[Archived] | Mator Smash | Installation & General Use 

Please consider helping others in the comments. We all start somewhere. ****Important Time Saving Info & Notes**** Modding Tools Playlist : goo.gl/TTSeb8 *TUTORIAL NAVIGATION* ------------------------------ 0:17 *Introduction* 1:21 *Installation * 1:39 -Note 2:25 -Mod Manager Steps 2:36 -Non-M.O. Users 2:52 -Mod Organizer Users 3:07 *Setup* 3:59 -Note 5:24 *Basic Smash Patch* 6:10 -Note 7:55 -Note 8:53 -Note 9:23 *Rebuilding the Patch* 9:25 -Prep Work 10:14 -Process 11:07 -Note 11:36 *Thank You's and References* *Share & Help Us Grow =)* *NOTES* ------------ Please don't use Smash "just to use it" or just because I made a video for it. Read through the "more info" link in the description before making up your mind. At the time of this upload I too have more to learn about Smash. -Michael

I feel much better knowing GamerPoets made a video for this. I've been learning Skyrim modding from you for damn near a decade. Props my dude.

This really needs an update. Some of the setup stuff is completely gone now, and I have no idea what I'm supposed to do instead.

thank you again for these terrific tutorials, you are a asset to the community

Fantastic tutorial as always bossman. Keep it up these video's make a huge difference to the whole skyrim modding experience and the tools you cover are invaluable. Many thanks.

after years of being carried by your tutorials, i've finally subscribed. you sir are an absolute legend!

Been waiting for some good tutorials to come out for Mator Smash. Looking forward to the in depth guide.

Thank you GamerPoets for this, I look forward to the rest of the series, and the chance to learn about another modding tool.

Great start on this, look forward to the rest and as always, thanks GP :D

I am looking forward to your full tutorial once the full release comes out. Let's hope zEdit gets finished quickly so Mator Smash can receive the same love!

Thank you Michael, just what l need as I'm in progress of building a new mod list. You're my hero 😀

As I said in a previous video, LOVE your stuff! Just a quick update on Mator Smash (If you can add an annotation to your video): As of Version 1.0.0, the integration tab is no longer necessary for Mator Smash.

@GamerPoets Might be a newer version? But i got no merge redundant patch option

Thanks man! This is comprehensive and well-structured informative modding video.

Thanks for the video! So, Michael, what is your opinion on Mator Smash? Is it, as of now, better to use it than Merged + Bashed patch via Wrye Bash and xEdit? I tried to look things up myself, but it looks a bit confusing - STEP wiki guide is telling that Smash is still very alpha and unreliable, but the current version is already 1.0.2(so not Alpha, i guess?), and even the version in the video(0.4. something, i guess?) is very competent.

Great tutorial! and Thanks Mator for your useful tools! Keep up the good work.

Thanks for this. Anything that streamlines the bashed/merged patch process of old, while doing a better job of it, is a boon to us modding addicts.

great video. sadly found this about a day after i needed it but i'm glad to see i wasn't doing anything stupid. do hope you upload the xedit companion video for this soon, if only to again validate i'm not being stupid with my own setup.

Oh, neat. I hadn't heard of this program yet. (And just letting you know that the link in the description meant to go to "Mator Smash (github)" is actually pointing to the Nexus page for "SkyrimSE.exe Auto-Backup" at the time of my viewing).

Can't wait for the next part!

I cant believe how simple and quick that was

Wow! Thanks for another great tutorial.

I've heard of mator smash, but never used it. Been working on a new land mod for the last few months. As such, I haven't been able to watch many videos. Anyway, just wanted to say hi and hope all is well with you Michael. Your Friend, SB :-)

great guide, made me rethink some of my modding choices. now i check it all in xedit.

Somebody just told me about this, Mator Smash for se, and im like MAN I hope gamerpoets has covered this.... and he did. Thank you again sir :D

You've re-titled this as archived -- has it been replaced? I've read through the description and pinned comment, and if there's a link, I'm missing it (sorry!). I've been reading discussions online about Wrye Bash vs. Mator Smash, and I've seen a lot of people recommending Mator Smash. What are your thoughts?

awesome tutorial!!!

truly michael you are the hero we need but not the one we deserve

Another excellent video, Micheal. Quick question though: when using MO, why did you select the game's actual data folder as the patch destination directory under the Patching tab? Mator Smash defaulted to my MO mod folder when I clicked Detect Integrations and built the patch there. I just had to refresh and activated the patch. Any specific reason in selecting the actual data folder? Thanks.

