Are Fender Having a Laugh? $1500 for a Digital Amp....The New 59 Bassman Tone Master

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00:00 Intro
00:32 Is this digital?
2:45 the good news
4:00 is the Tonemaster series closer than other digital amps?
4:48 Tonemaster on ‪@ThatPedalShow‬
6:26 even for me as a digital guy I think I'd go valve?
7:00 How the Tonemaster stuff is different
7:25 The Fender Tone Master Pro probably shows their modeling isn't necessarily top of the game?
11:00 For the price, I'd buy a used Fender reissue?
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@garrettstiles7808 2 дня назад

I need more than the standard Tone Master 2yr warranty. This can make sense at $1,500 if it’s a near-lifetime purchase; it doesn’t make sense if it’s a couple years then throwaway when anything breaks purchase.

@ScottsGuitar 2 дня назад

Good point

@renula 2 дня назад

my point exactly

@rocktorrocks День назад

Agreed. Classic tube amps can often be repaired and fixed but a digital Tone Master amp may not be so easily repairable. Warranty is absolutely needed on these.

@tiagoramalhais5493 2 дня назад

At least this time someone at Fender had 2 brain cells and actually added an FX loop on this version, still doesn't justify the crazy price tag.

@daniellowry660 2 дня назад

Short answer no. I'd pay an extra 100 for a modeling unit and just get a bassman profile on it

@SlyRyFry 2 дня назад

Yeah you can spend $200 more and get a quad cortex and have everything, including multiple studio quality captures of almost any iconic amp. Not as bad as gibson but they're definitely missing the mark with their modelers.

@siitan83 2 дня назад

yeah but thats not a real bassman with direct out... and you need an frfr box

@daniellowry660 2 дня назад

@siitan83 no you don't. Just pick up a powered speaker that's all you need.

@siitan83 2 дня назад

@@SlyRyFry yeah, but I dont want every amp (+an frfrcab)... I just want the best fender. (right now owning a twinreverb - the newest version). The new bassman really gets my fingers itching

@siitan83 2 дня назад

@@daniellowry660 yeah..thats what I said. Frfr speaker.. is also a speaker

@philipmarsh3522 2 дня назад

Someone at Fender thought that since digital is more or less accepted now, they might as well try to sell cheaply made digital copies of real amps for the ... same price as a real amp. Seems like they are trying to pull the wool but maybe these circuit boards are really really expensive to make in China as compared to, say, a toy. Somehow I doubt this.

@nihilistlivesmatter 2 дня назад

you could argue they have to recover development costs. If prices plummet after these costs are recovered that would demonstrate this. But my gut says your assessment is probably spot on

@NintenDub 2 дня назад

@@nihilistlivesmatterit's built in to the price.knowing that's possible. However, tone master is a tried and true product now, they know what they can expect out of it

@bballgod237 2 дня назад

Hell no. Why would anyone pay that much for a SINGLE amp when you can buy a full Helix, Axe FX, etc for the same price and have all the other amps/effects? They're out of their minds. It should cost no more than the price of a cab plus a little extra to account for the computer parts to implement the model inside

@revolead День назад

I own a TM Twin Reverb, so I'll tell you exactly why: because I don't want to scroll through infinite menus on a computer screen after staring all day at a computer screen at work and a smartphone outside work. I also like owning a high-quality, cool-looking clean amp I can use for practicing in the living room without pissing off my neighbors. I also like having few options because it keeps me practicing instead of messing around with settings. If I want Helix or Fractal level tweakability, I have a whole DAW-based operation upstairs with a pedalboard and a tube recording amp in front of it.

@Zool2107 13 часов назад

@@revolead the thing you and other people with the same mindset always got wrong is that you don't HAVE to "scroll through infinite menus on a computer screen" each time, every time. You make a sound exactly the same way as you would dial in an amp, save the patch, and then all you have to do is turn on a switch, plug in a guitar and start playing. I would say it's even easier, you don't have search for and acquire the amp you want to try out in guitar shops or 2nd hand market, you don't have to lug around dozens of guitar cabinets, you don't have to change out speakers to find the right one - it's all in there a couple of button presses away. I don't really believe that someone who says that he has his amplifier there, and that he can plug his guitar into it at any time and it sounds amazingly good at any time, is being completely honest with himself. He just subconsciously accepted that it sounded like that, and his brain learned to like that sound. Because he knows very well how much it sucks to be able to achieve any kind of development in your sound, how much it costs, how much time and energy you have to spend to find the right equipment, etc. You can't compare the amount of time it takes to find your own sound on physical stuff and to find the same on modeling stuff. I know very well, because for 25 years I searched for sound using tube amplifiers (all kinds of models from Laney, Peavey, Mesa, Engl, Marshall in that order), then I switched to modeling stuff. I learned the ins and outs of it in a couple of weeks, made 5-6 presets for myself and that's it, I just plug in my guitar and play (in my opinion and also according to the members of my band, my stuff sounds the best so far). So at least don't lie to yourself with the excuse of "endless menus" :) Also the fact that you prefer to messing around with settings instead of playing is not the device's fault...

@revolead 10 часов назад

@@Zool2107 I understand that argument. I have, in fact, owned equipment with "endless menus" or other things that need to be programmed. I even have a desktop studio setup upstairs where I have a Two Notes cab sim, a few rather complicated digital delays (with presets), and plugins so infinitely tweakable they make Fractals and Helixes look limited. That said, I know what I prefer. I'm not lazy. I'm not some incompetent old fart (I'm not even 40 and I run a Linux system on one of my laptops). I just don't like sifting through menus to dial in a sound. And when I do want that much tweakability, I prefer my computer mouse and plugins on a DAW. I also tend to only use one or two models of anything on programmable systems with 120 different options. I've learned that after owning a bunch of delays and reverb pedals and cab sims. Fender's design is for people like me. If you prefer 120 different amp models, go for it. But don't join the chorus of people crapping on Fender for not building a Fractal.

@trickfall8752 2 дня назад

I think there’s a lot of people who just want a fender tube amp but lighter and without maintenance. I can definitely see why these are popular even though they’re on the pricier side.

