I have owned gas and diesel and currently have a diesel pusher with 198000 miles in her and it's still moving along with no issues, yes there have been repairs, injectors, fuel pump and some odd and ends here and there. I haven't heard of many gas motorhomes out there with that many miles on them if any. Going to be pretty hard fetched to see a Gasser with that many miles and still going strong. And my diesel generator has over 9000 hours on it as well. Good luck getting that on a gas..
That's one of the real strengths of diesel engines. They just last and last. So if you drive your RV a lot, a diesel engine could be a great investment. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I have owned 9 motorhomes. The first 4 I owned were gas. The last 5 have been diesel. I would never ever own a gas motorhome again. Fuel mileage and torque of the diesel far surpass any gas engine.
Yes and you too. It seems you also found the perfect fit for your needs. I was only commenting based on my own personal preferences. I am a mechanic so being broke down is no big deal. The last time I was broke down was in a motorhome with a Ford engine. It being a Ford wasn't the problem. The fuel pump went out with over 100 gallons of fuel in the tank. Luckily I was able to use the leveling jacks to raise the coach up after I blocked up under the gas tank so I could get the pump out. It's funny now to look back on it, but I wasn't laughing then.
@@timallbritton3716 That's a big advantage to be able handle your own mechanical repairs Tim. It can save a lot of hard-earned money! I'm still learning, but I've figured out a lot already.
@@a-atheist Never had a problem with diesel sitting and gunking up my boat or RV or trucks or my tractors. I have let diesel sit in my farm storage tank and tractors for more than 5 years with no problems. :)
We learned with our very 1st travel trailer that they (RV's) are Luxury items. If you're worried about gas milage you probably shouldn't be owning an RV. Diesel is the bomb, in more ways than one$. When driving in my friends THOR toy hauler, it had a 10 cylinder ford. We were in Arkansas that thing was Constantly hitting the passing gear, and it got old quick. We are in the hunt for a Class C and it WILL be a diesel! Thanks for helping me make a good decision!
The new Super Cs are fantastic RVs Dave. That may be a good place to start your search. The diesel engines in those rigs are all out front too which makes it much easier to work on. And the chassis can support a lot more weight than traditional Cs.
Concerning the fuel costs, not only does diesel in my area cost SIGNIFICANTLY more than gasoline, but you forgot to include the mileage factor. A gas-engine RV will get, depending on options, between 8-11 MPG. The diesel pusher will be lucky to get 5 MPG. Also, since rarely do motorhome owners exceed 5,000 miles a year, the longevity of a big diesel is not outweighed by the cost. The opposite is true for long-haul trucks. It all depends upon your use and needs.
It sounds like you are not in the US Thomas. I have heard from several folks that diesel prices outside the US are often cheaper than gas. But in this country it is usually the opposite. Also my diesel pusher averages 7 - 7.5 MPG and that seems to be pretty common among the DP owners that I know. Regarding engine longevity, it's not so much the actual life of the engine that is often attractive to RV buyers. It's the fact that diesel engines usually go so much longer before they require a rebuild. Many gas engines in RVs need to be rebuilt after passing 100k. Sometimes less.
8-11mpg sounds high for a gas RV. My 34ft gasser with a Ford v10 never got better then 7mpg. My 39ft with an ISL 400 diesel gets 7-8mpg depending on how fast you push it.
@@alant759 Driving style is everything, of course. In my truck driving days, I could average about 8 mpg hauling 26 tons of cargo. My old Winnebago, a 1982 Warrior with a Chevy 350, could do 11 mpg on mostly highway travel. I miss that old RV.
I disagree totally. I just drove from Las Vegas to Virginia 2500 miles, pulling a TOAD (dolly), and averaged 10 MPG at 74 MPH. Now I have changed my rear tires size so I'm running at 1,750 RPM at 74 MPH, which for my Engine, is perfect. My cousin that has the same size RV running gas got less than 7 MPG at the same speed. Also, he lost sooo much speed with event the smallest grade and I pulled them all losing almost no speed, even on the steepest grades. With a good fleet gas card (open road) the pricing is very close.
