Are Doughboy and Fudge the Same Person? | Boyz N The Hood & Higher Learning Film Criticism 

Many of you are pointing to the fact that Doughboy died at the end of Boyz N The Hood (which we all know happened). Perhaps you're simply reacting to the title of the video, but please consider giving us the minimal amount of credit that we are well aware that Doughboy died and therefore this video must be asking a deeper question. Whether you want to explore that or not with us is up to you... Yes, Doughboy died, but that hasn't got a thing to do with the plausibility of this theory and the question we're asking. 😊

Fudge was about being 100% black and not being a sellout.

I hear Riley so much when hearing Regina talk in her regular voice😭 when she was saying “he could be a she” I’m like yea that was straight up Riley 😂it’s crazy when I was a kid I never even knew she voiced them

Ice cube and Regina have always given brother sister vibes. In Boyz n da hood, I thought they had different mothers, same father. Same vibe in higher learning. When they did Friday and was brother and sister, it was cemented for me😂

The best thing about HIGHER LEARNING is what you said though: you got to see 3 actors (I’m not gonna mention the legendary LAURENCE FISHBURNE )from BOYZ IN THE HOOD in a different light. Showing more range, especially ICE CUBE.

TBH Higher Learning was way ahead of its time. Singleton told sooo many different stories of adult/child dichotomy. I was working with my stepmom when I was 18 and she always called me a man-child. I slightly understood but being a man-child waved it off. Now being a father with kids in college, I understand. They all make mistakes that lead to the end all mass shooting. Again…..WAY ahead of its time

Cant forget douge boy was loyal to everyone he is around even the brother despite the mom showing favoritism as a kid .. And even thought they fought he still show loyalty and love for his brother by going being him when he seen the threat going his way and eventually killing his brothers killer

Fun fact, 2Pac (Likely as Fudge or was supposed to be in Higher Learning as Omar Epps character) Gwyneth Paltro and Leonardo DiCaprio were also casted to star. But the studio refused due to Pac's legal issues. So Paltro and Leo quit out of solidarity

Basically Fudge is Doughboy if he grew up in a good neighborhood..

Do you see the similarities between the characters?

Doughboy quote I use all the time..”First of all, you don’t know wtf I be knowin” 😂

I still want to believe that fudge is the last minutes of life musings of a dying Doughboy, you know, since we're only told that he got got. We never see how long it took for him to actually pass.

Literally the 2 sides of Ice Cubes rap persona ..he’s come off as a gangster in early NWA , then he went east cost started hanging with Chuck D and came back on some more revolutionary type feel

As someone commonly referred to as "Dr Ice Cube", these were most certainly 2 of my fav characters since early childhood. (Thaanks to older siblings) Its hard to choose between the 2. I think this is one of the best alternate movie-verse theories around. If doughboi had been fortunate enough to attend college. It may likely have required 6 years to mature and build enough consistency to finish. Think of the tragedies back in South Central that may have forced bro to pause his education. I lost too many friends and fam while in school. In Addition, ya'll are soo right on the "student loans vs safe room and board" situation so many of us have been in. These are almost akin to "John Singleton Caricatures", in different universes where each is a supporting character in different scenarios surrounding his main character (Trey and Malik). Baby Boi is similar, but different in that is more like the same universe as BNTH, but a different time and characters. Great take as always! Maybe Furius is Fudges Father in real life? lol

