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It's sometimes known as audio by the pound: a measurement of audio quality by its weight. Does this apply to speakers as well as electronics and if so, why? Have a question you want to ask Paul? www.psaudio.com/ask-paul/
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@stevefick3919
@stevefick3919 5 лет назад
That's like that line from Jurassic Park, " Are they heavy?....Yes! Then they're expensive, put them back!"
@mornecoetzee735
@mornecoetzee735 5 лет назад
🤣🤣🤣"Spared no expense!"
@thegrimyeaper
@thegrimyeaper 5 лет назад
My favorite thing is to pretend I'm Paul and say the title of the video out loud before pressing play.
@parrisgeorge9708
@parrisgeorge9708 5 лет назад
Thanks for another good video. I REALLY like how you give full credit to people you've worked with and others in the industry. Good on you!
@avsystem3142
@avsystem3142 2 года назад
In the 1960's my father owned a pair of Wharfdale speakers (don't remember the model). Each of the two stereo speakers had six drivers, two 12" subs, two 8" mids and two tweeters. The cabinets were constructed of a double wall of 3/4" plywood with a space between walls filled with dry sand. Heavy is an understatement. I eventually ended up donating them to the local children's theater for auditorium filling sound.
@blackbearaudiophile9595
@blackbearaudiophile9595 5 лет назад
You are the science guy of sound! Love it! Thank you!
@paikiah77
@paikiah77 4 года назад
Thanks for answering my question, Paul!
@liquidamber
@liquidamber 5 лет назад
thanks Paul ....you make it easy .but... make my mind thinking for more inspiration....love it...super thanks you help me a lot
@catified2081
@catified2081 5 лет назад
High-end audio = Heavy
@itamarkas
@itamarkas 5 лет назад
Thanks for sharing. The French manufacturer Elipson used to make a lot of sphrical speakers, gorgeous art!
@eelcosterringa1374
@eelcosterringa1374 4 года назад
Cabasse (also from France) even better ones ...
@andershammer9307
@andershammer9307 5 лет назад
I love my old Spica SC-50 speaker with the round back. They are made from a cylinder but with a flat front baffle and a flat top. Not the best but very good for a smallish speaker. With French Audax 6.5 inch woofer and dome tweeter. They had thin foam around the speaker but it rotted. I'd like to find some replacement foam and upgrade the crossover.
@InsideOfMyOwnMind
@InsideOfMyOwnMind 5 лет назад
Woah, that was heavy, man. Ok, the rules that everyone works with when designing speakers have been with us for many decades. The differences in speakers is in the combinations of these rules and the extent to which each one are employed. The infinate possibilities are what keeps the art alive.
@leonarddaneman810
@leonarddaneman810 4 года назад
When I was an audio/video salesman, one of my demonstrations was to have the customer pick up the product. TV . . . stereo . . . heavy meant bigger parts and power supplies. Hitachi used to win the weigh competition a lot . . . of course, Carver and NAD figured out how to be more effective/efficient.
@robertnichols1124
@robertnichols1124 5 лет назад
The round speaker, among other shapes, was suggested in an enclosure study by Harry Olson in 1951. This was presented to the Audio Engineering Society. The PS Audio project certainly looks interesting!
@BrentLeVasseur
@BrentLeVasseur 3 года назад
I’m a noob when it comes to this audiophile hobby. But I love physics and strictly speaking from a physics perspective, the two best solutions for a speaker cabinet are 1) to get rid of the cabinet completely - e.g. open back speakers that emit in a dipole fashion (because the sideways waves will cancel themselves out)...OR 2) create a spherical or egg shaped speaker box that won’t create any standing waves (however in that case you have to deal with vibration of the cabinet itself so that adds levels of complexity to the design.) I recently came across these Egg shaped studio monitors that from a nerdy/physics perspective and from an aesthetics design perspective are pretty cool. They are the Munro SE Egg studio monitors. And to put my money where my mouth is, I recently purchased a pair of open back speakers - the Spacial Audio Sapphire M3s. They are a genius design in my opinion both from a physics perspective and from an aesthetic design perspective as it marries the two perfectly. They have a beautiful, museum quality bauhaus contemporary design that are both elegant and sound amazing. Who wants to have to re-create stone henge in your living room to get great sound? I sure don’t!!
@jordanlewis3790
@jordanlewis3790 5 лет назад
Do you think a spherical speaker within a rectangle would be a good idea?
@russredfern167
@russredfern167 5 лет назад
Paul , what year did he do the round speakers? I built a pair using a 6" woofer and a few small horns on top. This was 1978. Yes the sound was impressive.
