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APRS - a fun & useful ham radio mode / rebuttal to a  

Joe Domaleski, KI4ASK
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In a recent video, Mike ‪@hamradiotube‬ made the claim that "APRS (is) the most worthless mode in ham radio". Really Mike? His description lead-in goes on to say, "APRS is touted as this life saving mode of communication". Who is touting that? Mike never tells us. K8MRD's channel is one of the more popular ham radio RU-vid channels and for good reason - he's funny, educational, and generally does a good job. I subscribe to Mike's channel and generally enjoy his content, but I feel the need to address his unsubstantiated assertions regarding APRS.
In this video, I'm going to tackle Mike's comments head-on and offer an alternative viewpoint. Contrary to Mike, I feel that APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) is a fun and useful amateur radio mode. I'm not aware of anyone who's made the claim it's a "life saving mode." Mike himself doesn't really backup his statements other than to say he's not used the mode that much and that you can't use it in areas where there's no coverage (duh). Nothing personal Mike, my feathers aren't ruffled but I am scratching my head wondering about the basis for your video. Regardless, we hope to see you at the Huntsville (AL) Hamfest again this August.
After addressing some of the his comments, I'll offer some of my own experiences with APRS and how I've used it over the past 20 years. One thing we can all agree on is that amateur (ham) radio is a big hobby with room enough for folks to pursue what they enjoy most. Share what you think in the comments below.
Fun & Useful Things You Can Do With APRS (presentation PDF)
kk4gq.org/pdf/...
Equipment shown - Kenwood TH-D74
73, Joe KI4ASK
PS - Unlike Mike, our channel is small. We don't monetize it, nor do we really promote it. We do it for fun. Consider subscribing, liking, following, commenting so that the algorithms might show our videos to more people. This video was shot on my iPhone (in my car) and edited using iMovie on my iPhone.

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@connorh5930
@connorh5930 Год назад
I was alone in a storm at the top of a mountain. My expedition got stuck in the snow and was sliding off the edge and stuck. using a baofeng and aprsdroid installed on my tablet, I made contact with a guy named Chuck. He was 5 miles north of me, Chuck and his friends spent just over 2 hours getting to me. APRS indeed did save me from a potential life or death situation as I did not have many provisions to last the next day it would have taken me to hike to the nearest civilization.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
That’s awesome Connor. APRSDroid is a great app, I use it myself. Thanks for sharing
@ruhnet
@ruhnet Год назад
Wow what a great story! 73s
@Jim1701X
@Jim1701X 27 дней назад
Is there an iOS equivalent?
@MrStanwyck
@MrStanwyck Год назад
That was a great rebuttal to what Mike said in his video. First, I want say that I’m a big fan of Mike and his channel. He’s a real asset to the ham radio community, but I thought his tone towards APRS was a little harsh. I can see his frustration with it since he mentioned his local area lacks digipeaters, and some of the places he activates at have no infrastructure to support APRS. I’m fortunate that I have coverage where I live and hike in NY. I love it. I just wish my Icom 705 would support it. What would be cool to see next is you and Mike doing a video together educating him and us on the awesome uses of APRS. I would like to learn more about it besides beaconing and sending text messages.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks for the kind remarks. Mike makes great videos, but the one about APRS needed a correction. Like you, I really wish Icom would put APRS in their radios - like the 705 and 52, instead of just DPRS. Would love to do a video with Mike, but he’s probably too popular to want to share his channel with me. Regarding other uses of APRS, I did post a link to a PDF of a presentation I did with some cool things you can do. Check it out and thanks again.