@robertanderson36 2 дня назад

Hi Jon, I sold my TM Deluxe Reverb, the pretty blonde one, after a gig where I sat in with a medium loud band with another guitarist It didn’t handle my drive pedals at volume and sounded fizzy when soloing . It seemed like it was only happy turned up with no drive in front. I could have investigated finding compatible pedals but chose to sell the TM instead in disappointment

@ianpaterson4956 2 дня назад

The problem is with all of this digital stuff no matter how it is, is that there will be a stage where fender or whoever won’t carry on updating the software. I learned this the hard way with my Fender Superchamp x2

@t0msie 2 дня назад

They don't update the software on their tube amps either.

@judsongallien 2 дня назад

yep, once they get it right there is no need for another update. My TM Deluxe Reverb Blonde has been a workhorse and after the last update it just works.

@ManchurianCounterweight 2 дня назад

that is correct. An old 65 fender bassman still runs fine today, but a 2024 tone master will not be around in 70 years. Spend your money on things that last. Spend as little as possible on digital.

@AT-wl9yq День назад

The industry, in general, has done a really poor job at explaining how their products work. This amp, and others just like it from different brands, have 3 parts to them. You have an analog solid state power amp, an analog solid state preamp and a digital effects section, all in one box. So, when you say "all this digital stuff", you're just talking about the effects processor. Remove the effects and you have a regular, fully analog combo amp. If you bought a multi digital effects processor, like Line 6 or Headrush, and plug it into a regular analog combo amp, you're doing the exact same thing that this amp does. All they're doing is moving the digital effects from external to internal. Most modeling amps give you the option to bypass the internal signal processing, and plug in something external, like pedals, into the preamp directly. If you get a modeling amp with this option, (I know Line 6 Catalyst has this feature), you can use the internal processing and upgrade to better effects down the road. There's no need to buy a new amp unless you want to. Also, I know there's some confusion about this, but the only thing digital is the effects. The amp and preamp are always analog. They can't be digital. Its impossible to amplify a bunch of 1's and 0's. The signal has to be converted to analog before it gets to the preamp. I just want to make it clear that I'm not faulting you at all. The industry is responsible for making this mess, not you. Also, I know at some point the effects processor will stop being updated at some point. I don't see a problem with that. As long as your amp is working right now with current software, you can still use it for as long as you wish. You can still use your older versions of Xbox and PS even though they are no longer supported. Same thing with this amp.

@georgeghleung День назад

@@t0msie Yes, but they get it right the first time; even if they don't because the "code" (schematic) is open source, built on known process, if one willing to or have some money, they can modify it, hot rod it, etc. If you want to sacrifice some stuff, change from tube rect to solidate rect. Same with "analog modelling" ala FET circuit and SANSamp clones. My Blues JR Rev B have the cathode follower mode and the reverb fix mod, without needing to get Fender involved. Digital not only rely on algorithm mimic characteristic of an amp, they are propreitery; when it needs to be better, or maintained, you have to involve the manufacturer; if there are bugs and it's no longer maintained, there are no way to change it. You can't hot rod closed source algorthim either. Now if they make an open source version? Maybe.

@onlyguitars 2 дня назад

Get a Roland blues Cube. I love mine, is like fender tweed inspired and is much cheaper. Fantastic amp!!

@Paul-D 2 дня назад

VERY misunderstood amp that. My friend has one and it's bloody good.

@67er_matze97 2 дня назад

couldn't agree more.

@jonswoveland 2 дня назад

Can confirm. I have a Blues Cube Artist and it rips. Anderton's did a blindfold comparison of a bunch of tube combo amps and a Blues Cube as a wildcard. I highly recommend watching the video.

@HomoChomsky 2 дня назад

It has issues with the switching power amp repeatedly failing. I had mine replaced a few years ago and it's starting to fail again (and based on what I've seen online, I'm not the only one). Sadly Roland has also fallen into the expensive disposable amp scam.

@craigsanderson3722 2 дня назад

I have the artist model and am very satisfied. I have played through many tube amps in my 67 yrs and the BC artist sounds as good at least to my ear (blues mainly) as any high end tube fender I’ve played through. Great amp imo.

@gramsci420 2 дня назад

Sounds brilliant but the question is where will this amp be in 5-10 years? Probably in the rubbish

@AT-wl9yq День назад

Reading through the comments, I see so many people saying pretty much the same thing as you. Your concerns are valid. However, if you look at the overall picture, this problem is not nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be. But, I'm not faulting you in any way. The industry is at fault. I can't respond to everyone, so I'm just coping a response I just wrote for someone else. If you read through it, I think you'll find some of the information useful. "The industry, in general, has done a really poor job at explaining how their products work. This amp, and others just like it from different brands, have 3 parts to them. You have an analog solid state power amp, an analog solid state preamp and a digital effects section, all in one box. So, when you say "all this digital stuff", you're just talking about the effects processor. Remove the effects and you have a regular, fully analog combo amp. If you bought a multi digital effects processor, like Line 6 or Headrush, and plug it into a regular analog combo amp, you're doing the exact same thing that this amp does. All they're doing is moving the digital effects from external to internal. Most modeling amps give you the option to bypass the internal signal processing, and plug in something external, like pedals, into the preamp directly. If you get a modeling amp with this option, (I know Line 6 Catalyst has this feature), you can use the internal processing and upgrade to better effects down the road. There's no need to buy a new amp unless you want to. Also, I know there's some confusion about this, but the only thing digital is the effects. The amp and preamp are always analog. They can't be digital. Its impossible to amplify a bunch of 1's and 0's. The signal has to be converted to analog before it gets to the preamp. I just want to make it clear that I'm not faulting you at all. The industry is responsible for making this mess, not you. Also, I know at some point the effects processor will stop being updated at some point. I don't see a problem with that. As long as your amp is working right now with current software, you can still use it for as long as you wish. You can still use your older versions of Xbox and PS even though they are no longer supported. Same thing with this amp."

@gramsci420 День назад

Nevertheless, even if the amp still works as a solid state amp $1500 is a lot of money for an amp that turns into an ordinary solid state amp at some inevitable point in time. M Maybe it won’t be in the rubbish but you still no longer have the amp you originally purchased

@belicosebumpkin 40 минут назад

The cabs look too nice to ever throw in the bin if they die. If mine dies, I'll probably buy a tube conversion kit like Mojo Tone sells...

