I remember that in the Witch King expansion of LOTR: Battles in the middle earth, there was this option to call orcs as reinforcements and when called someone would say "The orc rabble from Gundabad has arrived" or something like that
It is a summoning option for Thrall masters of Angmar - they could summon either various Dunland wildmen or Gundabad orcs. They were among the weakest units in the game.
Honestly I love to see a different species of orcs, dont know why, but lets say that I love because it's not just you know one kind of orcs, and that's it, I love to see differente orcs with diferent personalites!!! Jake as always amazing video, love to see these old videoa that made your previously channel as big as it was!!!!!!!
imagine being called ranger of the north and obviously haven't read the books, because if you would've you would know they have different subspecies, Tolkien called some even hobgoblins
A further factor leading to Gundabad Orcs being larger could also be evolutionary pressure: Gundabad being in the north and being alpine, will feature lower temperatures than places like Mordor or even the southern area of the misty mountains. Body temperature can be better maintained in a cold environment, if the ratio of mass/surface-area remains high, thus larger Orcs would be less likely to freeze, making them more likely to win the intra-racial evolutionary competition. A real-life example of how this works, if that children and especially newborns are much more vulnerable to hypothermia than adults because their ratio of mass/surface-area is much lower.
Feasible if you buy into evolutionary race theory you see this in modern sports where Caucasian body types specifically northern European perform better on average in strength based sports such as weight lifting vs African body types which perform better in speed based sports such as running. This is because Northern European body types generally evolved for the colder Northern climates have short limbs proportional to their trunk vs say an African body type which on average has longer limbs proportional to their trunk. It's one of the ways archaeologists and anthrpologists can identify with reasonable certainty the origin of a skeleton
In humans it's the opposite though...Taller, leaner people are more common in warmer areas while colder areas often have shorter, broader people. Unless I read the articles wrong and got them confused. It's been a while since I've read them.
@@brandondavis7777 I thought it was always that in cold areas people are usually longer. For example people in South America or Asia are shorter and look in Scandinavia where they are taller :) I don't know I could be wrong too...
@Rill that's just complete bullshit, Germanic people were always described as taller by any civilised culture they encountered. It doesn't matter if they were mainland Germanic people or if they just migrated from Scandinavia like the goths
@@thotslayer9922 Bolg was aided in his ability to fight without a weapon because of his armour and the environment they fought in otherwise Legolas would've sliced and diced him. You say Azog killed multiple Dwarves but he also struggled against one, Thorin, so using numbers of a species is not a valid argument, it's about the skill level of the individual. Lurtz was wrecking Aragon until he managed to get I to a direct confrontation with sword skill because of course Aragorn is unmatched in that area, I don't accept Legalos is above Aragorn in all circumstances, certainly in agility but if they were to take one another on like with Lurtz/Aragorn sword against sword, I'd definitely favour Aragorns sword ability.
@Raving rando Gimli was killed over 40 uruk hai in the battle of helms deep. Azog In the books killed two dwarven Kings in single combat. Yeah Book Azog is above a single Uruk hai. We don’t have any real book feats for Bolg tho.
I think it is important to point out that those Orcs were most likely not just fast bred mass produced just to bring up numbers insted of acctual quality as the acctual common Orcs from Lord of the RIngs what seem to be more some kind of Goblins. Those Gundabad Orcs were more like highly trained and well picked or elaborate bred (I still not really get how Orcs reproduce and live) and also "older" and more experienced, so they had much more common with the Uruk-Hai - elite Orcs.
My problem with the orcs in the Hobbit movie was their size. Even if they were the toughest orcs out there, the movie made the orc grunts look like they were 7+ feet tall. Even the Uruk-hai and Azog were not that big...
I want a detailed video about the Edain specifically (wish in one hand). I would love to know more about the coming of Men and where they awoke and started doing before the meeting of the Elves. I'd thumbs up that video
I really enjoy every bit of your content. Your enthusiasm for Tolkien's universe is unparalleled and is something to be admired. Your videos get me through some seemingly very long nights. Thank you friend.
I honestly always considered the Orcs to be different. Like humans, they're not all the same. Morgoth made the original ones, but then through adaptation and selective breeding, they became seperate sub species. Moria orcs are smaller and agile, more akin to the original ones, Gundabad orcs are Larger and stronger, probably due to better nutrition, or human influence. Orcs of Mordor are similar to Gundabad orcs, larger and stronger. Then the Uruks are just massive orcs, made specifically with humans/elves to fight humans/elves after seeing how horrible the smaller ones do against them.
@@freedragon3050 that seems unlikly. Only morgoth was, as far as i know, able to corrupt a race. From here the corrupted elves (now orcs) started to evolve.
I think The Gundabad Orcs are from the Hob goblin faction that Tolkien spoke off. Evil men gained Orc like features through magic then after a few generations they breeded with orcs from Moria and created Hob- Goblins. Which are bigger stronger and smarter then normal orcs. I think Azog the defiler and Bolg were created by Gundabad orcs breeding with The Goblins from Goblin town because they are the only Gundabad orcs who had the Goblinlike features that the Goblins from Goblin town had. They were pale Goblins and Azog and Bolg were the only pale Gundabad orcs. Not only that the Goblin King was friends with Azog and knew him.
My understanding is that the most powerful Orcs were Sauron’s Uruk-Hai and Saruman’s Orc hybrids as neither were fazed by sunlight, for example had the Orcs been either one of these breeds at Moria, then the fellowship would have been captured. Saruman’s Orcs were destroyed after the battles of the hornberg and Isengard and Sauron’s Orcs lost the power to move in daylight after his fall.
as a colony of the most north-western orcs it is interesting to speculate that they are more directly descended from the orcs that must have fled/survived the sundering and sinking of Beleriand and Morgoth's capital Thangorodrim, possibly retaining stronger traits from a harder age. Also it's worth remembering that on the return voyage from Erebor, Gandalf and Bilbo actually circumvented Mirkwood and travelled past Gundabad, so it's possible Gandalf checked it out and found it near deserted. They supposedly faced more adventures and hardships on this journey so who knows.
I felt the same way. Even Before the 2014 film was released, I believed that the orcs of Gundabad were the descendants of the hosts of Thangorodrim/Angband, and even Utumno who survived both the War of Wrath and sinking of Beleriand and fled to east and south to find a new home and took up residence in Gundabad. Plus, with such close proximity to Numenorians in Angmar, Dwarves of the Grey Mts, and Elves of the North, whom they could both war with and let's just say...use to make half orcs for battle and breeding...and leave it at that, as well as access to dwarven wears from within Gundabad for making their arsenal. All that coupled together with selective breeding both selective breeding and survival of the fittest topped with the very harsh and unforgiving condition that the mountains would provide would root out the weak and let the (remaining)orcs, goblins, and trolls that live there to evolve into a powerful breed within their own kind.
addicted, i check this channel every morning with the news. sometimes i say "NO THATS WRONG", and sometimes I say "i didn't know that" . Keep it up guys! your're awesome, my girlfriends super mad at me for being a nerd. You have enough material to last, forever. diggin it
Just because the Gundabad Orcs are CGI, they're not bad! Sheesh, as soon as things go CGI, people most of the time think it is bad. The Na'vi in Avatar are all CGI (driven by motion capture but so were Azog, Bolg and a lot of the orcs, including the Great Goblin) and NOBODY ever complains about that. Jackson wanted to do CGI orcs as early as The Lord of the Rings but the technology didn't allow for that. Sure, they had CGI orcs in LOTR in form of the Massive extras but that's to make up armies of thousands which would be prohibitivley expensive if done all with actors, stunties and extras (hence why there is usually just a hundred or two hundred extras and the rest are Massive agents). The reason Jackson prefer CGI for orcs is to make them as in-human as possible which is quite limited with real guys in prostetics, like proportions of limbs and so on, whereas with CGI you can pretty much do anything nowadays. Let's stop complaining and start enjoying the CGI as it is a tool to create a story and can do stuff that other things like costumes, puppets and animatronics can't as they have their limits.
20 years later the LOTR trilogy of movies still holds up because of the practical and CGI effects were blended flawlessly. It looks real and it's easy to suspend your disbelief. It's been 10 years since The Hobbit trilogy and they are barely holding up because of how bloated they are with bad CGI. In another 10 years, the trilogy will not hold up because effects of CGI will be so advanced that the Hobbit's CGI will look terrible.
When I saw the image icon for this video, I thought it was a documentary about a metal band. Orc looks like he’s shredding on a Dimebag Daryl model Dean guitar.
I think that with Orcs, their forms are always changing. Just like Morgoth corrupted the Elves into Orcs, they continue to change based on their surroundings and various purposes.
If gundabad orks were the biggest and badest, then why would Saruman have not used them instead of breeding the superior Uruk Hai? Gimli seemed to think the Uruks were the baddest when he spoke to King Theoden ... " This is no mindless rabble of orc. This is the Uruk Hai"
Saruman bred them with men. Gross! Also, just guessing Gundabad is pretty far from Isengard. And I never thought the Gundabad orcs took orders all that well, especially not from an usurper like Saruman. The White Wizard needed his own breed to do his bidding
"If the Ring is destroyed, then Sauron will fall, and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed". So says in "The Return of the King". Sauron will endure, yet his powers will be heavily diminished. Nevertheless it is also expected the return of the Darkness, as consequence of Melkor pouring so much dissonance during the creation of Arda. Tolkien had projects about some "Herumor", a story set in the times of Eldarion that he never continued, whose nature is not specified apart from being a dangerous reminiscence of the old evils, and drafts of "The Silmarillion" previous to its publication mention the "Dagor Dagorath", a "battle of battles" (think of it as Ragnarok or the Apocalypse) that would occur as consequence of Morgoth returning to Arda. We do not know if Tolkien developed a role for Sauron in both narratives. But surely he'd give the Maia a huge part though.
So, I'm listening to some RU-vid tuneage whilst doing my work, but I keep looking catching out of the corner of my eye, the thumbnail for this video, and I keep thinking, "That dude looks to be ripping some killer riffs on that crazy axe of his." Coincidence? If you gave an orc an electric guitar, and one of those Feanorian lamps to plug his amp into, how soon would it be before he forms a speed metal band?
You should make a video on the most powerful units of Sauron with orcs etc. Mordor Orcs, Morannon Orcs, Misty Mountain Orcs, Morgal Orcs, Black Uruks etc. I really want to see the order of strongest orc units especially since im playing Age Of the Ring
Morannon and Morgul Orcs being a "unique breed" or "elite unit" is NOT cannon in the books or films. I know GamesWorkshop, that god awful OnWikiToRuleThemAll site, and BFME mods call the film Ircs attacking Minas Tirith, Morgul/Morannon Orcs, but that's inaccurate. If you watch the bonus features of the ROTK, the Orcs attacking Minas Tirith were actually the redesign of Mordor Orcs. IDK WHY people overlook this... Peter Jackson realized having a hunchback bowlegged enemies for film 3 was anticlimactic. So he had Weta give Mordor Orcs a more intimidating and uniform look. Some scraps, individualized helmets, different ways of wearing the uniform, but still a proper army. But because of limited time, film 3 has a mixture of footage of the old, and new Mordor Orcs. Apparently they called them Morannon Orcs on set, but they also called they Orc with the skull on his head "Skully" sooooo yeah take set names with a grain of salt. His name in film canon is actually Guritz.
I love the thumbnail still you have visible on here where you click on the video. At first glance it resembles a Gundabad orc jamming a guitar onstage. Am I the only one who sees this? It's like GWAR but instead its LOTR. Sex🍤 Drugs💊💉 & Rock n Roll🎸 Tolkien style I guess😎
I've been scrolling past that thumbnail for weeks and every time my first impression is a metal guy with a guitar. I finally decided to comment on it and found many, many others thought the same thing. 🤣🎸🎸🎹🎷🎵🥁🎼
I don't think they were larger. Apart from Uruks, orcs in general were the size of dwarves in Tolkien's work. And you are basing your whole argument on an interpretation of one sentence. Gundabad orcs were regular sized for orcs, as we don't see much difference in their size all over the Middle Earth and Beleriand for that matter (if anyone had huge-ass orcs, it's Melkor). And I REALLY hated their design in the Hobbit. Orcs in full plate armor, very well crafted and fully equipped - nah. LotR film design was much closer to the Tolkien's description of them. A dwarf would never be able to take on a Gundabad orc as portrayed in the Hobbit film. Remember, it took some direct dark magic to make an Uruk Hai - and even those did not hold a candle to what we saw Gundabad orcs are in the Hobbit. They just decided, for what ever reason, to redesign the orcs and make all battles and armies a very bad CGI - they scream "fake".
The orcs in the hobbit are very lazy if you look closer when they are marching from gundabad they all have matching human skulls on their helmet spikes and they all have identical chips and holes it's all copy and paste and very lazy
@@jamst123 Didn't the 3 movies get made in 18 months, after some preparation by Jackson's team scavenging the leftover art and design for Guillermo del Toro ? Those people were on fire, start to finish. I know it's three movies, but Jackson and CO. were more in line with the idea of having 1, as the book is short, and wanted to make it 2 at most, as per executive demand, and after some time, it got re-cut into 3 movies, and possibly refined the 2nd and 3rd after the first went live. idk about addidtional movie shoots after the main bulk was done, don't remember, but most the movies was surely done and ready for take-off in that timeframe.
"Orc rabble from Gundabad, come to our banner!" -Thrall Master unit, The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II: The Rise of the Witch-king (2006)
Massive orc capital, orc society is likely based around strength making surviving there difficult for the weak, access to the mines of the dwarves, access to ancient dwarven armories and forges, access to the mountains at large the resource rich veins and of course raids into the vale of anduin for food/other resources. It's probably more that its just an ideal location that makes them stronger than others. I think it's pretty fair to say they're better equipped than the average orcs at the very least. If they're physically stronger its probably a survival of the fittest type deal. But I don't think there's any real credit to them being physically stronger. The Black Orcs of Mordor are probably as pinnacle of orcs as they get before Uruk-hai get brought into the question. But outside of Mordor, 100% Gundabad. I loved their look in the Hobbit movies.
Didn't see much of the gundabad orcs actually. Just saw some eagles and a bear fly into them and that's it. Game over. Jackson pulled the "Joker" once again after he misused the undeads in LOTR 3.
