Are Analogue Modelled Channel Strips Snake Oil? 

I almost never comment on a video, but I have to this time. Please do not stop with the in depth videos. The algorithm might be telling you to, but the producers likely disagree. I literally cannot think of another channel on youtube that describes how plugin works to such an extent as this channel does, and therefore provides the same quality of learning. One of a kind channel.

The voice of reason and with a tongue planted in the cheek. Entertaining, educating and thought provoking.

I think people who think "analog mojo" will fix their bad mix don't realise that a lot of bad music/mix/mastering was made exclusively using analog gear. We just only remember the good music and become nostalgic of that.

Dan yapping while still teaching is something I'm absolutely up for.

I think what anolog modeled channel strips do for me is almost a mental thing, where it puts me in the mindset of working on a console. So instead of wondering what to load on each individual thing, you just put the same channel strip on everything and go, avoiding the mire of options. Also, the limitations are good for avoiding amateur mistakes, where instead of contorting the sound with 15 bands of fully parametric EQ, you got 3 or 4 bands to work with, which you quickly learn is completely sufficient 99% of the time. And if you're working with stepped frequencies and a preset Q-factor, well that's just straight-up idiotproof, which is great for me.

Came for the level-headed audio analysis, stayed for the level-headed political analysis

I found out how much "magic" they pack into their plugins when I took a closer look at one of the brainworx consoles (I forgot which one it was because I didn't buy it). It had a "sheen" knob. When activated, the sound experience was much brighter and clearer. When I examined the thing with the doctor, I realized that they had already built in a lowpass filter when loading the plugin. With the premise of analog warmth, this was acceptable to the ears. If you then activate "Sheen", this lowpass filter is deactivated. Ultimately, the "Sheen" button was simply a return to the normal digital sound. What made the difference was my premise of what makes the sound 'analog' and what makes the sound 'digital', nothing else.

If I'll ever make plugin, I'm definitely going to implement "Accurate emulation of dust that needs to be wiggled around in the pot and virtual contact cleaner included" 😂

What do you think about airwindows plugins , especially Consoles ?

Love your videos but a little disappointed on the political analysis front as the highlight of this channel is a strong weighting towards science and away from bias and marketing. A lot of things have happened over the last 20 years, some minor, some major and its completely impossible to attribute that purely to one thing (government), no one can possibly say where a Labour government would be post covid among other things. And just so people dont try and baseline this comment as a disgruntled Tory im Scottish and have never voted Tory in my life and I suspect I never will. Anyway it's great you eventually got treatment and hopefully this run of recent videos shows your feeling better and are back in the game. Great content as always and hopefully much more to come.

4:18 Honestly that's pretty much the main reason I use the more skeuomorphic plugins and the emulations a lot of the time. A lot of the more modern complicated plugins just make me tweak and mess around a lot rather than mix.

Dan Worral is doing Snake Oil videos? I'm here for it!

Babe wake up, new Dan Worrall just dropped

If you know what yor are doing, you can get very good mixing resulst with stock plugins, if not - third party plugins don't help at all. And btw. one of my favourite bands is Guided By Voices. Most of their early tracks are recorded on 2 or 4 tracks. It is the song that matters most. Good luck with your treatment, hope you are getting well soon. ❤️

The vast majority of audio engineers who have used this analog technology at that times are grateful that these analog days with all its pitfalls and problems are over. Nuff said.

These short "low effort" videos are great! Thank you, Dan!

I couldn't have made a better snake oil video! 😂

Over here we have the magical console that Fleetwood Mac was mixed on, over there we have the magical channel strip that was used on Dark Side Of The Moon! You know what else was mixed on these magical pieces of gear? Thousands of hours of forgettable crap music that no one wants to listen to. lol

I completely agree and I have been following your videos since forever, so I perfectly understand what you mean. That said, I’m still on a quest to understand what it is that gives me - or at least seems to give me - a deeper, rounded, fuller sound on the analogue counterpart of most emulations (like API 550s, distressors, SSL fusion, etc). I don’t understand why it’s different and why we haven’t quite managed to match it. Do you hear any of that or do you not really hear a difference/prefer plugins? It’s a genuine question, for those who believe I would ever attack Dan Worrall which for me is the biggest prophet on audio we have today haha Also, in case you wanted some human feedback past the Google statistics: the low effort videos are great, and I will keep watching/listening to every one you put out, but I don’t think they beat the high effort, example-based, screen-captured videos, which are truly what sets your channel apart from the rest of the world! Just one opinion though (of a big fan)! Thank you for all of your content!

Of course they are, otherwise my thousands and thousands of dollars worth of analog hardware purchases are stupid and meaningless. I can't be stupid and meaningless, right? ....RIGHT?

6:30 DAWs are in fact more powerful than any studio mixer from the 90's, but many mixes now are also on another level, not possible in the 90's, nevermind 80's or 70's. That being said, I agree equipment is not an excuse for a bad mix nowadays. Get well soon, Dan!!!!!

Another great video Dan. A country should be judged on how it treats its most poor and marginalised, not how many tax dodging billionaires it has. Health care is a basic human right, which should be equally available to all citizens, irrespective of how much money you have. Take care.

I am a sucker for aesthetics when it comes to plugins. I have always wondered if I truly like music, or just playing with all the knobs and levers like some mad scientist. I've got a few channelstrip plugins, but they never seem to do for me what separate "boring" plugins easily achieve. Except for one: the IK plugin rack which I got for cheap, although it doesn't really count because it's not so much a console but a seperate fx strip with predefined choices.

To many plugins out there 99.9% of these plugins are like SPAM they do not do anything but distract me. Thanks for all the work you do Dan !

So I haven't wasted thousands of pounds then .....Yaaaaeee !

I’m seriously considering making a channelstrip type plugin, that will “model” various console - SSL, Neve etc, with the ability to switch between them, but then to make the only difference be the skin on the interface, and then see what the reviewers say about the difference in sound 😅 Guess it won’t work now I’ve given the game away, but anyway, thank you for once again bringing the voice of reason. No plugin will make your mix sound better if you don’t know how to use it. And even the greatest one can make your mix considerably worse if you don’t use it well

I for one stand by my channel strips plugins. They are so very functional and make mixing more enjoyable for me. Some of them have a nice sound as well that I may be imagining, but when used across an entire mix (SSL for instance) I do feel like there is some X-factor in the sound. All the mixes I have used them on have been better, but that might just be because they're basically the only mixes where I take care to compress and EQ every single track. I might try another approach. But it also helps that the Brainworx SSL are VERY low CPU rather than using specific EQ and compressor on every track. I can only use like 5-6 UAD plugs before things get rough.

I gave up my subscription for one of the ssl plugins bundles as I couldn't hear a difference. Firstly I think you need really good speakers, audio interface, etc just to hear these subtle analogue sounds. Secondly we add all of these subtle effects then someone plays the finished mix through their phone. They will definitely not hear any of it. Thanks for the great video!

If you can't achieve a professional mix with onstock effects in your daw, you should look for another hobby. You don't need thirdparty stuff in theses great times. It's the skills, not the tools.

Can you see the difference? I do, and in Argentina we are going through the same situation, before children could access very expensive medications through the state to cure or cope with cancer, not at this time with a liberal government that decided not to spend on those medications. Sorry and a thousand times sorry for the out of place intrusion for a video about music. Thanks for your videos Dan

The health system in Poland was shitty no matter under a left-wing or right-wing government. 40 years of socialism inhibited the development and implementation of modern technologies in that country. A right-wing government is no better either, as it draws handfuls from that socialist economic model. In general, the government over the past 300 years deserves nothing but scorn.

Only reason analog console is better, is because you got most of the fades and knobs and stuff right there under your fingertips and you can control them far faster than with a mouse in DAW. Then again, nowadays there's good amount of digital control consoles for that and they're objectively much better, as long as the faders and knobs are of good quality.

I would eagerly listen to your podcasts even being unprepared because it's a rare thing to hear a sober human speaking nowadays

All i know is that Focusrite channel strip sounds harsh no matter what you do with it: ear fatigue.

definitely snake oil, just listen to modern recordings to the classics

Comrade worrall

... if it sounds good, it is good. I don't care much how you get there tbh ...

A low effort Dan Worrall video where you just share your thoughts and experience is worth 10 other 'audio expert' vids any day of the week.

can you do weekly audio engineer affirmations in this format?

4:12 exactly what I try to remember every time the G.A.S. kicks in

I do love the post 2006 plugins. Man, they emulate millions of dollars of $ in the 80s. And I'm Canadian and love my social net, though it is a challenge to maintain.