@TomsonTheOne 2 дня назад

I played and tested the Princeton Tonemaster in a local music store and I liked it quite a bit. Actually considered buying it after I had heard Zac from "Ask Zac" talking about the Tonemaster amps very positively... Then the store got a real Princeton in and wow... I can only recommend playing the Tonemaster in direct comparison to the real deal and there is a NIGHT & DAY difference. Mic'ed up it might sound close but in the room there is such a massive difference that I find the price point of a Tonemaster hard to justify. I'd rather get a Catalyst or Katana until I had saved up for the real deal.

@ScottsGuitar 2 дня назад

Yep. Live is a different scenario, but in the room at home they’re really not close. I really wanted to like it too. These really are made for hauling to gigs, but as you said you could get a katana for way less and it’ll do just as well. I hate solid state amps I play a 63 brownface Vibroverb, but live the utility of the katana can’t be understated. Nobody in the crowd knows the difference regardless. Greatest $400 amp ever made imo.

@didamnesia3575 День назад

Exactly

@didamnesia3575 День назад

@ScottsGuitar I'd say of the gig, if it is music focused bring the tubes, but if you're background music for a party/event then bring a solid state for comfort. But, this requires time and money.

@joeltunnah День назад

Your comment demonstrates perfectly the misconception people have about modeling amps. The tube amp in the room SHOULD NOT sound like the modeling amp in the room with you. Put the tube amp in another room, mic it, then listen to it on a studio monitor in the room with you, and then do the comparison.

@TomsonTheOne День назад

@@joeltunnah I would argue here that Fender is advertising it as an exact replica of a Tubeamp. They even put it in the same case and price it like this was the case. I own other modelers and modeling amps and would compare them the way you suggest, but Fender is puposefully marketing it as a replacement and then it should be compared in the same situations. It has nothing to do with people not understanding how to compare a modeler...

@mikemorgan4774 2 дня назад

I jumped into the Fender modeling world when they first came out with the Mustang series amps. They were so much lighter (and cheaper) than my Fender tube amps, and I was using some modeling software in my DAW anyway at that time. But I guess they were so cheaply made that Fender dropped support for them way too early imho. Instead they opted for a new line of Mustangs which were only questionably better(?). Support for those has waned as well. So I've experienced Fender's lack pf support for it's own products way too many times to be culled by the same game again. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice......become an internet troll, and research other avenues.

@natearchuleta2003 День назад

Man... I remember one of my first amps was a GDEC-3 lmao

@mikemorgan4774 День назад

@@natearchuleta2003 How about the CyberTwin, remember those? And they were like $2000 !! I think that was their very first modeler, maybe?

@Fawkes1978 2 дня назад

For 1500, you can get a fully handwired boutique amp made in the UK, say the one from The Studio Rats, that can survive a nuclear apocalypse with minimal need for repair. What happens to the digital amp when the next gen dsp comes along?

@Unusednickname_1970 2 дня назад

You think a modern tube amp is any more reliable? You’re fooling yourself. I can’t tell you how many tube amps I’ve had fail on me.

@nihilistlivesmatter 2 дня назад

@@Unusednickname_1970 handwired =/= modern aside from new valves every so often and occasional rebias they're bulletproof

@Unusednickname_1970 2 дня назад

@@nihilistlivesmatter not in my experience. Amp manufacturers are charging a premium for tube amps and the quality is at an all time low, unless you’re willing to spend thousands on a point to point, hand-wired amp. Ever looked inside a modern Fender, Marshall, Vox tube amp? Garbage.

@nihilistlivesmatter 2 дня назад

@@Unusednickname_1970 OP & I both specified handwired

@Unusednickname_1970 2 дня назад

@@nihilistlivesmatter fair enough. Sorry I missed that detail. However, I think hand wired tube amps make up a very small percentage of the market. It’s just not realistic to say that they are an option for most players.

@ThePlanarchist 2 дня назад

No! If the Fender Tonemaster tech really is the top of the modelling tree (don't think it is) I'd rather have the floor unit and the FRFR for just a little bit more and have a whole lot more to choose from at my feet.

@dcamnc1 2 дня назад

That’s what I would do as well. I use a boss floorboard and an frfr in this way.

@GitShiddy 2 дня назад

When the ToneMaster Deluxe came out it was brilliant. A way to have an actual amp, with all it's simplicity, volume, and character of the tube amp plus the lightness, ease, & functionality (attenuation & emulated DI) of running a model. The perfect halfway house & fundamentally the perfect pub backline amp. The 59 Bassman is & was the ToneMaster release I have been hoping for ever since. However in-between they released underwhelming things like the TM Princeton, and the TM modeler, and in that interim people like UA have made single model pedals a desirable alternative to those of us who still look at modelling as "needlessly complicated". Also in those 5 years Fender has not just gone with the offensive greedflation of pandemic profiteers the world over but, especially with amps, have exceeded the already unbearable increases. Making new Fender amps practically a nonstarter. Not only that but I'm 95% sure the release of the TM Bassman has increased the price of a new 59 Bassman (by around $500 CAD), which had been the last bastion of value in Fender's tube amp line up (because it's heavy & loud & difficult, which is why I wanted the TM version to exist). Thereby making every Fender amp more expensive than it needs to be. Which has greatly soured me to the idea of a TM Bassman existing, and to the notion of buying anything new from Fender. A thought I've had for some time. For something I genuinely wanted 2 years ago to be such a turn off that I kinda wish it didn't exist is....not the result Fender would want to put it lightly.

@onlyguitars 2 дня назад

Try the Roland Blues Cube if you like fender tweed vibe. I love mine and is much cheaper. Such a great amp.

@GitShiddy 2 дня назад

@@onlyguitars When I was looking for a Tweed I ended up with a very clean 1957 Gibson GA-8. Which is Neil Young but more highs. I'm more remiss about how this Bassman should've been the 2nd tonemaster & it'd be exciting. But here we are.

@kwyatt261 2 дня назад

Yeah, I chose a Supro Amulet over a Fender Princeton Reverb (tube version) because of the attenuation and price. I haven't played a Princeton, but I don't need to now. Sorry, not sorry Fender.

@lavalizard1 2 дня назад

I’ve been super happy with the Tonemaster Twin and Deluxe Reverb. They sound great and the DI out is fabulous. I like that Fender has updated the firmware to give players different flavors / options to get the most out of each. Glad to see them doing more of these. Plus I don’t need a modeller to support moving between multiple amps.