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 5 лет назад
Also heavy speaker's do not move around so much from bass because of the force from the cone.
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 5 лет назад
@My Name What i mean is the Force what the speaker is creating from Moving. Depends on the speaker and enclosure of course.
@dambuster6387
@dambuster6387 5 лет назад
Harbeth HL5 Speaker cabinet are made to absorb energy and they are heavy cabinet so it depends on the manufacture design and thought process in what he believes in. I have a pair of HL5 speakers and are very open transparent sound.
@cp070476
@cp070476 5 лет назад
The heavier a speaker is normally means better quality drive units. Big motor structures weigh.. Top subs weigh a ton due to huge magnets.. My speakers are 57kg each and my sub is 63kg.. They don't get moved around much.😂
@jeppepedersen7006
@jeppepedersen7006 5 лет назад
cp070476 What speakers do you have?
@cp070476
@cp070476 5 лет назад
@@jeppepedersen7006 ATC SCM 100's
@jeppepedersen7006
@jeppepedersen7006 5 лет назад
cp070476 Those are some cool speakers i like the midrange it remindes me of my Dali 7a
@cp070476
@cp070476 5 лет назад
@@jeppepedersen7006 Yes they are very nice sounding speakers. Voices/vocals are especially good.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
To some degree, yes. But as a general rule the biggest difference in weight will be from the cabinet construction/materials. Also if the speaker has a self powered woofer(s), then the associated electronics will obviously add weight. Often I see two similarly sized speakers with same number of drivers and a large weight difference. I would avoid the light speaker. It is bound to have audible resonances somewhere in the response.
@victrollarocknrolla8244
@victrollarocknrolla8244 5 лет назад
Hi Paul,How did those round speakers sound ?
@r423sdex
@r423sdex 5 лет назад
Harbeth , Graham audio and spendor make great sounding light weight speakers. Beautifully made in the UK.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
Harbeth 30.2 are 26lbs. For a speaker about 18x12x12 and only 2 drivers, I would consider it average in weight for its class. Checking other models I found the same. They may seem light but they are rather small.
@r423sdex
@r423sdex 5 лет назад
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt yes but the walls are very thin. They are designed that way . Heavy speakers sound nowhere near as good.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
@@r423sdex The weight comes from somewhere though. Bracing? At any rate the finest sounding speakers made have nonresonant dense enclosures and as a result have significant weight to them. Harbeth speakers even though still somewhat resonant are less so than in earlier years. There is more than one way to skin a cat and very few choose to work WITH the resonances In order to ameliorate the deleterious effects. Most at least include cabinet density among other things in the fight against them.
@gryphongryph
@gryphongryph 5 лет назад
jeff lynne I am lucky to have my dream speaker, the Graham Audio LS 5/9, totally have fallen in love with the sound they make, timbre, clarity, the fantastic sound of piano or violins, wonderful speaker with jazz, but also very capable with blues and rock, could not be happier, have had 2 pair of speakers before, both using the thicker and heavier design philosophy and they sounded very nice too, but there is just something special about the Graham’s, they also work wonderfully on lower volume. They look like hand built speakers instead mass produced ones too, which is nice, just gorgeous. ;-)))
@jamesbaranowski8755
@jamesbaranowski8755 5 лет назад
Paul, when do you expect the Stellar line of speakers to be released and about what price point? May wait on new purchase to give yours a try. Thanks for the great info
@LordVictorHalgaard
@LordVictorHalgaard 5 лет назад
He mentioned it in a recent longer "talks" video from a show. I don't know if its that specific model, but I believe the cheapest or maybe second cheapest model was estimated at 17.000$ ?
@jamesbaranowski8755
@jamesbaranowski8755 5 лет назад
The Stellar line is going to be the more entry line, which will be more affordable. I did see that video and the top of line models look great but out of my range.
@nicolasjoly1755
@nicolasjoly1755 5 лет назад
elipson 40-50,spherical plaster loudspeaker put on a cylindrical plaster '4th order bass cabinet
@juliaset751
@juliaset751 5 лет назад
I remember seeing a cut away B&W matrix 801 at my HiFi shop years ago and was amazed at the bracing. I wonder though, if weight is added in some things just to make them appear to be substantial. The remote for my Primaluna amp weighs ¾ pound, that’s just silly and actually makes it less useful because it’s too heavy.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
The matrix in the 805 was much better than the 801. B&W had a speaker called the Matrix 1 that was seriously matrixed with the foam inserts but reviewers found them dead and uninvolving.
