Are Aliens and UFO's Actually Demons? Jimmy Akin vs. Dr. Hugh Ross 

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Straight Chad.

if experiencers are those who practice the occult, then how did 60 school children at a zimbabwe school have contact with 3 grey alien beings outside their playground...and still 20 years later as adults recall the experience..

@@Jah_Babylon you don’t have to practice the occult to have a demonic encounter

Actually, according to Hugh, the great majority of astrophysicists believe in God. Now molecular biologists, not so much.

@@caelachyt which is crazy cause when I was in microbiology and I seen all the little processes that occur in our body every single day… I knew there had to be a God

@@madtinfoilhatter3684 Yeah, I think the biology types cling on to the "mutation" facet and thus go for evolution to fuel their view.

Can't agree more. I've been following him for about 3 decades(!!!), and his teachings just never get old. What a brilliant, humble, kind, gentle, and rock-ribbed faithful man of God. God bless Dr Ross and his amazing ministry (RTB).

It's always interesting to here him for sure. I am amaze how fast time goes by.

Noooo Ross is very very very wrong. All evidence suggests these aliens have families, they have feelings, know love, they have culture and are physical beings that can do more than us physically

if experiencers are those who practice the occult, then how did 60 school children at a zimbabwe school have contact with 3 grey alien beings outside their playground...and still 20 years later as adults recall the experience..

@@leviathantoobz There's NONE actually

AMEN TO THAT! 👏👏👏🙏❤🕊✝️

This was a very interesting conversation, but not a debate

Both handled it very classy

Yes.

@@davidandbernadettegockowsk9077 , That's debatable....

Also Catholic and Hugh Ross also opened me up to the Truth of Christianity

Bro, any recommendation to some of his books?

Perhaps ditch Catholicism and become a Christian.

The only way to Heaven is through Jesus!

Why would you go from atheism to Catholicism of all things?

Hahahaha, the longer you watch it the more this becomes true...which is actually good because it means they're trying to be accurate and honest about what they say

The world needs this.

Well said lol 😂

You're exactly right; or for instance, levitation by demonic possession isn't "spiritual" but rather evidence towards yet unknown psionic mind powers.

I don't think thats quite it. Dr. Ross argued residual UFO's *must* be demons. Jimmy argued he's open to the possibility that they are demons, but you cannot rule out extraterrestrials for reasons X, Y, & Z, so you cannot make blanket statements.

Those who do not believe in God do not believe in the 'supernatural', they only believe in the physical world, hence UFO's are extraterrestrials. They rather believe in wrapping space and time, warps speeds, anti gravity, teleportation, etc.

@@timtancik7005 For sure, but I wasn't seeing Dr. Ross make any blanket statements. He even agreed that many, if not most UAP sightings are natural phenomena. Jimmy says he is agnostic about the whole thing, but that's what the new (super cringe) atheists say. They say "Im open to the existence of a God" and then they proceed to shoot down any evidence of the supernatural and assume naturalism/materialism is true. My question to Jimmy would be the same as to what theists always ask the nonbelievers, and that is: what evidence would convince you these *are* demons? Again, not bashing Jimmy, I really have gleaned a lot from him, but I found it surprising that he was arguing in this way.

Not really. He left plenty of space to be convinced that the demon hypothesis was the case if presented the right evidence. New Atheists couldn’t be convinced no matter the mountain of evidence presented to them.

An empty barrel rattles a lot. Hugh to the point concise. Akin blabbering all over the place. Defense contractors. Who? Photos? Nope of course not. Ross really slumming on this one.

I'd like to see Hugh ross debate Steven Greer on the subject.

@@howardpalys6929now I would pay money to watch them debate

I don't know if i agree they are demons. And I'm inclined to think those may be disembodied nephilim not fallen angels anyway. I am inclined to think UFO's are & will be used for a massive deception at some point and not by the good guys.

Ross' claim is based on speculation about very little evidence while Jimmy maintains that such evidence is not enough to commit to a view

At an experiential point of view, they totally are

Not really, demons just posing as anything and will do so to deceive as many as possible

This is so confusing to me because for some reason God has led me to all of this information about people who have been involved in secret space programs. They actually meet aliens on other planets. These aliens also believe in demons too.

Bingo

Yep, in the words of Aleister Crowley!

Catholics are in trouble with God and Jesus 😔 Your religion does not Jive with what God says Or Jesus for that matter

Indeed. His warlock story was very compelling. 😜

I'm of the "Church of Paul and Apollos" and they're all teaching doctrines of men and devils. Revelation 14:13 "works" is martyrdom.

if experiencers are those who practice the occult, then how did 60 school children at a zimbabwe school have contact with 3 grey alien beings outside their playground...and still 20 years later as adults recall the experience..