@jturquoise 2 дня назад

Helix >fender tone master

@hobbystudio1128 2 дня назад

Do you remember Marshall’s JMD line? Launch 2010, discontinued 2 yrs later? I picked one back then when tried one in the shop alongside JMP 800 through the same cab and couldn’t hear any significant difference.

@lavalizard1 2 дня назад

I have the Twin and Deluxe Reverb Tonemastersx - I love the sound / DI out but also the fact that they can operate as an on-stage monitor while running out direct (from the amp) to front of house. Saves buying separate monitors or powered speakers. Also really helpful in the studio - I can’t remember the last time I mic’d an amp. Don’t miss that at all.

@TheCyberMantis 2 дня назад

Nothing beats the Boss Katana.

@BlugubriousMusic 2 дня назад

I played the TM Twin and Deluxe Reverb yesterday for the first time. I have a real 65 (not reissue, original)... I could see playing a TM for sure because I use real and modeled stuff. But, those TM's were not the same as the real thing. You prove all the time that you can play whatever gear your playing. I could totally play models and love them. Doesn't have to be either/or. Great stuff here.

@siitan83 2 дня назад

Tonemasters are different and they are very much the real things. They just have better highend sound.. every amp is different..

@BlugubriousMusic 2 дня назад

@@siitan83 That's the beauty of music as art, we can all decide what we enjoy. I found the highend harsh on both TM's... I would play them with the Bright switch down and mine with it up. Been a Twin player 30 years, so it could just be the two I had had a smoother high end.

@graphicnick07 2 дня назад

Brother i could listen to that intro tune for days...you are incredible 😎

@irishplucker 2 дня назад

That intro is some of the most beautiful playing I have ever heard...great touch and tone....inspiring.

@brandonshea2053 День назад

No kidding! The amp seems fine, but I want to jam with this dude for a while.

@giles3211 23 часа назад

Sounded like digital tone to me

@Mega_trav 2 дня назад

John! First of all, thanks for being awesome. Condensing a long story: I bought an HX Stomp XL in 2022 because of your content. Still have it, mostly use it at home. Last week I got a Fender Mustang GTX100 to use as an FRFR/powered cab. The modeling in it is pretty good! Different than Line 6 (not better or worse). I would be interested to hear your take on it compared to Fender Tone Master, Helix, and Katana. I almost went with a Katana but the GTX came up for the right price.

@Think_Up 2 дня назад

If it sounds like a 59 Bassman at bedroom practice volume levels I would absolutely pay $1500 for it.

@jamlsn 2 дня назад

JC, absolutely loved the lead in playing. The melody at 1:30 was awesome and loved the passage at 1.55! Brilliant, watched/listened many times, now stuck in my head - that’s when you know it’s heartfelt. Cheers!

@rigorhead01 День назад

Dude, your playthrough toward the beginning was amazing. One of my favs I've seen you do. Fr

@HomeGuitarMods День назад

I’ve owned both fender twin reverb tonemasters. I kept the cream back version. I have modelers but wanted a light straight fender amp. No frills, just a pedal platform that does the thing. I got rid of my favorite amp (fender hot Rod Deville with two eminence governors) which I liked better sound wise, but the portability and usability just made me grab a tonemaster every gig. But for me, I know my sound, and I’m tired of digging through menus to get there. Lately I’ve been using the Friedman ir-d with IR going foh and non ir going to an Orange pedal baby and open back cab. For me modelers were great to find my sound and what pedals I needed live, then I bought (in my opinion) the better real pedal versions of what I wanted. At the end of the day the crowd will never know the difference. It’s about getting the tools that work for you.

@jayborghini4399 День назад

Really enjoying watching your vids and learning all your insite. Ive been considering a tonemaster and now after watching this i cant be more confused. Not because your video was bad, just i just dont know anymore

@Eliminator-rl9sn День назад

You get a whole amp world in the digital domain for that amount of money. Fender is trying to capitalise on the legendary reputation of their classic amp models. Whoever needs a one trick pony with the Fender plate on it, feel free to buy.

@nekkon1989 2 дня назад

I would absolutely pay that money for a digital amplifier if it was that good. That being said, to say that the tone master series are unimpressive at best would be an understatement. They just don't sound better that a Katana or a Catalyst and cost three times as much. A Blues Junior or a Bassbreaker 30r blows these things out of the water and are actually cheaper. Does Fender think that by charging a premium for Chinese made amplifiers we're gonna get convinced to buy them?

@revolead День назад

Fender, like me, doesn't see the TM series as a Helix or Katana or Fractal alternative. They're a Fender tube amp alternative (hence, you're paying for the aesthetics), and, in my opinion, come closest to digitally sounding like a Fender tube amp. I played a Katana multiple times in the store, and they suffer from a cheap speaker and cheap ADA converters. The Katana Artist is absolutely worth the speaker and converter upgrades, but it's really more of a rock machine, not a Fender emulator. A much better comparison for the Katana is Fender's Mustang GTX series. I had one as a practice amp for a few years. That amp's strength was its Fender emulations, the same ones that made it into the TM FM. Its weakness was no attenuator, so it was loud as hell or practically silent, same issue I had for years with my Fender Deluxe tube amp. I can't stand not having that middle ground because I live in a big city in a condo with neighbors against my wall. Another better comparison would be the TMs with Boss's Nextone series. I own both a TM Twin Reverb and a Boss Nextone Special. They are much closer in price and quality, and they can be dialed in to be nearly indistinguishable. The Nextone takes pedals much better, however. And obviously is far more versatile, being able to also emulate EL84/34 amps. It's easy as consumers to dismiss products for their pricing and not realize someone else will pay the premium. If the TM isn't worth more than the Katana to you, that's fine. But it is to me, for reasons stated above.

@nekkon1989 День назад

@@revoleadFair points, beauty is in the ear of the beholder

@jp7963 3 часа назад

You are 100% right about the speaker and cabinet element. For a few years I had the regular Helix which I ran through an FRFR for practice and direct for gigs. But for recording I still loved my dusty but trusty JCM 800 and Fender Twin Reverb. However, as A/B style display at a local music shop about 9 months ago saw me buying the Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb. I'd have thought the "black" Twin would have been my fave but they sport Fender speakers and the black Deluxe the Jensens which are often favoured by the country guys. The blonde Deluxe however has a 12" Celestion and that made a HUGE difference to me. So now I run the Helix (effects only) straight into the blonde Deluxe and it works perfectly.... for me. It dies not need an effect loop and I can alwayd do a a virtual 4 cable methiod in=f needs be. But I find it all in line sounds best. Of course others may/will choose differently and that's the beauty of all this. But I have to say for consistency of sound (my knackered old Twin really can have "off" days despite new valves etc with my Marshall really hating current on the Continent and especially Canada) and logistics (its so easy to carry!) it all works perfectly for me. In fact I'm looking at ditching the Helix and maybe getting the HX FX instead as it does what I'm using the Helix for but (I'm told) even better! But for home use and practice having the attenuator on the Deluxe Reverb is perfect for me. Yes, of course valves when cooking nicely sound wonderful, they always will. But this set-up just covers all bases for me, and works exactly the same every time I power up.

@thesoundpurist 2 дня назад

We’re on the same page. I use my Nextone Artist only when I don’t have much time and want to save my tubes life span. The Nextone can translate the sound of my Suhr guitars very well though. I still use pedals sometime that worth almost the value of the Nextone.

@JCleggy 2 дня назад

I would pay a lot of money for a transparent power amp and lots of fun cabs to run my modeler through. Digital amp/effects, real speaker, no mic’d up sound. It’s authentic amp in the room sound with the versatility of a modeler. Why isn’t this more popular?

@Haunting1981 2 дня назад

I'm pretty sure its going to be coming. Modeler through a power amp and a cab is the way to go. If you have a prepackaged combo or something similar I'm thinking its going to sell once people realize how much better it is than playing through an FRFR.

@simbadlemarin1815 2 дня назад

I've been playing my iridium rig through a behringer KXD15 keyboard amp for a couple years now and love it. Never played an FRFR but the keyboard amp sctaches my itch for the "amp in the room feel"

@natearchuleta2003 День назад

I did a variation of this and bought a Superblock UK that I run XLR'd into an alto busker. It's hodgepodge but my options are wide open for buying a cab or frfr or just an actual decentish PA to run XLR into.

@bobbrown5212 2 дня назад

The fender mustang GTX 100 is a modeling amp that has been out for years. @ $600 it's not bad.

@Ridearound2112 День назад

Love the mustang GTX100❤

@thereaper987 2 дня назад

When I saw the announcement I looked at the price, laughed, and closed my browser. I’ll pass.

@bluesky6361 2 дня назад

I'll stick with the 5F6A Bassman clone I built several years ago, thank you very much. 😊

@Jeb_binch 2 дня назад

If you need a lightweight Bassman-inspired combo... the Roland Blues Cube Stage and Artist are both more versatile and less expensive new and can be had for very good prices used.

@Billy_bSLAYER 2 дня назад

John, Any chance you share the scale in that jam around the 1:45 mark, or tab please?

@juanmacaceres2702 2 дня назад

FINALLY, I would love to own a Bassman that I can actually play at home. Of course a modeler and a FRFR cab could do the same for the same amount of money AND have all the other amps. I don't know really, the answer seems obvious but a Bassman would be pretty cool

@stichriddle1535 День назад

The truth is people want stuff that’s expensive if some company came out with a hand wired tube amp built exactly like a deluxe for 500 bucks it wouldn’t sell

@victoralesi8025 День назад

Curious what year your Gibson 335 is.

@MaPa60 2 дня назад

I dug the tone you got in the beginning, was that the Tonemaster Bassman or something else? I normally always buy amps on the used market, except for a few, so I rarely spend more than 500€. For 1500€ I can get used Matchless, DR Z or Divided by 13 tube amps, so no that will be a tough call. And I'd prefer a modeller with an FRFR to a modeled amp, or even transistor amps like the DV Mark's or similar, mostly because they are very practical in size, and I can get a light cab with Neo's. The problem with modeled amps is that they are no more practical than tube amps, which I don't really like the practicality of. I do like Fender's modelling though, I used a Super Champ XD for years, and it was great.

@musicalintelligence 2 дня назад

You're asking us at the very beginning if it's a tube amp or a modeller and you put delay on your sound..................!

@frjhracing 2 дня назад

I will always stand by the best version of modeling/digital/dsp is quality modeling, NO cab IR, into a high headroom clean power amp that doesn't add or subtract from the modeling and finally into a guitar cab of your preference (v30's, greenbacks, 2x12, 4x12, etc...). My gripe with FRFR is that even with the same IR - FRFR's or PA's or front of house final mix's can vary wildly based on room size, the frfr speaker itself, and the power level you're running at. A guitar cab does all of this *as well* ...BUT the guitar cab will do this, imo, the best way/predictable/ and to your liking based on the speaker selection. The cab will also get you the "amp in the room" experience since that's what's ultimately moving air anyway. You can also play with modeling "internal volume" vs Net volume through the power amp/cab. An example of this would be a MODEL of a low power tube amp (lets say extreme like 1W or 5W) that has it preamp gain all the way but it would, in reality, be relatively low output because of the power limit...modeled through a power amp, would get you that "high gain" tone from a pushed amp to whatever volume you want based the headroom of the actual power amp. I'm not really a fan of these modeler combo's that are modelled around an FRFR. Though I WILL say that I appreciate things like where the katanas that have tried and true IR's built specifically for their FRFR cab. The reason this matters is that your own home brew cab IR's or whatever your random modelling board can get you - the different experiences when using different FRFR's result in modeling getting a bad name, or the "cheap" feeling.

@azharkhan8796 2 дня назад

The intro is 👌

@JHPRS 2 дня назад

I'm curious about the cost of repairs when a modeling amp goes out of warranty, especially if it's an issue on the circuit board. But I suppose it's not any different than Helix or a Quad that could go bad somehow.

@Meylan191083 День назад

$1500 for a digital modelling amp is crazy! I am not familiar with tube amps now. The last valve amp I bought was 18 years ago (Peavey VK112). WIth the 100w Gen 3 Katana available for 1/3 the price (and with an Effects Loop to boot), spending $1500 for Fender's equivalent makes no sense to me.

@harumann 2 дня назад

Better get a FM3 and a Fender FR12. You get ALL the best amps, and drives, and effects with superb quality

@keno5565 День назад

Exactly what I was thinking

@niv6924 2 дня назад

Can you do a video on EVH 5150 Iconic?

@michaelschneider7590 2 дня назад

Katana head plus the Fender FR cab sounds like a better plan!

@loopie007 2 дня назад

I tried the TM Deluxe R at the local Guitar Shop and was surprised by how good it sounded. I bought it, took it home, and started playing and comparing it to my Tube DR. Shortly after that I took both to a local gig for some of the local pro's to play. They all came back with the same opinion. They wanted to hate the ToneMaster, but it seemed fine and they really could not tell which amp they were playing through. I sold my Tube DR and have run the TM ever since. I am interested in the Bassmen TM, but at $1500.00 the profit margin is too high. I don't NEED it.

@jimkanter4180 День назад

I sold my tube DR after getting a Tonemaster DR and haven't looked back. The only thing I felt was missing was the reverb, but an Oceans 11 pedal took care of that. My back really appreciates it too.

@axemasterjam День назад

IMHO The difference between tube and modeling amps like a Fender Tone master is in the volume. Tube amps respond better at higher volumes when playing with other musicians in a live setting. In my experience tube amps and modeling amps can sound very similar at lower volumes but when they are pushed harder tube amps open up beautifully and naturally. I use both for different reasons. Thanks for another thought provoking video JNC.

@angrygoldfish 2 дня назад

Maybe Fender are actually using high quality long-lasting parts on these and so they're more reliable than their tube amps.

@gumbilicious1 2 дня назад

I’d love to see their margins between the 65 twin reissue and the tone master version I’d say go with a katana and replace the speaker myself. Put a nice Weber in there, I’d do that over the tonemaster for value/sound ratio

@what1864 2 дня назад

that short clip on the pedal show they sound the same but the tone master was louder ...

@SmokeSalmonBand Час назад

Omg the playing within the first couple of minutes is … just beautifully played …

@BSPotter День назад

1.5k for a made in china digital amp is a hard pass for me. and I just paid 2.5k for their handwired 57 deluxe.

@trevorjohnson8142 2 дня назад

I feel like, when referring to value, you kind of missed an opportunity to talk about resale value, which is a huge aspect of a purchase. You've mentioned it before, but one of the big problems with digital vs. analog gear is that your digital purchase, generally, starts to depreciate immediately. Conversely, tube amplifiers generally tend to either hold or appreciate in value. Line 6 has done a great job continually updating their products, but in 20 years, no one will want to pay what you paid for your Helix, but they'll pay every bit what you paid for a tube amp, or more. That Tonemaster may be okay for now, but just like CGI in movies, it's a snapshot of where Fender's technology is right now. So, when it inevitably gets better, and you wanna sell your Tonemaster, good luck getting anything remotely like what you paid for it.

@strumminronin 2 дня назад

That's when it becomes a donor cab for a clone kit amp!

@misterknightowlandco 2 дня назад

So we finally get the bassman.

@johnp75 2 дня назад

Sad thing is in 5 years this amp will be outdated and obsolete. Put the $1,500 towards an actual tube amp or a mid 70's silverface that will last you forever.

@slimturnpike День назад

That's a very good point

@thejuggernaut5327 День назад

@mikeb5372 День назад

How much did you smoke before recording this?

@paulanderson6511 2 дня назад

The key here is "If it sounds good it is good". The modelling amps aren't a perfect duplication although the Tonemasters are close, but they sound really good on their own. I'm a Helix user (along with a Marshall DSL40CR and a Fender DRRI) and they all sound brilliant on their own merits. We spend so much time trying to A-B them that we miss that you can get great tone from each! Oh, and no, I wouldn't buy a 1 trick modeler for $1500. I would definitely grab a Helix or Quad Cortez at that value and have all the amps!

@toliskoskinas 2 дня назад

The question, sincerely should be reversed in order to gain its full meaning: do you, the performer feel different playing a simulation ? do you perform the same as you would using the real deal ? We shouldn't bring the audience in this discussion, this should be a discussion on what makes us better performers.

@poornoodle9851 2 дня назад

I’d rather have an all tube Bassman head in a lunchbox/Marshall studio head format…

@MiezoT 2 дня назад

Online blind tests are kinda useless today, since the recorded quality is more or less there. It's really more about the feel when you play these things (for a longer time). And there some people (me included) still see a quite big difference.

@mostlypostie1 День назад

11:34 I agree with you 100%. I'm new to modelling, but not new to gear. I recently got the FR-12 and Tonex1 to see what I thought. I am in love with it. I would personally not pay the $1500 for the new Fender.

@joellebrodeur1015 День назад

I have the Fender FR12 since January and rotate the two rigs I run through it: Boss IR-2 with pedalboard and a Ampero 2 Stage. I'm very happy with this FR12 considering nearly every Fender amp I've tried, I either returned or sold.

@DavidLenef День назад

Fender got it right with the TM Deluxe Reverb. I replaced my tube DRRI because it was very close to the tube version and I appreciate all the advantages of the modeler - especially the weight and power scaling. In rehearsals and gigs, I'm very happy with it. But it looks like Fender has not done as well with the other Tone Master attempts. When I listen on RU-vid to comparisons of the Twin and Super, the modelers are way off in their sound profiles - EQ, compression, breakup, etc. One might argue that the TM models still sound "good", but they fall far short of accurately simulating the originals IMO. As I write this, there are no videos online for the new TM 59 Bassman, so the jury is out on how successful their new modeling combo is. It retails for about $2,000 USD, so it's possible that a $1,500 modeling version will find a place in the market.

@user-hc8cl2ez9m День назад

I love my TM deluxe. My favorite amp ever. Great breakup sound. I find having the volume high and using an ovedrive as a boost works much better than clean and using a pedal as ur dirty channel. Perhaps the real one is better but at the price and weight I would never do it. I play in a band, those features like weight and a line out really matter alot

@hailmaryrecordings8255 16 часов назад

Digital amps are getting very good & I’d use one live or in studio. However, not at this price … I want tubes at this price.

@Kitmaru1P7 2 дня назад

The issue imho are players are sucked into their marketing. When i started playing, players were keen in getting their own unique sound but now everyone wwnts to sound like their fav artist or everyone else. The landscape have changed and players welcome the idea of getting new different products sounding all the same. Good take on the subject JNC

@MichaelSheaAudio 2 дня назад

Well it depends where the retail price is coming from. How much of the price is the research and production, and how much is the markup? For example, if it costs them $300 to make and they're selling it for $1500, that's obviously not worth it. It also depends how much you value ethics, as you *can* buy a product for much cheaper, but it's probable that the workers are worked like dogs and paid like crap. I wouldn't buy a tube amp, because solid state can sound just as good, requires less maintenance, and is cheaper. And on the opposite end, when it comes to modelling amps and floor units, not everyone wants option paralysis. Some people just want to plug in and go. If this amp is made well, doesn't have an insane markup, sounds good, is loud enough to gig with, and is built to last, then the price just may be justified for some people.