Each Worrall upload feels like Christmas.

Hey Dan, we’d all love to see you branch out into other related topics. Have you considered doing interviews with all the big guitar channels, to give them tips on tone and arrangement?

I absolutely love my Neve and SSL channel strips on UAD2, but the DSP offload movement in general does seem permeated by misinformation and misplaced hype. I honestly just love how they sound and the fact they don't hog my CPU.

I honestly just like the layout of those kinds of plugins more. If i need to dig deep i will use EQs or Compressors that allow me to do that, but in all the other instances i like those old looking ones. They force you to listen instead of looking at a live graph of the entire frequency spectrum and i like that

I love how well compressed and gated your voice is on these. Really fits the theme of what you talk about 🤣

I got unsubbed 😤

Dropsy is related to phase issues, no?

I think it is more about the feel of the workflow. Yes, we can EQ match until the cows come home but then sometimes it's more about getting to know what to expect from each "flavour" and the context for when to use it. If you learned on hardware, there is something inherently comforting in the GUIs. All that said, I love how the FabFilter suite pretty much covers the bet from end to end between ProQ3, Saturn, ProC2, and Volcano if you are looking for a nice "channel strip" sound. The caveat being your ability to put it all together

This is way less interesting than your longer videos

"If my younger self from the 90s could see how powerful my setup is now, my mind would be blown." 100%! If you didn't live through it, you probably can't grasp the enormity of how far we have come. Back in the 90s, I'd have to spend $5000 to get a sampler setup that can do half of what a free sampler plugin can do now. It's simply - almost indescribably - incredible.

I actually use snake oil to lubricate my mix buss , but that's too advanced to discuss here. Aside to that , I've been A B ING limiters on said buss , and I've been hearing very different results from Ableton stock compared to a psp one I've settled for currently.

are you reading? or just talking? I can't tell.

I mean, essentially all EQ plugins are BLT-ized models of analogue EQs. (also many of my most viewed videos are ones I spent hardly any time on. In fact I was coming down off an acid trip while recording my most popular one...)

I still own a Behringer Composer, which was also my first compressor. Back when it came out, it was a game changer because it was much cheaper than anything else on the market and not sooo bad

I had that Behringer Composer compressor. It was also my first. Had no idea how to use it though, so must have sold it on. Back then I had an Amiga 1200 with a 68020 cpu running Octamed. Most definitely past me would be insanely jealous of my current setup (12 core CPU, 32gigs RAM and a fair few hardware synths). There's some great music that was made with old gear, back in the day (and some still using that kind of gear today). Our brain's are conditioned to think newer = better sound. But better sound is a very subjective term, and you won't make better music just because your soundcard can recreate sound at 768'000 khz, and the noise floor is so low you can hear your heartbeat.

Brilliant Sage Wisdom, as usual . . . ! . . . :-) (-; . . . We Apprentice You . . . ! . . . :-) (-;

I had an "aha!" Moment a little while back about finding which plugins most closely emulated the real thing...... in most cases, I've never used the real thing, so what do I care how close it is! I have NO idea what a Fairchild sounds like in practice!

Personally I’ve never understood the hype of tape emulation or channel strip emulation. Every now and again I try a demo out just to see if I’m missing the point and each time I close my eyes turn them on and off and can never tell if they are on or off.

The plugin purchasing addiction is real for me but if I am looking for something new, I'm really looking at function over whether something truly recreates something I have never touched with my hands or heard with my ears. The AMEK 200 Console strip is my case in point. Not the venerable SSL 4K that all engineers universally love but the AMEK console works for me. After purchasing so many strips in the hopes of hearing something "magical", the AMEK has something I enjoy working with. Love your videos and the technical breakdown but also appreciate the opinions as well!

For the love of god, people, please stop comparing plugins to their analogue counterpart, ESPECIALLY with the pots just all set at the same number. They’re all fine.

Hi Dan, I don't think you have done a video on the Oxford/Sonnox "Inflator" yet? That would be most interesting. Many professional mix & mastering engineers swear by it. However, there are multiple videos were people have used a wave shaper with a simple curve and it virtually nulls. If so it's usual non sale price tag of around £150 is quite controversial!

Anyone who hasn’t had to smack the console several times a day in order to quickly get the channel strip to pass semi-clean audio again, hasn’t lived.

at this point in time analog is nothing more than low resolution digital. :) in the past "analog" used to be the highest resolution we could produce and analyze. and when it comes to anything recorded or amplified, everything reduces to that elementary charge of an electron. that's not analog, it's quantized. the "elementary charge" is not a smooth field, it comes in incremental steps. nothing is analog it just appears that way when observed w/ poor enough resolution. sound waves included. ------------------------- yes, it is possible to 'trap' and 'use' single phonons. work is being done w/ superconducting qubits, an alternative to photon superconducting qubits. because of the lower speed compared to photons, different modes (fq) can be used w/ phonons, opening the possibility of 'multi-core' qubits. to increase the processing power of a quantum computer, additional qubits are added. but if one qubit could process information w/ multiple modes the result is also an increase in processing power.

I'm waiting for the Dan Worrall "Dirty Pot" plugin. Make your channel strip plugin sound truly authentic - just the 1980's!!! The skin could look like a can of contact cleaner with the word "contact" crossed out and hand-written "duster" superimposed.

Glad you're getting your health figured out. Wishing you the best. And thanks for bringing up socialized healthcare. The usa healthcare system is a mess. Private Healthcare has almost killed me many times. It cost $1,000,000 every 5 years for me to stay alive thanks to a genetic immune deficiency that I was born with. I've been forced into poverty thanks to the American gree

Dan did you steal my saying ‘Oil of Snake’ on your vid thumbnail? Have you been browsing the comments on Wyste’s channel? Or are we same minded? Yours Mr Oil.

a lot of plugins are really just cosmetic -- eye candy for customizing the gui of your production environment. That's not a bad thing, I do love the stock limiter in Audacity where I do my mastering, but I will admit that Pro-L lays out the info in a much more intuitive way.

I do not miss analog. I can get a better mix today, on my laptop, on calibrated headphones, than I could with a quarter mill of gear in a tuned room back in the 80s. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. Plugins don't drift thermally, suffer component failure/ageing and don't have to be routinely calibrated and/or repaired. Don't have to tune the room seasonally. Of course, soon AI will make all of the audio engineers job unnecessary.

At the same time we’ve watched you compared Amek and ssl plugins with regard for the authentic differences.

Wait, what? My buying a strat won't automatically elevate my playing to Hendrix' likeness??? Have we been lied to? ;-) Ha ha ha

really nice reminder about the wonder of mixing, thanks!