@juliaset751
@juliaset751 5 лет назад
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt I would love to see B&W build the enclosures and KEF build the drivers on some speakers. The newer KEF's look a lot like matrix enclosures though.
@ryacus
@ryacus 5 лет назад
I had the same theory, heavy wood cabinets with subpar drivers in them.
@trog69
@trog69 5 лет назад
The monitors on my desktop weigh close to 50lbs each, though they are massive for desktop speakers.
@jeffreyepiscopo
@jeffreyepiscopo 5 лет назад
What about Harbeth? They make them extremely light so that the cabinet resonates in a good way.
@peterhaslund
@peterhaslund 2 года назад
I believe Harbeth deploys a different strategy, thinking of their speakers more in terms of string instruments wherein the body "sings"
@404010ful
@404010ful 5 лет назад
My round ones for my home theater surrounds are orbs the sphere roundness are metal there solid and light and sound great to me. Good video.
@finscreenname
@finscreenname 4 года назад
The Emit died? Get a new $25 ribbon on eBay and save a fortune... If the round speakers were ugly but was a better sound why not build a round box inside of a light square exterior box?
@ryanschipp8513
@ryanschipp8513 5 лет назад
Love how Paul plugs...go heavy...go heavy...at the end(buy my speakers because they are HEAVY). SJ Park...allow me to save you thousands of dollars. 10k isn't needed to get a great sounding speaker. Suggestion #1...Canton A45...$3800 for the pair on Accessories4 less...Canton has been making speakers for almost 50 years, made in Germany, 85lbs each, triple 7" woofers, 7" mid, 1" ceramic tweeter...I own the Vento 890.2's WOW!! so sweet sounding...A45's are a steal at $3800. Suggestion #2...Polk Audio LSIM707...$1600 for the pair..got to look deep on the net to find that price but they are there...Polk...around since 1972...100lbs each...4 way..1" ring radiator, 3.25" mid, 6.5" mid, and dual 6x9 woofers. I own the bookshelves..........So sweet, punchy, dynamic.
@ryanschipp8513
@ryanschipp8513 5 лет назад
@Larry Niles oh really? Where did you get a chance to hear them?
@jeffjames4064
@jeffjames4064 3 года назад
I remember those round speakers, and I remember what I thought of them. 😁 if I knew then what I know now.
@JEG6919
@JEG6919 5 лет назад
Solid concrete is coming shortly to the industry. Now taking orders and you get to select your choice of colors. Acoustically sublime.
@brianmoore581
@brianmoore581 5 лет назад
Didn't Thiel make a speaker with a concrete baffle back in the 90's?
@JEG6919
@JEG6919 5 лет назад
@@brianmoore581 You are correct. It sunk the Company.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
Concrete is actually not that great as a speaker cabinet or practical.
@JEG6919
@JEG6919 5 лет назад
Nano concrete. Acoustically inert. Provides the sound deadening mass without the weight. Multiple applications, not just audio. Give it about three months before the news on it becomes more prevalent. Exciting times!
@avsystem3142
@avsystem3142 2 года назад
@@JEG6919 Never heard of nano concrete but foamed concrete is a thing.
@BryanTorok
@BryanTorok 3 года назад
Well, you didn't address the weight of the driver structure and magnets. And, what material the magnets are made of.
@angusvanhalen2886
@angusvanhalen2886 5 лет назад
I’m totally biased towards heavier gear, if I pick up something that’s lightweight, I put it right back down and keep searching for heft...be it massive power amp and or tiny headphone amp lol
@Scottlp2
@Scottlp2 4 года назад
Gotta agree. Though there are great bookshelf type speakers ($2-10k yikes) large floor standing speakers are better if you have the room. Same for class A (or A/B) for amps.
@rotaks1
@rotaks1 5 лет назад
KEF LS50s are light but great sounding.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
I actually hate how they sound.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
They are light only on an absolute scale. We're talking about a puny speaker here that still weighs 16 lbs.
@BruceCross
@BruceCross 3 года назад
Heavily is usually better, but not always. For example, British speakers in the LS5 tradition like Harbeth, Spendor, and Rogers use lossy cabinets.
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 5 лет назад
Still no replacement for displacement but newer materials can reduce the weight of a cab and retain rigidity.
@stevefick3919
@stevefick3919 5 лет назад
That's alright if your taking about a big block Chevy or a Hemi, but we're talking speakers here! LOL! The new LS-6 Speakers! Just messin' with ya!
