Are Josh Pate and Sonny Dykes Endorsing a Double Standard?

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Are Josh Pate and Sonny Dykes contradicting themselves with their Group of 5 CFP takes? Let's react to a couple of clips that are calling for separation. Should the G5 have its own playoff? Are G5 teams really that much below mid-low-tier P4 teams?
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@rogb7770 Месяц назад

We need you and Josh Pate to have a face to face addressing this directly! Love the show and been a fan since day 1. As a UTSA fan, I fear that that media and money powers that be are collectively gearing to take out the G5 out of a playoff spot in general which is insane in my eyes. Keep up the great work, glad to see you back!

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Appreciate you Rog! And sign me up for that, I’m in 💯🫡 Would be nice if the G5 bid this year gets a 1st round win…might help the long-term stability of that bid

@rogb7770 Месяц назад

@@CollegeUnderdogsI like how you’re thinking 🧠🧠

@michaelwall3393 Месяц назад

@@CollegeUnderdogsif Memphis is the G5 representative, they will win one playoff game definitely no matter who the opponent is from A4. Can Memphis win two games get to the Semifinals? Possibly but depends on who that matchup would be against. If it is against the Big12 champs or ACC champs, then they would have a good chance of winning. If they face the SEC or BiG10 champs, probably not but never say never. Other G5 schools that are capable of winning at least one playoff game: App State, CCU, any of the Service Academies, USF, Tulane, JMU, Troy, Toledo, Ohio, Fresno State, Boise State, and Liberty (and know they were crushed by Oregon, but previously had done well against A4).

@knox2tall Месяц назад

Trey!!!! Missed ya bud hope all is well looking forward to the show

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Appreciate you Knox! 🫡

@tylernelson3343 23 дня назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs to be honest with you about Florida has been mostly irrelevant since Urban Meyer days.

@noelmoreno2173 Месяц назад

You’re a great advocate for the G5 and truth in general. Thank you!

@CollegeUnderdogs 23 дня назад

💯💪

@davidwendt954 Месяц назад

Glad you are back! Great episode and I would like to point out, that Vegas tells you all you need to know. There are multiple “G5” teams with much better odds to win the cfp than some “P4” teams.

@CollegeUnderdogs 23 дня назад

Good call!! And it’s good to be back

@stephensipe5405 Месяц назад

Welcome back!!!

@MrJara1018 Месяц назад

Welcome Back Trey!

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Good to be back! 🫡

@patpozzuto4809 29 дней назад

The purpose for that type of conversation it's an easy way to avoid potential antitrust lawsuits...

@blevo7426 Месяц назад

Mean green fan here missed you, glad you're back.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

💯🫡

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

The argument that makes more sense to me is that bowl games are increasingly meaningless, G5 playoffs would actually give a championship to compete for, and you wouldn’t have to bleed yourself dry financially trying to compete with the P4(with the house settlement, you now definitely would have to bleed yourself dry to keep up).

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Good take What are your thoughts on the overall interest, engagement and even media coverage this type of format would garner?

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs I think a G5 playoff, scheduled in early bowl season, would get as much or more viewership than early season bowls, and would offer far more chances at school pride than getting smacked by 40 vs LSU, who unlike USC in the cotton bowl, won’t have players sitting out for the draft because it’s a playoff game, and also will be 1000% motivated to win, because it’s a playoff game.

@aBrewster29 Месяц назад

What would be much more interesting is to revitalize the bowls as invitationals that bring together the P4s and G5s. Imagine teams playing for the prize of traveling to the bowl site, like its own mini playoff. If fanbases can get excited over making a run in the NIT, this would be next level.

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

@@aBrewster29 most fanbases don’t get that excited over an NIT run anymore though, and the autonomy conferences likely wouldn’t agree to what you describe for football

@aBrewster29 29 дней назад

@@rangersking6699 I guess I can only speak for my own school, but we got excited!

