apart from editing

@@ShockingPikachu did you try the butterfly keyboard?

It might be a years old design but that's no excuse for it to be shit at CS:GO and DOTA

@@SyntaxTurtle what do you expect though? The base M2 is not supposed to be a GPU powerhouse. It’s like a fancy iGPU, and you need more than 8GB in general for games.

And I don't own any apple stuff for myself so I'm actually deathly curious what the inside of a new MacBook box smells like now. THAAAAAAANKS

Sony is already doing that though. $70 games STILL have Season Passes and online play is via their premium services that slowly creep up in price with each new generation or business model change. Microsoft has been doing the same and is making a walled garden of their own. $100 are on the horizon and many are realistically that much already.

Now try to build a laptop.

and the m1 is still overpriced... Like saying acting like $850 is a good price for out of date hardware lol

Or...... Just buy a PC

@@Joze1090 If apple decided to make a fancy car, Do you think it will have windows?

@@davidwithey6036 lol m1 air is an excellent device for its portability, price and performance. It outperforms pc’s that are priced much higher than itself even today and its battery life is unbeatable. So im sorry, your words of “outdated hardware” is pretty outdated. The thing is future proof for atleast a few years if you dont want to game on it or something. $850 is a good price for what you get.

So you bought the wrong computer and it's Apple's fault?

Yeah The last few Intel Macs (MacBook Pro 16", 5K iMac) were really good gaming computers without external GPUs. Granted they were insanely expensive, but if you were buying them for work, you could also play games really well without having to buy a separate Gaming PC/Laptop. And even if you had an older MacBook Pro with a quad-core CPU, you could connect a powerful eGPU to boost gaming performance to high-end PC levels.

”aromatic Heisenberg dust“ just sounds like pulverised crystal meth.

They say designed in cali so they can deflect away from the fact that they farm out the labour to people/children that have to suffer crap wages and poor job security and still charge "Made in the USA" prices.

Don't forget needing to be replaced in a years time.

Yeah nah that’s where I draw the line, I have every apple product but that just seems like a cuck moment if you buy it