Wrong, stone age people were more intelligent than these 3 buffoons combined.​@@Tang0355

He sounds like an idiot.

Not when it comes to the Bible age of the earth.

yeah because it doesn't require relative high IQ to understand what he says however on Jimmy's well its otherwise

you wouldn't think so if he'd debate Steven Greer on the subject.

@@howardpalys6929Greer tells people how to meditate and get in touch with “extraterrestrials” aka demons, I wouldn’t be taking his advice

​@@howardpalys6929 I don't see this as he was better ect I just take it as two men discussing their views on what they think .

⁠​⁠@@howardpalys6929steven greer worship ufos you can see that clearly in his documentaries Sirius and specially in “Unacknowledged” towards the end of the documentary this by itself is a red flag. The guy is not a Jesus Christ follower but a ufo/demonic one. Years ago been watching him a lot and watched almost all his documentaries, before I started to understand the whole picture and the role of satan and the fallen angels and how their main objective is to deceive people away from Jesus by mixing little truth twisted in a bunch of lies and greer is just a tool for that.

In 1952 was abdudected out my crib by two entities into a space ship. My parents did not have occult involvement to my knowledge There appears to be a catholic bias towards an exclusive demon source. Both extremes are possible.

But he wasn't lying

Same!! What a charlatan

Ya getting bogged down on that was kind of telling haha

Jimmy was passive aggressive throughout the discussion. And you’re correct about the Occult thread he started to pull on….he was trying to win any point he could.

​@bullyboy131 Believe the Godly man an his wisdom. UAPs are last great deception! Be blessed brother. 🙏🏻 -Western Ohio

Red beard thinks he’s a genius for sure

​@@danerasmussen6468exactly

The more you learn the more you realize how little Jimmy knows

Nope I don't agree with that view .I just see two men discussing their views and bouncing ideas and thoughts off each other . My views arnt the same as your views so let us talk and see if we can discover anything new by chatting and exchanging our views .

He is that guy from Lutheran Answers; what else would you expect.

I agree i dont like Jimmy's way of communicating.

I also agree. Jimmy sounds condescending, and I’m a big fan of his butt not of the tone intentional or not.

💯

He has debated Ken Ham several times. That requires incredible patience.

yeah like his random obfuscation by being pedantic with the term occult. We all basically understand whats referred to with occult as a general term in the modern worldm, its historic usage really doesnt have any relevance. Then he goes on to build a strawman claiming that a correlation with occult activitely means all encounters with UFOs are the result of occult activity which Dr Ross never said.

Doesn't mean he's correct & biblically aligned..

The debate is centered on the question “Are Aliens and UFOs actually demons?” Ross is arguing the case with positive evidence to affirm the position, while Akin is arguing with negative evidence to disaffirm it. So, there’s no inherent flaw in his position, which is that the UFO phenomenon does not always align well with demonic (aka spiritual) activity, and that one cannot dismiss the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. What makes that unpopular here is that he is relying less on the Bible to assess this all; but, it lets him not start with a conclusion already in mind. For as much as Ross is well versed on the topic, he has already decided that all the UFO activity is demonic, and that there is simply no chance for life outside of Earth.

@@wachuku1 Thanks for explaining though I already understand the position and the argument. I understand Ross's argument and he lays it out very clearly (whether they are convincing or not is a different matter). I think you missed my point entirely. My point is that Akin lacks a good structure to his argument (clear thesis, framework and logic to arrive at his "inconclusion", i.e. there is a possibility of advanced outer space civilizations, and data points to back his logic and how he evaluated those data points). All Akin does is offer counter examples of the data points offered by Ross (e.g. advanced civilization could have made advanced material, theoretical possibility of faster than light travel without grounding it in physical reality, etc.) and resort to authority to make his argument (eg. latest Drake equation estimate by some authoritative figure, positions held by Michio and Hosenfeld without explaining why they hold such a position, etc.). He is willing to apply some supernatural explanations but in some cases he is not willing to do so. It would be good to understand his framework for assessing data points presented.

@@jookyuhall hypothesis based on imagination.

@@leawilliams8476 Your statement is clearly false. I do not even care to explain why since you can look up the definition of hypothesis yourself.