@michaelwall3393 Месяц назад

I missed seeing your posts and shows. You are awesome bud 👍💯👍!

@MrJara1018 Месяц назад

What about another NIT style playoff for G5, with CFP still open to appropriate deserving teams like a 2021 Cincinnati, 2007 Boise St, 2015 Houston , 2011 TCU ,2017 UCF?

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

I’ve thought about this too and really like this idea! Unfortunately, I believe if the G5 had their own, it would give P4 ammo they need to officially exile them for good

@tylernelson3343 Месяц назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs Trey Smith I glad that I found your channel

@depaul1115 Месяц назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs I like the idea of the 4 out of 9 conference champs not in the playoff facing off in a 4-team bracket tournament with current bowls hosting the matchups. Most years this would just be the 4 G5 conference champs that didn't make the playoffs but if this was 2020 then the 4 teams would have been: #23 San Jose St, #24 Oregon, UAB, and Ball St.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

@@depaul1115 Love this idea 💯

@marcuslambert627 29 дней назад

The look of disgust after saying wash. St. Lost to Nevada is priceless (8:52)

@CollegeUnderdogs 29 дней назад

😅😅

@tylernelson3343 23 дня назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs don’t forget about Washington State beating Wisconsin in back to back years. You can make the argument that Big Ten isn’t as good as they claim. Most of the teams in the Big Ten are not going to win national championship in football.

@riccorich Месяц назад

The only way the College playoff would mean anything If all Conference champions get a bid

@CarlaJenkinsTV Месяц назад

0:54 RU-vid do be hating on your channel. This is the first time that you've come up in my feed since you were planning to change the name to College Underdogs.

@nickflahive8903 29 дней назад

As a P5 fan I concede you actually make a good point that it destroys relevancy of G5 football to some degree, and it removes the underdog component. I think the best way to tell is see how the 5 v 12 matchup actually goes for a few years in the playoff and see what the overall reaction is. But the "G5 relevancy" argument also doesn't really make sense at the same time because 90% of G5 teams on any given year don't have anywhere near a shot at the NY6 bid, and the fans still enjoy the teams for what they are. It's only one game that's supposed to satisfy all the G5 fans simultaneously. I think a G5 playoff would provide more interest for the more G5 fans as a whole. Just look at the fan attendance and intensity at FCS home playoff games.

@CollegeUnderdogs 29 дней назад

You make a good point…thanks for watching

@jeh58 Месяц назад

Beaver fan here & I am glad you are back. The P2 is pulling further apart, so in a few years it won't matter. It will be the P2 (NFL light) and the rest of the left overs. I don't think there will be much, if any distinction from the G5 & B12/ACC. That is if even the ACC will be around by then. Does anyone think that the P2 give a rat's a$$ about anyone other than the P2? Many think the the P2 will evidentially boot out their own low hanging fruit from their own conferences. The media dollars are limited and if the P2 can find more ways to get it from the G5, ACC, & the B12 they will. I think the sooner the G5 take control of their own future the better. That will go for all sports. A few years down the road the B12 would more likely come calling & what is left over from the ACC. If that happens and the P2 want to schedule a G5 school raise the price for them to do it, they have the money. Just my opinion. Let them play money ball and the rest of us can get back to playing actual college sports.

@CarlaJenkinsTV 29 дней назад

I am an Ohio State fan. Nobody's getting booted from the Big Ten. That rumor was started by the Big 12. Both conferences are in the Midwest. The Big 12 is mad that its playoff record is 1-6 with Texas and Oklahoma having 0-5 record and leaving for the SEC.

@jeh58 29 дней назад

@@CarlaJenkinsTV Well I am happy you are the decision maker for the B1G & SEC. So no worries then.

@curtismn31 Месяц назад

Here’s the problem there’s different levels of G5 teams. So that’s where it gets difficult to determine everything just like there’s different levels of power for conference.teams.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Totally agree…which is why it isn’t reasonable to lump all G5’s in with LaTech and all P4’s with Georgia and Bama

@CarlaJenkinsTV 29 дней назад

There's also different levels of P4. Alabama and Vanderbilt are different levels in the same SEC. They conveniently don't talk about that.