Michael! The TES5Edit patch+Bashed patch+Wintermyst patch with the Immersive Jewelry mod was kind of complicated to put together. It's not that hard we must just follow the right order. So my question is, currently in this case no such complications here with mator smash patch? And prime tutorial as always Thank you!

This is an amazing tutorial Michael!! I've installed it and it all went smoothly. One question: Should we run LOOT first or does it matter?

very much looking forward to the advanced guide mentioned in this video. would like to know how to verify the redundant plugins using xEdit. This video is really fantastic. Thank you for the great guide.

@Michael.. What do you prefer..? Mator Smash or SSEEdit/Bashed Patch? Thank you..

your intro is actually good

Michael, just want to say a big THANKS for this. I just did say thx financially also. My game now runs smoother, prettier and more complete with, so far, zero CTDs. Haven't seen game improvement like this since crash fix came out. One last thing - To all those 25k that subscribe & use Michael's very helpful vids - I'll bet at least 250-500 of you can easily afford a lousy 10 bucks a month to keep Michael going & well exceed his Patreon goal. If you have a smidgen of understanding reciprocity you'll realize you don't great value for nothing. He always gets lots of good words with all his vids & still can't get to measly $600 a month. I see a lot of talkers but not many walkers.

It is a silly question, but can I use Mator Smash together with Wrye Bash? What results and effects would have in my Skyrim game if I do that? Many thanks for your tutorials, you're awesome!

Thanks for making this, just have one question: I'm trying to use this for Fo4, and the program doesn't come with pre-made settings for Fo4. Would it be safe to duplicate the Skyrim Smash settings folder and rename the folder to Fallout4? Thanks

Hello Michael, I have a question: Is there any option to enable a "Tweak Settings" option for the patch? As an old user of Wyre Bashed Patch I cannot live with the timescale above 12! Or: Is secure to make a bashed patch from wyre bash only activating the "Tweak Settings" option safely with this? Thank you for your work, really appreciated.

Great, thanks for this. Just as Windows 10 Creator's update arrives and Wrye Bash only works with Python version from MO2... An alternative surely to be considered!

Hello this was a nice starter but as others have stated it is getting aged. I am unable to find the advanced tutorial in your collection so perhaps it is in the back log? Hoping to see an updated version soon I read that you are working on updating for your Mod 101 series. This is one of sooo many valuable tools I hope you can revisit with new information. You sir ROCK!

Whenever I try to make the patch for Fallout 4 in MO 2 I get the message "Critical exception adding masters! "NewPatch.esp" requires master "Tactical Flashlights.esp" to be loaded before it." I tried removing the plugin altogether but it just changes to asking for a different esp each time. I'm not aware of how exactly one would load a eps higher in the load order before an eps that I'm trying to make. Is this just MO 2 buggering up again?

As always, great job on this.After watching, I am now trying this app out.I have a question...Information first, I am using Mod organizer for Skyrim.Onto my question, under the patching tab you state to have the "Patch Destination Directory" point to the game Data folder.After clicking the I'm using Mod Organizer check box, it is point the patch location to the MO mods folder.Using MO I can see that actually making sense, as a .esp in the game Data folder become an unmanaged item in the profile pane...Or is that the way this is supposed to work?

I don't have a merge redundant plugins NOR an integration option???? New version released 2018

Thanks as always

blessed you man!

10/10 guide. Thank you

just a bit of something to note: If Smash merges NPC overhaul esp's and you have grey faces you might want to exclude these npc replacers from merging. This, in my experience, is only a problem when using virtual file systems like Mod Organizer. This doesn't always happen, but it happens. As stated, this is a problem with MO, not Smash, so don't bug Mator about it (or Michael). I recommend merging the NPC replacer esp's Smash wants to with any other esp's it wants first. Then, if you do have grey faces, simply remake your Smash patch, excluding the npc replacers from the patch.

Great video. Is this worth doing if you are just using a bash patch? I have about 200 esp's and well over 300 mods but my game runs flawlessly. (Original Skyrim)

Great Install. MO2 and Smash are updated so some of the installation instructions are not necessary. I am looking forward to the length Advanced Video(s). As well as the various uses - as conflicts resolution - and - how it works in sync with Merged Plug-Ins. I am fairly new though it is my understanding that you can Smash smaller sections prior to using Merged Plug-Ins as well as eventually the larger set. One problem is that people seem to have different ideas as to how to use and what is the right use. Videos to date have been super basic without much in the way of details.

Do you have any experience using Smash with NMM? Because I am having a hell of time trying to get Smash to read my load order correctly. I know your going to make a trouble shooting video but maybe you can direct me to where I might find more information on this specific problem. Thanks for your time.

There you are bro! You need to do a game live stream again soon! You ain't done that in forever!

Thank you man

I've been using Mator Smash for over a year now, and it's a useful program for strategically defying the 'rule of one'. For example, it has allowed me to keep all of CACO's alch stats while simultaneously running a half dozen other potion texture mods that each provide their own pretty models for potion and liquor bottles. But in my experience it doesn't always forward all the records to the smash patch that it's supposed to. I have to maintain a 'smash fixes' esp to correct the handful of records that it ALWAYS fails to forward properly. For example, using precise custom settings, Smash will correctly forward hundreds of conflicted CELL lighting records from ELFX, but there's always about a dozen of those conflicted ELFX records that mysteriously don't make it to the smash patch that I have to correct manually in order to prevent them from being overwritten by mods lower in my load order.

Is this information now outdated? If so, do you have more recent instructions on this process? Also, if I drop my Merged/Bashed patches from my current play-through and switch to a new Smashed patch instead, will this cause issues? Or should I begin a new game?

Hey. I hope you're doing well. I hope to see some more RP stuff soon. I'm having withdrawls. ; ;-)

Hello, I have a question. In the video, it is recommended to select the 'Smash.All' setting for ALL plugins. However, some of the plugins in my mod list already have a Smash setting : Bash.Names, Bash.Graphics, Bash.Relev, or Bash.Combined-*code*. Why do certain files already have a specific setting ? Should I leave these files' Smash settings as is, or change to Smash.All ? Do I really need to Smash all plugins or only the ones with these specific settings ? I assume that Smash.All is a simpler option, but I feel like these settings exist for a reason. Thanks to Mator for creating such a great tool, and thanks to whoever will take the time to answer my question EDIT : Of course, this tutorial is very easy to understand and follow, as all the others

Do you plan on doing a more updated video in the future, or will you wait for a stable zEdit release? I ask mostly because this video mentions merging redundant plugins a few times, a functionality that was removed.

It worked fine for my Skyrim SE setup, but it's not allowing me to select the Smash Setting at 6:50 for Fallout 3, as there's no arrow there to pull down. Any idea why?

I don't know how to load the smash patch into Vortex...I created everything as you directed but how do I get it to load into Vortex?

Just curious how come when I right click on add patch its greyed out?

since the current version doesn't give you the option to see which esp's are now redundant (or at least i couldn't find it) how should we now (current version) see redundant esp's or is another program (like wrye) needed?

Does this still only work with fo4 and skyrim se? I figured I'd give it a shot on new vegas seeing as I saw it in the new vegas folder at 2:02 but there is no sub-menu for smash setting when I select the plugins I wish.

I have not watched the whole video yet but i got some doubts. I am not new to modding but the merging side of it always confuses me a bit. For the sake of OCD and mere desire of "controlling everything" is it possible to use this program to "regroup" similar .esp files ? Example: (armor1.esp + armor2.esp+... +armorN.esp) -> Armors.esp and at the same time having something like (customweapon1.esp + customweapon2 +... + customweaponN.esp) -> Weapons.esp ? There are some restrictions in this sense? Is that i often use several little mods that do one single thing in the game instead of few major overhauling mods. I would like to manages mods without packing all up. If something i said sounds dumb, well, scratch that, it's probably dumb.

oh my! i never thought this day would come!!1 alas This part of my life, this part right here? This is called 'happiness oh and first :V thanks

Is this newer version supposed to be absent of the "merge redundant plugins" and integration page? Because I don't have these options on mine. I may have installed it wrong because I accidentally put it in the game folder and had to delete it then put it in the folder I had created within the game folder.

I've wanted something like this for my FO4 list, however I'm running into a similar problem that I had with the Merge Plugins tutorial. These programs are attempting to load FO4's DLC (nuka, coast, and robot) after mods that require them to be loaded first (FO4 unofficial patch, true storms, keywords, etc). What ends up happening is that I cannot attempt anything within this tutorial. Any help is appreciated.

774 armor mods now in-game - I think that counts as "diversity" lol love you GP

Thanks for the video. I have a question for you if that’s ok. Or maybe someone else has the time to answer me. I have done my own modlist. It’s 682 mods and 708 plugins. I have downloaded all plugins Loot wanted me to + alot more that i found by myself reading on mods at Nexus. My load order works very well. There is one load order error I know. It’s Immersive weapons + AI Overhaul and one more immersive weapon patch. If i run them after some of my NPC overhauls i get black faces. So if I run it before the NPC overhauls I guess these two Immersive weapons patches will be overwritten and have no real function. So now when i am finished (I have Dyndolod left to run tho), should I continue with bashed patches or one big smashed patch? I don’t know if I have brain enough to understand how to create bashed patches for the whole modlist by myself. There are so many mods so I don’t know where to begin if trying to create patches on my own. Best Regards.

It's an excellent tutorial. Could you please explain to me how I use this tool in Vortex maneger?

Hello! I have watched all your skyrim moding related video and they are super useful! But this Mator Smash video is a bit too long.. maybe its time to do a update version? Or even a combine with wrye bash and synthesis! Anyway thanks for all the effort!

i tried using mator smash and had the cart flip after a new game in the intro so i decided to use wrye bash instead and everything works perfect

A few questions on usage, perhaps dumb ones, but ones asked as a result of great passion. I tend to run seriously modded games, with very staggering mod counts. I'm coming back to two new utilities that are making all my previous modding dreams very much a reality; MatorSmash, and Merge Plugins standalone. I'm building my most extensive load order yet, and hope to be able to share a successful implementation on Modpicker once this is all said and done. But in order to get there, I've been meticulously considering my methods. 1: I believe Merge Plugins standalone is limited to examining only as many items as is allowed by the load order of the game in question. If I am correct, this is fine. Is this also the case for MatorSmash? If so, this is also fine. 2: If MatorSmash is limited to Skyrim's maximum plugin count, and a user has a load order in excess of this, I am curious as to how I should proceed. Would the most reasonable course of action be to Smash mods that function alike, remove redundant plugins after checking with TESVEdit, and then make the best potential Merged Plugin of those mods with their respective patch? Effectively Smashing multiple times, would a broader Smash even be necessary at that point? If so, how might this affect redundancies? I personally don't think I'd be too concerned about it, as long as it managed to secure me a safe distance from the maximum load order. 3: If MatorSmash is not limited to Skyrim's maximum plugin count, would it be more effective to make Merged Patches and run Merge Plugins extensively before running Smash just once? Would MatorSmash be more useful than a Merged Patch in this case, and simply mimic the situation in the previous question/example? This is all, of course, assuming that I can produce a load order that will function at this extreme sort of load-order. Suffice it to say, I believe I can without too much trouble. It's all just a matter of installing groups of mods, testing the group, comparing it to other finished groups, and pruning to success. EDIT: Also! Thank you for making such a distinct use of your time to help all of us modders out here in the internet land.

This tutorial is sadly no longer applicable, specially if using MO2 which I am. Please consider updating? I know you are busy. By the way, is the music from Ultima ? The old rpg, like Ultima 7? I love the melody. The first time I played this I heard it and just listened for like 5 minutes. Heard nothing you said and had to restart video. I grew up playing Ultima 1 to 7.

Does this process alter the mods I already have installed? Or does it just create a "mod" or patch that replaces the selected ones?