Yes sir, diesel does cost more per gallon, but it has more BTU per gallon than gasoline, so more energy content per gallon, which is why diesel generally get better mpg than equivalent gas engine... Thanks for the awesome video, I like the format you presented the information.
I’d like to add the brilliant compromise for those who don’t need a 45’ Prevost coach, a diesel class A. Smaller, lighter, more maneuverable, but without the aggravation, lack of power, and banshee screaming up the dosiest of hills that a gasoline engine will bring, not to mention a diesel will also make inverters and PTO’s more feasible, but Ram, GM, and Ford all offer diesels in the same frame class A’s use now. Am I crazy, or is this an overlooked concept?
RV Inspection And Care RV Inspection And Care please correct me, but I see the classification of rv’s as full size diesel coaches, medium sized gasoline puller engined buses, and pickup based RV’s. What I gather is that diesel is only generally offered in the large coach based RV’s, as opposed to the smaller gasoline bus-ish RV’s, and the pickup chassis rv’s.
I use Prevost as a brand as that was the only RV I’ve gotten to know. The smaller ones I see on the road appear as the mid sized gasoline pullers, which is why I don’t use Winnebago as a brand, as if I’m not mistaken (though I’m not firing on all cylinders myself) Winnebago straddles the line between diesel pushers and gasoline pullers, Prevost only doing diesel pushers.
I don`t know about In the USA but here in Australia i find the diesel RV`s are much much better maintained than the Gas ones , It seems that here if your spending the extra for a diesel you are usualy an ex truck driver ,, I have owned 7Rv`s 3 were gas ,, Yes i had to rebuild every one of them ,,,Now i stick to diesel ,,,
Thanks for sharing your experiences R.J. It seems that outside the US there is a whole different story about the differences between gas and diesel RVs. For instance, I have had several people tell me that diesel fuel is actually much less expensive than gas in many countries. But one thing that remains constant is what you mentioned. Diesel engines outlast gas engines by a wide margin.
great infos... if i may add, i don't find diesel pushers to be that smooth riding... i'am at my second rv with air bags, and this last one i'am driving is 38 foot . With over 26,850 pounds, riding on 2 air bag (in the back).... they have to be filled with air to the maximum to support the weight, making them very hard (?) ( just like a soccer ball vs a child's balloon, they don't feel the same when they hit your face :) ) Hope this info helps futur buyers
I've driven Diesels since 1973 Diesel is the only way to go but if you know nothing about diesels you need to learn things break on all vehicles and you better be prepared to pay over double for parts and labor to work on.a diesel.
You are so right about the cost of both parts and labor to work on diesel engines. So a new RVer needs to honestly assess whether they are prepared for those kind of costs or not. Thanks for watching and commenting!
You need to do the pro's and con's of diesels pullers, probably addressing the most common diesel puller used for RV's: the Sprinter. Besides fuel mileage of around 16 mpg, you have almost none of the pro's and most of the con's of diesel pushers. At around 25'-26' chassis length, you can put them almost anywhere, but rough roads like on BLM or Forestry lands will tear them up. We hate our 6-cyl turbo-diesel chassis after 3-1/2 years, but love the Winnebago mini-Class A floorplan that rides on it and that's the only reason why we have kept our's.
Thanks for the video subject suggestion HT. I'll put it on the list .... :-) And thanks very much for sharing your experience with Sprinter chassis issues. Class Bs are among the hottest selling RVs right now. So it's good for other RVers to hear about your off-road experiences.
Hi David. Most of the pitfalls in Class Bs are pretty much the same as mentioned in the video. They usually have to do with diesel engines being more expensive to repair. But the good news is that the engines are smaller and more easily accessed in most cases. So you have a lot more available service centers for those diesel engines than for the Cummins and Cat repair centers for Class As.
I routinely pass diesels going up the hills with my gas coach. The whole "mountain driving" advantage for diesels is more a matter of normally aspirated vs. turbocharged, rather than the fuel type. Normally aspirated gas engines lose about 3.5% horsepower / thousand feet of elevation. Not sure what a turbo-charged diesel loses, could be 0. It's all about horsepower to weight ratio. A lot of your downside issues with diesel pushers have to do with length. A 33 foot diesel pusher is just as maneuverable as as 33 foot gas coach. Pretty much everything else is correct, from my prospective.
