Apple Versus the Department of Justice 

More like “Dear Apple, I hope this lawsuit finds you well before I find you.”

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I see a lot to lose. Apple could be closer to be just another smartphone company instead of being Apple as we know it

it's called CAPITALISM. Make the best product and let the market (people) decide.

I'm a samsung user. I would like to try an apple watch on my phone. What scares me is that, if I want to go to apple, I can't transfer game data ect.

Capitalism requires functional markets, it requires competition. And therefor it requires antitrust regulations. And Apple is running afoul of this antitrust legislation. You are defending Apple's right to create a product as they envision it. But Apple is killing lots and lots of potential innovation from other companies by being a gatekeeper and keeping anything that could potentially compete with their products, off the market. And you, as a consumer lose out, along with those (potential) companies.

@@voodoodiscoThats idealism, in the real world capitalism a company wins and creates a monopoly that prevents further competition.

Because we all watch it

Every minute of it 😃

Indeed there gonna release a podcast as a clip of there podcast waveform is turning into wan show a 4 hour endeavor

Let it play and wash some dishes

​@@jmtradbr Ha! This is the way!

Sure, but google watches work better on certain phones and not on others to the point they just tend to disconnect from time to time, making them a hassle. Samsung watches have way more features if you pair them with other Samsung-phones. There's just way less variables if you stay within 1 ecosystem, be it Samsung or Apple, which makes different appliances work way better together.

@@DobuDobuDobuDot he isnt gonna reply lmfao just another coward with no clue what they are talking about

Yeah it seems most people, (Including tech influencers) does not know how antitrust and monopolies work

it sounds like you don’t either 😂

@@supitschillbro Oooo it does, can't wait to hear this :)

First time I've ever felt like mkbhd has no idea what he's talking about tbh. "they only care because of their market share".....yes....thats sort of obvious by the lawsuit itself. In other news, man is only charged with murder because the other guy isnt alive.

Ya, Marquise is the biggest apple fanboy. He used to be very subtle with it. But now very open about it

Well, if you are in the group that enjoy Apple product and services you would be afraid of losing the very things on it that you enjoy.

​@@manart6506So the thing you enjoy about apple products is the fact that have less freedom to do what you want? And here I thought it was their actual products people liked.

@@SuperSviki I don’t know who said that. I didn’t. There is a lot… resumed as “the ecosystem” but it is a lot of things, the build quality, how the software works, the pleasing design in every thing. Exclusive apps. Services like AppleTV+.

@@manart6506 if you stop dik riding apple, you would have more features and more competetion.

Part of something bigger, a part of a long podcast episode for example.

​@@po1ntuit's a rhetorical question 😂 because it's almost 40mins long

@@emmanuelomolaju7797 They did like 4 or 5 or so topics, More of a "segment" than a clip I suppose

​@@Riley_ChristianActually a "clip" is an uninterrupted piece of video taken from a longer video. The moment you split it a 4-hour video into two 2-hour videos you've got two 2-hour clips. 😅

@@ROVideos yea I don't disagree with that at all, I more so meant to elaborate. It just has all the context that "clips" often lack

"I still think Microsoft Phone OS was really good, but you couldn't get a reviewer to endorse it because it didn't work well with their Macbook Pros." sounds more like your opinion. if not, post links with factual data.

The Microsoft phone shouldn’t work well on Windows?

What's the other eye doing?

@@DobuDobuDobuDot 🤣🤣🤣 eyes, I gave two bruh.

Microsoft was a true monopoly with 93% of the market in the late 1990s. Apple is not even close to being a monopoly with 20% of world smartphone market. To be considered a monopoly a company must have upwards 90% market share, otherwise they are just a competitive company. To the extent the government continues to use the nonsense logic that Apple is a monopoly, the will lose this case. This battle was already fought in the Epic case, and Apple won easily.

Which they still do by making Edge Default after Updates, Making it hard to switch others to be Default (Firefox, Chrome, Brave etc etc!), Messages saying Chrome is less Secure, Less Fast, More Resource Heavy etc etc

I believe they made ir possible to uninstall due to something the EU complained about... May be wrong?

