Archaeological Evidence For The Hopewell As The Nephites feat. Wayne May 

When I was a teenager we had a Navajo teen stay with us under the old LDS placement program. For about a year my father was trying to learn how to read and speak Hebrew. While he was practicing Hebrew one day, she happened to overhear him and got excited because she thought my Dad was trying to learn Navajo. He explained he was trying to learn Hebrew. She said "no that's Navajo". They then spent a couple of hours and found several Navajo words that were exactly the same as Hebrew.

I just absolutely love Wayne May, and this video was fascinating!! Thanks for having him as your guest. It’s so sad that LDS academia won’t even bother to listen to his findings, and they have refused to have him on LDS programs. Please bring Wayne May back. ❤🙏🏼

I could listen to Wayne and the others talk about this all day! Hope they know how much support they have. Keep going boys.

I have an “actual” archaeologist/paleontologist in my ward. He’s also an avowed socialist (not important but I shared anyway), we were talking the other day at my son’s activity day activity, and the origins of the Book of Mormon people came up somehow. We talked about Sorensen and Porter and the rest and the second that I mentioned I used to be 100% of the Meso-American mindset but now indifferent, but if asked I would say Hopewell, that was it. He lambasted me and other non-accredited archaeologists (like Wayne May and Meldrum and the rest) thinking they know more than the accredited ones. He roasted Heartland- Hopewell, Adena, etc. It was funny. I love this stuff. Thanks for sharing, Greg and Wayne. I honestly don’t even care anymore where it happened though, our western civilization is in decline, won’t exist much past 2030 and I just want to be able to feed my kids next year and not have to fight with them telling me they are trans or part of the rest of the gqblt-p cult.

Even before I heard about the Heartland theory, Meso-America has never felt right as a place where the Nephites lived and died. The more I look into it, the more Heartland makes sense. Some cannot accept that opinion, and that is ok. The Book of Mormon is the Word of God, no matter where it happened, and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

Greg is a HeartLEANER! Love it. Great interview. Good job keeping him focused too. I hope you will have him back for more.

Psalms 85:11. “Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.” 😇

I love Wayne May. I have read and studied A LOT on this subject and I find Wayne's arguments by far the most credible and convincing.

Finally about time you had him on. I appreciate what a good listener you are to your guests Graig. Looking forward to more please!

Greg, I gave you three thumbs up for this one!! 😁

When I read the Book of Mormon, I take the statement that their people spread from the sea east to the sea west and from the sea north to the sea south, I took that to mean the whole continent of the Americas. I also, as I read, concluded that the Lamanites were "invited" to live in the South America area and the Nephites in the North American area...So Mesoamerica would have had evidence of habitation...I imagine we will someday know all things, but for now, I am satisfied with my assumptions (or maybe the Spirit teaching me). I always took the Sidon river to be the Mississippi River. So I believer they started in North America and the Laminates were cast in South America, but I concur that the last big battle was around the Hill Cumorah where the records were buried, and again if I'm wrong, I will find out when all things are revealed to us. (Conclusively)

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, convert. I have been reading a lot on the Howell, Adena, and Jaradites. Along with the mounds in different places. I go along with you spot on. I asked a friend of mine who has been a member all her like, she would not acknowledge this or did not know what I was talking about. Thank you for this awesome talk. I am in your corner

My desr brother in christ. You are talking to one of my favorite people. Love Wayne May.

Wayne may, you certainly have a mission and you are fulfilling it so well. I love your books and your land of promise magazine.

Wayne is a legend. Really has some great stuff he has gathered.

For any who might discount Wayne as not a *real* archeologist let me mention that I am a qualified geophysicist yet that doesn’t automatically make me right. Facts stand on their own. In fact, if a professional’s career or funding is on the line - there may be real reason to be skeptical of their stance.

Man, ohh man! Is there ever a bunch of stuff in this video! Whoo boy! I've watched/listened to this 2x, back to back, and picked out more the 2nd time. This is all very convincing to me. Thank you!

I literally just read this today in my scriptures 🎉 thank you so much! They found a city that appeared to be destroyed . They said it was jaredites and they rebuilt and repaired in what was there!