Length has quite a bit to do with Class A coaches in the real world. That's because diesel pushers tend to be closer to 40+ feet simply because diesel engines can handle that extra weight. Gas powered coaches tend to be shorter because gas engines don't handle moving that extra heavy weight nearly as well. And that's why commercial trucks have diesel engines too. But thanks for sharing your perspective.
What is the difference in handling and drivability? Do the Diesel Pusher have a lower center of gravity? I live close to the Ozarks so braking and cornering are important considerations. Excellent info.
From my experience, most RVers I know would probably give the nod to diesel pushers when considering handling. The air ride suspension usually makes for a better overall ride than gassers, although when a gasser's suspension is properly tuned, the difference is not as much as some make it seem. But DPs really shine in mountainous areas like the Ozarks. It's hard to beat the extra torque that a diesel engine provides to get that heavy weight up the mountain, and the exhaust braking coming down the other side is a real pleasure to have. With that said, if a person knows how to properly downshift a tranny, gassers can still do well in the mountains. But it's just a lot easier and more effortless in a DP. I hope that helps.
Hi Ike. I'm not sure what you are saying but I think you are choosing a gas powered RV since you won't be going up and down mountains much. If so, I agree that diesel pushers handle that kind of terrain well, but if you know how to drive a gasser you can still manage mountain driving pretty well.
Great comparison. Looks like diesel engines are just more industrial, heavy duty built! I'm guessing there's even more to consider. Are there any pros/cons between them for cold (or hot) climates? I have cats, they are less stressed when it's quiet so I figured gas engine in front is better (they hide in the back). But when you talked about air ride... that sounds like a game changer. Can that be added to a gas RV? Anyway, I do value and prioritize quiet, smooth and comfort. Another item is unclear... how is the diesel exhaust brake better than compression braking in the gas engines? Thanks for your video.
Hi Josh. If you are thinking about upgrading the suspension on a gasser to rival a diesel motorhome, you might check out Liquid Spring suspension systems. You can even get it installed on a new Tiffin from the factory. Here is a link where you can check it out - liquidspring.com/rv-suspensions/ And here is an article that discusses engine and exhaust braking - www.rvtravel.com/motorhome-braking-system-options/ I hope that helps.
I drove semi for more then 10 years . What I did not know about RVs is that you have DEF on them now what I seen across the lower 48 is DEF is roughly 2.50 gallon how big is the DEF tank on RVs
Riding the Road agreed, if I’m traveling just 4,000 miles a year and not towing a lot of weight a diesel pusher might be an over kill. I personally have a class a gas, but I moved to it from a fifth wheel due a change in travel requirements and enjoyment. Can’t say I’ll never have a diesel, but don’t see it now, just like I’m not interested in a class b.
That's true James. You have to read all the fine print too. But diesel engines are so expensive to repair if a major problems happens, you'll be glad that you have a warranty that covers the engine components when it does. Major engine repairs on a gas coach can be expensive too, but usually not like a DP.
I've never owned a diesel-powered vehicle. Living in the Midwest, motors literally freezing is a real concern that people talk about. Do diesel pushers have low temperature concerns or are they mitigated with some kind of automatic heating solution?
Most diesel pushers come with an engine heater for those very cold nights. We have one on our rig and it makes a huge difference starting the RV in cold weather.
We new to RV looking to buy our first either a tow toy hauler or a desiel but mainingvtraveling to dog shows and hunting in fall with dogs 3 dog boxes instead of couch will be required
Hi Rebecca. Buying your first RV is special. It takes a lot of thought and education about the RV options that are out there. I found that we benefited a lot by going to RV shows and visiting dealer lots. We would just take our time and go through and get familiar with each kind of RV and decide what layout fit us best. Pretty soon we got to know exactly what we wanted. I hope you find the perfect RV for your needs!
Can't tow more than 4,000 # to 5,000 # with any gas RV. That forced us to purchase a DP. The cost of our DP was less than some gas RVs. Just food for thought.
@@RVInspectionAndCare Thanks, We purchased the shortest DP (33.3') with the fewest frills that was available at the time. Our rig has vinyl floors, laminate counter tops, no special central controls such as lighting etc., no automatic air dump. We did choose to do certain upgrades that were strategic in nature such as in motion satellite, solar panels, locking rear differential (we are in snow country), AGM batteries. Fortunately because we were careful with what we purchased we were able to pay it off. We really love the air ride suspension. We previously owned a gas motorhome that was very close to the same size. We spent a lot of money trying to get rid of the noise and heat from the engine. The turning radius was horrible compared to the DP we have. Our gas rig had a 45 degree wheel cut and a 218" wheelbase and our DP has a 55 degree wheel cut and a 208" wheelbase. This is much nicer. Finally having a very quiet inverter diesel QD6000 generator so we are not disturb in our sleep with the generator running. It is so quiet that it doesn't bother our neighbors either.
My concern with diesel is the availability of gas stations in small rural areas that have diesel gas. I don't want to get out somewhere & not be able to find a gas station. Has this changed?
That's hard for me to say Liz as we usually travel major highways with our rig. I haven't noticed any shortage of diesel fuel availability almost anywhere though. Usually, if you can get a gas at a station, they also sell diesel. But you may want to do more thorough investigation on the matter before you buy. Maybe ask some boondockers what they think about it since they are often in more rural areas.
3 gas now a pusher... never will I go back to gas. And my cost of ownership is not higher with the pusher, it is higher quality and able to handle the loads and roads = less repairs
Recently retired from Ryder as a mechanic for 35 years, I know that the cost of repairs for the small block diesel 28 ft straight trucks are A LOT more than say a Ford F 450 or bigger with the 10 cylinder V8 of equal hp. If there is water in the fuel what can happen, injectors and other damage can happen in just say 100 miles!! Gas engines even with fuel injection would only have less power that a small amount of alcohol would solve. With the emissions standards placed on the new diesels, this has cost both the life span and the fuel economy of these engines that in my opinion, GAS & Diesel now get similar mileage fuel/gas/lifespan! Then when repairs are needed for both, it is much easier to get repairs say at a Ford Service dept with a Ford F 450 30 ft RV with dealerships in every city of nominal size while diesel shops are much less available! My son in law asked me what would I buy? My answer was a RV with ether a Ford or GMC chassis/engine as they are very reliable, cost much less and if maintained well, will last hundreds of thousands of miles.
@@RVInspectionAndCare People don't realize the difference in the Diesel engines from 2000 to today!! Todays Cummins inline 300 hp six has two turbochargers, an ash collector exhaust system that every 2 hours sends a 4 ft blue flame out the exhaust starting fires and twice the size radiator to handle the added heat these engines produce for lower emissions! Then the uric acid that has to be injected with the fuel to help clean it up is another expense plus the inconvenience???
Awesome Willie! I have made several videos about different RV classes and their pros and cons. So be sure to check them out as well. The more good information you have before you buy, the better. I hope you find the perfect RV for your needs!
Any ideas or comments about good extended warranties? I am looking to upgrade from my first travel trailer to a class c. I was leaning towards gas but I do remember my f150 being underpowered on roads that didn't have steep inclines. We stayed East coast but would love to see the West. My f150 with its small 3.5 engine would never make it.
A lot of RVers use Wholesale Warranties for extended coverage and I have heard pretty much good things about them. You can check them out here - wholesalewarranties.com/
I have gas ford 460 with banks power pack and hi flow heads and bigger cam and it's legit 670 HP on dyno after the build. My class a is 38 ft long and it goes fast on freeway I can hit over 120 mph and off the line it's fast as well. It has over 800 ft pounds of torque . Gas or diesel is up to each application. For me I love gas engines. For an RV that I would drive around the country I would rather have a deisel pusher. I'm sure in a race my 460 will smoke any new pusher on a race as well as sounding cooler
@@RVInspectionAndCare I did most of the work myself besides the block work and head work was done in a shop and transmission shop had to build transmission . Electrical is the only thing I am not too overly confident in myself with. RVs are fun hobby too if you live in one , it becomes a non stop fix project as things stop working one after the other I'm learning about 25 year old Rvs now and lucky mines an overland mallard built tough in the 1990s . Osh kosh chaisis and solid build was over 200 thousand in 1995. Wow. Scrap value now once engine is out
I do not have a class A, I am looking. I feel diesels are much stronger and quieter than gas and the increased cost may be justified. Gas units are definitely noisy with the engine where you sit. The big problem I find with diesels are the licensing requirements. Many jurisdictions view these diesels as a dump or cement trucks from a weight and air brake view. They all weigh over 25,000 pounds, whereas the gas vehicles are much lighter. Where I live, I need a truck license with an air brake endorsement along with a valid medical to drive a diesel pusher.
Hi Brian. It's true that some states require additional licensing for certain big rigs. So if you live in those states and don't wish to get that license it would be another consideration when comparing diesel vs gas RVs. Any RV under 26,000 lbs. appears to be safe from additional license requirements though. Thanks for bringing that up in the discussion.
7-27-23, I am a semi retired trucker(No I will not admit I am retired). Question, How much use do you have on cruise? with gas , do you have a vacuum gauge ? with a diesel do you have a boost gauge? I got average bobtail with my Pete9 to 11. I think this will be interesting for me. 2008 rented large Cruise America Gasser and was doing 13 Till the A/C went out. I have wild ideas and even smooth driving is one of them. Pickup in San Diego, CA. Go to Tampa, Fl average 9 all the way so I am looking forward to something new. Does a DP have the J-19 plug up front?
Well back in my day, as we drove a travel trailer down a big hill, a gas one, we would just gear it down, we didn't and steal don't need a engine brake, and the Diesel engine needs lots of parts, that the gas engine would not need, it just pays less to have a gas engine, and there lighter too, and you want to talk a bout the Diesel pushers o m g they should not have mad them.
It's true that if you have more money to spend you can get more features and amenities. But there are some very good gas powered Class As that are much less expensive than diesel pushers. And they can fit the bill very nicely.
I wish an Innovative RV Builder would get with it and make a gasoline Pusher. I understand it's been done before but nothing lately, it just seems that one of the larger manufacturers with some integrity be able to make some big sales on that.
Hi Jim. Unfortunately, RV manufacturers are not known as a whole for being very innovative. There are lots of ideas that RVers themselves bring to their attention as suggestions each year, but very few make it into production. I wish the industry listened to their customer base better.
Many of the diesel pusher are sat on a Freightliner chassis. It has the same engine, transmission and braking system (air brakes) of the larger 18 wheelers. Because of that many states are now requiring people to get special license to drive them. The non CDL version of a class B or class A license (Texas requires it now).
@@midnight4109 Yes it goes by GVWR. 26,001 or more and towed vehicle is greater than 10,000 requires Class A or B. Class B if the combination weight is 26,001 and towed vehicle is less than 10,000. Most of the Diesel pushers have a GVWR rating higher than 26,001 and can tow trailers greater than 10,000. Not to mention the air brakes which also takes a separate certification.
@@nathan.brazil780 That was the case in Texas. In some states a "regular" license is a class D but in Texas a class C. Here in S Carolina my Texas class B recreational became a class F.
I would say gas makes the most sense to people that aren't going to dive it that much Your RO would take too long , a gas motor would be done at 100K simply because it would just have to work so hard . i also would not want a 07 and later DEF coach def repairs are big money its a terrible system that dealers I'm sure love because of the $$$ they bring due to service . it might be getting better but its a stupid solution for "emisions"
Hi Cheryl. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Actually all engines need to be run periodically to keep their components operating like they should. Also, your tires need to be run on the road for a while in the same manner to keep the oils in the sidewalls distributed well throughout the tire. So if you have the RV in a stationary spot for a while I always recommend taking it out for a good run on the open road every month or so anyway. Also be aware that gasoline doesn't like to sit for a long time without being used either. I hope that helps.
Sorry but I don't think I can get that specific about diesel powered RVs. Actually, most diesel pushers use either a Cummins or Caterpillar engine. And newer coaches mainly have Cummins engines since Caterpillar stopped selling their diesel engines to the Class A RV market a few years back. But if you are just trying to compare Winnebago and Tiffin, my take on that is that they both make a good product in general.
RV Inspection And Care now you can get Cummins, Detroit’s, or Volvo’s, Cummins has the gross majority of the market. One advisory, a reputable coach will have at smallest an ISL9 or a DD8, which are great engines, but shy away from the 6.7 ISB. They are either underpowered and overloaded, or are turned up so high, to ratings comparable to the larger engines, which is harder on them than a more powerful engine with same rating. Also add that the ISB has exhaust brakes, anything else ought to have legit engine brakes, Cummins having the trademark Jake brake. If I’m not mistaken, Prevost is the only manufacturer with Volvo engines, great powertrain, and the Volvo I-Shift is a brilliant transmission.
I have never driven a motorhome butI am thinking about buying a used push diesel class A. I like the idea of an engine brake. However I see sign on the highway that say NO JAKE BRAKE. The sign confuses me. If the motorhome has an engine brake is the motorhome my allowed in that area of the highway?
Good question. One of the nicest features about having a diesel engine in your RV is having an engine brake to help with going down long steep grades. It helps save the use of your wheel brakes and you don't have to use them nearly as much or run the risk of their failure before you reach the bottom of the grade. But some RVers like to run with the engine brake on most of the time, even when they are not in hilly areas. Truckers often use their engine brakes a lot too. The only problem is that an engine brake, or jake brake as some call them, can be loud. And if a lot of trucks and RVs are going near residential areas with their engine brake on, it can become annoying. So some communities pass laws against the use of these brakes in their area since there is no safety issue in not using them there. Engines brakes can usually be turned off and on as you wish, so just make sure that you turn it off in these areas where they are prohibited. Personally I don't use it unless I am on steep roads. I hope that helps.
@@janosvarga962 Thanks for your comment Janos. I personally don't use the exhaust brake very much myself either, but it doesn't seem to cause any major problems even if you did leave it on all the time. In fact, there are several full-timers on the online forums who say they leave their exhaust brake on continuously without any issues. But everybody needs to do what is best for their situation and their rig.
That is one of the biggest disadvantages of diesel pushers Mark, they do cost more than gas coaches. Of course, I think some of the costs are exaggerated by some a little bit. But there is no question that if you want to keep your RV repair and maintenance costs as low as possible, a diesel pusher is probably not the best choice. I also believe in having an extended warranty to cover any major repairs on DP engines too. That can help reduce the risk of high repair bills some.
That's a valid point. Choosing between diesel and gas RVs often comes down to cost. The cost of the RV itself and of possible repairs in a DP is almost always higher.
It’s only a $100k if you get a luxury DP. The low end DP units without the frills are only slightly more expensive or even similar to a comparable gasoline rig.
@@MichaelSturtz And honestly, if you are buying a luxury coach with a DP, the cost of repairs and maintenance should not be a problem for you. If you can afford the coach, you can afford the costs that go with it. And as you say, if you are buying a lower cost coach with a DP, it pays to run the cost comparison between getting the DP and the gas engine.
@@robhilgert1550 weight made a big difference in were we could drive it. Cost to maintain went from hundreds to thousands. If all we did was drive on nice big highways diesel is much nicer, but costly, although for double the weight milage was the same, so cost of fuel is much better on diesel. But if you like to drive through small towns, small roads, or drive on grass, l found the lighter gas motor home more versatile and much cheaper to maintain and less skill to drive.
Yes Depending on where you are diesel may cost more per gallon than gasoline however the diesel engine burns less fuel per mile than a gas engine therefore you have fuel savings. $
Honestly John, fuel economy on a DP vs gasser is a wash to me unless you have an EFS card that really lowers your diesel cost at the pump. Just my two cents ....
You are telling us the truth, this is what we are enjoying. We are waiting at a good video on batteries ( lithium, lead acid AGM, converter, inverter, solar panel, do it ourself maintenance, managing 50 amps ....etc thank you again
@@erdnanilon That's a great list list Andre. This is exactly what I need to hear ... I want to know what folks want to hear and learn about, so this is a welcome list. I'll put together a video on batteries real soon. Thanks again for the input!
I really don't think it is really a debate if $$ was not a factor if you are in the market for a Class A motorhome most would buy diesel. But since we all don't have an extra one or two hundred thousand laying around we just plod along in our gas motorhomes...
Hi David. The cost is a big factor with diesel pushers, for sure. Not just the initial extra cost, but all of the upkeep on all of the extras they can stuff into DPs too. I highly recommend an extended warranty on DPs just to be sure the RV owner is protected from the possibility of some really serious repair bills if major components fail.
I'm 63 and considering buying a 2002 Alfa see ya 40' with 330 cat diesel with 77k miles Can you share with me if in your opinion if this is a good unit !
Hi Dana. Alpha made some very unique diesel pushers in those years and a lot of Alpha owners love them dearly. The Cat C7 330 HP engine is the same one that we have. It has a great reputation in general and has performed well for us. But sometimes I wish it had a little more juice to get up the steep hills a little quicker. In general, I would say that with a coach that old the most important question is how well it has been maintained. I would recommend checking to see if there are any maintenance records with it that can tell you how well it has been cared for over the life of the coach. The more records the better. I would also perform a fluid analysis on all of the main components like the engine, radiator, transmission and the same for the generator coolant and engine oil too. That should give you a good idea of what shape they are in at this point. And don't forget to get an inspection by a certified NRVIA RV inspector too!
I appreciate your advice and will check on the things you listed , but its from a private person (family ) so not sure if they will allow me to do that without buying it first ! They did maintain a ledger on what has been done !
Just a word of wisdom Dana. Please be sure not to let your heart become attached to an RV before you have thoroughly checked it out and made sure that it's a good buy. If a seller refuses to allow you to fully examine their RV, I would not be comfortable with buying that particular rig. It could very well have hidden issues that you may not know about and they don't want you to find. There are plenty of good RVs out there to buy, so don't get too attached to just one.
I would be very careful with that RV Dana. Motorhomes are made in such a way that they benefit most by regular use. One of the worst situations is for a motorhome to sit for extended periods of time. It doesn't help the engine, drivetrain, tires, or anything else to sit that long without use. At least make sure that you check it out very thoroughly before purchase.
LOL!! For many RV buyers, choosing between diesel and gas engines really comes down to a financial decision more than anything else. And that's ok because you aren't going to be able to enjoy RVing much if you are always stressed out about the cost of your rig.
Has anyone had the opportunity to own pre-DEF diesel and then move up to the DEF Diesel engine. Any thoughts, has DEF engines changed the quality of running and maintenance?? Thanks
Hello Dwayne . I am a beginner in to RV. Interested in the class A Diesel RV dircyonits towing capability. Would you recommend buying a used Class A Diesel RV under $50 K. Which Diesel RV are less prone to mechanical failures and reliableAll around. which Diesel RV is the best bang for the buck. Thank you.
Hi Tony. There are many great deals to be had for older diesel pushers under $50K. But I would get a good fluid analysis done on an older engine just to be sure that it is mechanically sound. And most older diesel engines will be either Cummins or Caterpillar. Either company makes a great product. As far as choosing from older DPs is concerned, I always liked Newmars, Tiffins, and Monacos myself. But there are other fine coaches too. Just take your time learning about the various brands and make sure to get an RV inspection before you buy.
@@georgetony1000 Good question Tony. All NRVIA certified RV inspectors are trained to perform a high quality inspection for you, so I recommend that you visit nrvia.org and click on the link for "Find An Inspector" at the top of the page. Make a search for your area and it will bring up a list of local certified inspectors to choose from. Always select a Level 2 certified inspector. If you contact each one just select the one that you feel most comfortable with. An RV inspection on an older DP can run from $600 - $1000 depending on what the inspector wishes to charge for his service. It may seem like a lot but it can save you a LOT more money on hidden repair costs.
Yes diesel engines are better .They are stronger and more efishent last longer .They can tow more look at the millatery they still have trucks from ww2 and vetnom still running .You have to take care of them .And on a tank of gas it runs alot farther then gas .You just have to have a preheater in the heads to worm up the engine .
Very true. Diesel engines in general are known for long life and service especially if they are well maintained. Of course, most RVers don't travel much in their RV. In fact, the RV itself usually wears out long before the drivetrain. But if you like to stay on the move and rack up the miles, a DP can be a great choice.
Doesn't it seems like the Diesel pushers are better built. Inside real wood, counter tops, slide outs, chassis... I have been comparing both and it looks that way, to me anyway.
Everything in an RV eventually comes back to weight. And diesel pushers are the RV weight kings because of their heavy duty chassis. So since they can handle a lot more weight than most RVs, it means that you can get the benefit of real wood cabinets, upgraded counter tops, more amenities, etc. These are all extras that most other RVs simply can't handle because it would overload them. But that extra weight also comes at a price too. It means that you have to have a large diesel engine to move it all around, and pretty poor fuel mileage. And all those extra luxuries require a lot more maintenance too. So as it is with everything in the RV world, there are always two sides, the pros and the cons, that must be considered before deciding what is best for you and your particular needs. Thanks for watching and commenting Eric!
You forgot the big one licensing when you go over a certain weight you need a d license and air brake license and in Ontario Canada that's a pain in the ass
Yes, sometimes special licensing is required in certain areas, so that's a good point Rich. I didn't include it as a diesel con because for most people comparing gas vs diesel it's not as big an issue as the other cons that I outlined. Most people by far will not face that issue where they live, especially in the US.
When towing a car behind the class a Motorhome; as far as Motorhome gross vehicle weight; only the tongue weight counts for total cargo, right. How much is that typical when your towing all 4 wheels down?
I'm not completely sure what you are asking Rob. But when towing, you have to pay attention to the listed GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) of the motorhome. This figure means that you add the total weight of the motorhome with passengers to the total weight of the towed vehicle and it has to be under the listed GCWR limit. I hope that helps.
RV Inspection And Care I have a Fleetwood class a gas, and it states just as you noted that the combined weight of occupants and cargo shouldn’t exceed 2,286 lbs, and as an example I have to subtract from this how much water I’m carrying. It also says I need to subtract tongue weight of anything I’m towing. I know the max gross towed weight I can tow is 5,000 lbs, but don’t know how to figure out the tongue weight.
@@robhilgert1550 Here is a couple of links that may help Rob. The first is a good explanation of the various weight designations that need to be understood when towing. It's here - changingears.com/rv-sec-tow-vehicles-understand.shtml The second is an article on how to calculate tongue weight - www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-determine-trailer-tongue-weight.aspx I hope these will be helpful for you.
Well, that's one way to look at it. But honestly, I know RVers who like diesel for both travel and living and those that like gassers for the same reasons. I recommend using my list of pros and cons in this video along with the same list in this video - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-al5uiPDmvH4.html and see whether diesel pushers or gassers fit your needs best. I hope that helps.
I totally understand. We have all been there when we started learning about RVs. You are doing the right thing by trying to learn as much as you can before you buy. It will save you a lot of money and frustration. I wish you the best!
Diesel costs more than gasoline? Really? At the pumps here in British Columbia diesel is on average 80 cents / gallon cheaper than gasoline. ( 20 cents per liter by actual pump display, but 4 liters = 1 US gallon ) Instead of looking for RV service centers than can work on your diesel pusher look for truck service centers, far more commonly found and has staff capable of working on your engine no problem. The right power-train for you is the one that fits your intended use. The Bus Grease Monkey does thousands of miles a year on his converted bus, the cost of which is all a tax deduction and he is his own mechanic. It pays for him to have a diesel pusher. If you are only going to be using it a few long weekends and a couple of weeks, then the costs of diesel might not be worth it. Only you can choose which will be best for your needs.
Hi Jaqui. Unfortunately, I can't track the cost of diesel and gas in other countries. By far, most of my viewers are in the US and here the cost of diesel is often more than gas. But thanks for letting us know how fuel compares in BC.
@@RVInspectionAndCare I figured. :) My comment on fuel cost was more to emphasize the regional costs of fuel can alter drastically. It is actually cheaper for us in BC to go to Washington State to buy fuel, even with diesel being lower cost than gasoline here.
That's because I made two videos at the same time. One about DPs that you are leaving a snarky comment about now, and another one about gassers. If you care to watch the one on gas motorhomes, you'll find it here - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-al5uiPDmvH4.html