@HamRadioCrashCourse
@HamRadioCrashCourse Год назад
Good job!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks Josh. 73, KI4ASK
@albert7ii
@albert7ii Год назад
Joe, many thanks for the professional and civilised reply to Mike's video. You did that in a most courteous and decent way. Well done. I only use APRS for vehicle tracking and since the only Digipeater around me is 2000 ft up on a hill, no matterwhere I am my Yeasu FT3 reaches it with all of of it's 5 watts. Granted... I use a 3 ft Diamond antenna on the roof, but even 50 miles or more away from the repeater, it sees me and hears me. In the vehicle I always use Smart Beacon mode... makes it very straight fwd. All in all ? A handy mode which should be in every radio amateurs arsenal. Albert. EI7II.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks for the kind remarks and sharing. 73, KI4ASK
@Frank_K4FMH
@Frank_K4FMH Год назад
Hi Joe. Very classy rebuttal. Bear in mind: RU-vidrs who make their livelihood---totally in K8MRD's case as per his RU-vid comments---on a monetized RU-vid Channel have very different interests than those who do not and those who just watch and listen. Hyperbole and extremes, which K8MRD has done numerous times, generates clicks, likes and subscribers. Therefore more RU-vid revenue. This is one of those times, as was his attack on Dave Casler in the latter's critique of a DX Commander product. We all are ignorant about many aspects of the hobby. Recognizing our limits is important in order to show respect to other hams and their preferences, as the older Amateur Code of Conduct emphasizes. I've led the redevelopment of the APRS infrastructure in the Central MS area because it IS very useful in EmComm activities as well as everyday amateur radio communications. Asset tracking in EmComm and Public Service activities can be vital. But APRS is a "group activity" by technological design. In the Atlanta area, there is an ample set of digipeaters and iGates to make APRS use very worthwhile, as you stated in your video. I'm from Atlanta and lived there again for about three years after I was licensed at GT and was a long-time member of the Atlanta RC. Keep up the good work, Joe! 73 de K4FMH
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks for sharing Frank - yes, you’re right about the monetization of RU-vid and he was probably just generating clickbait. Your name sounds familiar. If you got licensed at GT, then you probably know Sherman Banks. Thanks for stopping by and for helping redevelop APRS in central MS. 73, Joe
@wassman27
@wassman27 Год назад
Personally i found interfacing a regular analog 2m mobile radio to a cpu with some software (direwolf for TNC and YAAC as the APRS client) opens the features of APRS in the better interface, plus you can run other client software like winlink express or pat winlink. As with anythng in our hobby it is something to experiment with and isnt for everyone, i personally enjoy interfacing computers with radios.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Yes, there are so many ways to enjoy this hobby. Agreed 100%
@aidd1938
@aidd1938 3 месяца назад
I totally agree with you, Joe. There are people out there that think only in survivalist terms, and if something is of no use to them, then they think it is worthless. - N9CM
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 3 месяца назад
Well put
@michaelpoczynek
@michaelpoczynek 8 месяцев назад
I have heard about APRS for MANY years and never really understood its purpose. I recently ordered a Yaesu FT-500, and I look forward to hearing more and doing some experimenting. Thanks for making this video. VY2MJ. 73.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 8 месяцев назад
I like to tell people it's like text messaging using ham radio and (optionally, augmented by the internet). Enjoy your new radio and APRS.
@arupian666
@arupian666 2 месяца назад
I agree. APRS isn't the "most worthless" mode in radio. FT8 is. Followed closely by APRS
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 2 месяца назад
FT8 isn’t my favorite mode either but it is fascinating for weak signal work and many people enjoy it
@garyclark4930
@garyclark4930 Год назад
I agree with you Joe. I use a Kenwood TM D710GA in my truck and a Kenwood TH-D72A. When traveling I Becon my listening frequency. The handheld has been useful during biking events and parades . Satellite operation through the ISS is fun. I like my set up. Kenwood has a nice Indepth presentation on APRS. Thanks for the rebuttal. Have a great day. 73 KF6EWO
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yeah APRS via ISS is a lot of fun. 73
@josegregoriogonzalez874
@josegregoriogonzalez874 Год назад
Well done. I think Bob Bruninga was a genius that gave a lot to us HAM operators of the planet.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Absolutely Jose, 100%. Before he died, I got to participate on a Zoom call where he talked about APRS.
@diegocasati
@diegocasati 10 месяцев назад
APRS is a very utilitarian solution in Amateur radio. I look at it as ways to augment my current comms, specifically in the situation that you described about your cellphone dying. You can augment APRS by using or programming your own MPAD.
@Siskiyous6
@Siskiyous6 Год назад
I like Mike's YT channel,. I also really enjoy APRS, and the Garmin implementation in GMRS. I do APRS on JS8Call - HF, which really works well. I keep my station on and iGate 20M during the day and 40M at night. Tomorrow my new ATAS-120A antenna will show up, and I plan to do more mobile APRS. I am disappointed SMSGATE is no longer available, but I will get up to speed on the alternate ways to send texts into the phone system. It really is a capability that is due for a Renaissance, The new SDR radiosshould make it easier.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
I've never tried APRS via JS8Call - sounds like something I should check out.
@daveschwarz5279
@daveschwarz5279 Год назад
With Kenwood and Yaesu aprs radios you can send out a emergency beacon message alerting people of your location, both radios have a special preset button, but make sure your off frequency before you try it. I think APRS and AX.25 packet radios like the TNC BBS NODES are coming back in fashion it’s surprising how much traffic you can here.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Yes, the gear has gotten so much better. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@daveschwarz5279
@daveschwarz5279 Год назад
I find it amazing the RU-vidr doesn't understand how APRS or radios work? Surely in out of 2m APRS range you would just send HF position reports via Winlink or HF APRS .... KM6LYW explains this perfectly ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7A3t12HlgVA.html...