Just to make sure: Does this tool allow to build BASHED PATCH? Just like in Wrye Bash?

I'm confuzzled... the resulting file of the process for me is "SmashedPatch.esp.save" there is no file that is just "SmashedPatch.esp"... did I miss a step (watched it about 4 times and didn't see anything I was missing)... do I need to manually renamed the .esp.save to just a .esp?

So if LOOT isn't suggesting a patch should still go ahead and make the patch anyway? Will it benefit me even if i don't necessarily need it?

When I make a Bashed patch I even go to Tweak settings and tweak some values how do I do it with smash patch?

Hey, When I use this program for fallout 4, the option for smash.all doesn't appear. Im using MO2 so at this point Im assuming its a MO2 Bug

I wasn't able to click OK at 3:37 unless i unchecked every mod, and also the Integrations tab in Settings seems to be missing in the newest version... It's gonna be another long night XD (i have about 800 active plugins)

many of the smash tabs are different now. Don't freak out, it seems you no longer need the integrations tab with MO2. Once your patch is finished, the esp is automatically placed in your Overwrite folder. I'm not seeing a merge redundant plugins tab anymore though? Use this for the settings we used to change in Wyre Bash www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/18249?tab=files

hi i know i am way behind the times but i hope somebody could answer my question. Is it fine if i dont rebuild the patch and just exclude the mods that have their own patch ( I use DSR, CGO and AGO which is patched by Nemesis Unli Engine) from the Smash patch?

Do you know if I need to use a bash patched for leveling lists? then use this program after? apologies if this question sounds dumb

From the Mator Smash Nexus Page: "Q: Older versions of smash had a feature to "merge redundant plugins", similar to what Wrye Bash does, why doesn't smash have this feature anymore? A: Smash is built on the xEdit framework, and the xEdit framework is not capable of loading more than 255 plugins (and likely never will be). Because of this limitation, smash merging plugins comprised entirely of overrides would be purely placebo and wouldn't actually create space in your load order. If you want to merge plugins, use Merge Plugins." Here's the link to Merge plugins: www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/69905

Posted this on Mator's channel, but thought I'd post here as well, and see if any one can help; I love this idea (thanks to GamerPoets for telling me about it), and I've been using it for Skyrim with no problems at all. For Fallout 4, though, there's no subfolder in the "Settings" folder, for Fallout 4. I assume I can't just copy the files from Skyrim over, and use those? :)

I'm with you until you get to the plug in menu but the ok button is dim and won't let me click it. Same for a few plug ins as well. Any ideas why this is? One of them is the unofficial Skyrim special edition patch

bit confused but i understand this replaces bashed patch but what about the tes5 merged does it replace that also?

I'm missing the "merge redundant plugins" box, any suggestions?

Wow a life saver

Michael, is this “safer” to use than Wrye Bash and xEdit considering it’s still in alpha?

smash settings isn't giving me the arrow pointing right to click on smash for fallout 4

I'm having trouble making the patch. I've followed your steps to the T but every time i click on the hammer to make the patch it crashes. I have no clue what i am doing wrong. I hope someone can help

Gonna stick with merged+bashed for now. Not enough information available about this and apparently the merged plugin option is gone now, heard it conflicts with Physics stuff also.

Process of "smashing" stops at Update.esm . What`s the problem?

I have a feeling you left out an important part of this video: What it does. I just use Wrye Bash for leveled lists and never had a problem... am i missing something here? Do these patches serve a different purpose or magically clean bad records for me?

Love the 0:35 windows 95 vibe ^^

so new to this and there does not seem to be a merge redundant checkbox or an integrations tab in mator anymore?

Funny enough, I have 230+ plugins, mainly Legacy of the Dragonborn, Vokrii, CCOR, MLU, and Advanced Adversary Encounters patches. Selected all plugins except Skyrim.esm, but result does not show any redundant plugin. EDIT: Nvm, I think I read the changelog mention that feature has been removed.

Does anyone know if there is a way to automatically generate the correct tags on esps/esms for Mator Smash to recognize for Skyrim SE?

I'm not seeing a merge redundant plugins tab