Listen, Dan. I love what you do. I agree with you on many things, and I have praised you here fairly often. I think you are absolutely right about the bullshit the right wing has been selling around the world, and about the devastating consequences it already has on the vulnerable populations of countries where these fools have influence. Poor people, people ethnically or "racially" out of step with their national majorities, women, the old, and the sick (you, me, and too many others) are both the first to be injured by the attacks of fear, hate, and greed that drive the right wing (and the reason humans first formed stable societies, in much simpler ages, to care for loved ones and friends we wanted to keep close). I agree with that stuff. However, I don't know what this all-good software is that you're talking about. Yes, recording back in the old days could be a horrible experience and it was demanding, but the demands were straightforward. One needed people who could play and people who knew which devices to place where to capture and to tape sound. Editing was monstrous and demanded precise reperformance, which often required clever use of track space to minimize ensemble precision in punching in group edits. Much more planning and skill was involved then than music production requires now. Back in the dark ages, there were no days or weeks lost setting up devices and software only to have that work lost because of errors or thoughtlessness of people not related to a given production. The amount of time devoted to the care and feeding of computing equipment and its software guts is bad for everyone. In our rosier moments we forget just how much time all of us waste on this crap all the time. We regularly pay money to do quality control work for tech companies, even when we are lucky enough to find certain vendors who are uncommonly conscientious, like FabFilter or U-He, who require less wading through unconscionably lazy errors and lazier design nonchoices that eat time in nibbles and in gluttonous, multicourse meals. You may not often notice, but having your settings change after you think you have set them and you know you saved them is not unusual. Among other reasons, it can happen by way of unintended consequences of coding errors, of copy-protection errors, and of compatibility conflicts (any of which can crash sessions, lose recordings, and worse), or for reasons involving the intended consequences of actions governments and tech companies did not intend for us to notice (typically involving surveillance programs that run automated code to maintain backdoor access to our systems, which sometimes change characters that can be interpreted as control codes outside contexts in which those control codes have any actual use - resulting in changed settings, errors, noise, and much worse mischief, about which everyone not familiar with this stuff expresses blank bafflement and curses computing). These errors - before we even get to criminal malware of all sorts and frequent hardware failure, even for pricy gear - and many, many others, in music wares and in general computing mean that we certainly do not save the time we were promised we would save. In fact, everything, more or less, takes longer with computers and software, unless (a) we can't play any instruments or (b) we have no money but somehow have a computer with free software or (c) we are just copying and rearranging existing work (loop music, maybe, though even then any big project, like a song, winds up being a time sink when you count sorting through the oceans of bad options to get to anything worthwhile), provided you do not plan on doing anything out of the ordinary. We could review ways making music, or working on anything, on computers is far from the dance-inducing delight tech companies portray it to be in their video advertising. Does software do some great stuff? Yes, and it does more great stuff better than it did ten years ago, which is good, because software is still bad in many ways. For speed and reliability, hardware built to do a certain thing will always do that thing quicker and better than a computer we use to do the same task. The strength of standard computers is not that they replace specialist hardware. It is that we can do approximately the same things on computers and many other things besides, if we take the time and deal with the tedium, frustration, and occasional insanity of working with the limitations and corruptions we find in the computing world (which considerations creep into chip/processor-dependent hardware). We are all bought into this ecosystem to such an extent that we cannot easily move to purpose-built gear like we had in the dark ages - much of which, with maintenance, still works, which will not be true of any of the computing-related gear we use forty or fifty years from now - even if we wanted to do, not least because the distribution of music has been chucked whole into the sewer that is the tech/internet world. So we face all the same issues one way or another. Maybe what we need is some good and proper socialist regulation of the tech world to clean up all this libertarian self-indulgence and greed - and increasing comfort with authoritarianism - driving much of the shameless crapfest tech has become since the nineties. Of course, weeding out with the surveillance thing from the reactionary forces in "law enforcement" and "intelligence" agencies in our governments will need to precede proper regulation of tech's dark side. This leaves us with the assignment of appreciating what we have, demanding better, and not overstating how bad gear was in the old days. Scratchy pots just require cleaning, after all.

Plug in are power full yes … but I don’t think that there’s any software that can rivalise with my Overstayer Modular Channel… 😂

De de de.. F**k the Tories... Keep up the great work, Dan. Also, really appreciate your in depth videos, so please keep them coming. Still look back for knowledge and tips on some of the older Fab Filter tutorials you made, and have been an absolute life saver at times for me when stuck in a mixing rut.

Truth. Obligatory "kids today don't know how good they have it!" I'm sure there's a scratchy potentiometer sample or two if someone really wants that "feature".

I do enjoy the workflow and sound from my now quite healthy collection of channel strip plugins. The Lindell ones and the Sonimus console emulations are a particular favourite. I also think a large part of my studio setup is f**k the Tories.

Kinda stupid comment here, but have been wondering about how old you might be, and you gave it away today by telling me we're the same age. The give away was the Behringer Composer as your first hardware compressor. Same here. Still have it somewhere. Bet it doesn't work anymore, cheap piece of garbage.

As a continuation: tape emulation plugins? (Including video tapes.) My take on that: I don’t remember that tape had that much variation in speed, or that much distortion and high pass either for that matter….

Appreciate the nod to politics on a non-political-subject RU-vid channel. Things are increasingly coming to a head. I feel that not wearing your politics on your sleeve in public is a bit like working in a workplace where nobody knows each others wages. It's a situation that only benefits those who want to exploit others.

Let's do a null test between the Tories & Labor next time 😅 Just joking hehe I know nothing about British politics Wishing you good health Dan.

Largely agree. Though for argument sake, I think a decent benchmark for whether the marketing claims are adequately legitimate or not, would be if an experienced professional is able to reasonably recreate the classic sound with the plugins or not. Obviously someone like me should not expect instant classic sound magic. Or in short: Is it even possible at all? Which I'd argue is a no, if it's just the basic algorithms in a neat GUI. Also in terms of the politics, I think there's rather more at play. In a somewhat adjacent country, when you had a lefty government, ours was right-leaning. And while yours went towards the right, ours moved ever more to the left. Under the right-leaning, hospitals were mostly functioning. Now under the leftists, we have people being scheduled for urgent life saving surgeries in 2035. Sadly this is not a joke.

All good, except when a company asks for a relevant amount of money to get their wonderful channel strip which should mimic the best and more musical aspect of a vintage equipment... and it doesn't actually. This is a form of snake oil that should be brought out to the attention and eliminated...

Dan we all love your videos, you have helped so many with your knowledge. My personal opinion, for whatever it's worth is to not bring up politics in these videos, it seems to me to be a quick way of splitting your audience, and most of us here just want to nerd out about music production and mixing techniques. I'm aware that ignorance is not bliss, and i agree with you in regards to the current state of the UK gov, as most probably would, i'm just saying there's a time and a place. That's all i have to say, keep up the good work old boy, we appreciate you :).

Yes, it’s a terrible idea. Deliberately lowering the fidelity of every channel some random amount. Why not just give us a cool plug-in that does what it says, no “intelligence” please. Oh yeah. One more thing, I have consoles with analog circuits and the last thing on earth I want is for those channels to have any difference at all.

Snake oil is undervalued... Very medicinal stuff, you know!

As a socialist living in Canada, I will always be grateful that during the two robot-assisted surgeries it took to save my kidney, the hardest choice I faced was what to order for breakfast the morning after surgery. I chose the omelette both times. They were delicious.

re: 'low effort' videos (Actually, Dan, I think we missed you so much, we'd listen to you read the phone book.)

I don't think the video is doing well because it was low effort, it's probably because the point of the video was short and concise.

Perhaps you ought to try "rambling and incoherent" next. Watch out algorithm, here comes Dan.

Regarding your closing statement on this video regarding socialism, I live in Norway and it is in essence a socialistic system, and having to wait a year for treatment is very common here as well. It has more to do with how well a wellfare state is working or not, but we also have the option to get quicker treatment in the private section, but you ofc that is reserved for people with money.

Please don't tailor your content based on RU-vid algorithm stats. Stay true.

A bad worker will always blame his tools . No a good worker never blames his tools . An ok worker sometimes blames his tools and enters into a subscription model to use 2 of the plugins . I love voxengo

My first channel strip plugin was the brainworx bx_console SSL 4000 E. It was mind blowing how such a package was so light on resources and easy to work with. I used it everywhere, and when they announced the 9000J I was ecstatic to have it asap. Turns out the next best thing is not so much different than the current best thing. It reminds me of the recent release of Oeksound's Bloom, where suddenly a lot of people seemed to collectively believe that doing EQ is now finally possible. It's crazy how marketing works, because it worked temporarily on me until I realized I actually already owned the same thing (Smart EQ 4). By the way, high effort video idea? Bloom vs Smart EQ vs Gullfoss vs Wavesfactory EQ. Would be fun to hear your perspective on this new generation of EQs. I resisted against it a lot until Smart EQ4 won me over with all the new features.

Paid plugin reviews say that this man is a dirty liar. Blind tests prove that he's 100% accurate.

Imo, the only big notable difference between plugins and analog gear these days, is the 'tactile' feeling. It'd be cool if BX/PA made a controller, designed to seamlessly work with ALL of their channel strips.

4:00 yeah i think some of this is just gonna happen by the nature of recreating specific older gear. if you instead of modeling one channel strip, you model each bit individually, with the ability to swap each piece in and out, that opens up the conversation that they are different things with different sounds for different uses, not magically better. or even better, learn from analog modeling techniques and gear of then and now and make something from scratch. rather than trying to emulate something exactly, instead focus on making it sound good, whether that is subtle or has a very specific tone it does.

Comfort and efficiency is the honest way to market them, but far less sexy than saying CLA is mixing for you inside your pc

I am 110% with your conclusions around 4:00. Matter of fact, if it is digital, it is good quality because 01001110001 never degrades. Sadly most of those channel strips are harder to use than discrete tools; which means that the heavily suggested implication that possession of the absurdly-GUI'd frippery will suddenly raise the incontinent to uber-Profulness is probably perfect for those who like such Trumpfoolery. Speaking of political humoristics... ...healthcare under isms X vs Y, may be suffering under a correlation-causation discrepancy there. Especially if, as in most woodnecks these days, the Socialists act more like Feudal Warlords and the Capitalists more like frightened wannabe YouBoob influencers. :-)

The "socialist" boogeyman is just part of the false dichotomy pushed out by the people who make Thatcher and Reagan look like card-carrying Soviets! I've even seen people calling for-profit mutuality (e.g. insurance) "socialism" 🤣