@StealthGTI
@StealthGTI Год назад
Ironic that an FT8 fan says APRS is the most useless mode. 😉
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Indeed, I’ve tried FT8 and think it’s cool how far it can reach in noisy conditions but watching a computer screen isn’t my jam - but I don’t think it’s a worthless mode.
@StealthGTI
@StealthGTI Год назад
@@KI4ASK - I agree with your post. I've tried it, but it's not my thing.
@ValenteEspinosa
@ValenteEspinosa Год назад
Thank you for dissipating the FUD that other youtuber spread regarding APRS.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Yes! Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Thanks for stopping by.
@flinfaraday1821
@flinfaraday1821 25 дней назад
Hi, I am looking for a solution that would allow me to track in real time a number of people each carrying some sort of device (GPS/APRS tracker), from a central base station (radio/laptop) which is situated on top of a hill. Area on and around the hill to be covered. It has to be STANDALONE (NO INTERNET or CELL TOWERS). Any ideas? Could APRS with a digipeater be a possible solution to this where no internet is available? Thank you!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 25 дней назад
Yes, that's exactly how APRS works. If you already have a digitpeater in the area, you can use that. If not, you can setup one of your own. Some radios, like the new Kenwood D75 can be put into digipeater mode. If the base station and portable stations are in simplex range, you don't need a digitpeater at all!
@flinfaraday1821
@flinfaraday1821 25 дней назад
@@KI4ASK Thank you.
@AA0Z
@AA0Z Год назад
Great rebuttal. I love APRS and it's a great mode.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Agreed. Thanks Kyle
@WR3ND
@WR3ND 10 месяцев назад
I can't be bothered much with APRS myself, but I enjoyed the video all the same and think you did a good job sharing your perspective. I'll give it another look sooner or later. Thanks. 👍
@johnk8091
@johnk8091 Год назад
I also love Mikes channel - it's one of my favourites, and I think he is a massive asset to our hobby. I too, was a bit disappointed by his APRS video, but it was his opinion. I saw Mike at the Orlando Hamcation after my 36 hour flight from East Africa to attend the show, but sorry I never got the chance to talk to him - he is a great guy and I love his enthusiasm.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
I agree and I know some of those guys make bold statements and videos like that to get views. I’ve met him in Huntsville a few years ago and he was still trying to grow his channel. Ironically, Mike was beaconing APRS at Hamvention - so actions definitely speak louder than words!
@dougsbrat
@dougsbrat 11 месяцев назад
@@KI4ASK I agree, I use to watch him. if that was his real attitude and felt that strongly to "poo poo" on any mode, he just lost respect. if it was a "click bait" attempt.. he got my view and got a UNsub and thumb down
@va6gkthaskey311
@va6gkthaskey311 Год назад
Thank you for the video, very tastefully done!! I like mike as well, but he needs to slow down and actually investigate and get to know things before making videos like that. It really doesn't do his or anyone's reputation well when they jump to conclusions in favor or not. Take time research and test, one attempt randomly isnt near enough to form an opinion. As well in an emergency not that id rely solely on it of course. But if friends know you are using aprs even if there isnt a repeater. Once they get close enough, which to be fair is quite a distance. They can get your location and track you. As well ive been in situations where yes i got a cell signal but they could only get a ball park idea where i was. With my radio i was able to actually give my location. This time i was driving when i saw an accident. So i stopped to help them. Decided it was above me so i called for help. So with proper preparation it can be a useful tool in an emergency. To assist your other emergency equipment. More tools you have the better 🤷‍♂️ Ps just found you today and have followed you now. Cheers 🍻 73 VA6GKT
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Agreed. Thanks for the follow. Yeah, we used APRS at the Publix Atlanta Marathon this spring and it worked great - very useful to have real-time position tracking.
@va6gkthaskey311
@va6gkthaskey311 Год назад
@@KI4ASK we use it for pretty much all our events. One specifically is in the mountains on access roads. The gps comes in handy to know you are posted in the right position as well the coordinator can keep track.
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 10 месяцев назад
It's good to hear a well thought out and balanced counter argument, succinctly put. Here in the England hams are linking up to form what they hope will become a national network. It is making progress and is possible partly due to England being a much smaller country than the US.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 10 месяцев назад
It’s great to hear that. APRS is a fun and useful digital mode. 73, KI4ASK
@davidfogel4578
@davidfogel4578 6 месяцев назад
Hello Joe, the video was very informative. I have a Kenwood TH-D74 that I have not used much for APRS. After watching your video I am going to revisit the APRS mode. -KE6EX
@jimlynch9390
@jimlynch9390 Год назад
Hi, Joe, Great video. On point and instructive. I don't follow Dave and wasn't aware of his channel.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Hey Jim, thanks buddy. 73
@derekvargason
@derekvargason Год назад
I would have to agree with mike on this topic, I have nothing against aprs but his point is that it’s not some perfect emergency communication from what I remember. You need to look at the bigger picture and see that not everyone has access to digipeaters, as far as I know where I live there is only one, and being in Alaska that doesn’t add up to a whole lot. And if you can hit it you are in civilization anyways
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Derek, thanks for your comments. Not sure you saw the same video as I did. I actually took notes from Mike's video before drafting a response. His primary assertion that "APRS is the most worthless mode" is pretty bold and totally unsupported by the video. Had he said, "APRS is only effective if you're near a digipeater" then that would've been a true statement. Twice in the video he made vague statements about how APRS is overpromoted as a "life saving" emergency communications method - but he failed to support that assertion or identify who has made those claims. He made the classic vague "they" statement. Who is "they"? My counter to that is that I've been in emergency communications for over 20 years (ARES / AUXC / COML) and I've never heard that. APRS is merely a tool one can use just like other tools, it's no better or worse than anything else given the proper conditions. Most emergency communications is digital these days - LMRS and Satellite. Ham radio, at best, is an auxiliary method. A lack of digipeater support in a particular area doesn't mean the mode is worthless for everyone. He could have also refined the title by saying "APRS is worthless for me and here's why". He didn't do that, he attacked the mode itself. I get it that Mike is trying to drum up views by making a bold, emotional statement. It's a great hobby, room enough for everyone to do their thing.
@Steven_VE9SY
@Steven_VE9SY Год назад
I found since he went full time on RU-vid he's gotten a big head. Insulting any one with a differing opinion. He is more of a Radioddity commercial. I have seen him belittle people and anything he is not interested in is worthless. I made a comment saying he really didn't need to be so ignorant and insulting towards his subscribers, and I was told to F off. So I did. I don't watch any live feeds that include him any more as I just do not believe he has anything worthwhile to me to listen to. But I am now sub'd to you now that I've seen this!!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks for the feedback. I’ve only met Mike in person once, so I don’t have an opinion about him personally. I have enjoyed many of his videos, but the APRS one was strange - not well reasoned and awkward in delivery. I understand from others that videos like the one he did is a tactic employed by many RU-vidrs to garner views - assert a strong opinion with a catchy title, regardless of the actual content. Not all of the YT bunch are that way, but many are. I don’t do this for the money or followers, as my low numbers show. For me, it’s just a hobby and it’s fun to share bits and tips - whether one person views or a few hundred. I’ve even gotten a few comments on this video back via APRS, which is pretty cool. Thanks and 73, Joe KI4ASK
@Steven_VE9SY
@Steven_VE9SY Год назад
@@KI4ASK He's done other videos like this. He had a pre=production Zuegu 106 that he just slammed. No call to the supplier about the issues. Another RU-vidr had issues with his and told Mike to try and call them first then look at it. Pre Production usually means full of bugs. Mike was pretty nasty with him. So when I had asked if he called the that;s when got my um reply. I just said good luck with your channel and hit unsib. Basically you were to tell me you did not want my subscription, I won;t be able to hit the unsubscribe button fast enough. But I like to support as many hams as I can on you tube. I know it's a tough thing to get your channel profitable and if my like and subscribe helps I'm there. I do have a few that I sub of patreon, but that money in tight, anfdonly the best get it..
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
@@Steven_VE9SY thanks for sharing. I’m really glad you’re here.
@eugenecbell
@eugenecbell Год назад
Ok, lm more interested in APRS now. But the question becomes, what is the most worthless mode in Ham Radio?
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Ha ha, I guess it's a matter of perspective. APRS was never worthless, even to Mike. His video was clickbait. He uses APRS all the time as evidenced by his APRS beacons on the network.
@eugenecbell
@eugenecbell Год назад
@@KI4ASK yes, but still there must be a most worthless aspect of Amateur radio. I’m looking for candidates, but I can’t think of any, that don’t have their supporters.
@paulgarcia1566
@paulgarcia1566 Год назад
No digipeaters in my area. No APRS joy.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Sorry to hear that. Although it's not necessarily radio, you can still use APRS-IS using the aprs.fi website and/or the APRSDroid app (Android) and APRS.FI app (iOS). It'll give you a taste of how it works.
@paulgarcia1566
@paulgarcia1566 Год назад
@@KI4ASK will give that a try
@Overlanding4Fun
@Overlanding4Fun Год назад
Aw SNAP.
@taylor7668US
@taylor7668US 3 месяца назад
Is is easier to just give the person on the callings frequency your longitude and latitude how can you guarantee it making it to the internet in the middle or no where
@daab25
@daab25 Год назад
Thanks Joe !!!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks for watching Bobby and 73, KI4ASK
@travnewmatic
@travnewmatic 6 месяцев назад
LoRa APRS has consumed me
@n5yiz
@n5yiz Год назад
👍
@tooloperator9799
@tooloperator9799 10 месяцев назад
If you kids can't get along, maybe you should go your separate ways. Very condescending tone.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 10 месяцев назад
Ha, Mike is a great guy. We're poking fun at each other -> ru-vid.comEikrv802bAc?si=Ixec0yPvGlvnaBl9
@dancosminmarza2974
@dancosminmarza2974 Год назад
hi aprs is weru usfle and haz a lot of god points the problem is relays radio wit aprs is not so usfle by ist self you need central hub a rely preferaby above 20 w and internet and other stuff
@daveengstrom9250
@daveengstrom9250 4 месяца назад
Why crap on another Ham? Just give your opinion and leave others out of it.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 4 месяца назад
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@jays5864
@jays5864 9 месяцев назад
I’ve sent text messages to people through the ISS to an SMSGTE gateway. Fun but also useful. 73 Wa1jay
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, too bad the APRS digipeater on the ISS is offline right now. Lots of fun working that digi.
@thomasjehn4529
@thomasjehn4529 Год назад
I'm interested in seeing APRS features and examples. Thanks for the video Joe.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Here's a presentation I did for a local club that has some examples - kk4gq.org/pdf/FCARC-March-2022-Fun-and-Interesting-Things-with-APRS-webcopy.pdf
@thuff3207
@thuff3207 Год назад
Joe thank you for sharing your experience with APRS. I personally have used APRS for bike and running events to track the sag and rest stops. The APRS messaging can be very helpful for these events. I also build digipeaters and have for 9 years. We use these for the 100mil bike events to have sag tracking. A very useful mode.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
That's awesome! Yes, APRS is very effective for sporting events where position tracking is needed. We recently used it to support the Publix Atlanta Marathon. Thanks and 73
@lgcacher9205
@lgcacher9205 Год назад
I like to see more people use aprs and there vhf ham radio
@potaactivator
@potaactivator 6 месяцев назад
Joe, what I appreciate most about this video is your irenic attitude towards Mike. This hobby does not require all of us to agree. However, how we say things is just as important as what we say. Mike is a credit to the hobby, as are you. There is plenty of room for different perspectives. In fact, that's how we learn best. 73!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 6 месяцев назад
Mike & I have had fun poking at each other. Did you see this one - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Eikrv802bAc.htmlsi=136nPPFZIqkcZA2q
@potaactivator
@potaactivator 6 месяцев назад
Ha!@@KI4ASK
@walteredwards544
@walteredwards544 Год назад
I enjoy APRS but I have a long way to go to fully learn and utilize all it's benifits and uses. I think Mike made that video just to get people rilled up and making comments on his page . I'm hoping to make a APRS contact with the ISS soon so I'll be slowly prepping myself to that purpose. To me , APRS is just like most other digital modes. You can probably get your message out farther than you can just using voice. Thanks again for the rebuttal and enjoy your evening from KN4MXZ 73👍🏿💯
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
You’re absolutely right Walter. Yes, APRS via ISS is fun! Keep me posted. 73
@HamRadioPrep
@HamRadioPrep Год назад
This is an awesome video! Really good rebuttal and great to the point summary of all the awesome stuff you can do with APRS. Thanks for making this
@MikeN2MAK
@MikeN2MAK Год назад
I've only recently started using APRS after getting the Mobilinkd TNC4, but I'm enjoying learning about the mode and it's capabilities.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
There’s a lot you can do with it. Look for the PDF download in the video description. It’s a presentation I gave about some of the cool APRS commands out there
@che59v
@che59v Год назад
We won't stop anyone here from wasting his time and money, lol
@CriticalThinker-42
@CriticalThinker-42 10 месяцев назад
If APRS is your thing, go for it, and enjoy it. It still seems like a novelty gimmick to me. I'm sure it has some practical uses, some of the time, for some people. But I'm not going mountaineering in the snow. Nobody needs to track my movements 24/7, nor would I expect anyone to want to, that's just creepy. Plus there's much better ways to text than on a hand held... 73 mike
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 10 месяцев назад
It's not a novelty gimmick - it's just another way to enjoy our hobby if you're so inclined. Sounds like you're not inclined and that's fine. For the rest of us, it's a pretty cool mode.
@MitchCarroll
@MitchCarroll 5 месяцев назад
I saw the other video as well. It seems like his complaints about APRS are less about APRS, and more about VHF/UHF comm in general. I dont see the point in complaining that a low power radio on VHF won't reach stations that there's no line of sight to; its a bit like complaining that a crossbow is worthless for duck hunting.
@SheepdogPreparedness
@SheepdogPreparedness Год назад
I absolutely love APRS and have used it for more than 25 years. It has so many uses. Ham radio is such a great hobby, since there are things that can appeal to everyone, regardless of their interests. When I saw his video, I scrolled past. APRS is awesome!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Agreed, thanks for watching and commenting. What’s your callsign and I’ll look you up on APRS? I beacon as KI4ASK-7 via RF and KI4ASK-15 from APRS-IS
@oldpreach
@oldpreach Год назад
APRS is used world wide on ships location purposes. It's waaay more utilized over seas for real life purposes in the field. It's used for weather reporting, as well as many other things here. It's one of the more amazing things you can actually do with radio that actually useful and practical. They use it right down the street from me at Panola Mountain State Park by the staff there. APRS rules ! MRD ='s Mike Really Drools !
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Very cool, didn't know that about nautical usage but now that you mention it - I see lots of APRS traffic on the APRS.FI map out on the seas. Thanks for sharing. 73
@bradleyjohnson452
@bradleyjohnson452 Год назад
Great video with documented examples. K8MRD's video is click bait
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
I think you're right and folks jumping out in support of his video aren't really making any factually based commentary - just opinions.
@HamRadioCrusader
@HamRadioCrusader Год назад
Can I get an AMEN!! APRS is the FO-SHIZZLE!!
@ohenekojo2561
@ohenekojo2561 Год назад
Oh for goodness sake
@MyTube4Utoo
@MyTube4Utoo Год назад
I can't speak for others, but I _think_ a lot of people just don't understand exactly what APRS is/does, and many never bother to learn. Thanks for the video.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
True.
@jayrogers8255
@jayrogers8255 Год назад
I’ve been a ham for 27 years (44 y.o.), & I can’t figure out what it’s used for. I get packet radio, which I’ve done (nowhere near I want to do yet), but the *why* of APRS still baffles me.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
@@jayrogers8255 think of it as text messaging using radio. It is a form of packet radio. Why? Short messaging, position tracking, position beaconing, and weather data sharing. Because APRS is gated to the Internet you can also use it to request WX reports, send emails, send SMS, etc. I used it mostly for position tracking and beaconing. Let’s say I’m hiking up a mountain to do a SOTA activation. I can tell my friends to track my position on APRS so that they can watch my progress and know when I’m about to reach the summit. Lots of uses for APRS. On my QRZ page there’s a link to a presentation I made that you can download and see all the things you can do with it.
@jayrogers8255
@jayrogers8255 Год назад
@@KI4ASK thanks for your reply; I have brought up your PowerPoint presentation.
@a_ham_like_me
@a_ham_like_me Год назад
APRS is a valuable tool for our club ARES deployments during special events. For example, our club provides radio communication support for a bicycle riding event. We station operators along the route and coordinate services and safety for the riders. APRS allows our event coordinator to view all the station locations even when mobile.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Here in Atlanta APRS was used to track stations at the Publix Marathon. I ran the race and beaconed APRS as an embedded runner! Good stuff
@alvarogaitan2529
@alvarogaitan2529 9 месяцев назад
great job 73 from kb2uew
@Jim1701X
@Jim1701X 27 дней назад
The GPRS, just because it’s so widespread would be quite useful in Urban SHTF situations I would think.
@flinfaraday1821
@flinfaraday1821 25 дней назад
Does that not require cell towers to be operational?
@ivandubinsky1857
@ivandubinsky1857 Год назад
There are no "worthless" modes in ham radio. There are only modes that are more or less suited to your particular requirements. That's the great thing about being a ham radio operator...there is something for everybody.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
100% agreed!
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz 9 месяцев назад
I totally agree with you, but I'm sure Mike was being a troll for video ratings. Not my idea of having fun being a troll but I guess he likes to stir up controversy.😕
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 9 месяцев назад
He was, we talked about it at Huntsville. Now it's a running joke between us. He's got a great channel but I couldn't let the comment stand unchallenged. Thanks and 73, Joe
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz 9 месяцев назад
Okay, I didn't know that. I used to like Mike's videos, but he did a live stream a year ago while drunk and he was being a major Jerk, in my opinion. However, I saw others talk about his APRS video and said he was poking the bear as he knew that Josh really likes APRS. I think Mike has great talent and does good videos, but I have been turned off and usually skip his videos now. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I'll just avoid him in the future. I was planning to make it to Dayton as I have family in the US that I want to visit, but my health may not allow me to travel. If I do go, I would like to meet up with as many Ham's as I can while there. Thanks for your reply and info. Good of you to speak your mind and say it how you see it. 🍻🤠🇦🇺 73
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 9 месяцев назад
@@DonzLockz thanks and 73
@besmith00299
@besmith00299 9 месяцев назад
Looks like SMSGTE is down now. Sending messages from radio to phone. Tried on my Yaesu 200 and it was never sent. So I went to their website and on the main page it tells about it. I agree with you. Quite a loss with this advent.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK 9 месяцев назад
Apparently there's a new SMS gateway (I haven't tried it yet) daily.hamweekly.com/2023/11/new-aprs-sms-gateway-service/
@besmith00299
@besmith00299 9 месяцев назад
yes and just opt in and it works.@@KI4ASK
@enriquediaz7547
@enriquediaz7547 Год назад
I have the same thd74 but need to use APRS more. Thx!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
The TH-D74 is one of the best APRS radios out there. Lots of features on a fun mode.
@ChrisKD9YSW
@ChrisKD9YSW Год назад
Thanks for better and clear information. I am just getting into the hobby and have a background coming from being a first responder for 25 years. APRS interests me, but in Wisconsin there are not many digipeaters, and did not know about the satellites having the capability.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Welcome back! Is that a GMRS callsign I see with your username? I have a GMRS license too WRCL957. Thanks for watching
@ChrisKD9YSW
@ChrisKD9YSW Год назад
Yes it is and I am working towards my tech license soon.
@stevenpeterson8444
@stevenpeterson8444 Год назад
think i still agree with Mike. will just take the garmin inreach since it’s lighter, easier and more reliable.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
They’re not mutually exclusive. I have a Garmin as well. Mike made a vague, false assertion APRS was a useless mode. He probably should’ve clarified that and said APRS is useless unless there’s digipeater coverage and then I would’ve agreed.
@stevenpeterson8444
@stevenpeterson8444 Год назад
@@KI4ASK right but if digipeater coverage is unreliable and you have to bring the garmin regardless then it doesn’t make sense to carry both. especially on through hikes where weight matters a lot.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
@@stevenpeterson8444 As a former Army Infantry guy, I ALWAYS bring a radio - no matter what else I'm carrying. To me, it's essential gear along with the other "10 essentials". I do that now for fun (SOTA/POTA) and for backup. All else being equal, I try to bring one with APRS - but I know that digipeater coverage varies. Most of north Georgia (where I live) is covered. It's been my experience traveling out west (Colorado and Utah particularly) that coverage is excellent. There's a lot of places in South Georgia (which is flat) where there's no coverage. Even when there's no APRS, the GPS functions of most newer APRS radios are excellent. Yes, the Garmin InReach is also essential gear - so I don't think they're mutually exclusive. The weight of that and an HT is negligible, even on the longest of hikes (and I've done plenty). In fact, I've even done trail marathons running with an HT. 73
@stevenpeterson8444
@stevenpeterson8444 Год назад
@@KI4ASK fair enough. i’m happy to wear a seatbelt when I drive on the interstate, but you’ll never catch me wearing a five point harness, let alone a helmet.
@Supercazzola
@Supercazzola 10 месяцев назад
LOL. That guy who helped Clayton via satellite must be one cool cat!
@RookieLock
@RookieLock Год назад
So sad that SMSGTE is offline now :/ I hope they figure something out to get it back up and running
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Wow! I wasn't aware it was offline. Yes, a very useful gateway with APRS. Thanks for stopping by. 73, KI4ASK
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz 9 месяцев назад
Apparently, it will be coming back but with limited features. I understand that some idiots were abusing it, and official complaints were made. I don't know exact details, but a few youtubers mentioned that, and recently, too.
@RookieLock
@RookieLock 9 месяцев назад
Yeah thats what i heard too.. I hope the new one is still bi-directional..
