Yes, indeed there comes a time when we all must "ditch" our interesting and much loved LandRovers that have so much character and require lots of your time and attention. We get older, wiser and more easily tired, and place greater value on the remaining time we have left, time too precious to spend dealing with stupid little issues. So, in my case I became boring and bought a Toyota, but I'm old and if I had my time over and was young again I'd still buy another LandRover.
@@RD-qp3mu so you didn’t buy a Toyota Camry turbo diesel that the engine dropped out of with less than 30miles on the clock and tried to kill you on the A1 ? The engine on the replacement car supplied by Toyota was much better, it fell out on the drive after 2 days ! Please stop spouting rubbish, most recalls by manufacturers are Toyota Please stop being delusional about their reliability, they break down just as much as any other car. My second worst car was a Mercedes followed by an Audi, ended up in court with both of them. I guess that makes Toyota much better, after two cars they gave up and gave me my money back. So for the last thirty years I have only bought Land Rover products and I have not had a problem with any of them. So I guess that means that you can only speak as you find.
I have a Toyota Land Cruiser with 495k kilometres with never days issue but at the end of the day it is not a Land Rover , I would love to own one before I step of this mortal coil , the brand is very cost prohibitive in my country . I love the content and subject matter. It helps that your skill and experience make this look easy . You have won my admiration and support 😊
I am a typical miserable, bored Toyota Land Cruiser owner. The highlight of my weekend is Christian and Vera's video. On occasion I go to my workshop to clean and organise my tools. I open all the drawers but everything is clean and shiny since the last time I cleaned them 5 years ago. I spray a light covering of WD40 and with sadness, close the drawers again. I go back indoors and wonder if I should read the Haynes Workshop Manual? I get it off the shelf, the shrink plastic covering is getting a bit yellow now, on Ebay the value is higher if they are still wrapped. With sadness I place it back on the shelf. Oh well, there will be another video in a weeks time, or I could watch old grumpy in his Troopy making coffee in the middle of no where.
The reason why LR’s are regarded as unreliable is this: They are undoubtedly brilliant and very satisfying vehicles to drive except for one thing, being that as we are drive them, we constantly wonder what is going to go wrong next! However, there is no other vehicle that it becomes so addictive to want to have. Driving one that is 10 years or more old, is either seen by most as a cool status symbol or somebody that has to spend every Sunday morning watching LR Time to keep it going! I’m very happy to so.
@@Vera_and_Christian I’d strongly recommend that you never try a Sangyoug Musso 4X4. They do more Bongs when you get in and out of them that you have had hot dinners!
@@Vera_and_ChristianI I am in the US. I watch your channel. I always loved the look of the Land Rover discovery and I know they are very capable off road. I can do basic maintenance but I have heard and seen horror stories where the dealer could not fix or figure out what’s wrong with the car. I drive a 2021 TRD PRO TOYOTA 4RUNNER. It’s my daily driver and I have driven 107000 miles in 3 years. I have only changed 3 FOX Shocks under warranty. Figures the only American parts in the car. 😂. Anyway after watching you working on the car if I had your mechanical skills and knowledge along with lift and tools I would also drive a Land Rover or any car because you can fix it yourself. Most people would be bankrupt if they took Land Rover to dealer for all repairs. I understand now that the car Achilles heal is the complexity of the repairs on it. Also seems like parts fail at a faster rate. Love them but would not buy one. Thanks for explaining that it’s the repair difficulty and lack of tools that makes them so hard to repair. Makes sense.
I save money watch your videos. I can watch you fix Land Rovers knowing that after thirty years of being an owner, my stable is empty of the brand and I no longer have to pay for tow trucks and parts. My hands are cleaner. I have more time and money. I don’t have brake down anxiety and my driveway is oil free!
@@jester5ify so you’ve never experience breaking an axle in a S11a, shearing an output shaft in a Defender transmission, replacing seized throttle in a Freelander, splitting an intercooler in a TDi, delaminated turbo hoses, in a TD5, leaking diesel fuel pumps in a TD5, turbo failure in a new Defender, water pump bearing failure in a TD5, oil in injector wiring loom in a TD5, clutch hydraulics failure in Puma (Ford) bell housing, auto selector failure in a Discovery, the three amigos in a Discover ABS module etc etc. As you get older you start wondering if lying on you back under a Land Rover every weekend fixing it is the best use of your time. It’s more interesting watching others do it these days.
Love the banter and the rants. As an ex owner of a couple of Disco 1's and now a Tesla Model S owner, there isn't a dogs chance in hell that I would ever own or need to work on any land Rover product but your video's are so entertaining they're unmissable .
These videos are just fantastic. I never thought I'd ever encountered a German with a brilliant sense of humour - let alone two. Just terrific guys. Subscribed
I work in a nuclear power station and I can categorically tell Vera that that minute leak under high temperature is the culprit ! In the power station a smaller leak would be catastrophic, And if a bolt was find in the wrong place we would shut down immediately until we found where it came from….. lol
Sir i am from india, punjab . I really like your videos even i am not a car mechanic but a car driver There a lot of knowledge in your videos. I hope one day if i had money first i will buy good tools and a good workshop and of course a discovery land rover like you.
I am officially a Jaguar Land Rover mechanic. EGR cooler leakage inside. We know that from time to time the cars come to us with the error, even the current models also have the same errors.
I never really thought about it before but you’re absolutely right. Most of the issues wouldn’t be a big deal if the parts were easy to access and easy to change. The problem with LR is that some parts are soooooo difficult to access and soooooo difficult to replace, even the dealer factory trained mechanics can’t do it properly!
Both of you are the best way to start a Sunday morning. I'm on the east coast of the United States and normally around 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning your video pops up. Right after watching it I'm ready for bed. I am all ready for next Sunday to come. Thank you for sharing your adventures with everyone. I know it slows you down recording everything. I can say for myself I do appreciate it and I really enjoy them.
I love Christian & Vera, I once owned many landys and loved them with all there quirks. Christian is obviously very skilled engineer and incredibly knowledgeable about land rover's. Plus fabulous sence of humor, and having lived in Germany thats a rare thing to say about a German.
It’s 0400 hours in Washington and I’m spitting coffee on myself trying not to laugh Christian and Vera! As far as Toyota’s are concerned, they are only as reliable if you take care of them. I have a 1988 Fj62 that I’ve been driving as my daily driver and I think I have replaced just about everything on her, including a new engine! I just can’t give her up though. Love your channel guys.
7:12 you're exactly right - the EGR cooler is a common failure point in the 2009-2015 Toyota Prius. Widely regarded as one of the most reliable vehicles made this century. Leaks coolant into the intake causing misfires on startup.
I think you are now few notches above Dave's lecturing skills. Thank you for this video and effort to explain more things every "Disco" driver should know. ❤
You two are bloody hilarious. Love your videos, knowledge & endless humour. I have never owned a landrover but watch your videos every Sunday and enjoy everything you do and share. Made me nearly fall off my chair when Christian said " I'm more German than you"
Thank you Vera and Christian, you have restored Faith in the LAND Rover discovery 4, very True. Brilliant as usual, great to see you back in full Action Christian 😊.
As a previous JLR owner, and a witness to many friends owning similar models, I can tell you the engineering on these cars is amazing until you leave the dealer... The engineering is so good every time you drive these cars, it wants to go back to dealer's garage! It also makes people very religious! I havent seen a person go into one of these without doing 10 different prayers! and 20 more they leave the car!
Check the water pump oring, mine leaked bloody slow for ages enough so you could smell it but not see it. 3 years later i decided to fix it, one thing i can suggest is if you are digging in through pulleys and hoses, i just replace everything that has 10 years on it as i did in. Nothing worse than doing a job twice.
This engine has been completely rebuild last year, all new o-rings and the waterpump is also not old. And of course we checked for additional leaks before we singled out the EGR coolant as the source. 👍🙋♀️
I’m a Toyota driver with 2 Hilux a and have a disco 4. My 4x4 Hilux has been towed 3 times in the last 2 years once on a trip which cost a fortune with hire cars and towing. The disco 4 has done countless long trips towing a huge heavy enclosed race car trailer and has never had an issue, sure it’s expensive to fix but a great car for touring and towing
Christian and Vera I doubt there is anything you couldn’t fix ! Your skills are next level I’m confident watching you you could fix a jumbo jet my god you sir are a genius. Watching your oil comparison where you made your own test bed you can’t be human. I love watching your videos so much. Please don’t stop doing this. It’s addictive 🤣🤣🤣❤️❤️
Excelent. Technicaly and humoristicly speaking . Imagine taking such a car on a around the world tour. A lot of non sleeping nights at least, a few heart attacks and an endless bill from health services.
@@luisdiassilva I don’t agree with this at all Toyota drivers and other Landrover haters all say the same Drive a Landrover to get you there but drive a Toyota to get you back ! So my answer is drive a Landrover in a big circle , so you arrive back where you started without driving back , simples 😄😄
@@davidfuters7152 well, thats a lot of prejudiice. I have driven LR since I was a kid, in Mozambique., severall models diferent Years. And I havent done The same with toyotas. Driving in Africa ir making a tour around The World is all about reliability. You do not have mecânics ir parts around The corner. Só why having a different opinian makes me a LR hater?
Brilliant,what a reminder from the past great Haynes manual.When we started driving years ago and could not afford a garage mechanic.❤ the videos keeps us all entertained. S
Great video. FWIW "pissed" in Australia is "drunk". You go out for a big night, you're out on the piss. If you're annoyed you're "pissed off". Cheers, Peter.
Christian, Vera, you are dedicated, hard working, passionate, which I commend. I on the other hand I am a retired 78 year old. I am happy to change the spark plugs and engine oil on my two 20 year Corolla’s - a simple design with a relatively spacious engine compartment. LR is preoccupied with opulence and style, shoehorning a vast amount of unwanted complication into a tiny space. add 40 cm all round to the engine compartment and user costs would come down as garage service access improved. No point having an air conditioned leather throne if it is frequently sat awaiting garage maintenance. That’s boring.
I really wanted a disco 4, but I don't have the tools or a lift, or the inclination to worry about it going wrong & the ensuing bills.. aside from that your Chanel is absolutely brilliant... What's more you are doing it in a 2nd language... Bravo both of you.
😂😂😂 cuts out 45 mins of swearing...! Christian you guys do make some wonderful comedy at the same time, half a disassembled LR 3 oh my god.. thank you for cheering us all up. Adrian😂🇬🇧
Absolutely loved my Land Rover, however I knew I had to part ways. It just never stayed fixed for any length of time. It hurt to let it go. Now I have a Honda CRV, the all wheel drive system is not sophisticated, but it works. I can now enjoy trips rather than worrying about breaking down, much happier now.
I do not think you two are old enough to remember the first space launch or the landing on the moon I do and when a head gasket goes we call in mayonnaise in the cap and i will never put you into a spot i enjoy your posts so much and here in the UK you can not get parts off Land Rover if your car is over 20 years old but there is always Ebay and Tristian you are right about expansion every time ,thank you for the video
I don’t own a Landrover anymore but I love watching these videos. Very entertaining and so much knowledge, if only you worked on Jeep Wranglers as well 😁🙌🏻
Told my land rover mechanic about the "queens" front suspension issues.he was aware and had done two up to press. One where customer heavily kerbed it. The orher down to age .like yours. Unlike germany he thinks there is no chance of jlr uk doing a recall. Once again great content and a informative video
Great video people!! Many years ago (in a past life of engineering)I was attending a service managers meeting for an agricultural product that we held the franchise for .Even today 30+years later I remember what we were told (rather tongue in cheek )"We don't have problems but only service opportunities "!!!!! Very applicable to a Disco 😅😅😅 Great work !!!!!!
Dear Christian and Vera! I've been a new admirer of your wonderful channel for about a month now. I wanted to share that your passion for Land Rovers has truly inspired me. Watching your adventures has sparked a desire in me to own one someday. Thank you for sharing your journey.👍
I love your videos. Had D3 and D4. Both were money pits, but I loved them. Saved a fortune doing stuff myself. Sold them both but still have my td5 D2 and rebuilt her from the wheels up. She is called Vera and never let me down. Must admit that the D3 /D4 was the best off road and nice to drive between issues.
For the record ... I've had RR Classic & P38, Disco 1 & 2 and a Freelander TD4 .. all have been good in UK ,and the only vehicle that let me down was a Toyota LandCrusier - in Birdsville Australia in 1988. 3 months in the outback, working sheep & cattle properties, living in the LandCruiser crossing Sturts Stoney Desert, camped by the Dig Tree and then headed North up "the track" before swinging East towards Cairns and back down the coast. At the Birdsville Hotel, the gear change stuck in reverse in the parking lot !!!! 😬
I hadn't realised how much viewing time you actually saved us in editing by deleting the swearing.... but only 12 minutes in, I can feel the frustration in your voice! I have tears of laughter coming from my eyes 😂.
Another great video - thank you. Reasons NOT to use a dealer for servicing: I had to get my D4 serviced by Land Rover recently as it was under a Land Rover Warrenty when I bought it a year ago - checked the oil yesterday and it said "overfill", so now I have to go and get some sucked out. In future I will go to my local independednt Land Rover specialist - he changed the front brakes for me - excellent job and ONE THIRD of the price that the dealer had quoted. Dealers - try and add on things you don't need yet and charge too much! I did change the headlights the other day though to the latest Osram Night Breaker HIDs as I will be doing a trans-continental trip in a few weeks time from the UK to Slovakia passing through Christian and Vera's territory about half way.
@@Vera_and_Christian thanks - spoke to the dealer this morning, it's booked in on Friday to rectify and they did say they will check for oil dilution as this can be a problem with over-filling and that they will replace the oil if this has happened. Smiths in Bicester will be doing servicing in the future (not the dealer) as their reputation is second to none - and - they have access to the JLR database so all servicing can be properly logged and official. Although I love your videos, I would never be able to do the servicing that you do. BUT I have learned so much from you and can do small things that I would never have attempted before and I'm looking forward to meeting you both at the Gaydon Land Rover show next year.
@@cjhickspe1399 I am equi-distant from 3 JLR dealers - about 25 miles from each one - Smiths is about 1.5 miles from me at a walkable distance if I drop it off for a day. The local guy is so much better and so very much cheaper as well.
@@johnwillett4086 you are a long time viewer. Do not go more than 8000-10000 km on your LR4 . We have made more than enough videos on that topic. Change the oil 🙏 and don‘t have it sucked out. Also check and keep all oilfilters. You hopefully want to keep your Disco past LR waranty. 👍🙋♀️
Thanks Kristian and Vera, as useal top notch!! Please set up and autoanswer on your e-mail for these type off questions: BUY A TOYOTA and just repeat that for the entire mail!!
Hi Christian & Vera, before I sit back & watch the video I thought I'd let you know what I have done today, Today I had to change the oil & filter on my 1.4Tdci Fiesta (Peugeot engine), it has 172,000 miles (277,000 km roughly) on it & for the first time in my long career working on vehicles I checked the oil filter for chips (there were non), so 'us' hands on people do listen to your advise no matter what type of vehicle it is, I will now watch the video
Christian, ever thought about becoming a Keyhole Surgeon. With a highly competent assist, who can make sure that you don't leave anything inside the patient? Love the videos and the humor. Stay safe on the trip.
288,006 Kms? i now feel a lot better when I see 220,019 miles on my 2001 p38 Range Rover (which now runs and drives). That cooler was a long way down in the depths of Narnia Christian. You have the patience of a saint (when the 2 hours of swearing are cut out 😂😂
My 2014 Disco 4 has so far been very reliable. For sure maintenance is expensive but when looked after well I have no complaints about reliabilty. It is a fantastic long distance touring vehicle. My usual trips are 5,000km plus each time. Never taken on any short trips to the local shops.
Gynecologists, porno videos, space shuttle, laser welding... Love it! As a four star mechanic (out of ten), I'll remain silent on your leak hypothesis.
Thanks for another great video. Would just like to add that I had a mysterious coolant leak on my 2.7 D4. It was a drip from the water pump shaft which evaporated before hitting the ground. Thanks again.
Great rant and rave from Christian today, and great balanced commentary from a bona-fida “ Grumpy old man” , who has the nicest young lady for a partner. Lucky bloke on both counts!
Hi both of you,I look forward to your video every Sunday . You put a smile on my face and also gain valuable insight about the ownership of a Land Rover. We are seriously thinking about getting a LR/RR on the future. Stay safe loads of respect.
Hi guys Neil here from Trinidad and Tobago I really like and look forward to your post I truly injoy every video I have seen so far keep up the great work A little bit of my story I'm a mechanic I have a discovery 1 with a TOYOTA engine that I have no time to get up and running BUT I still dream of a time when I can injoy it So back to you guys who's given me so much inspiration keep on whit the great job you're doing
Hi, I really enjoy your channel and the humour between you and Vera especially when you are struggling with a hard-to-reach bolt. There was a handy tool that I used every day when working in Engineering. It got me out of many a difficult-to-remove bolt and is so simple to make, that you only need a short tube length. I used a 20mm hydraulic or high-tensile tube cut into three pieces, one 500mm and two 60mm long. Cut the long tube with a 90-degree at one end and a 45-degree at the opposite end. Then weld the shorter tubes to either end and you have something that resembles part of a bike frame. Now you have an extension lever that can be used on any Allen, Torx key or a cut-off Ring Spanner. If you like it, then you can make small or larger ones to suit. Work colleagues laughed at it when they first saw it but soon asked to borrow it when a ratchet or breaker bar could not access a difficult bolt or nut. Best Regards, Tony.
Another good one. I notice that Land Rover advertise alongside you. Praise indeed. It would pay LRJ to ask you to produce a auto design engineer's education video compiled from your work, then introduce it into their design training programme. JLR could really benefit from that. Resulting in better designed access and components which commonly fail, thus supporting the reliability points that you make .Well done! Frankly they could do a lot worse than asking you to become their consultant engineer. Vera of course installed as your boss!
Here endeth the first lesson! Some world class ranting to start a Sunday, thank you, my life doesn’t seem so bad now. You guys do more to promote Toyotas than their own advertising, you should be on their payroll. The politicians living in that post apocalyptic bunker sure got a nice view. Very well.
First, having owned an LR4 (Mall Crawler Edition) for several years now, I don't think they are unreliable so much as over-engineered. There is a lot going on in a very small space in these vehicles. Yes, you can drive a less-complicated vehicle but where is the fun in that? Second, I really like that t-shirt.
Well! This is pure gold! This channel made me sell my prodjekt car and by a Disco 4 with 230,000km 🤷♂️ So know a can wrench on my daliy insted! Thx for a great channel and great humour 🍻
The Land Rover is a great brand and they have a bad reputation, as you said, but they are just great to drive..... Again another great video by my favourite team.
l giggle no, laugh, so much listening to Christian’s rants - he’s absolutely right! I know you said that you wouldn’t be buying an L322, but I was outside today already, checking out a known leak site near the oil cooler on my 4.4TDV8 (it’s already had a new oil cooler)… it’s currently dry on my vehicle, but I know it will fail. These vehicles are definitely awesome, but the packaging to get all the emissions control systems on them makes maintenance more challenging than on my 1969 Volvo 133 (that’s the very late 122S with a B20B engine in it). It’s allegedly called progress 😉 To your point, if folks are unable to perform maintenance tasks themselves, they should expect plenty of bills on any older LR, but they are rewarding and versatile to own and drive. Thanks for the weekly entertainment as always 👍
My queen has a slight rear crankshaft oil leak now. Oil cooler is good. So there will be a serious repair in future. I run now 5W40 in the TDV8 as well. What a great engine. A L322 is a great car for sure but we want to get a high end Cat now. Christian
I have 5wDumbass running through my head as I contemplate my impending oil change - it’s the C1 specification that has me head-scratching with 5w40 - I need to pay more attention to the oil type you use as I’m sure you will have ensured C1 (low SAPS), as opposed to C3 (mid SAPS), compliance? And good luck with the crankshaft oil seal repair - that feels like a whole raft of grief, let alone your pain with the aluminium hub carrier woes (which LR will ultimately have to issue a recall action for in Germany).
Trying to chase an oil leak, i had to remove that heat shield.. It was at that moment i realised i had to review my repair times.on this car.. I can see why you guys bought a 2 post lift.. Great video..
love the introduction, Knipex hand tools are great, I have not had success finding a repair manual for a 2002 LR Disco. II w/4.0L V8 engine, 100% agree with full disassembly of high mileage (200K +) LR and using anti seize grease (nickel, copper or silver based) on fastener threads (must keep awareness that dry torque specification is affected), on programs like the space shuttle extra bolts, tools, trash found on vehicle are considered F.O.D. (foreign object debris) ... could be a fun new term for the LR Time channel, I like the space references, I typically do not comment but felt that it would be fun to see where the comment goes ... see you next Sunday ... Oh, yes temperature and pressure will have a direct affect on the leak rate as your sink and bucket experiment showed
It would be interesting if you cut the EGR cooler apart. I suspect these are fatigue cracks from cooling and heating cycles of the valve as stainless is a poor heat conductor, and probably very thin. I have heard of the same kind of thing in jet engines, but I suspect that it may be in the laser welds. As you say it is very pretty construction though. Possibly curable with a tempering cycle in manufacture. Kind regards David. Not a desktop engineer!