Hey dude, haven't watched this video yet but just want to say thank you so much for making so much content on alternative fightstick parts. I'm pretty new to the whole taking fighting games seriously thing, and trying to figure out what the difference is between 303 and 309, Taeyoung and Myoungshin or any other stuff and why I'd even want to bother when JLFs and Sanwa buttons are everywhere is a nightmare. Seeing your videos actually talking about these parts and what they're like has really helped me figure out what I want to look into in the future. Much love, keep on with the good content!
I have a lot of buttons and lever at home, i haven’t had time to make a video due to my full time job, my last videos 3 months ago, yours is 2 months ago, juggling yt and work is def not easy
@@alexnostalgix Liked and subscribed for sure, I like that most Seimitsus are flat, and the Seimitsu PS-14-GN 30mm Screw Keikou Green is apparently slightly convex however I hear mixed things about the colour match to the Astro City green, My question is, Is it only the Keikou Green that is a colour Match to the Astro City Green? I'd always been told that the Regular Seimitsu or sanwa green was a match and the same for the pink?
appears the actual arcade cabs had neon buttons, whilst the home market sticks used regular non neon colours, answered my own question there, thanks for your vid very informative and even the Korean buttons
I watched this video yesterday, and recently purchased my first fightstick (Mayflash F500) and pulled the trigger on Sanwa upgrades for buttons and stick. Well, it came in the mail today and I immediately swapped everything out. Since I wasn't sure if my connections were correct (esp lever), I minimally connected everything and tested buttons / movement before firmly attaching connections and all screws. To my surprise in SC6, I was seeing strange inputs everyonce in a while. I stripped everything down and re-wired, importantly lowering the plastic tabs on the button connections this time. Still got "ghost" inputs, so I decided to lightly run my fingers over the buttons as a test. Lo and behold inputs started going *crazy*. It takes like *no* preassure to actuate (at least) these Sanwa buttons! So the very light actuation / missed input with Sanwa buttons is real! Gonna do a quarter test in game. EDIT: 6 quarters for a downward actuation, but the actuations I was encountering were due to brushing the side of my hand into the side of a button. That said, as I was testing I got distracted with practicing combos, and found that the issue went away while not focusing on the stick itself. It seems that, through playing, my right hand found a natural neutral position which seems to mitigate the mis-inputs. In summary, it *was me* just fucking sucking lol!
This is a little late but I just bought a mayflash 500 as well and I my friends were telling me to replace the buttons and joystick? What is the best with your recommendation?
That annoying metallic buzzing noise from the Happ concave buttons is made by the spring rattling against itself. Bend the end of the coil a bit so that it's no longer touching the rest of the spring and voila...no more buzz.
My personal preference are the American short stem concave by iL. But what I like to do is get a 50 or 75g cherry switch and remove the spring in the buttons. Making the overall force of activation lighter, travel time shorter, and more responsive. Best for me.
that's honestly the only way to go with iL's and Happs. The spring in those are kinda ridiculous and causes a long travel and stiff feel. Without the spring they are easily comparable to the Sanwa's and others.
Bro that grab whiff was totally not my fault. It's these Sanwa buttons. You feel that draft in here? Yeah that's all it takes to push these. Maybe you were breathing too hard, I don't know. All I know is that I only lost because of my fight stick.
Dude that houseplant in the corner is releasing too much oxygen I was going to win with a HP shoryu but that asshole plant hit LP instead. You put that houseplant there on purpose Knowing that would happen didn't you? This was a no contest and I'm telling everybody about your shady ass. What?...what are you? my name is not John..
God damn quality as always man, these vids will probably be a staple to reference people to for awhile, all the info is there without boring the audience. Great job.
My preferences, of the ones I've tried: Sanwa (especially clears) > iL > Hayabusa > Kuro (remember those?) > touching two wires together > Seimitsu. GamerFingers, I couldn't even get them in my case without a Hulk Smash. My first and only return to Focus Attack. Fun fact: Sanwa snap-ins with completely broken tabs will still fit and stay nicely in those old Mad Catz SE cases. And in my experience, it's only really the clears that break. I've managed to break them even with buttercade's button tool. I guess the tool still needs some finesse on the user's end.
