Are Jean Paul cheap PRO saxophones any good?

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Today I'm testing the PROFESSIONAL model alto and soprano from Jean Paul. How does the $1500 JP AS-860 alto compare to my $3000 Yamaha 62 alto?
And, does the $1500 JP SS-860 keep up with my $5000 Yamaha soprano?
Please let me know your thoughts in a comment below.
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Chapters:
0:00 - About this lesson
1:12 - The Jean Paul USA: AS-860
3:57 - The Yamaha: YAS-62
5:32 - The Comparison of the Altos
7:20 - The Jean Paul: SS-860
10:05 - The Yamaha: YSS-82Z
11:17 - The comparison of the Sopranos
13:09 - Tips before buying a saxophone
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@kenhartman5218 10 месяцев назад

This isn't quite a fair comparison - Nigel could play a paper tube and make it sound great. The question is what do the saxes sound like in the hands of a regular player?

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Ha! Actually those paper tubes are hard to keep in tune Ken! To be honest I think it's often harder to hear / feel the difference between an intermediate and a high level pro sax in the hands of a less experienced player.

@patrickmarino8601 8 месяцев назад

I love yamaha saxes. Each horn has a fantastic sound. I rate a good sound different than most people do . I rate a sound according to how long would I enjoy listening to the sound. I could listen to these horns for hours and still want to hear more. Sometimes when I hear saxes one song and I've had enough and the sound of them is not bad but the color of the tone doesn't keep my interest. All that being said I believe the yamaha has a deeper core while the jean paul 860 has a warmer sound. Breathe control of soft to loud seemed a little more controlled on the jean paul. This might be a result of the difference in resistance on that horn. Thanks for the comparison. Great job! Patrick

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 8 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@24_music_at_sea 10 месяцев назад

Thans Nigel for this video, I am not looking for an other sax but was just curious. What I discovered in this video that you are a very great sax player. I'll think I'll add you to my favorite saxophonists now.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Thanks very much!

@robstevens9590 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Nigel. I find it very interesting that you did this review today! I happen to be visiting a relative in the neighborhood of the Jean-Paul headquarters in Miami! This encourages me to go and try out their horns. I'm not shopping for an alto or soprano as I am happy with the ones I have, but I am considering getting a tenor. We'll see.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Oh cool. Yes the Jean Paul guys are based down there. They are nice people too. The tenor looks interesting too Rob. I'll have to test it soon. Thanks for watching.

@jasonturner928 10 месяцев назад

I bought my daughter a Jean Paul beginner horn 3 yrs ago, and it plays quite well. Has really held up well in high school band. I’m considering upgrading her to the pro horn.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Cool!

@jillytiffen6305 21 день назад

Great video Nigel! 😁👌Would still love a comparison between the Jean Paul AS 400 and their pro 860 to hear the differences there? 🤔

@thepianokid27 10 месяцев назад

Didn't expect the difference to be so minute between the sopranos! Amazing tone at an even more amazing price for the Jean Paul! I've been looking to get a soprano within a certain budget and this definitely is on that list! :) Thanks for making this comparison video Nigel!

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

You're welcome!

@alanpavel361 10 месяцев назад

The Jean Paul was darker and had a more center tone. The Yamaha was a little brighter, with a little more edge and resonance. The Jean Paul is an excellent value at it’s price point.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for your thoughts.

@c.l.4895 10 месяцев назад

The big question is how the horn performs 5, 10, 20 years later? Will adjustments hold? Will pads keep sealing? Will it be worth investing another $1000 when it is time for maintenance, or is it a “disposable“ horn?

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

That’s a valid question though they have both had a lot of playing over the past couple months and have held up well. A good repairer can sort most issues inexpensively anyway. And of course, you have spent a lot less on this sax at the start. If this is the limit of your budget I thinks it’s a good choice.

@c.l.4895 10 месяцев назад

@@McGillMusicSaxSchool And to be fair, I've also seen sax repair folks on social media showing examples of less-than-supreme workmanship on certain very expensive modern horns...

@zeniktorres4320 10 месяцев назад

I have got the cheaper Jean Paul AS400 alto, and it has come out of adjustment (amongst other issues) after less than year, it needs repair to be playable again. I'm back to using my 35 year old Yamaha YAS-62 (mid 1980's) which has never come out of adjustment. The intonation is very good on the AS400 though. I assume this 'pro' version to be better made with better quality control.

@nicku251 9 месяцев назад

i started on their tenor before buying a yts 62 and i still have it its a great horn for the money but it came with some quality issues , however they where excellent at sorting the issues so i cant fault them. the new pro models sound amazing well worth it so i will likely order the alto very soon.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 9 месяцев назад

Awesome! Glad they did a good job of sorting the issues.