This is a great theory/connection happy Friday you two

On the LoveCraft Country Podcast. They talked about How the hierarchy causes noise in communication between black ppl when it comes to what’s possible in life.. the sisters in the show.. Letti and Ruby wanted to apply to work at a Store.. Ruby is dark skinned and Was certain she wouldn’t be hired bcuz she’d tried before and was still trying.. Letti was sure she could get the job.. and Ruby was dedicated to Convincing Letti that she’d be wasting her time.. both are right in their beliefs due to their differing realities.. For Ruby. She wouldn’t have ever been hired, because she didn’t fit the ‘look’.. Letti wouldve likely gotten the job because She did fit the look and seemed to have already benefited through life in certain ways due to colorism and her having the potential to ‘WhitePass’ .. Allat to say.. this movie does a great job of showing that concept.. the noise that the hierarchy creates in communication of possibilities amongst black people.. Especially when the students interact with Phipps .. Despite being a Minority.. He has a Position of Power.. Which-is also limited in power.. His dual position Makes the students feel they can relate to him.. But his superior way of thinking, quickly reminds them that they have different realities. Phipps would be considered an Acceptional Exception.. Which is the term Tom Burrell uses to describe Black People who seem to have defied all odds of oppression, but are distracted by their own success so much, they don’t realize they are being used as Tools to facilitate the oppression , take all the hits, and given everything they need to become what they once despised. Tom Burrell has a book called Brainwashed. I think every black person should read at least one chapter. Or even a couple pages out that book. Fr fr. It’ll blow your mind the way he breaks shihh down.

Great analysis! Fudge was probably my favorite character between doughboy the two.

There's so much I like about Doughboy and Fudge. I think I like Doughboy more because I know more about his background. I understand how he turned out that way. You could see that he was good inside but lacked guidance and love. Doughboy's character was a warning to parents. Fathers, your sons need you, and Mothers, be good to your children.

If Dough Boy had hung out with Fudge, he would have turned out differently.

Wow! That is sad, that people were saying that “Boys In The Hood” and “Higher Learning” were not that deep, because they were considered hood movies!

And that's how I always look at Higher Learning like it was Juice 2 and it was parts on there like he was thinking about his old days of Juice

😂 funny I thought this when I first saw higher learning in the theater.

This was great, I didn’t attend college but my wife graduated UC Berkeley. I showed her this and School Daze and she was like that’s low key how it is😂😂😂

Higher Learning is an example of how adolescents act nowadays, not all people, just specific people: Like jerks, and people who are immature. Or is that just my opinion. Remy from Higher Learning is an example of one

100% they are the same people from parallel worlds in the same universe. odog ends up a preacher.

Rickie just couldn't see the danger surrounding him even though he is being reminded all the time by DoughBoy ever since they were kids..and every time danger happens it's already been predicted by Doughboy who is always correct

So ready to watcht this video. Fudge and Doughboy being the same person? Hmm, very possible. Of course Lawrence Fishburne's two characters are NOT the same person. One is a black American, and the other a Carribean man.

Crazy this popped up cuz i watched boyz in the hood on Thanksgiving telling everybody doughboys is furious son 😂 and at the end i was thinking the same thing especially cuz regina Lawrence and Morris is in both movies now lemme watch this video 😂

Fudge is my favorite

Ay yall should do Menace II Society again and analyze O-Dog supposedly being Caine subconscious

that be great but doughboy is dead tho lol I think hes Craig tho let's be real tho lol beautiful video 💯✌🏼🤙🏼

Shalika was Dough Boy's chick, but he was for them STREETS!

For me it was Doughboy and Fudge. It was hard for me to choose one lol

Woooooo😮ooooooow.....I never thought about Higher Learning this way, but it makes sense..... •Fudge is definitely Doughboy if he was actually raised by his father Furious Styles. • I'm glad that Ricky actually gets a chance to go to college on scholarship. Maybe him playing football would have been to raw of a way to expose a trigger for the audience

Fudge was my favorite

This is dope! 🤯

Felt like doe was resentful alot which caused him to lose the one he loved most if he would have just accepted his role or tried to change his destiny we might have seen another aspect of the movie with dough boy

I like this concept

Nah because if you watch poetic justice when pac was talking to dookie in the car before he goes to his baby mama house dookie says you remember lil d… Darren (dough boys real name) yeah he just got his cap pealed back so yeah we finna go get the foo’s that got him

I never thought about that

Doughboy died at the end of Boyz in the Hood

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Fudge.. Great Stream 🔴⚪️ Mr.Phipps lone 4th wall break was way funnier all of Craig's 3 Fridays and the mysterious last Friday altogether

Do poetic justice and boyz in the hood Janet Jackson's friends brought up dookie and monster when she got into it with Chicago and also dookie was talking to Tupac

If Y'all trip the character in Boys N the Hood that was asking about the crackhead thing he's in Higher learn with ice cubes crew

So you just overlooked the fact that doboy died 2weeks after he left trey porch and higher learning happened 3 or 4 years later but you tryna draw comparisons

Great content. I always thought this. Thanks again 🫶🏾🙌🏾💯

I could see dough being ferris son

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What's going on, watched the video last night, and loved it, but I saw something differently when you were talking about Mr. Philp, Cheri said it, what kind of school will call students out in the middle of class, something along those, I saw it as it wasn't the school that told him to do that, call the students out, it was his decision to do so, remember he added, "There are no hand out", he's thinking, this is my time, my knowledge and if you can't pay, there is no deadline, I don't work for free, get the F*** Out!! Fudge is my favorite of the 2,

NO WATCH BOYZ N THE HOOD, DOUGHBOY DIES A FEW WEEKS AFTER RICKY GOT KILLED

Furious is Doughboys father 🤯

It’s an alternate universe of boyz

Man, its ironic. I just helped sister at work, she was wearing a Boyz N The Hood T-Shirt

Different universe

Fudge

Why was Doughboy murdered?

Doughboy

Doughboy Died at the end of BITH

No it says dough boy dies in the ending of boys in the hood when it talks about what happened to each character lol

Boys in the hood and poetic justice are in the same universe

Doughboy's mom sealed both her boy's fates in that first scene.

Fudge

If the mailman would’ve handed the mail to Ricky on his way out the front gate instead of Ricky’s mom, Ricky could’ve still been alive, because he probably would’ve looked through the mail to see if it was anything for him, seen the letter with his test scores, and delayed going to the store at that particular moment, which would’ve thrown off the timing that him & Trey ran into Ferris & his homies in the red car. But that’s all wishful thinking. Damn Rick!

It's ironic how Deja spent so much time telling Malik that racism didn't affect her life but in reality racism was the reason her life ended.

Man I wish John was still with us so he could answer that question and of course give us some more movies

Fudge is doughboy if he was raised by furious styles all his life

Doughboy had more knowledge than Ricky. Ricky was just sliding by because of his popularity of being a high school football star. But Doughboy was reading and knew a lot about life experiences. Doughboy is a proving fact that without a proper education you can still have a lot of knowledge and smarts.

Fudge was definitely my favorite character !!He was smart , mentally tough and had a good sense of his surroundings. They don’t write characters like that anymore 💯. Love y’all content, constantly looking forward to your videos ❤

You all did a great job on this analysis. I saw this in the movie theatres in the 90s right before I started college. After watching your analysis, it just occurred to me that Fudge may have been in school for 6 years, not as the person taking a long time to finish his Bachelors Degree, but he could have been finishing a Masters Degree. A standard Bachelors Degree takes about 4 years to complete and a Masters Degree is an additional 2 years. He could have graduated with an MBA, but didn't mention it. Fudge also could be a version of what the Professor was in his early education days. Now I have to watch this movie again for the first time in decades to see what I may have missed. Again, you did a wonderful job on your analysis of this classic film.

Fudge is my favorite character. He was very intelligent. Fudge knew that real wealth was knowledge. He knew what the system was all about and he knew how to navigate through it.

Even after Ricky was shot the mom thought Doug Bog did it

Fun fact: Dough boy is based on a rollin 60 crip named Big U. He got out of prison in real life around the same timeline as dough boy in the movie. So you'd have to imagine dough boys life would have played out like Big U's did in real life.

Doughboy & Ricky had an ain't shit mama. The part were they went looking for the body & getting into it with the older kids remind me of Stand By Me but in the hood.

I feel like the Regina King character in both movies are there to challenge ice cubes character like only a female friend can

James carter from Rush hour could've definitely been Smokey from friday as well he went to rehab then joined the Lapd started going by his government name and never came back to hang with Craig 😂😂

Both Doughboy and fudge are favorites. Same person in different environments.

It’s like they are the same person in a parallel universe

I always wanted that raiders hat doeboy had on

The real villain of boyz in da hood is Dough and Rick’s MOM. The whole thing is her fault

I love your take on the possible connection between these movies and completely see it! I’m leaning toward Fudge, because even though he’s resting in his “Seniority”, he’s in college, he’s bettering himself, he’s imparting knowledge and he’s encouraging people to become better by studying for themselves to gain a higher knowledge.

9:08 queen 👑👑👑Regina King👑👑👑,fact for the 10's and 20's babies,she played both Huey and Riley's voices in 👑👑👑👑THE BOONDOCKS 👑👑👑👑,mind blowin ain't it🤯💯💯💯

seeing that Higher learning financial problem scene this for the 1st time as an 8th grader scared me to death, but seeing this back in my 30's as a college grad had me thinking "eh, been there done that. "😏

I was a lecturer at a university for a few years, and the athletic directors informed professors of student athletes taking the course (for scheduling purposes) . LOVE this channel, btw!

Doughboy turned into Craig Jones in the movie Friday think about At the end of boyz in the hood Doughboy had a toxic mom in Friday he had a mother who loved him unconditionally

This is an interesting theory that is well commentated by you guys.

What I also notice is the purging situation shows how certain ppl have jobs being the faces and voices of things.. but they don’t have much power beyond that. The students looked to Phipps to help them with their problem with being purged. But that issue is really above him in a lot of ways

Fudge was Doughboy with hope. Gotta go with Fudge.

Not even 2 minutes into the video,and I already rock w this Theory..a shared or alternate universe! If Tarantino can have one,so can Singeton!

Do shareef from menace to society and him from boyz in the hood football scene🗣⚡️

58:23 after watching this video that seems like a trick question. Now I see more than ever that they are the same person, given a small twist of fate. Doughboy could’ve been told about Frederick Douglas in juvenile detention and given a book about him. Frederick was gangster as hell and Doughboy would have been down with him if given the chance to learn about him. That could’ve been part of his transition . It could also explain why he got stuck at school. Mom wasn’t giving him any constructive criticism. Just a thought.

We need more Fudges in our community ❤😊

Plus in both movies the Police / Law Enforcement only comes out at night. 🌃 🌙 🚓 🚓

Now that i think about it i think thats really how ice cube is and he’s just being himself in these roles.

John Singleton ( RIP) started off as a production assistant/intern on " Do The Right Thing"...he admired Spike Lee...one of the reasons why he probably cast Laurence Fishburne in his movies was because of " School Daze" ...so just like how Spike Lee put Giancarlo Esposito, Bill Nunn( RIP) , Joie Lee, Ossie and Ruby Dee Davis( RIP). ..even Samuel L. Jackson...John Singleton ( RIP) put Regina King in " Boyz N da Hood" , " Poetic Justice " , and " Higher Learning"...Cube, Laurence Fishburne , & Morris Chestnut came back for " Higher Learning " but by the time, John did Babyboy ...everybody had pretty much moved on and became successful or too busy...Tyrese was in " Babyboy" , " 2 Fast 2 Furious " , and " 4 Brothers" because John Singleton believed that he had leading man appeal as a actor.. he felt the same way about 2 Pac...different universes !

The ID thing happened to my son. He was hanging with a group of white kids and someone called about a disturbance in the neighborhood. Out of the 6 white guys 2 white girls and my 1 black son the cops only asked for my son's ID

I see the similarities, but there's still something very different between Doughboy and Fudge. Can't quite put my finger on it. One other difference between Phipps and Furious Styles, is I believe Furious sympathized and related to the young fellas much more than Phipps did.

DOUGHBOY. Doughboy & Fudge were the same character in my opinion.

19:10 Oh man. That credit cards in college part is real. I remember resisting the urge to apply for them and take the free gifts they were offering at first. Then I went ahead and signed up for a couple just to get the free stuff they were offering at the booths on campus. When they arrived in the mail I promised myself I wouldn't use them and even cut one up. But then temptation took over and before I knew it I had maxed them out. Lol And I thought I was the only one that went through that.