Alonso had some exeptional talent on moving to team which gives him crappy car which he outperform to insane levels, and outshine his partner in the process. Poor Vandoorne.
@@sentientspaghetti1898 In Vandoorne’s first year he got 13 points and Alonso 17. That’s actually impressing. But in 2018 the team(mostly Zak Brown that is the manager of Lando Norris) wanted Norris in the car next year. So they give him a shit car so it seemed like he was bad. Mclaren at 2018 was a fraud. I still support Vandoorne, he even is my favorite favorite driver. But maybe maybe maybe he will in the williams next year. Fingers crossed!
@@ethankral4740 wow. Cannot compare like this. Different era, different car, different kind of drivers. You have to give rookies a time. The thing is that Hamilton started in a title winning car.
@@-SPECTRE- I'd respectfully claim otherwise. In a championship contending car, everyone is with additional pressure because the ultimate goal is set in front of you right from the get go, with the best of the best being your group of competitors, any mistakes will be under the spotlight and criticized by everyone, compared to starting out in a car at the rear of the grid, you are given less expectations because the car is not anticipated to be challenging for all that much, hence mistakes are less costly per say in the scope of results because going from 11th to 15th loses 0 points compared to a mistake from 1st to 5th.
@@-SPECTRE- Top 4 car, midfield car, or bad car doesn't matter mate. What matter is what kind driver caliber you up against in a team either he is an all-time great, podium contender, ex-champion, young unproven pretender, a regular point score, a Saturday man only, and so on.
On the other hand, after his dismissal from McL, he has shown exactly nothing in FE. There are a few other drivers like him who were dominating the feeder series but didn't have any success in F1 (Hulk comes to mind)
Your forgetting that the kimi and alonso have opposite styles. Alonso likes to feel the front end, kimi is always about feeling the back kick out. The f14t was a boat because it had more understeer than an american car, favoring alonso, and when f1 went to spa (oversteer track) kimi mopped alonso in every session.
@@escolopendrapower hahaha “kimi dominated him at Spa 2014 in every session” *looks it up* “Multiple driving errors from Räikkönen left him eighth” and Alonso out qualified him by multiple places. Imagine someone just lying on the internet
Hamilton is the exception to the rule as he himself is a career killer. Anthony hamilton tried warning the grid when Nico left the other Merc seat vacant for Bwoahtas to fill
@@dukeman8481 Niki Lauda and Jim Clark are in my top 5. I have a special connection with Senna so it is hard to leave him out of the top 5. To me, Senna is arguably the best ever skill-wise. Even Schumi has Senna as his best ever
I feel like the team order at Germany 2010 was what most affected Massa's performance against Alonso, especially given it was on the anniversary of his crash at Hungary the year before. He just seemed demotivated in the Ferrari, while he improved a lot at Williams even though he was past his prime by then. Had Ferrari not stolen that race win from him I think he would have challenged Alonso and the other top teams more regularly, and maybe would have gotten a couple more wins.
As far as Kimi situation goes I think it's a mix of a few things. He came into a different team, Alonso was there for 4 years in a row. Knew the team better, car mechanics and a team dynamics. I think that Alonso is a second best driver ever but the difference between him and Kimi never was that great to begin with.
In terms of Stoffel I genuinely do believe that timing can ruin a great drivers career. Sometimes landing in the wrong car at the wrong time can just ruin what you could really achieve
I just don't trust that Alonso raced totally fair.. I think he always tried to sway the team into making the car more suited to his driving (you know like what Michael did at Ferrari and with Flavio). He's tried to do this at every team and when he couldn't, at McLaren, there was such a huge fall out and at that point I wasn't surprised at all that Alonso was throwing his toys out the pram when Lewis was beating him fair and square at McLaren in 2007. Don't get me wrong; not saying he's a shitty driver who was a crook but I think he just tried to do everything right and wrong to get his way, and that includes driving well and working to improve the set-up.
Of course, the "#2" drivers have to drive in the shadow of their teammates, no matter how good they actually are. Rubens Barrichello was a great driver, but people remember Michael Schumacher, who was the hero of the tifosi. Same with Valterri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton. And with Felipe Massa/Giancarlo Fisichella and Fernando Alonso.