@Diegodrez1 Месяц назад

Absolutely brother preach

@CarlaJenkinsTV Месяц назад

3:40 Well, technically Sonny. TCU and Georgia weren't playing the same sport in that 2023 national championship game where you got thumped 65-7. The nerve of some people.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

💯💯💯💯💯💯

@OrpheusAudioAcademy Месяц назад

Pate also said under that scenario he would move several G5 teams up and several P4 teams down. So he would agree with your first point.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Thank you for sharing this, I’d be curious which teams he’d promote and which he’d relegate

@tylernelson3343 23 дня назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs what about teams that usually don’t field good teams or largely been irrelevant in football for years.

@travissullivan6575 29 дней назад

G5 teams that do well are like UM last year: Heavily senior laden, with good luck, no injuries and a field that is good for them. But with the transfer portal, that's becoming rarer and rarer as the top g5 players (and bottom p4 players) will bounce to a top program for coverage, coaching/facilities and NIL. The separation between them has only gotten worse and worse, and it will continue to do so. atm, the G5 champ is acting like the 5-seed's warmup game, and I don't see that getting better.

@herbertgilchrest6541 Месяц назад

Right on the money

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

💯

@EricCuellarDesignandFilm Месяц назад

Good to have you back. The CFP will always find a way to limit access of G5s (2 or less) because the P4s can't handle losing to them, and what it will do to their brand status. Nobody wants to be OU on national TV losing to Boise. P4 goal: maintain the image of being better than everyone, while not really having to play everyone. They know if they make it fair and allow the equal access, eventually, the talent pool will spread to G5s (parity) and the P4 progams may start to fade when they're not the last schools being shown on TV in December. So, to simplify, I say we're all FBS, and the CFP includes the conference champ from all the FBS conferences. Or, we split so G5s actually get have a real, and more fair, shot at playing for titles each year. As for your bracket, I think the G5 playoff would get more eyes than FCS. Yes, the G5 names are less valuable than the P4, but the names you had in that bracket are way more recognizable than FCS. But if the G5s break off, I'd like to see them bring in a 6th conference and try to figure out how to go more regional conference alignments.

@nathanvandyke9951 28 дней назад

After seeing that the playoff committee didn't let in an undefeated P5 conference champ, there's no way in he'll you ever have more than 1 G5 team in the 12-team playoff. With NIL, the gap between P5 and G5 continues to widen. Let's be real, P5 and G5 are separate divisions, at least that's how the playoff committee sees it. Seems like the gap between G5 and P5 is larger than the gap between FBS and FCS.

@CollegeUnderdogs 28 дней назад

The gap between the top tier P4 and the mid-lower tier G5 is certainly getting wider and wider However the gap between the low tier P4 (which is a lot of teams) and the top tier G5 isn’t as wide as the media narrative makes it seem

@nathanvandyke9951 28 дней назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs Oh yeah, I think any of the top ten G5 teams could easily win on the road against the bottom ten P4 teams. I'd take Toledo over Virginia any day. But, that doesn't fit the narrative, and the problem is that while there are examples of G5 teams doing well in the regular season but falling off in their bowl games, it is important to remember that in a 12-team format, 2022 USC vs Tulane likely would've been a playoff matchup. And I don't know if USC would've played any differently in a playoff scenario. Things like that would be a lot more common than people think, but no one with money wants to see the little guys get a chance. They talk about how a wider playoff makes the regular season mean less, but it's already meaningless to every single G5 school, unless they go undefeated.

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

One other point for you to consider: in this world where resources play out more directly on the field than ever with the house settlement..these lower tier power schools will be the underdogs. But unlike a G5 underdog, there’s still some level of assurance they have resources thanks to broadcast TV money, and they likely have some level of established donor base a G5 can’t match. On top of this, most of the football fanbase identifies more with these underdogs because they have a more national brand due to their conference affiliation, if not athletic history(which the vast majority have been power schools for 50+ years, perhaps with some hiatuses between periods). Viewers don’t even know who Tulane is, and I’m not talking about the pate state crowd or other online crowds, I’m talking about the mindless crowd who just turns the tv on Saturday, which is the vast majority of people. For the same reasons, people will always tune into Auburn vs Mississippi or Iowa vs Michigan State. All of this is unfair of course, but this is the world we live in.

@CarlaJenkinsTV Месяц назад

Visibility trumps ability. With the new House vs NCAA settlement, segregating the Group of Five from the Power Four (even though both are division I) would be the death knell of these programs. The G5 needs that college playoff visibility to get better players, more NIL and more TV money.

@jzda1slabrider852 Месяц назад

I think they should have a small playoffs prior to the real big boy playoffs to see who get that 12 spot.. I think they could achieve that if they shorten their season to eight games

@buff21cc Месяц назад

Why do they allow Gonzaga, Butler, VMI, Seton Hall, Villanova etc play in March Madness? Or Coastal Carolina in the College World Series?

@lsuvsfar5071 29 дней назад

I'm not a fan of a G5 team, but I think that the argument that Pate is making is a dangerous argument to be making. You started to touch on it when you were comparing P4 and G5 teams, but I think you can take it further. How many SEC teams are actually competing for a national title? How many Big 10 teams? Realistically, I think you could pick out somewhere around 10-18 teams that are actually competing for a national title, the rest just aren't. I think there is a realistic future where these teams just break off and leave the rest to fend for themselves, because like you said, there isn't a huge gap between a lot of teams. Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri, and Ole Miss are schools that just aren't competing for national titles, nor are they schools that bring a ton of value to the SEC. You could argue that, right now, Tennesee, Texas A&M, Florida, and Auburn aren't competing either. If we break off the G5 from the P4, we're one step closer to a future where the big boys break off and we see the sport become a zombie of what it used to be.

@ninjadanny628 29 дней назад

My argument against the G5 separate playoff is also, does Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Maryland, Miss State, Wake Forest, & Iowa State have any higher chance compared to ULM, Memphis, & San Jose State? Vanderbilt hasn’t beaten Alabama since 1984. Rutgers has beaten Ohio State 0 times, Maryland has played penn State 46 times and only won 3 times. The argument of, if they can’t play the “same sport” and compete with the Alabamas and Georgia’s of the world, then there should only be a Playoff of just Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Oregon, Penn State, and LSU. Their own conferences have trouble competing with them, so why act like they are on the same level.

@renerocha6334 Месяц назад

Georgia and TCU 🤷🏻‍♂️

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Exactly 💯

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

Here’s the thing: the 12 seed g5 team wouldn’t actually be playing the 5th best team, but likely the 3rd best team. Whoever doesn’t win the SEC is going to not have a first round bye and they get the 12 seed. LSU, Texas, Georgia right now could all smack anybody they get from the G5 forehand backhand, and it will be that way for awhile, if not always with the new house structure making it financially impossible for the G5 to compete.

@hanhi125 29 дней назад

I watch Josh Pate all the time have been for over a year. The point he's making that everyone seems to miss is that no matter what the best team in G5 is they will almost always NOT make it past the first round of the 12 team playoff. Therefore putting in a lets say (12-1) Liberty is pointless and should instead be a (9-3) Tennessee who plays a schedule that is MUCH harder than Liberty's. In essence he's saying why are G5 teams okay with never really have a shot at making it to the title, when they could just make there own playoff where there would be a real thing they could play for. I understand the argument that people and yourself are making trust me I get it. I do agree that there a decent amount of G5 teams that would be better than the bottom part of the big conferences teams i.e. Northwestern, Vandy, Indiana, e.x. But the top teams in the P4 are ALWAYS going to win the title and the G5 will be lucky to even making to the Semi-finals in the playoff.

@Lachronix Месяц назад

I think the g5 having their own play off would work, I do think that Sonny dykes is right as well. all that really need to happen is marketing it and finding spots for what you talked about is correct on the surface of Stanford being on the same level football wise as App st. But I think the issue is brand recognition. Stanford and Vanderbilt (if they really wanted to) could be on the same level as uf and Alabama at any point. if they put in effort into their programs, and committed to football they would change overnight. you can't say the same for South Alabama and whomever else. There is also the fact of being grandfathered in. Stanford and cal were once good, can become good, but just aren't good now. And because of that, these old institutions, with richer alumni, they get the befit of the doubt. Also id consider that the arms race of college football is stadiums, and since these smaller schools don't really upgrade their stadiums as frequent enough, and stadium size is a factor when it comes to being in these big conferences, it is really a battle of money, influence, and commitment from universities.

@justinr658 29 дней назад

I do think that the G5 team will get the 4th bye in the playoff this season. I do think the Big 12 are going to beat each other up only for the underdog to win causing the Big 12 champ to be the 5th seed.

@dg1019 20 дней назад

There was a time when the SEC wanted to earn their way to the top. Now they want to buy their way. The auto qualifiers make the NCAA BB tournament what it is.

@gordono672 11 дней назад

With those extreme examples yes, they are on vastly different levels of play, but to say they aren't playing the same sport is going too far. Talking like that isn't necessary and the players on the weaker teams deserve to not have their play described as a different sport than Alabama.

@stephensipe5405 Месяц назад

I think the SEC and B1G will get big enough to require exclusively internal play. The ACC and B12 could do the same as 1 Conference with 2 parts. The G5 could have a Playoff to be the 4TH Team in a CFP. If the G5 is totally excluded, their Playoff would still draw attention IF Bowls were used as the venues.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Glad to see your posts on here Stephen!! And can’t wait for the 2024 forecast I’m ready for some football!!

@stephensipe5405 Месяц назад

@@CollegeUnderdogs Well, I have not yet forecast Temple or the AAC. I will post it before July 31ST. I will send you a hard copy. I was killed by ECU and Temple last Season. But an 80%+ OOC Season kept may AAC Game by Game forecast over 60%.

@GR-bn3xj Месяц назад

What is astounding to me Is the greed and arrogance Josh Pate and others show when dealing with this. He wants to shut out half of college football, and for what? One playoff spot. Even if I don't disagree with him that the group of five champion really doesn't have a chance. In any year, when has he fought for the 12th place team as having a chance? When has there been debate that a team outside the top ten should have been in the national championship or could even compete against the top three or four teams? All of this is for 1 spot at the bottom of the playoffs. To gain that one spot, he must shut out half of the college football fans and institutions. College football got to where it's at by, including these teams. If these fans quit watching, he assumes they will start becoming fans of Alabama. Or whoever. This isn't the nba where fans switch teams every year. What the fans will do is quit watching, and that's not good for anybody, including alabama and josh pate. It won't happen overnight, but it will eventually happen. Josh pate feels like college Football has gotten to a point where it doesn't need the fans of these schools, so who cares about them, and Tries to justify it by saying It's better for the group of five as well. That argument reminds me of politicians trying to tell servers not to work for tips and to work for an hourly wage. Almost no server actually wants this, but politicians keep telling them it's better for them. No group of 5 team wants this. It just blows my mind that he's willing to do all of this just to game one playoff spot, A spot most likely with the same result than if a G5 team was in there.

@Icycamm 29 дней назад

I graduated from Old Dominion and i agree i played HS football for a good program i seen ND OSU and Bama guys look like and they aint in the G5. Let the G5 have their own playoff where they can control their own destiny ppl WILL watch that more than whatever blowout loss they incurr in the playoffs

@Icycamm 29 дней назад

I actually think the best argument not to do G5 playoff is that it would make the G5 in season game viewership to plummet. I personally would watch G5 playoffs good luck getting me off the power 2 in season

@TheDealinDave Месяц назад

The power 5 will just take their ball and go play their own game eventually anyways. TAMU paid New mexico 1.6 million and then got beat by them. As more realignment happens schedules will just be full of conference games and then there will be a long playoff. No need to waste money on a G5 game that could potentially be a really bad loss in front of nobody when you can have a bad game and just lose to oklahoma and have a full stadium.

@buff21cc Месяц назад

Josh Pate 😂 talk about someone who can't see what the Kool Aid has done to him. He's becoming their salesman now that he's living in their mainstream media world.

@stephensipe5405 Месяц назад

The actual Pate clip brings up a different issue than you are addressing. College football plays its Games a$$ backwards. 1: All Conference games should be played 1ST. This will give you an internal Conference ranking. 2: Then play the Conference Championship Games, with all other Teams getting a BYE. 3: As soon as the Conference Regular Season ends, the CFP Selection Committee will have 5 days to publish a schedule for all OOC games. Those Teams locked into a post season get scheduled 1ST. Then those Teams which could theoretically make the post season get scheduled. Finally, Teams unable to make the post season get scheduled. The Conference Championship Teams get a BYE after their Championship game and then 3 OOC Games. All other Teams get 4 OOC games. The CFP Selection Committee will have a mandate to balance SOS, with proximity only a secondary consideration. Championship Game Teams cannot play each other in OOC games. Championship Game Teams also get 2 Home and 1 Away games. All other Teams get 2 Home and 2 Away games. 4: All OOC games are played without the CFP Selection Committee ranking Teams. When all OOC games are completed, then the CFP Final selections are made along with all Bowl games. This is the College Football scheme which addresses all of Pate’s comments. It allows for SOS balancing, which some G5 might consider a gauntlet. However, it gives gelling G5 Teams that 1 year shot at glory. It is incredibly fair to all. Finally, it does have a Conference top to bottom impact on finally Team scores for the CFP Selection Committee.

@MattBuild4 Месяц назад

Historically this would never happen because it would require home and home series matchups with darling university to play in sometimes brutal climate conditions. Theres a pretty big difference between Georgia vs Wisconsin in Green Bay in September and December. Also for as much teams want to complain about G5 SOS scheduling, historically when G5 teams have scheduled tough G5 teams it didnt mean anything, meanwhile P5 teams can play nobody and it doesnt matter. 2019 Clemson played ZERO ranked teams the entire season got ranked #3 before the playoffs. 08 MWC Utah played ranked OOC games at Michigan, at Oregon State PLUS Top 15 BYU and Top 10 TCU in conference - went undefeated and didnt even make the Top 5. Yeah thats a double standard.... Its funny really cuz the P5 brands want to complain about SOS yet to this day Ive yet to ever see a single team ever play a schedule as tough as 2010 SJSU. Yes the little WAC sharks - imo that team makes 2019 LSU look like a picnic. This was their schedule: at Alabama at Wisconsin vs FCS SU at Utah vs UC Davis at Nevada vs Boise State vs Frenso State at Utah State vs NMSU at Hawaii vs TCU at Idaho Easy right? I must be smoking dope right? Heck according to ESPN this schedule ranked #108 of 122 teams in 2010. Well heres the reality of this schedule: at #10 Alabama (10-3) at #4 Wisconsin (12-2) B10 Champ vs SU (5-6) at #8 Utah (11-2) vs UC Davis (7-6) at #11 Nevada (12-1) vs #7 Boise State (12-1) WAC Champion vs Fresno State (8-5) at Utah State (4-8) vs NMSU (2-10) at #18 Hawaii (10-3) vs #3 TCU (13-0) MWC Champion at Idaho (6-7) This team played 7 Top 25 teams in a 12 game schedule. They played 5 Top 25 ROAD games in 12 game schedule. They played 50% of the final ranked Top 10 teams and 3 of them were on the road. NOBODY has done this in the last 15 years..... And this isnt even the most insane part of this schedule.... Cuz P5 teams will claim they play all kinds of ranked teams. Stats make this schedule even more insane: 10 SJSU played the #2, #4, #5, #7, and #9 best offenses in the country. They played 4 future starting ALL Pro NFL QBs who would win NFL playoffs games (NOBODY in the SEC has had that in the last decade). 10 SJSU also played the #1, #2, and #3 best defenses in the country. 10 SJSU played 2 teams ranked in the Top 4 for both offense and defense and 3 teams ranked in top 5 for both offense and defense. And yet ESPN still believed 100+ teams played a tougher schedule than this team. Yeah this is why SOS is complete utter bs imo......

@stephensipe5405 Месяц назад

@@MattBuild4 You are WRONG!!! If you want CFP consideration as a Conference, then YOUR Conference will “eat the dog” and agree to the CFP Selection Committee assigning your OOC games. Your Conference will not be alone. B1G Illinois might have to play Toledo and Appalachian State Away on 1 year and Tulane and ECU Away the next year. However, their Home games could be Boise State and Tulsa, followed by North Texas and Marshall. It all depends on their B1G record, whether they make the B1G Championship Game, and whether they have a post season chance. For example, I gave you Illinois OOC games based on a lock or possible 6-6 or better record. However, a 3 win or less B1G Illinois might get Baylor and Charlotte Away, Wake Forest and Miami (OH) Home. Whatever balances SOS best with multiple choices going to the nearest locations for all. Remember, best records get assigned OOC games 1ST. This means Conference Championship Game Teams get assigned 1ST; the Teams with 6+ Conference wins by descending order from most wins to least wins; the comes Teams with at least a theoretical chance to make 6 wins; and finally Teams with no chance at 6 wins. However, Conference Power does impact SOS and CFP Selection. Therefore, if bottom Teams in the SEC drop games to OOC opponents, it impacts the standing of the Championship Game Teams as well as any Teams vying for a post season qualifying 6 wins.

@MattBuild4 29 дней назад

@@stephensipe5405 Heres the biggest problem - tell me what SOS actually measures..... What exactly is this calculation? How do you balance a statistic that holds no real statistical value and historically lacks consistency in evaluation?

@stephensipe5405 29 дней назад

@@MattBuild4 I will agree the SOS calculation has to be an all Conferences accepted criteria. I would start with Offense points scored and Defense points allowed. Some western Teams play with basketball scores. If a Team is 12-0 and averages 40 points Offense and 35 points Defense, this represents an unbalanced Team. I would also look at blow out games as a separate criteria to weight SOS. These all have to be negotiated. You are on an Underdog College Football site. History starts and ends with each season. I don’t give a rats a$$ what a Team did last season. UCF was 1-11 and went 11-1 the following season. College Football is like Medieval Warfare where Kings actually fought and sometimes got slaughtered. If Alabama without HC Saban gets upset this year by USF, why should last season matter? In my College Football scheme, if Alabama goes 9-3, and the SEC is ranked as a tougher SOS, their OOC opponents would be balanced out by SOS. For example, Alabama might play Georgia State, Texas Tech, Western Kentucky, along with USF. Likewise, USF at 9-3 with a weaker Conference SOS. might play Alabama, Wisconsin, Ohio U, and Virginia Tech. This will address the P2 and P4 concerns raised in video.

@MattBuild4 29 дней назад

@@stephensipe5405 So go back to my SJSU example, under your criteria what is their SOS? 2010 SJSU went 1-11; averaged 13.4ppg and allowed 37.5ppg. They had 7 games determined by 3 or more scores (6 against ranked teams). Even if you take out their OOC - then SJSU is 0-7; averaged 19.2ppg; allowed 32.2ppg; w/ 4 blowouts (3 against ranked teams).

@huskertrucker8006 Месяц назад

Let’s add div2 in there as well why don’t we? Imagine crying because you want a worse product on the field. No advertiser is going to be happy paying for 4th quarter spots when Penn State is giving North Texas a 66-0 thrashing.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

What about when Tulane is throwing a game winning TD against USC or when Memphis is kicking a game winning FG against Nebraska?

@FresnoState101 Месяц назад

FRESNO STATE IS AT THE TOP OF THE GROUP 5!

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

The difference between WSU(when they were in the PAC) competing with Alabama and Tulane competing with Alabama is that if Wazzu had a really good season, they could win 10 games and build momentum and actually beat the best teams not named Georgia or Bama. Meanwhile, look at Boise state. They had their run..but it was impossible to maintain long term because they just can’t recruit and add talent the way a successful power conference team would.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

Petersen leaving Boise was the beginning of their decline, but the MWC has gotten much stronger as well I would keep an eye on them this year, they keep their potential Heisman candidate RB and if Malachi Nelson puts it together, it could be special season

@MattBuild4 Месяц назад

"They had their run..but it was impossible to maintain long term because they just can’t recruit and add talent the way a successful power conference team would." What are we talking about as long term? For 10 SEASONS they 115-7......... Thats 2nd best of any decade of all time only beaten by 1890s Yale. BSU has never been high on recruiting. Theyve never had a 5 star QB until this year - yet theyve had 4+ QBs with 10,000 yard seasons. What screwed them was really not recruiting but the fac tthat no matter what they did they simply could not even get a chance to play for a title. FFS they had 5 UNDEFEATED seasons in 8 years and made a whopping 1 major bowl game vs a P5 team. Thats some absolute bs...... They got snubbed from at least 6 major bowls by P5 programs that they outranked, some of them they literally beat in OOC during the year. Boise State has fallen off, but not by typical standards. They have fallen off by their standards which are standards typically only associated with competitive teams. They are the ONLY team in the entire league to never post a losing record in the 21st century. 28 consecutive seasons of winning records. 50% of the P5 dont come even remotely close to that level of consistent competitiveness.

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

@@MattBuild4 if you want to be a team from the G5 *nowadays* who is going to be a competitive playoff team with the way the structure is going, you would have had to have been able to keep Boise state’s run going, because once it’s fully gone like it is now, and with the disparities that exist now, it will be impossible to get it back. And yes, I’m aware Boise was never a great recruiting team, but that makes it even harder to compete in this age. Also, if you put the bottom 50% of the P5 in the mountain west(assuming they didn’t lose their resources), while many of them couldn’t have gotten the highs Boise state had, they absolutely could have produced a similar level of consistency. But that’s another story. If you think these standards sound ridiculous, that is because they are! If you think it’s unfair sporting wise that Boise isn’t a power conference team, you’d be right, but conference membership isn’t solely or even primarily determined by sporting merit! The sport has reached a point where it is financially impossible as a G5 to compete unless you are ridiculous. This isn’t the same world of Tulane USC even.

@rangersking6699 Месяц назад

Most college football fans who watch G5 football, don’t watch it to see who is competing in the playoff(unless broadcasters put it in a big time slot because of teams competing for playoff or NY6 like SMU/Memphis 2019), they watch it for the weird time slots or because they went to the school or because it’s the only game on, or they just don’t have an interest in the other games on. G5 schools, generally, are much bigger institutionally than FCS schools and thus would have an easier time generating interest than FCS schools where the highest profile teams are in far flung states or rural backwaters with no major cities in their league. People don’t watch FCS football because the FCS never had exposure in the first place, they lost out on that before the cable boom of the 2000’s. Meanwhile, the G5 has retained that popularity from the 2000’s enough to still get exposure on their own now.

@CollegeUnderdogs Месяц назад

I love everything you’re bringing to this conversation and it’s actually making me feel better about separation (which I still believe is inevitable) Still not my first choice but I can behind what you’re saying

@buff21cc Месяц назад

The majority of college football fans won't watch that G5 playoff bracket.