@@DarthAwar But it's not the same anymore. Back then we're still talking about dial-up being the main access to the internet. Meaning it would take you like 3 hours to download Netscape or whatever. Microsoft knew that having THEIR browser pre-installed was a SERIOUS advantage over the competitors. Why even bother with competitors when it'd take so much time when you have this other option already? Especially with Windows purposely making other things run worse. Quicktime was a gawdamn JOKE on PC. I remember trying to watch the Star Wars Phantom Menace trailer. Spent like 5 hours downloading the HQ version and discovering it to be like this tiny 3inx3in box with a pixelated mess....even for the sorry CRT monitors back then it was a horrible mess. Only to find out that's because Microsoft WANTED it that way.

@@DarthAwarI mean yes, but them saying less fast and more resource heavy, while hostile, can’t be sued over, because it’s true, I use chrome, mostly because I’m used to it, but Microsoft edge does hold a heavy advantage in speed and resource management

The App Store fees are lower or as low as any online software store and substantially lower that physical stores. No law is being broken, the government will lose. Also, give an example of "walled garden for accessories"?

​@@bruxi78230they gave an example on the Show, in one of the Fitbit or Garmin watches, you either allow all the notifications or none. Whereas on the apple watch, you can cherry pick which app can send notifications.

@Ravi people tend to choose Apple products because, inside the ecosystem, apple products tend to work better because it's harder for outsiders to get in.

@@bruxi78230Walled Garden for Accessories™ refers to how once you’re in the Apple ecosystem you won’t buy a Tile, Logitech Crayon, or Samsung Galaxy Watch because Apple purposely gimps their performance compared to their own products.

@@bruxi78230 The Garmin watch, they stated it's either all notifications or none, as opposed to the apple watch where you can choose which ones can send you notifications.

You can use any mouse you like. you can use any trackpad you like. good luck finding a trackpad as flawless as the Apple trackpad tho. Why does Apple have to let other trackpads access all the swiping features? How's that competition at that point?

​@@voodoodiscoThey don't have too, but as it's proving once big big enough they do. I guess by the logic though you can use any tyres on your car, even the most high performance, but then again unless you buy the OEM from the manufacturer why should you get the performance from you tyres on what's apparently your car. Yeah that's been competitive 🤦‍♂️

Well that’s just smart business. It is to make a better experience for those who want it… but it isn’t something that’s needed. And if we come back to the old complaint that Apple is too expensive then that just a reason to choose something else… and many people do that.

@@Spoonfed78 it sounds something that do happens with cars… and yeah many people just get the less expensive tires.

​@@voodoodiscoDo you hear yourself? That's like saying you can buy any wheels for your car but if you buy third party wheels you wont be able to make U Turns, or drift. This isn't innovation, this is crippling your competitors in a race in order to make you seem faster and better. Is that what you want from Apple?

I use nothing 2 or any Android phone in India with all credit and debit card with tap to pay in my phone without any wallet (I can use Google pay or my banks application or Cred any app which can use NFC hardware, bank needs to verify its you by automatically sim message once phone number and pin with card is verified they would send card NFC info to app and in phone you can choose which app is default payment app and you can also choose everytime required fingerprint for tap to pay)

And Apple charges banks too.

Apple makes Designer Electronics and their former designer Jony Ive is famous, they are a luxury brand that has always put Form over Function like all luxury brands. Apple is the only smartphone manufacturer in the United States that has scale (Google is the only other) and because the smartphone market is hyper competitive the only way an American company can compete is to market it as a high end luxury cell phones and charge a premium to pay expensive American engineers in California. In reality the only winners if this antitrust lawsuit is successful is China.

yessir

Don't buy them then??? Nobody is forced to buy apple products I don't get this sentiment. I know that my phone does not have all the features of other phones, but that ecosystem, the ease of use, the data sharing and more are all positives for me that outweigh the performance or certain other features.

8gb ram 256gh harddrive

​@@bigmini2870 doesn't work like that buddy. Can't just say "don't buy it then." If that's what they said to Microsoft back then, Apple wouldn't be in business today. Competition is good for consumers. I know that concept is irritating to an apple fanboy

If Apple is doing something unfair the company should change behavior for sure. Though IMO it isn’t as broad as the lawsuit claims.

​@@CJ30123 iPhones & MBs have far too many software & hardware limitations to be useful. Great devices for normies though.

​@@CJ30123 What are you talking about!? It's a case about providing people with choice. Maybe I want the quality of an Apple watch but use an Android phone for some reason, why should I not get the same value of that watch even though I paid the same as someone with an iPhone? Is the Apple Watch an accessory or a device? If it's an accessory it needs to be labelled as such, marketed as such and informed as such but right now Apple don't.

@@Deathbunnygirl nothing stops Samsung from making a competent watch. Its not Apples fault they cant make better products. Grow up. The welfare generation rears its ugly head again.