This is more likely on Ricciardo 😄 his sudden leave had jammed enormous wrench in RB's gears, and dealt severe punch on Gasly and Albon careers. With Kvyat it is more... Tricky.
@@paveloleynikov4715 well ricciardo left because of verstappen, he wanted to be a N1 driver, after which he ruined his own carreer, Kvyats carreer was ruined because verstappen was doing wonders in the torro rosso, and then the smackdowns on gasly and albon, gasly being Lucky that he got a seccond chance and now that he is dominating over perez.
@@arjungrewal17 2012 that ferrari did not deserver to do any ware near a champion ship condender the 2018 car was. Vettle appered to lose a step half way throuth campain.
@@gunny419 the 2012 ferrari and the 2018 Ferrari were different cars. You cant predict how a season eill be with another driver, it is impossible due to the many variables
Kimi struggled with front tyres in 2014 and in 08,09 and in 2017 2018 when he started to get on top of it he had bad luck and seb was already in the championship lead by then... It's quite ironic that kimi won the championship in a car he struggled with
@@andrijamitic3434 I watched that season and I think that alonso was the #1 until a certain point and mclaren started to recognized hamilton because I think he was leading the championship at that time. Fernando really couldn’t have thought playing mind games in a british team with a young promising british driver would turn out good for him that partnership was doomed from the moment hamilton got that seat and performed in Australia
@@andrijamitic3434 I agree, Hamilton did see him off with help from the team, but they had to make a choice and look where both drivers ended up. Fernando can be too emotional at times, he is a fantastic driver nevertheless.
Best drivers (whether young or old) should only grace F1. Some drivers peak at 27-30, some maybe even later than that, but often aging drivers are sidelined in the name of rookies. If rookies have speed and age on their side then senior drivers have experience and racecraft on their's. So there is simply no such comparison between the two. It just comes down to who delivers under pressure.
In 2014 Ferrari probably had the best lineup, but Ferrari build a absolute trash car aka F14T!! The amount of understeer was scary and crazy ( watch kimi onboards in 2014) Alonso did better due to his driving style which he makes understeer to turn his car) while kimi completely struggle due his driving style plus front end of the car was shit. Kimi said couldnt push the car bc he was worry, he didnt know which way the car would turn. Ferrari wasted that lineup
Thats what F1 is, you need to be extraordinary in your junior formula year to classify as an average F1 driver. And you have to be cut from a different cloth to be a championship contender, let alone a champion.
Why did you skip over Giancarlo Fisichella? I mean he wasn't a F1 great driver, but he went along for the ride with Alonso and Renault during their championship winning seasons. While Alonso's winning ways continued after he left Renault, Fisichella's did not. He's had more success LeMans though.
The only one he definitely ended was Piquet Jr. Vandoorne could still find some way back in F1, but it will be tough. Most others continued for at least several seasons after that - Trulli, Fisichella, Massa, Raikkonen. Button retired, Hamilton is breaking records and Ocon is putting up a good fight for now.
In my opinion, Fernando Alonso is the best driver since michael schumacher. His commitment to performance and talent is just unmatchable. But he has rotten luck in landing teams during their worst days after 2007. In terms of talent : Alonso > Hamilton ~ Kimi > Vettel
I don't think it was just luck, it was also due to him being impatience and burning bridges. Look at McLaren in Indycar right now, Alonso could easily be leading the Indycar championship right now.
I do feel Vandoorne deserves another shot at F1. Yes he was thrashed by Alonso But People seem to forget that Alonso is one of the Greatest drivers of all time. He was one of only 2 drivers to beat Michael Schumacher in a fair fight (the other was Mika Hakkenen) The Mclaren of 2017 was AWFUL. An ok chasis with a terrible slow and unreliable engine. How both of them scored points is a miricle. 2018 the car had and ok engine with a bad chasis. With better reliablility Alonso was able to drag that dog of a car to 6th place in the constructers. There are very few drivers that could replicate what Alonso did. Stoffel with a terrible car was able to score points many other drivers would have had a pointless session. Stoffel does deserve another shot in F1.
Alonso has ruined so many teammates, but he made Lewis Hamilton. With Alonso to push him harder than anyone else could, Hamilton was able to improve to a level that could win championships.
Both had 109 points in 2007 despite Alonso having to deal with Rob Dennis' shit and getting 2nd driver treatment. He handed Hamilton his own ass in 2010-2013 with the 4th car and sometimes 3rd on the grid compared to the Mclaren which was the only thing that could challenge the Redbull and was occasionally better.
@@alexburky9124 he had the right to do so, imagine being 4 long year’s in McLaren-Honda and not being able to even score a podium. He did enough with what was given to him.
Alonso is at the level of the best F1 drivers of all time in my opinion. Just didn't choose the right choice at some points and had bad luck sometimes... But he still giving his 100% and always overperforming (._.) his cars
Nono no , not in your opinion He absolutely has the skill work and talent to be one of the bests of all time, but has been very unlucky / self harmed his career And that’s a fact, don’t care what ham fans tell you
That demonstrates how underrated Rosberg is, who explicitly didn't crumble with Hamilton as his teammate. And you can't say his career was killed, since he ended it on a title!
@@ddha0000 lol did he win that year nope and Alonso fin 9 times ahead of him, lol with a fully British team and a boss that sucked up to him ,Nd mind u if not for the crap penalty in Hungary he would be champion 😂😂😂
I remember around 2014-2015 the F1 community used to claim that if Bottas was in the Mercedes he would've challenged Hamilton for the title harder than Rosberg....boy were they wrong
@@_fiftyseven_ that I'd like to deny but he not close to a Lewis Hamilton tho, people look at George's Sakhir weekend as a future prospect, but 1 good result doesn't mean he will repeat that every season. The worst that could happen is Lewis does what Alonso did to Stoffel or George doing what Lewis did to Alonso in 2007
@@katlegokgotse I doubt anybody could repeat what Lewis did in 07. Lewis (like Verstappen & Leclerc) is all raw pace man, same issue Vettel had with Leclerc's speed in 2019. Same with Max & Ricciardo come 2018. Russell is not on their level imo. I cannot see him beating Hamilton over a season. He's damn good, but I wouldn't bet on him beating either Verstappen or Leclerc (his peers). let alone that old man with the braids.
the thing with kimi's situation was that even if he was Seb's number 2, at that point he wasnt upset cause he knew himself he couldnt challenge anymore, like take Germany 2018, the team didnt know how to tell him to give up his position but he actually didnt mind giving it up cause he knew he wasnt in contention.
Yea agreed he didn’t see himself as a number 2 just a really good friend helping the other, when he knew there was no reason holding the other back. And vettel and Kimi were best friends and I think still are.
nope did u see his pace at the start of 2018. in china, bahrain, azerbaijan he cud have took pole if he didnt make a mistake or screw up the last sector
@@muhidnaveed2617 Just like so many other drivers who screw up their laps ‘could should would’ but kimi at some point messes up his race or his quali. One of the two. And sometimes both.
@@muhidnaveed2617 Thats exactly what separates him from the best of the best, those tiny errors happen to often and always have. The mf was just so fast more often than not, and its no question that even now in the twilight of his career he still delivers and is also a well known quantity. I think every team in paddock knows what they would get if they signed Kimi. A safe pair of hands that takes enough risk to spring a surprise, but not enough to rack up an insane crash damage bill
Kimi was inadvertently a super nice guy to never destroy his teammates as he could have with his raw speed and race craft. He honestly just never gave a heck, even at his peak. He has a life outside of F1 unlike almost every driver ever.
Tbh I don't think he cared if he *was* going to play second fiddle to Alonso or Vettel. As long as he could keep racing in F1 for the fun of it and not have to deal with the paddock drama, he's fine with that.
If any driver has a life outside F1 it's Lewis. He could become a Social media influencer, a fashion designer, a SJW, and has interest in owning a Vegan Products company.
@@thebestevertherewas i think having a family is beyond all of that, hamilton doesn't have a family so he doesn't have anything to lose, but drivers like rosberg and vettel does which is why probably rosberg immediately retired after winning and vettel declining because he has a family now, they just don't want to risk it too much
getting outdriven by a rookie hamilton, bottling a couple of world titles to Vettel in that ferrari and his unprofessional behaviour with the McLaren Honda means i don't think he is anywhere near the conversation.