@pads-zr9ln 2 дня назад

I'm one of those plug and play guys, I have a pedal board, I brought a gx100 and just keep a crunchy edge of break up tone for practice on the sofa with headphones, bassman is my dream amp but for half the price I could buy a silver jubilee and an attenuator, choices, choices

@MichaelSheaAudio 2 дня назад

@@pads-zr9ln Yeah I just have a Peavey Bandit and it works for me. I was running a bunch of pedals but went back to basics and am happy with the results. I'm sure if I recorded it the way it's set up now, no one would know or care that it's a solid state combo.

@timwhite5562 День назад

F'cking thank you! I've been saying this since word of these Tone Masters first surfaced. $1000+ for a digital modeling amp, that only has ONE amp model (they don't even give you tweed/blackface,etc). Whomever it was in marketing that thought up putting them in the classic amp cabinet enclosures was brilliant. If they stuck these in a Mustang or some other cabinet, there's no way in hell people would even entertain spending that much. It's not a bad idea, for $300-400.

@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender 2 дня назад

Id pay it if they start making them better than they have been

@stichriddle1535 День назад

One day JHS is going to reveal his secret stash of katana and next tone amps he is the biggest boss pedal fan

@maxwellblakely7952 День назад

How is 1500 expensive for an amp now days?

@TheDilligan День назад

I have had the Tonemaster Deluxe for years. It is a better amp than the tube counterpart. I think we need to not think of these as some sort of diluted version of the original because they aren't. They are very much an upgrade from the original amps in practically every regard AND you are getting it at a fraction of the price. They are just as loud and good sounding. But they are also more consistent sounding, lower noise, offer a transparent attenuator that isn't even possible on the tube versions, offer an amazing direct output, far lighter weight, zero maintenance, and actually far more durable. You are getting so much more bang for your buck. The only flaw with these amps is repairability. If you trip over, hit a knob really hard and crack the inner circuit board in 20 years from now, is that going to be as repairable as reissue tube amps? It's possible both are about equally flawed and require support from fender. The only real solution to that problem is the hand-wired versions and open source schematics, and that ups the price tag quite a lot.

@mattmanley7118 2 дня назад

So they finally did it? Interesting but as someone who is getting the TM Princeton in mere days that msrp is a tough one. Sure a lot of research and development goes into these amplifiers but personally I am tired of solid-state amps doing hundreds of things etc. Think the jack of all trades master of none argument. Solid state amps in my view try to do TOO much and it can be dizzying. Never mind the nightmare if software doesn’t work or isn’t intuitive. I don’t want an amplifier that does 100s of different things perhaps. I want what the tone master line has to offer and I have for several years now. I just wish they had a lower price point overall. I’ll gladly use my own board and forgo built in effects while emulating ONE thing as close as can be to valve tech and I’m happy hence the TM line. The built in attenuation is just plain brilliant. I am glad they seem to be straying a smidge and added an Fx loop to this one.

@zipporaid День назад

This one has real alnico speakers, no? I imagine that's a decent chunk of price. If they put out a mkii twin with loop I'm buying though 😂. I really wanted these to have as a powered option. Fr12 is neat but still would like that amp look

@jltrem 2 дня назад

Because there's one born every minute.

@christophervincent8420 2 дня назад

I love my Blonde Deluxe reverb Tone master amp. It is on point and extremely good. Although, i wish it would have had an effect loop. That being said, it is better and sounds better than any other "modeling" amp.

@benniejohnson81 День назад

Pedals just do not perform well into a modeling amp. There’s just nothing like a hand wired tube amp.

@joshf8097 2 дня назад

No, and it's got nothing to do with the sound. Even though I fully admit the sound out of those tone Master amps are actually pretty good. The fact of the matter is that digital Amp modeling is supposed to be a cheaper alternative to the tube amp. It's bad enough fender and other companies are probably already making 300% to a 500% profit on their tube amps, but I mean, who actually knows?, but I know they certainly wouldn't be in business if they weren't making money. I think that it's just crazy to think that now they'd be making 15 times their percentage in profit while using solid State technology. It's just crazy to think that now they'd be making 1500 on an amp that only cost them about $200 to $300 to make? These companies are making enough money. In my opinion when they do stuff like this that's just them being greedy. I mean call me crazy but to my knowledge, solid State technology was always more cost-effective than tube circuitry and technology, correct? I understand when it comes to the processors those can be a bit pricey, but they are essentially processing one digital amp, and putting an amp model into a singular amp. There is no way they need a huge processor for that singular amp.!. I'd rather get an axe FX for an extra 500 bucks or so. Long story short I would think that needing a really expensive processor for a single amp model, is kind of never going to be a thing. I just don't think you're going to see the same processor that's in an axe effects in a tone Master amp, you know? Come on, whether it sounds good or not isn't the point. It's like, at what point do we just say "okay enough is enough, stop gouging us for every dollar you can get". I mean things are already expensive enough, would you not agree? Just cuz it sounds good doesn't always equate to, now that means it's expensive, that's ridiculous. The technology itself is an affordable alternative! It's bad enough things like the Helix cost $1,500 but at least with all the processing and switching that you get, that kind of seems to makes sense. It kind of seems like you're going to buy an expensive computer or laptop or something. You know what I mean? But with a singular amp model? It doesn't make sense to me at all.