@@CJ30123 This was a video about alleged monopolistic practices, not about Apple products. I'm also not overweight at all. You need to work on that brain of yours.

@@Deathbunnygirl "Apple Watch an accessory or a device?" -- it's an Apple product made to work with other Apple products and services. Made to set Apple apart from the competitors. Some call this 'capitalism' -- other cry about it.

He is. He tries to give criticism sometimes, but it comes off as if there's a gun to his head

hmmm but at one point he says "This is one of the ONLY ones where I kind of get apple's perspective" meaning he doe NOT agree most of the time...

@@carynnhildebrand2400 yea but he's so mild talking about everything else as if the other things are just slight inconveniences. Not even close to matching the type of energy and language in the lawsuit, as if the lawsuit is only suing apple for being a little bit annoying sometimes...

Everybody knows by now that he is very biased. He is the biggest apple fanboy. He tells his audience that his main smart phone is Android in order to mask that bias

actual mental illness and cope@@novadon4729

"took me months to find a way to transfer files between my Android devices and my MacBook Pro M3" -- LOL sounds like a you problem. nobody takes months to find that. ever. stop lying.

@@voodoodisco Well .. being I got my MacBook in December of last year and we are in April and I just came across Syncthing in the past week .. it would have been months. First I was using mostly Bluetooth (but it can be super slow) and would use wired some (with an additional program since MacOS doesn't support MTP natively .. then I finally found Syncthing and it not only does it wirelessly but also automatically. So yes .. months of searching.

@@pupmorningstar so the entire internet was hiding that from you for 'months' WOW

@@voodoodisco Syncthing is a bit obscure though. I didn't have a name only search queries. There's not a lot of software to share files between MacOS and Android. So yeah it took a little time searching and trying various things.

Apple shills for that apple money bay beeee

To be fair I never totally got the Microsoft lawsuit either… I watched people using other browsers.

last time i checked I can use any browser with iPhone. sooooo, not sure how that relates to MS LOCKING in their browser.

@@voodoodisco all browsers on iPhone are a skin on top of Safari. Chrome on iPhone is not real chrome, it's safari wearing chromes outfit. You've been fooled for years!

@@manart6506 others browsers were shit on windows because Microsoft didn't give them access to the same APIs that internet explorer had. Same thing with Quick time player as well, windows media player worked better.

whats your guess, I barely watch this podcast

I think you just made a case for Apple Antitrust. Google is open with their apps making it seamless to switch between iOS and Android. Now try to bring your iCloud photos to Android... There is your issue

I would imagine that the super app that catches people’s attention first would be THE ONE… people would just get used to it to change while it works.

most super apps are cross platform or are becoming cross platform

wrong! that's anti-capitalism. and that's big government telling a company how to operate.

@@voodoodisco I’m anti-capitalism and in favor of the government telling companies to operate for the benefit of the people instead of for themselves at the people’s expense. I know. What a crazy take to have. Keep defending a $2.62 trillion company though. I’m sure they’ll throw a few million your way eventually for your loyalty.

@@cadenza23 'kEeP deFeNdIng' how old are you? and sorry sweaty, you're advocating for socialism and government control of a company. ouch!

If google makes a smartwatch they now have to code a version to maximize the android operating system as well as the apple operating system. It's not as easy as just making it work, they need different teams.

​@@iitzhasheemGoogle is a mega corporation that makes a smartwatch. Let that be Google's headache. Smaller companies like Garmin already do that. If it means more choice and more genuine competition, then the ultimate winner is not Apple or Google but the consumer. Google has more than enough resources to manage two teams, especially when companies like Garmin already do it. Same goes for Apple. All of their limitations are artificial and it's good someone is finally going after the tech cos.

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in the us ....

They will still be "simple" if they allow developers more freedom, in fact that freedom could lead to unknown innovations and opportunity for it to become even more "simple". But you never know if we allow apple to unnecessarily heavily restrict development

Over here everyone uses Whatsapp… even if Telegram is better.

Here (in Holland), it's primarily WhatsApp, but around me I see Signal used a lot also. See, Americans, how there are multiple names there? This is called "competition", it's an essential part of "capitalism". You should try it.

not even close.

Definitely is.

More like he seems more imparcial than the rest.

It seems easy to do. Nothing stopping people of doing that… people complaining seems to want to be able to sit on a McDonalds and have Burger king in the menu, apparently.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing… so Microsoft and PlayStation should be forced to makes their own hardware compatible with the competition?