@@ddha0000 He didn't bottled it Ferrari bottled by giving him a shite car .. Give Alonso the best ever car and will win it aswell! Vettel got the best car 2010 and 2012 it was just close do to Renault having reliable problems with the Engine so i guess you should watch those season's but you Alonso haters can't understand that! Ferrari was only at best the second best car renault pace was incredible strong especially in 2011 and 2013* (FIA gifted them a bit the titel see Tyre rules since Silverstone 2013) Ferrari droped on performance since after their China win why because Ferrari engine and aerodynamics were shite and they were lucky to actually be second best in 2013 because of Mercedes giving theit titel fight up to concentrate on the new rules and lotus having problem at the mangement... Guess you should watch more before you talk i watch and follow Formula 1 what Alonso did in 2010-2013 even in 2014 were he did show his prime drive and dont forget 2018 were he was the star in the season !! But you haters always talk crap 💩 instead of being happy that i saw an amazing and see an amazing driver like Alonso and ofc others as Hamilton , Micheal and others aswell Häkkinen all drivers have their style and amazing facts!!
I genuinely did not like alonso. That was until the sprint qualifying at silverstone and IMO the best defensive driving at Hungary which allowed Ocon to claim his maiden win. He is now one of my favourite drivers on the grid and I can't wait to see what else he will do on track!
This is the greatness of Alonso. He turns his critics into his fans (I won't use "haters" as using this is a disrespect for the people I'm talking about). And yes, Silverstone sprint and Hungary defence were definitely fantastic- but it's totally normal for Alonso. He has always done these kind of crazy stuffs.
That's because you havent watched F1 since the beginning of his career, and not even the ferrari age of Alonso. He almost won 2 championship with a crappy car, especially in 2012, when his car was maybe and just maybe the 4th on the grid
Alonso is so great and magnificent on the racetrack. Love every second of F1 with Fernando. When I was a kid, Schumacher dominated and for many years I actually thought that the sport was named "Schumacher" because that was all I ever heard. Then came Fernando and as I said, so magnificent to watch. I have since rewatched all F1 sundays from 1985 to now and for me there is no one else but Fernando, Heir of Senna.
Yes. The amount of hate Bottas gets is undeserved. What can you really do against a driver that is on completely another level compared to most of the grid?
@Leo Bernardo Bottas could be better but he joined Mercedes in the times when Ferrari was finally ready to challange for a title. So merc could not let their boys race as they did years before. And then after two years of being number two, it was hard for him. And now Perez, I have no idea what that idiot Helmut thinks, but he will not get a good second driver if they always have just a year with knife on their necks. Gasly is good driver, had half a season, because of bad start. Albon is good driver, one and half season, knife on the neck for whole year. Perez is proven good driver, now after 2 bad races Helmut is not happy and looking for options in F2 and F3. That guy is the worst "head of driver development program" ever.
What is "quality" in a driver? Bottas isn't great at overtaking or defending. Not great at managing his tyres. Not great in the rain. Not aggressive enough. He's a decent wingman.
The more data about Alonso you learn, more surprised you get. As far as we know, on his full career only one driver really match Alonso in performance as teammates. If you need the guy wich will have more amount of worlds tittles to Mach alonso is because this guy is really a beast, definitely a hard hard competitor as teammate. Sometimes i guess that many young guys don't known much about alonso, they might think that he was good enough for beat Schumi back in 2006 but thats all. Your videos really help those ones to learn about fucking Alo. Thanks and keep working like this you have my likes
Button as well, although that makes more sense as Button was at the end of his career anyways when they were teammates (and they were evenly matched in 2015).
Fernando is an absolutely amazing driver, but greatest of all time certainly not. Being the greatest of all time requires a driver to be the whole package a team player and having the forethought to pick the right teams at the right times, to win as many championships as possible after 2006 Fernando picked the wrong teams at the wrong time at every turn. He could have easily been a 6 time champion had he just taken the punt on Red Bull in 2007, which nearly happened. What has happened since is consigned to the dustbin of history. Nobody other than him is responsible for his massive underachievement. He had practically the whole paddock at his feet, but his actions and choices left a lot to be desired.
Alonso didn't 'ruin' Kimi's career. If anything understeery Ferraris did. Kimi was a championship quality driver in 2012/13. But he famously prefers oversteery cars which is the complete opposite to Alonso who won his championships forcible inducing understeer. Seb too needs a stable rear end. Put Kimi into a Ferrari designed around Alonso and he was always gonna struggle. And why would they try to change those characteristics with Seb replacing Alonso?