@@jookyuh I understood your point. I don’t agree, though. For example, his thesis is that there’s not enough evidence for one to always entertain a demonic connection, because (1) the spiritual nature of the objects in question is not clear, (2) limiting our knowledge of physics to our current understanding of it is temporally unwise (analogously, it took millennia for most modern agricultural techniques to mature to their current states. Thomas Malthus even believed the Earth would be overpopulated in a few centuries and outstrip the abilities for agricultural processes even in the future to meet the demands. Technological and agricultural revolutions have significantly raised the upper limit of how many the Earth can sustain more than he or his contemporaries thought possible), and (3) that, for as large as the universe is, most astronomers and physicists only state that life and interstellar travel is mathematically unlikely, not demonstrably impossible, as Ross believes. Ross appears to be alone in that regard within his field, whereas his broader community is much more open to the possibility of even intelligent life elsewhere (of the famous ones, the now passed Stephen Hawking and Neil deGrasse Tyson, for example). That hadn’t wavered throughout the debate. As for the standards he uses to entertain or not entertain the supernatural, I concur that it could be more transparent for my liking. However, Ross is in the same boat, since his worldview requires at least some reinterpretation of the scriptures to accommodate his knowledge of physics and astronomy, oftentimes in unpopular or unusual ways. These are two Christians who trust that the universe and Earth are billions of years old rather than the 6-10,000 years that a plain reading of the Bible leads Young Earth Creationists to believe. They are also working with hypotheticals and the preternatural, which makes the arguments harder to argue for or against scientifically. However, as some others here have noted, Ross’ position on this seems to come from confirmation bias, which Akin tacitly points out. To me, Akin’s problem in this debate is ultimately one of popularity and reception, not his approach to establishing and explaining his position.

Amen! Fear of how one is perceived is the opposite of faith

@odonnelldenise Yes, fear is a spirit in opposition of God's Spirit to hinder us. 100% But "God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind." Everyone with anxiety... "RESIST THE DEVIL AND HE WILL FLEE." STAND IN FAITH!

He already debated Sunengis on his claim that God is not eternal. Sunengis rejects the Dogmatic Declarations of the 4th Lateran Council and is a heretic. As a Catholic, we cannot believe that UFOs(if they exist) are demons- because Catholicism teaches that Demons are pure spirits and lack a body

I think they're two different phenomena

It’s true that what you are talking about is real data. First let me mention that spirits in the Bible are shown to materialize somehow. However, the data that you are talking about also shows us that this is deliberate. It’s to give us the illusion of ontological subjectivity and to sell you an ontological lie. Why would a fallen being come as the myth of the time and place? Do you not see what purpose this serves?

can the non physical effect the physical?

@@JR-tl8tg Biblically yes.

@@Sapientiaa exactly therefore we can't rule out anything and that includes the demonic.

What exactly would you be right about??

@@MikeThaPhilosopherThat “aliens” are demons in disguise and will be involved in end time events.

@@MikeThaPhilosopher That "aliens" are in actuality demons in disguise, facilitating end time events to some degree.

Yes, Dr. Ross's arguments on why aliens are demons, seam more based of his religious beliefs and confirmation bias. Not on what the majority of scientists think or a look at the facts of many cases.

Good point

Firstly, UFO dies not mean aliens, it was 99% military, 1% supernatural. Secondly, you don’t have to be into the occult to experience it.

I totally agree. I loved Jimmy when he overwhelmed Bart Ehrman in a debate , and then I lost a great deal of respect for him after his hack job review of Dr Ross’ book Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men. I think Jimmy is very naive in what he accepts from the RU-vidr Pop-scientists that make wild claims telling people what they want to hear about warp drives and time travel to expand their following.

Jimmy lacks discernment

In all the reports of people encountering these beings that invoke the name of Christ the beings flee. That should tell you everything you need to know.

@@thejohn17project15give one example. I’ve heard this claim but never seen a real story of this

Jimmy believes God Himself allows these extraterrestrial aliens to evolve thousands or even millions of years ahead of us without Jesus revealing Himself to them and establishing His kingdom there, on their planet? Even more than that, Jesus allows these aliens to come here and bother humanity, by abducting them and so on? We know Biblically that God allows demons to be here but nothing about physical aliens from another planet or star system.

I was tormented by aliens since I was young & was really into new age spirituality. Not until I started praying for faith in Jesus it came to an end.

Believe it or not, this phenomenon is tied to spiritualism. In short, these beings are working to bridge the sci-fi atheistic-minded folks and the Christian world to the mystical. Search" the full testimony of Roger Morneau" to hear how this was predicted decades ago. Believing in the pagan doctrine of the immortality of the soul is the door that opens one up to this kind of deception. These beings are working hard to confuse humanity about human mortality and the nature of consciousness as a means to pumping in a false gospel of human evolution from "beyond the grave. "

I agree 100%

Oddly, I found Dr. Ross's arguments, a bit forced to fit his beliefs. He, true to his theological outlook, will put the evidence that fits his belief but will downplay or dismiss other evidence that does not fit in with his belief. We don't know of a power source that can bend space, but that does not mean it can not exist. Also, you do not need to be d solid matter, so his Jupiter limitation does not apply. He also holds odd scientific beliefs.