@@manart6506 yep! be careful what y'all talking about LOL

I think they should have said that apple should allow other third-party watches to have full access with iphones

I am ok with suing Apple here and there so some things can be reworked in favor of every user if truly there are problems… usb-c connection seems to have brought only good things… but I think many of the accusations in this lawsuit are far fetched.

That’s basically confirmed anyway

Will they implement encryption layer too though? . It's said only the base will be, which yet again more of Apple's claimed security hypocrisy.

@@Spoonfed78obviously there won’t be an encryption. How else will they claim to be more secure.

"preparing my departure by basically not using any Apple services anymore " buh-bye. thanks for the announcement. no one cares. BTW why is every clown obsessed with Apple differentiating their messaging services against others. It's called making a great product. Also WHATS APP is amazing. so I don't understand the salty tears.

yep. Samsung has a monopoly in the Samsung market LOL call the government!

@@rangerkayla8824 I don’t even get that. They could use WhatsApp or telegram for free with no issues but kids seem to just segregate themselves and be mean.

Their are different price points, and different models. Where is can be affordable.

I would think the solution would be using WhatsApp or Telegram… iMessage isn’t that much better if at all.

ring the alarm. it's a monopoly!

To further make the point clearer: at this point a great deal of android manifacturers has their own app store beside google play, also any watch is able to access the APIs inside android to implement their thing, which this way other products can be better than Google's because they can work with it, and not forcibly worse. Other than the fact that WearOS is open source (partially, being based on android which is fully open source. the WearOS "UI skin" you have to build it from zero if you want your own) even stuff not based onto WearOS probably can figure out how to make things work with android (like PineTime, though most smartwatches are WearOS based anyway) just by reading publicly available code. And what does now work are well with non-samsumg phones using non-samsumg watches are features that I don't even use (even having a Samsung phone) and their impact is negligible; Samsung-with-Samsung can sync toggles like do not disturb, sleep mode and has an additional dedicated very specific heart monitor app called Samsung Health Monitor. Also apple on top of that has market dominance

How is that?

If that's true, it's because 1. you don't have the freedom on iphones to just download another app like revanced. 2. RU-vid or any 3rd party app prices are way higher in iphones than android phones. RU-vid premium is $18.99 in an iphone.

@@rangerkayla8824 I'm 💯% with you on this. I just meant that in order to his words to be taken as a joke, there should be some kind of way to get the messages between Android and iPhones to work. But as things are by design currently, this "buy your mom an iPhone" comment is nothing but an FU to everyone from Tim Apple.

It isn’t that a limitation on old regular cellular messaging?… the thing is that iMessages communicates with other iPhones via that app using internet… the green bubbles is to send the text to other devices via the “normal” way text messages work. Yeah iMessage is an exclusive app for iPhones with the feature of sending old normal text messages via cellular network. They don’t do iMessage for Android and it’s their choice… and people could use apps like WhatsApp or Telegram for broader compatibility.

@@Jurtaani that way would be WhatsApp or Telegram IMO. The iMessage way is an experience Apple wants for Apple users (no even that popular in other countries)… so there is no intention of letting the Apple experience get to users but only through Apple devices and software, what’s makes sense to me.

@@manart6506 i'm not saying that this is wrong or anything. only issue that i see from this is how young teens are driven out from their groups unless they convert over to the "blue bobble" thankfully this stupid trend has not taken off outside of the USA, but it still is something easily fixed. but nope! lets rather promote this bs because it prints money.

you're advocating for the government to be granted a backdoor. shame on you. get a clue

Well, airdrop is a cool feature and make it that other phones can do that just makes the iPhone one less thing more appealing.

I didn’t get the Microsoft lawsuit ether. If they make impossible to use another navigator that would seem unfair to me but not that a default browser (made by the same company that the OS being used) seems normal to me… Google pays Apple to be the default search engine on iPhones, but that isn’t in the current lawsuit, that seems ok but to me it seems a bit unfair (just a bit).

It totally seems to be different to me.

I was thinking the same thing. How is it fair for a gov't to force a company to allow an app that makes that company's built-in services useless?

it works lol. With the samsung health app

this went over your head mate! I don't think you will understand.

I think he means that you can't use it anymore, as an Android user I really like apple's watch but unfortunately can't get it

I thought the same thing lol, but you know what he means

Yeah I thought the same thing. You just sell it to a guy with iPhone.

it's not an issue