The source about Joseph identifying the bones as Jaredite is found in MS 23660 on the church history catalog. The title is "Notes from Elizabeth Baum's diary."

Thank you for this! Im a Pentacostal evangelical believer from Finland and have never been in any contact with mormons or LDS church. However, I love the same Jesus as you and once had a strong spiritual experience that led me to this research path where Im now listening to guys like Wayne. The Lord told me one day as I was reading the book of Ezekiel this: "The vision of Ezekiel is about the USA". I heard it clear as day. I didnt undertand what it meant and kept praying about it and then the Spirit told me to get a copy of the book of Mormon and read it. I hope this encourages Wayne and others that you're on the right path and that the Lord can speak to a foreigner like me about the same thing you're saying. The house of Israel that Ezekiel prophesied to was truly in the USA!!! Blessings!

Love Wayne May and how he is helping people understand. God bless him.

Love watching Wayne May. Thank you for having him on.

This is very exciting about the language being similar between the Ojibwa (Ojibwe?) and Hebrew. I watched an interview recently with Chief Midegah of the Ojibwe, and he said there are writings that have been preserved by his people, handed down through the generations. He knows his people are of Israeli descent. Very intriguing. (on Book of Mormon Hartland)

I loved his comment, "I follow Joseph." Best source of Nephite culture information. I follow Joseph too. But it's my testimony through the Spirt that tells me the Book of Mormon is true.

Yay!! Love Wayne May! :) So happy you have him on the show. :) Been following his work since at least 2008/9) It’s a dream of mine to be able to afford to work with him some day. Thanks Greg!

I have a lot of respect for Wayne May. What’s really great is that there are more people now getting interested in all of this evidence (including myself). I started to do some research on the ancient history of the area where I live in the southeastern United States a few years ago. Little did I know that right around the corner from where I lived at the time, I would find artifacts and evidence of habitation, back in the woods, and I began researching more as information and Artifacts , started adding up. So now I am communicating with other people who are as equally enthusiastic and serious about pursuing knowledge in this area. It has been really great speaking with people by email or phone and exchange information and getting other peoples opinions and ideas as well as being able to get some help going around obstacles and barriers that as Wayne says, our placed in our way by academia, who are quite frankly protecting their own jobs, and doing their best to stand in the way of any kind of serious book of Mormon research. That’s just my opinion. So now that I have documented, one particular site, in between field walking I am now getting other people interested but of course still have to maintain the security and integrity of the location which is hard. Anyway, I love this, and I just find that my faith in the book of Mormon, truth is boosted by every new find , whether it is made by myself or someone else. As for all the people in Central and South America, who built all those fabulous pyramids and temples carved of stone, it is my opinion and speculation that they are descended from some of the descendants of the people of Jared that were not destroyed in the great battle. I agree with Wayne on that,. I do not think they were all killed, but I do think just like the people of Nephi many years later, as a nation they were destroyed.

Back in the 70s, my early morning seminary teacher, Bro. Spencer told us about his mission to upstate New York. He and his companion visited a farmhouse. The older couple weren't interested but offered them breakfast. After they ate, the farmer showed them several bushel baskets of arrow heads. Bro. Spencer asked him how many years it took to gather so many points. The man laughed and told him that they were from that Springs plowing. I was a bit skeptical 50 years ago, but now I wish I could have another conversation with him!!

Go on a Heartland tour with Rod Meldrum. It’s clear where the Book of Mormon took place. Was a MesoAmerica follower before!!

This is so interesting! I have heard Lehi landed somewhere in North Florida. The Appalachian mountains end around Appilaciacola. If Nephi went north he would come onto the Tennessee River which flows North. I hope you have Wayne Maye on again.

I know why it happens “the great divide.” Because “when they are learned they think they are wise.”

Excellent guest Wayne May. 27:15 location of "coptic out of egypt" seems correct when i look it up. 36:45. Wayne allows correction from Greg.