*******I'm an idiot lol. When your swapping switches out of the 202's there is a little hole you can slip a thin screwdriver or something through the bottom to pop the mx switch out. I been doing it the whole time but for some reason slipped my mind when I was doing the video.*********
The best advice anyone can give for American style buttons like IL/Happ is to remove the springs from the buttons. From a Logical standpoint people think that the button only works with the spring in it and without the spring it won't work. This isn't true for IL/Happ. The Microswitch itself has a spring in it. Removing the Spring from the button is basically removing the middle man. The button will be far more responsive and easily comparable to any Sanwa, crown etc. I'd say take the springs out of those you tested in this video and re-test and there'll be a huge difference. This is an insider arcade secret! ssshhhh!
Yeah facts.... i have a friend that modded all is mas arcade stick buttons back in the day by removing the springs.. i guess thats why i had such an easy time adjusting to Japanese style buttons these days
TBH if you are looking at the GamerFingers, just get the Crown/Samducksa 202s instead. The selling point on both of them is the Cherry MX switches, but the Crowns are available from lots of outlets in a wider variety of colors.
The crown 202s with Cherry MX Blue switches are really up there for me because of the tactile click. I know when the button is activated and that's priceless in my book. (Small issue I found is the top plunger in about one in every 10 is incompatible with Cherry MX Blue switches. It won't fully return all the way up so it messes with the click.) Seimitsu screw in buttons are my second choice. I do blue with hot pink for any Astro City theme.
The other thing to mention about the 202's is that they prevent you from bottoming out the Cherry-MX switch, so you end up not getting the full throw of the switch. Using a switch with a lower actuation point than the Speed Silvers means that you have to damn near bottom out the button before getting an actuation.
Awesome video Alex! I've been patiently waiting for this one. My personal favorite is a toss up right now between Crown 202s, and GamerFinger buttons. Both are screw-ins with customizable switches, and both feel great to use. The Crown 202s are way more accessible at this point, since they're readily available, stocked frequently, and slightly cheaper. Unfortunately since GamerFinger is a smaller Taiwan based start-up, these buttons can be a real pain to get. My most recent order took almost a month to receive. That being said, the GF buttons feel amazing, and have an overall softer, quieter feel (I've been using Cherry MX blues with them). If you make a Button Round-up Part 2, I hope to see them in there.
My first arcade stick was the HORI Tekken 7 RAN N, and while I loved it, I didn't like the buttons. I ended up ordering Sanwa buttons and liked them. Really reminded me of the arcade back in the day. I change out my Sanwas often, switching up the colors. Only one tab broke on me but I ended up getting a couple of those removal tools and they work fine for me. I just ordered a bunch of buttons because like to change the colors/theme on both of my arcade sticks.
Cowns have gone from marginally better than Chinese knock offs, to the absolute best gear in such a small time. I've replaced every button I have with them, so three sticks and a hitbox. Edit: My boy out here with the trash pandas. I've never had an issue with the 40 odd 202s I've used.
@@Colair122 Hori RAP N, Nancon Daija, Blunderbuss. No problems at all, button changes are the easiest mod possible. Only thing you have to be careful with are the wires to your buttons, some have a tab you have to press before you can pull them out.
about the crown buttons if that happens instead buying an entire new set of buttons you can simply replace the keyboard switches with anything with a cherry profile.
I like my joystick to make noise. Never tried the screw in buttons... Might look into it. I own a hori hayabusa fighting edge. Can't wait to mod it. You just gained a sub.
Timestamps with the new RU-vid feature would make this video even better. I'm watching the video for the second time now to help me decide on buttons for my hitbox and it would help navigating it much more easy. Anyways, good video
6:29 Seimitsu PS-14-GN has a different microswitch than the smaller and lighter microswitch in the snap in Seimitsu models. If you want the classic Seimitsu resistance / feel you need to go with the PS-14-GN. The smaller Seimitsu ones are swappable with Sanwa buttons too if you want a little more resistance to Sanwas. And Sanwa microswitches also work on snap-in Seimitsus if you want to make them feel lighter.
I prefer the seimitsu buttons cause they have the super fast reset like hayabusas. I still want to check out gamer fingers and qanba gravity buttons. Hopefully there's a way for me to spring load those gravity buttons cause they look great.
After getting the IL and Suzo Happ branded parts, I found that Suzo Happ's concave buttons are taller than IL's concave buttons, Suzo Happ's happ competition joystick has a much softer spring than IL's. IL Joystick is very rigid and requires a lot of force, I intend to change the IL spring to see if it improves, because you need to exert a lot of force otherwise the movements won't come out like: qcf hcb etc etc. In the end I loved the happ competition joystick and I loved the IL concave buttons, it's the perfect retro combination I highly recommend. I would only be with IL if I switched to a softer spring. I have plans to try the Joystick taeyoung fanta , in order to build a smaller custom arcade, because in the American style you need to build a big box for the controller.