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz 9 месяцев назад
@@RookieLock yes, my friend. Totally agree on that.🍻👍
@ralphnunn3
@ralphnunn3 Год назад
Interesting. I saw his video, too. I do see his point, however. For APRS to be as useful as he thinks it should be, there would probably need to be a lot more digipeaters. There are definitely some inconsistencies (at least in my experience) in how it operates, for example how a digipeater that's 20 miles away from my home doesn't pick me up in my neighborhood, while one 30 miles away OCCASIONALLY does. And, some radios work better than others at beaconing. But, considering that those who put up digipeaters do so at their own expense, it's all completely understandable. But, I also see your point. There are lots of ways that APRS CAN be useful - in all the ways that you mention in your video. I guess it all depends on perception. DE K7RLN
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Agreed, I think what caught my attention was his blanket statement that APRS was worthless. Had he qualified that with “worthless to me” or “worthless without digipeater coverage” then it would have been a more accurate statement. I have also noticed system inconsistencies and it’s not just the gear, but how people have it configured to handle hops. There’s a few APRS websites that talk about the nuances of digipeating and packet decay. Honestly, it’s no different than other ham radio modes and systems. Thanks for sharing. 73
@miker8379
@miker8379 Год назад
For me it’s not a texting mode at all and don’t know if that was available when APRS was born. For me it’s just a position reporting thing. And mode? I’ve never thought of it as a mode.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Yes Mike, they’ve really extended the APRS standard to more than just position reporting although that’s one of it’s core features
@TravelinHam
@TravelinHam Год назад
I subbed just to get you off the 666 subscriber number!
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Thanks!
@ClaytonGambrel
@ClaytonGambrel Год назад
Joe I still haven't played with it but your going to have to show me sometime. Kj4ysr 73s
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
kk4gq.org/pdf/FCARC-March-2022-Fun-and-Interesting-Things-with-APRS-webcopy.pdf
@mikemcdonald5147
@mikemcdonald5147 Год назад
i think you and mike need to do a cage match for an aprs belt LOL :)
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
He’s young and I’m old. Ha ha. When I was young and in the Army, I was more of a fighter (infantry actually)…now I’m just old. 73
@ohenekojo2561
@ohenekojo2561 Год назад
Thanks for the interesting show and tell with satellites. However to Mike’s defence, he’s right about the emergency comms claim. I’ve asked so many people about the benefits of the mode because I’m keen on expanding my knowledge of the hobby, and I’m almost always greeted with messages about emergency comms and no other use. You then went on to mention tracking and “the right tools for the job” well there are GPS trackers for that. It doesn’t seem like you gave him that much of a rebuttal.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
We can agree to disagree. Specifically, I rebutted his claims that 1. "APRS is the most worthless mode". That's a pretty bold claim, totally unsubstantiated by his video. He could have made a less bold claim about APRS being overrated and that could've passed muster. 2. "APRS is touted as some kind of life-saving mode". Who is touting that? He didn't say, neither did you. Not only have I been in ARES (including leadership) for the past 20 years, but also I have DHS/CISA Communications Unit training - I've never heard anyone tout APRS as a "life saving" or "emergency mode". It's simply a tool like any other. Yes, there are GPS trackers besides APRS just as there are land mobile radio systems other than ham radio. Finally, I rebutted his assessment of the mode because by his own admission "he's only used it a few times driving down the road" and "the area he lives in doesn't have digipeater coverage". That's like saying FM repeaters are worthless because there's not one near him. The only claims I’m making about APRS are stated in the title - that it’s “Fun & Useful”. I showed the satellite example (which is less than 10% of the total video time) for two reasons: I felt like a radio video should have some radio in it, not just a talking head AND because I thought others might see the use of APRS via ISS as fun. Honestly, I’m less passionate about my support of APRS as Mike is about his opposition to it.
@dennisjoiner3717
@dennisjoiner3717 Год назад
I gave up on APRS for an Emergency Mode. It just can't reach any distance and my Consumer Cellular service is spotty here. HF and NVIS is far more dependable. We have the same issue with VHF WinLink. It too can be spotty and inconsistant in portable situations. APRS is a cool mode in close to say St Louis MO were there IS coverage.
@KI4ASK
@KI4ASK Год назад
Yes I’m a big fan of NVIS for emcomm. Thanks for stopping by. 73
@DARTHDANSAN
@DARTHDANSAN Год назад
Garmin inreach mini satellite text messager is what you need for emergency and off grid communication. It works any where in world
@NorthernMontanaHomestead
@NorthernMontanaHomestead 4 месяца назад
TLDR: So... not suitable for emergencies. Exactly what he was saying.
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