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 5 лет назад
carbon fiber Line Source-6 ??? HA!:D
@Mark-lq3sb
@Mark-lq3sb 5 лет назад
The replacement for displacement is called a Power Adder. Almost a 1,000hp out of my twin turbo 4.6L Ford Cobra.
@PooNinja
@PooNinja 5 лет назад
@@Mark-lq3sb nice my 1.8l toyota gets about 120hp but its got 1400 watts of audio power :)
@Mark-lq3sb
@Mark-lq3sb 5 лет назад
@@PooNinja- Crank it up! Maybe I'll hear it many states away.
@jordanlewis3790
@jordanlewis3790 5 лет назад
We have the same chairs
@krsp420
@krsp420 5 лет назад
Which is that? I want one.
@mmmbbq
@mmmbbq 5 лет назад
The dude who wrote the letter could just get himself a new emit tweeter on ebay.
@stonefree1911
@stonefree1911 5 лет назад
Seriously, That's what I would do.
@paikiah77
@paikiah77 4 года назад
I wrote the letter. :) And Emit Rs (new) aren't available new... I hear most old ones on ebay are usually blown. Ended up with Focal Sopra 3... loving them!
@Synthematix
@Synthematix 5 лет назад
MDF is actually better than real wood for speakers, its better to build with mdf then add wood veneer on top
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
Yes, with exceptions. MDF is also much easier to work being more consistent and uniform. A veneer over the MDF doesn't hurt anything.
@mrhatch117
@mrhatch117 5 лет назад
MDF is for cheap ass IKEA furniture. Hardwood plywood will out perform MDF all day long!!
@avsystem3142
@avsystem3142 2 года назад
@@mrhatch117Plywood may be more physically robust than MDF but MDF is definitely less resonant that plywood because of the fibrous nature of the core and therefore a potentially better choice for a speaker cabinet.
@mrhatch117
@mrhatch117 2 года назад
@@avsystem3142 don’t disagree with you. Stiffness of the enclosure definitely changes the sound/tone and resonate frequencies. I just don’t like MDF as you well know the pitfalls. IMO it is way over used due to the price. Just hate to see anyone spend a lot of money on “lifetime “ speakers that have an enclosure that will not last a lifetime. There are other methods to “tune” a hardwood cabinet
@peterfernandezjr5914
@peterfernandezjr5914 2 года назад
My old BIC towers weigh a ton, yet compared to my just acquired Emotiva bookshelf, they sound like crap and the new ones weigh little.
@gerritgovaerts8443
@gerritgovaerts8443 5 лет назад
Siegfried Linkwitz's Pluto and LXmini omnidirectional speakers have enclosures made out of lightweight PVC piping : www.linkwitzlab.com/Pluto/Pluto-2.htm www.linkwitzlab.com/LXmini/Introduction.htm
@stonefree1911
@stonefree1911 5 лет назад
Upcoming AN and upcoming Stellar series speakers. Define "upcoming"...………………………………..
@LordVictorHalgaard
@LordVictorHalgaard 5 лет назад
They've showed them at hifi shows, so it in the finalizing stages.
@johnholmes912
@johnholmes912 3 года назад
my little stand-mounts weigh a ton
@TheRockerxx69
@TheRockerxx69 5 лет назад
Yes heavy are better. Mass. Bracing. Dampening. That makes a better sound. Mine DIY are 360 lbs each
@Montreal_Audio_Systems
@Montreal_Audio_Systems 5 лет назад
Now that's serious stuff let me guess JBL pro stuff
@TheRockerxx69
@TheRockerxx69 5 лет назад
@@Montreal_Audio_Systems not really : bass module cement ballasted, heavy braced and dampened cabinet walls : Seas aluminium woofers. Focal midrange in another module. Morel Tweeter.
@ped-away-g1396
@ped-away-g1396 5 лет назад
not always. heavier weight can be due to many things. heavier material, more bracing or simply because it's bigger. none of these can ensure elimination of audible panel resonance. what you want to look for is a proper bracing which is almost impossible unless they have a cutaway model to show you the inside of the speaker. a proper bracing needs at least connecting each panel to another perpendicular panel. connecting a panel to the opposite one is pretty much pointless and is a waste of time and resource. this is one of the reasons when it comes to speakers, i'd prefer DIY approach.
@jonathansturm4163
@jonathansturm4163 5 лет назад
"connecting a panel to the opposite one is pretty much pointless and is a waste of time and resource." Joseph D'Appolito, Phil Vafiadis and AR Bailey might disagree with that. It's what you do when building a folded transmission line cabinet. OTOH if you build a _straight_ transmission line as a friend of mine did, you end up with a tapered box that's 3.6 metres (12 feet) long. Unwieldy to say the least. His wife hated them with great hatred and he eventually had to get rid of them.