@NintenDub 2 дня назад

You made the statement, that "just cuz something sounds good now, doesn't mean it needs to be expensive because it sounds good" which is true. There's plenty of great sounding stuff sitting on shelves now that'll be expensive later. But we've absolutely been sold out by all the companies and RU-vidrs, because "it sounds good so it should be expensive" is definitely a thing.just look at jhs and that stupid DigiTech pedal. Ppl got that mentality from somewhere, and so when something turns out to be good, ppl think expensive means it is good. Ppl want their choices validated by grown men who are impressed/envious over the internet. It literally is like school still, all ya gotta do is look

@joshf8097 2 дня назад

@@NintenDub I hear you I basically got my amp second hand it sounds great, and it's a tube amp. personally I like the sound of tube amps. Because for a long time they were obviously better than digital amps. But even now, there are plenty of amps that are tube amps that sound amazing, that are not $4,000 or $3,000 ya know? I like nice things too, don't get me wrong, but personally, at what point are you just paying for the idea of nice instead of actually nice.?. At the end of the day if you got that kind of money and you want to spend it, go ahead. But at the same time I just wish people would be mindful that when they do go forward with a purchase like that, there are actively ( and unconsciously of course) screwing the little guy who can't afford it. Now once again, I'm not saying they're doing that Intentionally I'm just saying that it happens without their realisation because now the company says, "hey guys look can you believe it,? We can actually charge this and people will buy it, crazy huh?" I mean really, just imagine if everybody started paying $1,500 for a tonemaster style of amp... How long before every digital amp cost $1,000 or more before the little guy can't afford it at all anymore? And really how much of a difference do you think there is in technology between something like a boss katana and a tone Master series amp? In my opinion probably not a whole lot of a technological leap. Just saying. What vendor is basically saying it's a big enough leap that you should now pay an extra $1,100 to $1,200.?. I don't know I just don't buy it that's all I'm saying.

@shawn_ten_toes 2 дня назад

I'm happy with my spark.

@Paul-D 2 дня назад

How many updates have we seen on the super reverb tone master via the USB in nearly 3 years....... none as expected. 6 month updates on the TMP. Fender just don't know how to give long term value to their customers, so as much as I like the concept of tone master I sold mine.

@jjjddd231 2 дня назад

What do you want updates for? If you're happy with the sound of the thing when you bought it, then that's the sound it will always give.

@AndreasCordesMusic 2 дня назад

Everyone here seems to underestimate that the physical cabinet, speakers and also the usability just like the original has massive influence on the sound. It is digitally reproduced…yes but the sound is pushed through the original speakers in the original cabinet! That’s the real difference to any other modeling idea. I own the Tonemaster Twin along with a couple of Tubeamps aswell. The TM Twin ist my first go-to Amp since. It is reliable, lightweight, crazy loud and sounds great.

@sunkntreasure 2 дня назад

These amps hit the market at a time everyone was worried about being able to get good quality replacement tubes. And prices for tubes went crazy. A quad of EL34s is like $150 now. There's something appealing about paying everything up front and not worrying about maintenance costs.

@LouieTM 2 дня назад

That's the price of a Helix or a Quad Cortex if you want to go digital. For the same money you could also get a full-valve second hand Bassman (and a couple of good pedals too).

@wilbury-hb3gp 2 дня назад

Price is the main reason I've come to loathe Fender. At almost $2000, Fender is charging boutique prices for tube amps with poor quality components, no modern amenities, and only one basic tone. At least those are tube-based and made in America. Charging this much for a digital amp made overseas is obscene.

@MaksHedlund 2 дня назад

Blame the consumer. They won't continue producing them if no one is buying. But people do buy them. Absolute and utter stupidity.

@darwinsaye 2 дня назад

The Twin Reverb and Super Reverb Tone Masters are both well over $1500 here in Canada at $1730 and $1860. I was considering the Deluxe Reverb TM for a while, at $1280, but then I gathered my senses and bought a Marshall Original 20 combo for $870. I expect the Bassman will be over $2000 here. -Anyway, I still don’t think that’s nearly as insane as paying $2000 for a Kemper (and for just a head), which is worse than a modelling amp since it only gives you a digital snapshot of a single setting instead of modelling all the behaviour of an amp.

@waltwilcutts37 День назад

I paid almost that much for a Johnson Milennium 120 and that was 90’s money. With what’s available today I would never do it again.

@shane011471 2 дня назад

A hard hell no to anything digital from Fender. They have shown very little to no support after the warranty expires and not much longer after that they offer no support at all as you can't even get replacement boards or parts. Nothing but a very expensive trash can!

@elmolewis9123 День назад

The Tokai sounds very sweet through it.

@guitfiddleblue День назад

If going solid state (or digital) I will always go with something like Quilter.

@RobertFisher1969 День назад

I’m not buying a 4 by 10 at any price no matter what tech is involved. The price seems reasonable within their lineup considering that it is $500 less than their 59 Bassman. And I do really appreciate the simplicity of the Tone Master amps. But, yeah, for me a solid-state analog amp and a pedal-sized modeler has makes more sense.

@DavidJosephBoth День назад

In another room, nobody could spot tonex from an amp. You can only tell if your in the room with the amp through a real cab (which does impart to your playing, the latency also even if you can't perceive it right off). The recorded sound is pretty stellar these days. I wouldn't buy a $1500 digital one trick pony. Nothing does the physics and how it imparts a little sauce to your playing like a tube amp. I own several high end amps (not fender clean amps though so maybe it's different). The recorded tones are stellar for a modeler these days. People sometimes spend more time on their actual amps tone when they do the a vs b recordings. You can make them indistinguishable for a HECK of a lot less than 1500 bucks. 1500 bucks is a real stellar fender "tube" amp. Not a digital recreation imho.

@MrLenecromancer7 День назад

Thanks for posting this video. I wouldn’t invest in any digital amp period. I know that most would argue that digital has come a long way but nothing can replicate the feel of playing through an all tube amp for me. Any digital amp will eventually have obsolete discontinued parts also. A simple tube amp will always be serviceable. Provided tubes are still being made of course 😂

@rbny02 День назад

thats why im stockpiling tubes. the tube shortage is coming

@srcottle3212 2 дня назад

A Katana can sound great but it’s never gunna have the stage presence or look as good in my living room as a Fender amp!

@ShinyShinyBlack 12 часов назад

Sure… if they used Origin Effects circuitry, or maybe, MAYBE something designed by UAFX. I had the Super Reverb, and… the reverb was not as good as it should have been, especially since there were already existing digital reverbs on the market that sounded significantly better.

@jjjddd231 2 дня назад

Fender understands that it won't be able to make tube amps in the future once there is a widespread ban on tubes which will happen due to environmental concerns. So it has found a way to offer its famous amp models using alternative technology. This is the fact of the matter. If you want a Bassman or a Deluxe or a Princeton, then in the next couple of decades, the only option will be the digital version.