I feel like kimi really didn’t transition well to the v6 hybrids and still doesn’t gel with them much. To go from a potential title challenger to demolished by Alonso really shows that imo
Just one remark on 2004 standings: Jarno got fired in Monza, in that race Fernando was battling for the win against Jenson till the last 10 laps or so, before he retired due to a mistake at Variante della Roggia. Trulli could not even manage to get to the points. If Alo had finished the race he would have stood 53 - 46 against Trulli (or even 55 - 46 if he had won). Don't forget also that in the race before in Spa Alonso suffered a DNF due to an oil leakage from his engine while he was leading the race.
Do you not use your brain to deduce that Jarno went from being a regular top 6 driver to not finishing in the points ONCE after Flavio told him he would not be renewed. This is Briatore we are talking about, sabotage is more likely than trulli turning to shit. at the time trulli was told to leave he was way ahead of alonso, and performing decently
Herbert was awesome compared to Jos Verstappen. His damaged legs made competing with all time greats impossible. Patrese was friends with Briatore who replaced Brundle with the ancient Italian. This was a mistake. Patrese retired and Verstappen did far worse. Herbert allowed Benetton to win Constructors. Massa isn't a doctor. He was definitely above top Vettel as he just had to beat Webber. Racepace is even more complex than Qualifying and 2008 Kimi still had won it all in 2007 with his disorganized approach.
I never understood why Benetton did not keep Brundle for 93 and may be 94 and 95. Brundle was not lightning fast may be but would certainly have done his part into Benetton winning the 94 constructor championship.
Best example is Vandoorne. I will fight this to the end, Stoff is and always was superior to Russell. Both got shitboxes. One crushed a Russian paydriver and a guy in his mid-30s who was driving with basically one arm. The other dragged 26 points out of some awful McLarens but got Alonsoed. Norris is a future champion who was always going into the 2019 McLaren, but if Stoff hadn't been Fernandoed, maybe he could have stayed in place of Sainz, or could have gone to another midfield team.
Kimi situation was similar to Ricciardos current situation. You think he lost all his pace in a single season lol? He never adjusted to that horrible ”Alonso” ferrari.
I think its more on the nature of F1 team. F1 team will always have 1st and 2nd driver rule. There are no 2 suns with 1 earth. If that happening, expecting a year of turbulence.
Alonso Trulli - Nope, Renault "killed" his career if anything, but not really because he continued racing for years. Piquet - Again, Renault for sure killed his career (combined with himself for actually going through with it, and then trying to use it to blackmail the team.) Massa - Didn't kill his career. Nothing changed. 2008 was a combination of the season of his life, the best car, Kimi not having much luck and not being mega motivated since he won the last season. That season aside, he was always a super, super good number two driver and he continued to be afterwards. Kimi - You can't kill someone's career if they are only there to race cars. Kimi just came back cos he liked racing F1 cars. He continues to do that to this day. Vandoorne - I'll give you that one. Probably did wreck his career.
Some say Alonso whined too much, but put it on context, whining just a dozen times in all his time in F1 it's not that much. P.S.: drivers that "kill" careers also "create" careers ;D
I wouldn’t call Alonso the fastest driver of the 21st century. But he is definitely the best driver in terms of a Sunday. How we manages to place his car at a start of a GP, in a battle, on tyres. Nobody is even close to his sense of racing. Hamilton and Verstappen might be quicker over one lap, but in a race they would loose most times against Alonso
To take Kimi in this is silly! That Ferrari wad built for Alonso's style of driving and Kimi was in a bad place with Ferrari back then and we all k ow Vettel was the 1 first driver but Kimi beat Vettel in quali in eyear there so and was pretty close to Vettel for a second driver....
Strange you omitted Giancarlo Fisichella who is the one I really want an answer for. Fisi was pretty much the King of the Midfield for so many years and upon making a return to the Renault team where he had taken so many underdog podiums, he was expected to be a serious threat to Alonso. He was better than Ralf Schumacher, Wurz, Button, Sato, Firman and Massa. But it never really happened in 05 or 06 and he looked absolutely at sea. For the rest of his career too, he was beaten by Kovalainen, Raikkonen and occasionally by Sutil too. Did Alonso's pace just break him?
Warhammer Will.....Right HAMILTARD!....Alonso beat Hamilton 4 years straight, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.....Obviously you didn't finish school either......They both LOST in 2007 Genius with 109 pts each when McLaren and Ron Dennis were fighting Alonso and not the other teams like Ferrari and Kimi!.......right WARHAMMER WILL!
I REALLY want to know wtf happened to Kimi in 2014 and then until 2018. I can only conclude that Fernando had been with the team for five years at that point and that he knew how to wrangle those Ferrari's and Kimi went from a car that he liked to something that was Alonso-flavored and simply dealt with it until he was gone. There were a few situations where Kimi was held back from Vettel at Ferrari and it seemed like Vettel was always the golden boy. Surely Kimi wouldn't put up with that just to drive in circles for a paycheck? Maybe he didn't give a shit anymore? It wasn't really until 2018 that he was competitive to 2012/2013 levels again. At least he scored more points than each prior season while he was there the 2nd time, which he couldn't claim about his first stint...
Simple: Raikkonen never performed to an elite standard ever again after leaving the McLaren and Michelins. His Ferrari and Lotus performances were severely overrated. Getting beaten by Massa and being barely quicker than Grosjean is no real feat.
Saying that Kimi did barely any work outside the car is wrong. Kimi has been said to be one of the best at consulting with the team around him to build the kind of environment he needs and the car to suit his driving.
He couldn't influence the 2014 design, as he was still at Lotus in 2013. It was basically completely designed to fit Alonso as he was the only driver Ferrari could get feedback from. As we know, Alonso prefers an understeery car, while Kimi prefers a pointier front-end. Kimi probably knew from the beginning that there was no way of fixing a car that was designed to suit a completely different driving style from the very beginning and thus didn't bother to develop the 2014 Ferrari.
@@RandomGuy37 Yes I know and that was mostly due to the pullrod as opposed to a pushrod suspension at the front end which made it extremely dull in feel which also was completely the opposite of what Kimi preferred. After 2014 they scrapped that and instantly pulled in proper results
This shows the class and talent of Hamilton. Out scoring alonso in his rookie season is god level tbh. It’s stupid that people stop believe that it’s just the car
I'm a new F1 fan and got obsessed with it this past off season and before 2021 even started, I was a fan of Alonso. Absolutely incredible racecraft. Outside of Michael at 130R too, zero fucks given. 😂
I would like to add a few things on your Vandoorne part of the video. In his full Rookie season, Vandoorne Just couldnt get comfortable in the Car. Only around Malaysia did he found a driving style that he could Really push. And to only finish 4 points behind Alonso in your rookie year in the dog of a car is remarkable to say the least. In 2018, Vandoorne told the Belgian media that McLaren could not give him the set-up that he prefered (very similar to a Vettel-like setup). No wonder hè couldnt put in good performances week in week out. After he was dropped he Said to Sporza that he wasnt allowed to talk about 99% of the stuff that happened at McLaren… And one More thing, Vandoorne was incredible Just before His F1 career, and did a fantastic job in the categories after his F1 career…. Doesnt this all seem a bit weird? Vandoorne couldnt show his potential in F1… which is sad
Ik zie dat je een mede-belg bent en ik wil je hier nog iets aan toevoegen. In de eerste training van de gp van spa in 2018 reed Norris zn eerste sessie, in de auto van Alonso. Vandoorne reed tijdens die sessie met een vloer die kapot was en remmen die niet fatsoenlijk functioneerde. Vandoorne had uiteindelijk een slechtere tijd gereden dan Norris. Dit is wat Mclaren wilde. In de 2e training gaat Vandoorne naar buiten en komt meteen terug binnen en ze gaan de vloer vervangen. Dit kostte weer veel tijd en Vandoorne kon maar een paar rondjes rijden en eindigde weer op de laatste plaats. Zak Brown die toen de manager was van Lando Norris deed dit allemaal expres zodat Norris volgend jaar in die auto kon gaan rijden. In de media kreeg Vandoorne nog een slechtere naam en Norris werd nog meer opgehyped. Britse coureur die naar een brits team kon gaan. Dat was natuurlijk perfect, sponsors waren meer geïnteresseerd dus meer geld. Meer geld om de auto te ontwikkelen, en ja hoor in 2019 was de auto een stuk beter. Nu vechten ze zelfs voor podiums. Vandoorne is echt de dupe geweest omdat Mclaren graag Lando in de auto wilde. Verder heeft Stoffel ook geen geluk in de formule e. Pakt 4 keer pole maar eigenlijk maar 3 keer omdat Mercedes een fout bandennummer aan de fia geeft, slaat echt nergens op. Vervolgens rijdt hij 2 keer eerste maar wordt hij er ook 2 keer vanaf getikt. Heel het seizoen rijdt hij sneller dan De Vries maar hij gaat met de titel en alle credits er vandoor. Nu vertrekt mercedes ook nog uit de formule e… En afgelopen zondag wordt hij 2e op 7 tiende in een 24 uurs race. Het zit nooit mee bij hem. Ik volg hem nauw op de voet en ben benieuwd wat de toekomst gaat brengen. Voorlopig heeft hij alleen een contract bij jota en reserve coureur bij mercedes( wat echt niets zegt, kijk maar naar vorig jaar) Maar misschien zegt Toto een goed woordje bij Williams en rijdt hij daar volgend jaar. Laten we het hopen!!
@@nickvos2494 Heel fijn om te weten dat nog mensen dit verhaal weten. En hoe zou Stoffel zich wel niet gevoeld hebben toen... Hij wordt letterlijk voor zijn eigen ogen tegengewerkt. Het is eigenlijk een vies wereldje. Vandoorne heeft letterlijk in alles gewonnen waar hij ooit in heeft geraced (buiten F1 dan). Het komt echt van mensen als jij en ik om zijn naam te proberen zuiveren nadat die besmeurt is met leugens en sabotage. Heel Vandoorne zijn F1 carrière zit vol met van die verhalen...
one season. in which mclarens bias against nando was pretty big has lewis only barely been behind one of the most dominant cars at the end of a wdc? no he hasnt. nando has done that. twice. and beat a prime schumacher twice.
@@enzicoxe That doenst matter if he was behind anyone at any point. Rookie Ham won against Prime Alsono, even tho Alonso was super dirty that season...thats the point and all i wanted to say. Not saying that Alonso is bad, i believe he still is a top 10 driver...not a top 5 tho.
Re: Vandoorne, the trouble with "future world champions" is that I've seen those words used to describe just about every new driver in the last 25 years or so by someone in the sport. In truth, only about 1 in 4 drivers coming from junior formula have the real potential to do it. Fewer still actually will. Most will be more Vandoornes.
Vandoodoo would have longer career in F1 if he had started in mid-field, he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I think he gets more recognition if he build a career in WEC or Indycar than to stay in FE.
The problems that Alonso had are called Lewis Hamilton and Sebastián Vettel. They both destroyed his career and made him & Kimi 2nd rate drivers. The best drivers are the enemies of good drivers like Alonso.
alonso is considered a far better driver than vettel everywhere except for seb fans. Even in 2010 and 2012 team principals voted him as the best, Michael said it in 2012 too. And he is the third most payed driver on the grid for something, even after being 40 and 2 years out.
@@MrThedestroy3r Results kill "To be considereds" of "Everywhere", oppinions of "team principals" that can vote for own convinience or as a trade. Whatever Michael said its bs, Results from 2009 to 2021 have not changed. Alonso has 0 podiums in 2021 and Vettel has 2 2nd place finishes. I have to agree that Alonso has better press but that does not change that Since Vettel got to F1 Alonos became a nobody.
@@rotorairgroup8409 alonso in 2021 is ahead of vettel, and he already was ahead when alpine was behind AM in constructor's. There is no chance that anybody who really knows about F1 prefers Vettel to Fernando.
@@MrThedestroy3r You are a blind fanatic of Alonso, he is driving a car that has won a race with Ocon, Vettel has finished 2nd twice in a slower car and has way more technical dnfs than Alonso. Vettel is ahead of his team mate and has won over Fernando in more races than him. Alonso talks a lot and inverst in his press but Vettel talks with results. Podiums in all his teams since STR and only needs to win a race with Aston to have wins in all his teams as well.