​​​@@eabm1984I have to disagree. The scientist man did much better than Mr. Akin! And a side note I found Mr. Akin to be passive aggressive and internally angry. And in my opinion only I believe Mr. Akin is a bitter angry man.

@@eabm1984 Yea...not sure about hominids before Adam thingy

agreed

The spiritual can most definitely manifest in the physical. The spiritual is a higher state than the physical … Hebrews 2:9 “But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels,…”

@@dherpin4874 sure it can, but by definition spiritual is not made of matter ie physical, if its not made of matter then it should have no radar signature. All the objects that ross refers to had radar signatures. If a spiritual being takes on a physical form, then it to is subject to the same laws ross refers to as defying physics and his point is therefore mute

⁠@@7chrismaI don’t know it necessarily follows that if a spiritual being takes physical form it is is subject to the same laws. Jesus was truly man but was able to do extraordinary things with His body and with nature.

Ross bias is there but it's kind of well founded. I think Ross overall point gets to your challenge. He is saying the vastness of interstellar space makes it virtually impossible for organic life to show up here. All astrophysicists have respect for that point. Meanwhile we don't even have radio signals of intelligent life. And there are evolutionary challenges to life in other places in our galaxy such as the dense star cores or black holes. Really the only point in favor of the possibility of alien life is just the sheer numbers of stars we're talking about. We have our best physicists working on these ideas and its hard to get beyond general relativity. Does that mean therefore demons? No it doesn't and I'm glad JA pushed back a little on that point. Last point and this is not definitive, but worth filing away. If I wanted to distract humans from God, I'd lure them to the modern day golden calf-- that's technology-- that is our idol in 2024. That and environmental crusading.

@@7chrisma natural laws pertain to that which only physical. That which is spiritual (higher form) is not subject to the limitations of the physical, however can interact physically as God allows it. There are a great deal of exorcists cases identifying physical interactions defying physical laws.

This is a small preview of heaven hehe

I first saw Hugh Ross 11 years ago how he explain that earth is sustainable for about 100-1000 years, depending on how humans use its resources. But 1k years the most

Chexk outt Jimmy Akin s Mysterious World. There's a whole lot more geek levels there...lol. Big fan.

Fully agreed. I feel like most of the people in the comments attacking Jimmy are upset because he picked apart many of Ross's points with ease and grace. At least in the beginning of the debate.

I agree with you that the average Christian who is not as well read on this topic should not overstate their case. But I personally like to overstate my case, because that way I get more feedback on my ideas. Also sometimes we just have to go with a theory once we think it is the most likely one. We can always change our mind later. But if we never move because there may possibly be some alternative which we haven't found yet, then we may never move.

Nope.... actually life is the most stubborn thing! It just keep coming back... against all odds !

@@elojoe That is true. They each come according to their kind. At least as long as there is some bridge to get there.

Be careful what you wish for

You don’t want anything to do with these. “Demons”

The Book of Enoch is not part of the Scriptures and is rejected by all denominations except the Ethippians

@@PRASANTHTHOMAS-hx3nh The book of Jude quotes Enoch, in his use of phrase describing the 2nd coming of Yeshua/Jesus, "He will come with tens of thousands of his saints." The Book of Revelation also speaks of the 2 witnesses in the Day of Jacob's Trouble, also called The Great Tribulation. One of the witnesses has clear references to being Elijah - as he did not experience death, but was "taken up" to Heaven. The other Witness, appears to refer to Enoch - as he also did not die, but was taken directly to Heaven. This period, and God's works are profound, solemn reminders of God's fulfillment, in quite amazing detail and reference to His original plans and intention to keep his promises and fulfill His promise/keep His word on all matters.

@@gregrice1354 The Book of Acts quotes Greek Poet Aratus(who was referring to Zeus) during Paul's addresses to the Athenians, and called Epiminedes a "Prophet" and quoted during his letter to Titus. The Scripture quotes other books as well, but they aren't Scripture

Spot on!

Yes I agree , is his theory or what if questions testable . Anything that would strengthen his views . It’s always easy to say , well what if .

​​@@Terrylb285Ross has the burden of proof here.

Many more molecular biologists are atheists than astrophysicists who are atheists. Dawkins for example is the former.

Out of his depth making unserious arguments and ruining the whole conversation

It bugs me that people can't hold more than one thing to be true simultaneously.