I make custom hitboxes and I used to buy crown untill I found out that half off the buttons would be faulty and the others will stop working in a few months. Don't buy these if you're a tournament player, if you move the connectors on the bottom it will give you imputs that shit sucks.
As someone who tries so hard in trying to replicate the default config of Japanese Tekken cabinets, it really sucks that screw-in Sanwas have a very limited color range given that I don't wanna use the snap-in ones due to its tabs having the tendency to break.
The Hori Arcade Pro N. (N stands for Noir layout) is a good arcade stick if you want to replicate Tekken cabinets because Tekken cabs are with a Noire layout (the Namco Noir Cabinet). The real cabs have a 6 button layout with the two last buttons blocked with button plugs. The Hori N. also has the right distance between buttons and the stick just like the real Noire cabinet. Vewlix layout is most common with the stick closer (although a wider vewlix layout exists too but isn't common)
@@akaiyui9300 The 4 buttons are also in slightly different positions than in other layouts and the distance to the stick like i mentioned. I just mentioned it if you want it to feel exactly the same as if you were playing a TK7 cabinet.
Thank you for the video. I have 4 cabs I'm restoring and I was curious about convex buttons vs the standard concave. I'm still unsure but this video help put some new options on the table.
yeah #$@% the snap in buttons lol. i've been looking into buttons for over a full strong week and hours on hours to make sure i make the right choice. i came across the CROWN brand in my final look around and i was really impress by the look. i seen the 202c MX which i choose as my choice and place them in my ADD TO CART list which i still have it there to purchase lol. but coming back to RU-vid and this recommended video and you gave your thoughts on all the brand and i was waiting to see if u gave the CROWN buttons a better rating and u did lol. good job on the review cousin. i'm gonna be customizing a SUPER NINTENDO arcde joystick from SHIKA-ARCADES. I'm telling you its gonna be stunni'
Okay nevermind just push down really hard I got it TuTb I was asking because I got Sanwa's IIDX button which had the microswitch system like the American ones did TuTb
Lmao @ the chair spin. Thank you SO MUCH. I had no fucking clue what was going on when I ordered “HAPP style” buttons and tried placing them in my BNB Gen. 2 fight stick. I feel like you’d make a great “how-to” on the BNB fight stick. Please fucking do this.
2:14 You can put an OBSF cap inside the clear body and then it doesn't rattle and it looks even better (to me at least) than the completely clear button.
Well, the Seimitsu snap-ins aren't too bad... And the metallic and transparent Sanwa buttons might also be available as screw-ins. And remember, all the nuts for Sanwa all must be secured at once due to the cog design.
Hey I’ve been wanting to replace my buttons on my Pantera(not evo) but after looking I think I need your expertise. What would you recommend for someone who wants screw in buttons that are loud (yes I like loud) feel great but aren’t sensitive to light touch (so I could possibly lightly rest my fingers on them without input errors) and that are compatible with my stick ?
Dude Your Videos R Amazing! i make youtube videos too and holy crap man i cant even imagine how much time u put into these videos! i literally just got into arcade sticks a few weeks ago and ive seen just about all your videos and all of them are on par with what a big company would produce to sell their products! cant wait to see what else u make! with everything ive learned, i currently have a Mayflash F500 body, sanwa JLF stick with a 4lb spring and oversized actuator, and as far as buttons i used this video and bought every single one haha, but i believe that i will buy a full set of crown 202's because those feel the best both in sound and feel but maybe ill put a spring in them to see how it feels! again keep these video coming man i cant wait for your channel to blow up! (also who tf dislikes this video?)
Godlike video my dude. I'm in love with how I/L concaves look, but I have NO idea if they'd fit in the stick I plan to buy (Qanba Obsidian). I also can't find much discussion on it. Do you happen to know the answer or nah?
Thank you for this round up video! Honestly I’ve been considering making a custom hitbox, and this button comparison really helps. I think I may go with the Seimetsu’s because of the versatility and actuation weight. Im finding with my smaller hands and fingers that pushing down a heavier button doesn’t actuate unless I purposely make an effort to press it. But I guess that’s the point? Not sure, but I know it can be a bit taxing on my hands just on a keyboard.
I know that in regards to the American style buttons (or at least the Industrias Lorenzos), Paradise Arcade shop sells a lighter 20-gram microswitch version. I'm curious if that would then place the actuation force closer to the Seimitsus or even the Sanwas. I suppose my curiosity is in whether the heft of the button weight comes from the cap itself or the microswitch the cap is pressing against.