@ped-away-g1396
@ped-away-g1396 5 лет назад
@@jonathansturm4163 in that case, it's done primarily for lengthening the pathway. though each panel connects opposite panels together but also connects perpendicular panels too so it can act as a brace. what i meant is connecting 'only' opposite panels together like what some knockdown cabinets do www.parts-express.com/Data/Default/Images/Catalog/Original/300-7088_ALT_1.jpg
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
Disagree. Bracing a panel against a parallel panel shifts the resonances higher in the frequency range. For a bass resonance that would ameliorate the deleterious effects of said resonance. Low frequency panel resonances are the most destructive and easily heard. They tend to stay around longer. Perimeter or window bracing is the easiest type to make in manufacturing and the most commonly used. With that said the effectiveness of a brace is greatest at the mid point of each panel.
@ped-away-g1396
@ped-away-g1396 5 лет назад
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt then do it your way, i don't care.
@ped-away-g1396
@ped-away-g1396 5 лет назад
@My Name the whole point of bracing is to uneven the structure of the enclosure. the rigidity is just a byproduct.
@AndyBHome
@AndyBHome 5 лет назад
What about an egg shaped speaker? (chicken egg for the detail oriented among you). Isn't the egg one of the strongest 3-dimensional shapes around?
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
It's not so much about strength as resistance to resonances within the audible range.
@avsystem3142
@avsystem3142 2 года назад
A sphere is stronger than an ellipsoid. Eggs are not round because they would roll out of the nest too easily.
@Toolgdskli
@Toolgdskli 2 года назад
Why not enclose a round speaker in a lightweight box?
@ryacus
@ryacus 5 лет назад
I mean you could have some very heavy cabinet's with some very shitty drivers in them, I bet some more obscure brands do it make their products seem more premium.
@kalijasin
@kalijasin 4 года назад
The new thing now is egg shaped e.g. MunroSonic Egg 100.
@y.k.9705
@y.k.9705 4 года назад
I don't understand, can't an engineer place a ball speaker in a box? Since people like box speakers?
@nickclark6001
@nickclark6001 5 лет назад
You can always put a round speaker enclosure in a square box 🤓
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
Not in the reasonably priced speaker category. In the expensive range, there are better ways to go about it.
@user-od9iz9cv1w
@user-od9iz9cv1w 4 года назад
or a round full range on top of a box of woofers like B&W
@m.morininvestor9920
@m.morininvestor9920 4 года назад
I have 2 sets of Kenwood and they feel thin as fuck 😅
@randomweirdyoutubechannel8955
@randomweirdyoutubechannel8955 4 года назад
I hope I don't become an audiophile cuz damn that shits expensive
@alexanderwesner9980
@alexanderwesner9980 5 лет назад
1975 Advent large tasty
@davidmatthewwilkins9615
@davidmatthewwilkins9615 5 лет назад
I fully agrede keith you ! I have 8 sets 🙃 and the AR9, AR90, AR11,AR10, I MUST BE CRAZY 🤔
@belcantobrasil
@belcantobrasil 2 года назад
1:35 Only siths deal with absolutes.
@MrPeeBeeDeeBee
@MrPeeBeeDeeBee 5 лет назад
Heavy guitars are a downer though.... and usually not as good a s the lighter ones
@upsty6499
@upsty6499 2 года назад
Neurolinguistics is a strange concept.
@logtothebase2
@logtothebase2 5 лет назад
light Speaker is an oxymoron.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад
How so?
@no_bull
@no_bull 2 года назад
You want British speakers? Look no further than Tannoy.
@jimydrinkworld
@jimydrinkworld 5 лет назад
First
@endrizo
@endrizo 5 лет назад
So what? Do ypu want an standing ovation or what? Say something worth reading.
@awdadwadwad1723
@awdadwadwad1723 5 лет назад
@Charlie-zj3hw
@Charlie-zj3hw 5 лет назад
Are you 8 yrs old? This trend on being first to comment is retarded
@mag-wp6yt
@mag-wp6yt 5 лет назад
@@Charlie-zj3hw Maybe you don't know the meaning of that word? I find these 'firsties' infuriating also but there's plenty of people on these threads with disabled family members who don't need to be subjected to people flippantly using that term. Not sure how it became such an all too common insult on the internet.
@paulwibb.8944
@paulwibb.8944 5 лет назад
Don't listen to them Jim,, they wanted to be first really,, they're just jealous.