@carrache 10 месяцев назад

Nice video Nigel. The comparisons are very logical and well executed technically. For me I preferred the Yamaha soprano's slightly fuller, warmer sound. The JP sounded a bit more wooden to me, but not particularly bad, and certainly not $3500 worse. The altos were a little closer and I think I actually preferred the JP, which sounded a touch brighter to my ears. Thanks for the comparison. I think videos like these help sharpen our skills as listeners.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Cheers

@jimburns2981 Месяц назад

I just purchased the Jean Paul Professional AS860- 10th Anniversary Edition Silver finish, Alto. I love this instrument. Even the JP mouthpiece that comes with is very good.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool Месяц назад

Awesome. Enjoy your new sax and come see us if you need help playing (14 day trial is a great way to try out the lessons).

@marcobadilla8773 5 месяцев назад

Los dos Jean Paul los encontre mas oscuros, centrados y con muy buen cuerpo y proyección. Me impresiono su afinación también. El precio para mi igual sigue siendo alto y me llegan dos preguntas. Cuánto tiempo durara el calibrado en buen estado? Y como andaría con un Yamaha 475 usado que tiene un precio similar. Gracias por el video y toda la información

@BlackOutTheAlbum 6 месяцев назад

My son just got the Jean Paul 10 year Anniversary Edition for Christmas, and LOVES it! He says he feels the difference between it and his starter beginner sax. Overall, the price point was fit for my budget and it leveled up his playing.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 6 месяцев назад

Awesome. I’m glad he is enjoying his new sax!

@AlexVolkhin13 7 месяцев назад

The old Yamaha is great. I don't understand why they are not being produced now.

@orlaspring363 10 месяцев назад

Color me surprised! Would you test the tenor for us, as well, Nigel? While I'd love to get a YTS-62 for my teen, it's out of range (even used horns are) at present.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

That's a great idea Orla - I'll put a tenor test on my list.

@samuelsullivan9546 10 месяцев назад

The wonderful thing about these "budget" saxes is that it let's those of us on a fixed income to learn to play and to take lessons. I recently bought a Better Sax alto for $900. With price difference between it and a Yamaha student sax, I could afford to join Saxschoolonline. In a year or so, I might decide to learn tenor sax.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Great point and wonderful to have you learning with us!!!

@donstephens3753 5 месяцев назад

Hmm, the key touches turned white on the AS-860 in the playing videos and the octave key looks like the YAS-62, was there a scuff in the video?

@lenwalsh9160 10 месяцев назад

Agree, one could have a paper towel tube, brass or composite carbon instrument. In reality it’s the geometry of the instrument, technique of the player, mouthpiece, and reed makes all the difference. Beautiful playing regardless. Students must be thrilled.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. Though I do think the material the sax is made from does make a difference.

@noahtruth6554 10 месяцев назад

I thought I might have heard some clangs as you handled the JP Alto. What’s the build quality like. Not asking about the looks but the quality. Are the pads, rods, corks, keys solid.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

All feels really good to me. I genuinely like playing it.

@zabellesax 10 месяцев назад

Thank you very much Nigel. As usual your playing is outstanding. Get a student on there to demonstrate, I think it will be more realistic. I personally could not tell the difference between the saxes and the John Paul is fantastic.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Zabelle. Though sometimes the differences with a less experienced sax player may be harder to spot.

@zabellesax 10 месяцев назад

@@McGillMusicSaxSchool oh really, I did not know that, I thought it was the opposite.

@stringgs 10 месяцев назад

Nigel, as always, your playing is outstanding regardless of the instruments you choose to play. As well as you played the Jean Paul alto saxophone, you played the Yamaha noticeably better. The Jean Paul alto saxophone looks and sounds like a great purchase, however, the Yamaha outshined it. Thanks for the video!

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed the comparison - it's always tricky because I've played my Yamaha alto for so many years I'll always feel more comfortable on it.

@v0xius785 8 месяцев назад

Nigel, on the website they advertised a “black pearl” for the keys, this turned out to be plastic in most other videos ( this is for the anniversary edition ). It’s now advertised as blue sandstone. What kind of feeling would those key touches have? Is that the same as the “plastic” I’ve heard advertised?

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 8 месяцев назад

Well…..they’re plastic. Nothing fancy but they do the job. At the end of the day the key touches all kind of work the same (except for really cheap ones). These feel ok. It’s just down to how you think it looks.

@benhostetler268 10 месяцев назад

The YAS-62 MK1 has more tonal color but the Sopranos were very close for a budget Sop I’d be happy with the JP.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Cool.

@vincescuderi 10 месяцев назад

Both very similar. But, maybe I'm trying too hard to hear a difference, the Yamaha alto to me has a stronger/richer midrange resonance within each note. Otherwise, they sound identical. To me. Thanks for the demo.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Cheers. Thanks for letting me know Vince.

@CC_Rider55 10 месяцев назад

Did you try their pro tenor yet? curious to know if you think it plays well considering the price?

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Not yet but it's on my list!