I absolutely love Davids excitement. He gets me so excited!! and it all makes perfect sense to me. Love these conversations. Its not that i need proof of the truthfullness of the BoM but its so exciting, so fullfilling to hear these findings of Gods people. ❤❤❤❤

Great podcast Greg. I’ve been a heart lander for ten years now.

West Virginia Institute of Technology in Montgomery West Virginia excavated an Adena settlement on the banks of the Kanawha River at the mouth of Armstrong Creek. As a child in the early 1960's, our family watched Dr. Robert McMichael (I think that was his name), an archaeologist, unearth a skeleton of a pregnant Native American woman. They worked there, excavating the settlement until they had no more funding. A housing development was eventually built on the site. It is named Adena Village, Mt. Carbon, Fayette Co., West Virginia

Thanks Greg! Love this and love the Bruce Porter talks too!

I’m a total Heartlander. Love Bro May.

Love how Wayne’s phone is just on full blast and he doesn’t even care lol

I nominate Wayne to speak in the next General Conference! He is absolutely right!

As I have been reading, contemplating, and praying about the Book of Mormon the question always comes up about the earthen mounds. The Nephites raised up earth to fortify against those trying to kill them or bring them into bondage. The earthen mounds are spoken of a lot in the Book of Mormon. I haven't heard of any evidence of this in the Meso American model. Please let me know if I am missing something. I just feel strongly about what Joseph Smith taught.

So thankful for the work of Mr May has been done. Saved my testimony. Meso model was really giving me issues. I finally found peace with what I learned about the heartland model.

In the end, it doesn't really matter where the events of the BOM took place but I find the Heartland model compelling. Thanks for a great interview!

Murdered/martyred, in Joseph's case, is there any difference, in my mind the greatest difference is that martyred is in the service of God

As a young girl in the 1960's I heard about the "Mound Builders" and was told their people were unknowable. In my heart, I knew they were special. When I joined the church in 1973 the Mesoamerican thought was main stream. Looking at those temples in central America, I just couldn't see them to be from the Book of Mormon. When I learned of the Homeland thought, and heard Wayne May's lecture, I was sold. I suppose in the end, we'll know the total truth. Thanks Greg for having Wayne on. Very interesting and satisfying.

Chief Midegah next? Loved this interview.

Hi Greg. Firstly, thank you, this was a great interview with Wayne, I recently discovered his channel and website. I'm an Egyptian convert living in Canada. My recollection is that Coptic was a derivative of Demotic Egyptian (the cursive writing derived from Heiratic script) but yes a significant portion of the vocab was borrowed from Greek which eventually replaced the Coptic language under Greek expansion. Interestingly, cursive Arabic has much similarity to the Demotic script. When I look at Demotic writing I see so many similarities to Arabic cursive writing.

Just finished listening to this episode while driving from Kentucky back home to Georgia when the Norris Dam was mentioned. Looked at GPS and it was only a couple minutes from us, so we took a quick detour and are now here at the dam checking it out. Super interesting place that looks like an ideal place to have a settlement prior to the flooding of the area behind the dam.

I realize and can appreciate the fact that some folks resonate more with a particular Book of Mormon geography and some with a different one. I see this as related to the fact that some resonate more with one particular theory with regards to the creation and flood accounts in the Bible, and some with another theory. At the 49:00 marker, Greg ends the discussion with the point that there is a great divide between the Heartland model proponents and the Mesoamerican model proponents. Greg asks Wayne why this divide is there. Wayne doesn't really answer the question fully but does demonstrate part of the reason for the divide, as I see it. He also demonstrates, as does Rod Meldrum, a definite talent for being persuasive and 'down to earth' in his convictions. The part of the reason for the divide that Wayne demonstrates is that the Heartland proponents are 100% convinced that Joseph Smith knew absolutely the actual locations of Book of Mormon events and cities, etc. They also seem to be 100% convinced that their theory is correct, based on the primary idea that Joseph Smith knew these locations. Science and physical evidences tend to take a back seat, and are interpreted in such a way as to fit that primary conviction that they have. The 2 anchor points they use as part of this 100% conviction are the Hill Cumorah New York location and the Zarahemla location as being just across the river from Nauvoo. They are possibly open to other models as long as they have the same 2 anchor points of NY Hill Cumorah and Zarahemla location as noted, since they are 100% convinced of these 2 anchor points. The Mesoamerican model proponents have an entirely different approach and methodology. They don't believe that Joseph Smith or any of the other early church laters knew these exact locations, but were only making assumptions based on the limited knowledge that they had from the text and other sources. They believe that Joseph Smith likely had visions of Book of Mormon peoples but that these didn't necessarily translate into knowing the exact locations where they lived. They see Joseph's statements about "Zelph" and the "plains of the Nephites" as being interpreted as not necessarily meaning that the actual Book of Mormon events happened in what is now the USA. They use the text itself as the primary source of data rather than past statements of cherry-picked church leaders, and also are friendly to, and supportive of, mainstream science and academia, using both as part of their methodology. They are not at all 100% convinced of their model and are open to other possibilities, as long as they use a similar methodology and research approach. This huge gap in basic research methodology is the reason for the great divide, as I see it. Another point is that Heartland folks are misinterpreting the Mesoamerican model when they claim that the Mesoamerican folks say there are 2 or more Cumorahs. We only believe in 1 Cumorah, and that it was the hill where Mormon deposited most of the ancient records, which we see as very unlikely to be the same hill in NY state where Moroni buried the plates that his father Mormon gave him. We believe there is ample evidence that the hill in NY state was assumed to be the Cumorah of the Book of Mormon by early church leaders, after which it became tradition. The only major problems I see with some of the Heartland model folks that worry me are these 2 things: - That they sometimes conflate their testimony of the Book of Mormon's veracity with their geographical model. I see this as a red flag and is often a major point of contention with the Mesoamerican model folks. If the 1st presidency comes out with a statement of direct revelation on this topic, I'll listen. But they haven't, and until that time when anyone else says that they have received such a 'revelation', it sets off warning bells to many of us. - When they insinuate that folks that don't believe in their model are somehow less faithful and are not 'following what the prophets have said'. That invokes a similar reaction as noted above. I see this quite often in their rhetoric, and it always rubs me the wrong way. Part of the problem is that it is conflating revelation and doctrine that is essential to our salvation with previous church leader statements on Book of Mormon geography which is not at all essential to our salvation. Also, given the fact that current church doctrine is neutrality on this subject tells me that we need to be careful about making such claims. Frankly, I am glad there are 2 different models, in much the same way that I'm glad there are different interpretations of the creation and flood accounts of the Bible, some more science-based and some more scriptural-literalist based. If there were only the scriptural-literalist and Heartland models available, I would probably have left the church years ago when I encountered scientific evidence that contradicts those types of models, since I am a very scientifically oriented person. I can also appreciate the fact that there are many who claim they would have left the church at some point, if all we had were the more scientifically based interpretations available, without the literalist approaches like the Heartland model and young earth creationism, etc. However, I do believe that the old ideas regarding a literalist interpretation of the creation and flood accounts, and young earth creationism in general will become obsolete. In the meantime though we need to be patient and understanding of others who believe differently than we do. I believe that eventually science and our religion will be in 100% agreement, but that may not happen until after Christ's return, or until we pass to the other side, whichever occurs first for us individually. Until then, we need to learn to be able to be patient and understanding of those who might lean more one direction or the other than ourselves. I firmly believe there is a happy medium between science and religion, and that those seeming contraries can be proven without abandoning one or the other. I try to place credence on both science and religion in such a way as to make them compatible without compromising one or the other.

The real Nephites were the friends we made along the way ❤

This connection I want to share for me is a game changer and highly supports the heartland model. It’s useful for us small timer regular guys, but even more for someone with influence. I hope both read or see this. The seas spoken of in the Book of Mormon are not oceans! The proof is in the text itself. The Nephites come for the Middle East and there when referring to large lakes they call them seas. Ex: the Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Dead Sea, the Sea of Galilee , etc. That same terminology was brought with them and used in American for the Great Lakes. The East Sea and west sea are not descriptions of oceans, but the actual name of the lakes. And the language is specific through out the Book of Mormon. Whenever they speak of the ocean it’s called the great waters. Or many waters. Two distinct classifications used over and over. The narrow neck of land is a land between two seas or in our language lakes.

I love this! Thank you so much for having Wayne May on!!

I don't want there to be contention in the Church over Book of. Mormon geography. While I do believe the evidence, the Scriptures and the Spirit lead me to believe in the Heartland model, I don't want to get into any contention on the issue, which I have encountered before. Thank you for having Brother May on.

Excellent questions Greg. Great interview. 💪

When I was at the hill Chamorah, I had such a strong foreboding feeling of the battle that took place there. It was such a strong feeling.

Thank you for this interview. I will study up on Wayne's finds. Maybe even attend the conference.

I recently came back from Cancun, Mexico. We visited Tulum ruins. As we were enjoying the blue water at Isla Mujeres, I realized Florida wasn’t that far away with Islands in between. It would be a pleasant Caribbean cruse to get to Cancun area. I really think Way’s theories are spot on about the Nephites. I also think there was probably some migration down South of possibly the Lamanites. It’s just so easy to see how they could cross the Gulf of Mexico from Florida. Any thoughts?

I believe the Heartland model. It makes sense and Joseph Smith wrote and others too about walking over the lands. I believe Bro. Joseph.

I am DEFINITELy interested in getting that copy of Elizabeth Baum's journal on the large boned Jaredites at Nauvoo and the picture of the burial sites of the Adena men buried like spokes of a wheel. How can I get copies of that info. Greg?

It’s time to get our food storage if you don’t have it. Our stake President in Eastern Idaho said he had a dream to tell the saints in his stake to have a food storage.

Love Wayne. Rebeca Bearce was my great great grandmother. Wampanoag through Massasoit. She was the first Native American baptized into the church. She was baptized by Levi Hancock. Her first child was a big and she named him Levi

Thank you Greg - this is wonderful. I believe there is sooo much more to discover - and will be discovered. Our faith in the Bible is not diminished because we know precisely that Bethlehem and the Mount of Olives exist and when the evidence of Zarahemla and Bountiful sites (for example) are known our faith will similarly still be intact. And it will happen.

I'm not sold yet on either model nore do I consider it needful for my salvation, but as a lover of history I find it exciting. My issues with the north American model are no cement structures found that I'm aware of. And the Mississippi runs in the wrong direction to be the river Sidon that some try to make it out to be. But it's all very exciting as the Lord reveals more.

I appreciate the work Wayne has done. I do wish, though, he would not just say “it’s there” but give the references online, real time when asked. This is regarding Greg’s question about the journal entry of the daughter of Jacob Baum (sp?). Without a reference it is still just hearsay.

Wayne probably not remember me or my husband, we were in the same branch in WI. I have been following him since I first started to see his presentations on the heartland concept.

Wayne May, I would love to go on a tour to the mounds! Is that in your future?

BYU professors wrote their books and put their reputation on the line with the meso America theory. WHO wants to get them upset? That is their livelihood.

Great show, loved your guest!

I served my mission in Indiana and one of my areas was in Anderson. I remember one P-day we rode our bikes around the Anderson Mounds. I remember back then in 96-97 thinking this could be part of the Book of Mormon. So amazing!

I’ve been following May for years. I’ve learned new things I haven’t heard him speak of like the Ojibawa man saying he can read some of the Michigan plates…no way?! How exciting! I read the Mystic symbol he spoke of and I really do believe myself that the Michigan artifacts are real. Too much to share here but it all made sense to me. It’s so fun! Just imagine the more information we will get over the years. The facts just keep piling up💪

Great discussion, thank you.

I just purchased Land of Promise issues 1-12. Can't wait to dive in. 😊

I believe Wayne is talking about Chief Midegah. Everyone should look him up and listen. His lineage isn’t just verbally passed down. They have ancient scrolls and a lot more. Mind blowing! Greg, you should contact him and have a discussion!

You should learn about the Ngati Hotu family of New Zealand. Left the highlands of the Iranian- Indian border 3500 years ago. Travelled via Egypt, North- Africa, across the Atlantic to the Americas. Their family DNA is found in the " Jaredite" areas of North America, along the Western coast, Mexico, South America, Easter Island to New Zealand. The DNA has been verified by National Geographic.

The Jaredites had a longer existence than the Nephites, even though they have a small record created by Ether. They were constantly at war with a lot of internal corruption. I think it's possible that many groups of people bailed from that civilization (like Hagoth with the Nephites) and migrated South, very far South, and when the core Jaredite civilization collapsed, these other breakoffs survived and became the majority of the ancestors of the Native people in the Americas and that Nephites and Lamanites mixed with them much like the lost 10 tribes mixed with their surrounding cultures. I think that could explain the DNA. The Mexican and South American tribes may be remnants that broke off from the Jaredites hundreds of years before their destruction to where they were completely separate cultures at that point and may have been completely unaware of each other. Just a theory.

Hello Wayne, love your magazine

Heartlander here

It’s time to get our food storage. I’ve never heard a stake president come out and say after months of planing for stake conference the Lord gave him dream a few nights ago to tell the saints in the stake here in Idaho to have their food storage.

He was my husband's branch president in Wisconsin!

Jaredite site in Western North Carolina on Cherokee historical home land, with writings that no one has identified

Hey Greg and Wayne, Have you listened to any of Chief Midegah's Heatland video's. He's calling out the Church to recognize them as descendants of the Book of Mormon and to help them blossom, although he seems a bit antagonistic.

I confess I am not sold on the heartland theory. No mention of snow in the Book of Mormon. 20 days journey from the land of Nephi to Zarahemla suggesting that the Nephite / Lamanite civilization was very concentrated. Amalickiah was assassinated on New Year’s Eve on a night when he and his soldiers were overcome because of the heat of the day. If the Nephites followed the Hebrew calendar, New Year’s Eve would have been in mid April. The average temperature in upstate New York is about 55 degrees.

You need to interview Chief Midegah

A few years ago I saw a documentary, on RU-vid, and they were discussing the evidences of the native Americans. If I remember correctly the main group started in Florida and Georgia Then spread out from there going north. Eventually the descendants of this group went south again and then into Mexico. The natives in Mexico were linked to the southeastern natives. The natives in Guatemala were said to be from Asia and their language had Hindu roots and their buildings were in the style of Hindu temples. I grew up on the Rio Grande River in Texas. I knew about the Mexican native Americans traditions of the White God coming and teaching them. I also grew up in the Church and believed what we were taught from Joseph Smith. My daughter was in 5th if 6th grade bought a book about an early American European girl being kidnapped from her colonial village by a native American tribe to replace the Native American child that has died due to the white settlers. I don’t remember the name of the book but the white girl, that grew up with the Native American tribe, wrote a book about her experiences later on in her life. The tribe had a lady teach the young white girl about their history and how to do things. The lady taught this girl that there was a Holy Man that had cone among them and he taught them how to live and treat each other. He also taught them about the vegetation and the what they could eat and what herbs and vegetation had medicinal value and what to use them for healing. I learned that the resurrected Christ had appeared on this continent to multiple groups of people in multiple places on the North American continent. I wish that I could remember the name and channel that produced the documentary about the Floridian group that had come to America in ancient times and had eventually migrated as far south as Mexico. I also wish I could remember the name of the young readers book that my daughter bought. We have moved and we gave all of her books that were in her bedroom back to her so I no longer have that book in my possession. There is archeological and linguistic evidence, done by archaeologists not members of the church, that back up what Wayne May is saying about the Heartland Hopewell group of native Americans. They even knew about the big battle that took place up in New York. Their dating of these groups also matches the Book of Mormon timelines.

In Alma 53 verse 5 Teancum caused the Lamanites to build their own prison. Look at the great circle in Ohio. It's slightly raised in the middle and gently slopes to a trench thats all the way around. The trench is on the inside, not the outside. This fortification is designed to keep people in. Look at the geography around the Hill Cumorah. Directly to the north is Lake Onterio. To the west is Hopewell New York (named after a Hopewell fort there) To the south are several long lakes. This is an ideal location to gain a tactical advantage over a reasonable sized army.

I have many questions. Like the cement buildings and Hagar sailing from the narrow neck of land to populate the polynesian Islands...that one especially could not be done from the heartland. Also the sophisticated money system. I'm not a believer of the Hopewell theory but still do consider them part of the greater picture.

That letter is the nail in the couphin of the Mezo fairytale, I the scriptures the Land is the land always.

Booyah!! Love this episode!!

Has Wayne been in contact with Chief Midegah? Would love to see them on the same podcast.

This is so awesome!

So sad they covered up that Tennessee valley with all those temples!!! I know where Norris Dam is. Lived in that area for 30+ years

Ive been praying for a while that we as a people would have enough faith to receive more records?? Perhaps Jaredite scriptures?

Bro. May, have you taken a closer look at the ancient peoples called the Toltecs? I’m not an expert of anthropology or archaeology; however I’ve been an student of the ancient people of meso-America, and it is belief that the Jared items could have been the Toltecs. Their history and dating correspond pretty much to the of the Book of Mormon. Forgive me I do not want to sound contradictory, but you must take a look at the Toltecs.

Thanks greg And for discussing utah governor

Elizabeth Baum married George Washington Bean. They were the parents of Willard Bean (Fighting Preacher). I know this from my own family history and FamilySearch…

When I was in Texas recently I saw what looked like the kind of mounds you are talking about. Is this possible?

do you have the reference/source you mentioned around 16:15?

Hi Wayne, Shon Baldwin here.

I would very much like to get a link to read Joseph Smith's comment to cover up the Adena/Jaredite bones 15:30 ... I'd love to have that! Is there any possibility that a link could be shared here please?

How could I get in touch with Brother Wayne May? I live in Northwest Arkansas, Elkins Arkansas to be exact. 5 hours south of Adam Ondi Ahman. We have the Collins Mound site which dates to book of Mormon timeline. I spent 4 years driving all over to locate this site because it's not publicly open to visit nor is it accessible except by permission of the land owner. Anyways after 4 years I went back to mapping the exact location and it hit me. The mounds are literally across the road from my house, my back yard is sloped... and a mound that has now been acknowledged as a mound. Now in these mounds, one mound in particular has a 60ft by 60ft structure. Inside this structure there is a 3ftx5ft rectangular structure that I believe to be an alter. In another area inside this structure is a 15 ft diameter circular object which I think is a baptismal font or its a pit. I don't know the exact details because it's all very unknown and not much is available to the public. No liDAR has been used at this site.

I always say people to pray on their own, but i know what i believe or have received is the absolute truth. A couple of years ago probably 3+ years ago i was severely struggling spiritual. I came across CES Letters, and was dealing with other facts/speculations against the church. In short a major spiritual disaster. In my mind i would go where God wanted me to go, and i was willing to leave the church. I struggled for several days or maybe even a couple weeks with a lot of ups and downs faithfully. After relying on God and God alone. Not church members, not pro church entertainment. I was told many times that the book of mormon is not a lie and the church is directed directly by God/Jesus. I struggled but took as truth even though my mind and feelings told me different. While minding my own business not doing anything spiritual i get hit with a major vision. I had seen a woman in white going into the heavens like a shooting star but going up not down. Then i asked are you saying that the church is the bride zion, and i got hit with soooo much spiritual energy AKA the holy ghost. After having that experience i came across the Hopewell people and theories that they are the nephites. When i discovered this, knew they had the be the nephites, and I've never heard of these people or the Egyptian Earth bult temple in Tennessee. In short i was coming across all kinds of evidence going along with BOM. i asked if this was the Nephites and i was told yes. I felt like i was being rewarded with a treasure for my faith in God. I was shown this all as a reward not to gain faith but to confirm my faith my communications with God. I know the so called Hopewell are proof of the BOM and Joseph Smith's relationships with God. Like i said pray for yourself, but i am finding it amazing that the past couple of years Hopewell is a big subject currently.

These discussions are like the halftime show at a game. They are fun to watch and listen to, but at the end of the day, it doesn't affect the final score.