@WayneSwanson 10 месяцев назад

The problem with all of these comparisons, and they are all over the RU-vid musical instrument channels, is that sound comparisons don’t tell us a whole lot. Most horns sound different from brand to brand, if not horn to horn. Ergonomics and key layout are easy to copy these days, but with what materials? All of these videos are careful to include the phrase “for the price.” Which is a way of saying it’s good for a lower quality horn. If you have ever spent time with a good tech they will tell you that a good, expensive, saxophone will have better quality parts and mechanisms. Cheaper instruments tend to wear out and fall out of adjustment more often due to inferior parts and workmanship. Not all, but many. So, a real test would be checking in after someone plays that horn regularly for a year.

@mikekelly2387 10 месяцев назад

Dr. Wally Wallace (Saxophone Academy) did a review of the alto after playing it for a year and said it held up well.

@jasonturner928 10 месяцев назад

My daughters beginner JP has held up to 3 years of middle and high school use. 2 years marching.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

It's always a balance between price and quality, but not everyone can afford a super expensive sax, or even a used lot model pro sax. Just like Wally, I've not found any wear issues with the Jean Paul saxes I have either and they have been played a lot. Hope the review was helpful.

@zeniktorres4320 10 месяцев назад

I have the cheaper Jean Paul AS400 and it has come out of adjustment after less than a year (need repair to be playable again), and there are other issues with the quality control and design that it has. I could not return it because I'm an international buyer. However, others have had different experiences. Now I'm back to playing my trusty and reliable 35 year old Yamaha YAS-62. Consistent quality control cost more.

@adamatari 10 месяцев назад

Actually liked the Jean Paul alto more, but thought the Yamaha soprano sounded better. But both of them sound very good (at least in your hands). The warmer tone of the JP alto is noticeable, it’s not a huge difference but it’s there.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Interesting. Thanks for letting me know. Glad you liked the alto.

@gilsontopfstedt3554 3 месяца назад

The Chinese horns are been sold for a high price, considering the production costs. Paying half price of a Yamaha...OK... but a professional Japanese Yamaha is worth double the price of a still unknown Chinese horn, at least. The sound of the JP saxex are pretty good. Like it a lot.

@marcodioguardi6426 10 месяцев назад

Nigel really I like better the timber of the Jean Paul is warmer than the Yamaha

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Ok that's interesting to hear.

@natthegnat 10 месяцев назад

The tonality difference on the sopranos was very clear... well, at least the Yamaha was very clear, while the Jean Paul kind of sounded stuffy.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Ok cool. Interesting to hear them side by side right?

@natthegnat 10 месяцев назад

@@McGillMusicSaxSchool It was interesting to hear them side by side. Despite what I said, though, the Jean Paul is a fantastic instrument for that price!

@viclobocga2615 10 месяцев назад

Jean Paul is warmer a tad bit. definitely worth the low price, I will consider getting one.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Cool!

@willisshell6828 10 месяцев назад

You can definitely tell the difference between the two better quality tone on the Yamaha the cheaper is chopie and not mellow personal for myself selmer mark 6 is the best

@tonyr.4778 10 месяцев назад

I also hear the difference and much prefer the Yamaha. Tone is balanced and sings. Most noticeable as you play louder.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, that is interesting.

@eddyhoughton6542 2 месяца назад

OK, what about future servicing and resale value? Wouldn't it be fairer to compare the JPs with second hand saxes worth roughly the same? What happens when you want to trade up? A second hand Selmer, Yanagisawa or Yamaha will hold its value and you won't lose out whereas a new JP, Eastman, or Antigua will be really hard to sell on for a reasonable price.

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 23 дня назад

That’s true - a used pro horn from a major brand will generally be better value and I often recommend considering that option. But if you want new and have a smaller budget the Jean Paul are a good idea.

@BobBattyMusik 10 месяцев назад

Doesn't seem as if they have a distributor in Europe. The US website had them for sale but warned me there would be around $600 in taxes to add on. Admittedly, still a great price compared to a 5k horn!

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

I think you will have to buy direct from them online at the moment. Their student models are on Amazon though.

@SamWattRock 10 месяцев назад

Jean Paul has a $2000 tenor pro model. Can you comment on that one?

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

I’ll be doing a test on one of those soon.

@bobyoutube4037 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, to be fair I can't hear 1500 difference, I guess it's down to how they feel,

@Nukage-oy1es 5 месяцев назад

Has no one noticed that the Jean Paul alto performance was not the same instrument as the one he is talking about (10th anniversary has black pearls yet the one he performed on has the normal color pearls). Strange... Very strange indeed...

@michaelchan6358 10 месяцев назад

I can't find the SS-860 in UK stores😒

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

I think you can order direct from their website: jeanpaulusa.com/pages/saxophones

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@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Thanks so much!

@dme7689 10 месяцев назад

Wish they'd ditch those dark key touches already. What were they thinking of?

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

I agree!

@brigitte546 10 месяцев назад

I guess, Nigel, if you were blowing on a tin whistle, you would sound as smooth and beautiful... now, the difference is minimal, for me the Jean Paul sounds slightly warmer and that's a question of taste. Very interesting though. 🎶

@McGillMusicSaxSchool 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching.