Are Marvel Movies DESTROYING Cinema? 

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Marvel had a great run. It was a goose that laid golden eggs. But instead of caring for the goose and giving it a rest, Disney tried to factory farm the poop out of it and killed it.

The most tragic thing is that comedy movies are basically extinct. No movie is made just to make people laugh anymore. What About Bob? The Great Outdoors, NL Vacation, etc. If it's not a direct remake or a brand tie it just doesn't get made and that's awful.

You can make a good film based on a comic book, but we have just been getting trash lately

10 years ago, I would've made fun of him for it, but now I get it. I can totally see where he's coming from.

He's completely right, honestly.

When I was a kid, I wished they would make more superhero movies; now, I want them to stop making them. There are just too many, and the quality has gone way down.

Scorsese is always right. Killers of the Flower Moon will be movie of the year. Glad to see one RU-vidr at least cover this.

Vito you looked like you were gonna fucking cry eating that sugarless cereal

Marvel should have gone on hiatus after Endgame. Instead, with some rare exceptions, they've churned out mediocre to terrible films. The bigger problem though is streaming. People really only want to go to see a blockbuster kind of film on the big screen. I think they're still interested in the other stuff, but they'd rather watch it at home.

The last time there was a phenomenon like superhero movies that I can think of was the glut of Westerns in the mid-century. I love Roy Rogers movies, but have you ever tried to watch a whole DVD's worth in rapid succession? They're not exactly art. John Wayne did 184 films, almost all basically the same. Same with Randolph Scott's 108. But the Western is basically dead today. Cinema will get over Marvel.

When even Sam Raimi couldn't get any originality to his movie you know they are getting stale. It's just a continuous pipeline of the same product with different names. And this comes from somebody who loved the old comics

There’s basically 2 types of movies: interpretive fiction, and escapism. Marvel movies are escapism - not very creative on the whole (or risky), focused on safe bets and eye candy. Interpretative fiction is intended to challenge the viewer - the filmmakers are willing to be more risky, far more likely to be ambiguous. For example, Oppenheimer challenges you - and has something to say about human nature… on the other side of the spectrum is Ant-Man 3 which isn’t trying to do all that much. In fact, it’s really trying to set up for another set of movies, to keep you coming back to the theater to spend more money. There’s a place for BOTH types of movies… when escapism dominates and interpretive fiction is forgotten, we miss out on important opportunities for filmmakers to expand our horizons, to build empathy in people, to teach us… we need balance, and the industry has been out of balance for some years now.

As an older fan of Marvel Comics (collected them during the Jim Shooter era), I was pleased when Marvel started making their own films, but they weren't the kind of films I ever recommended to my peers. The films were mediocre, but I love the characters from the comics. When Disney bought Marvel, I was disappointed. Not so much about the films, but I thought the comic book company (and industy as a whole) would suffer as the comics would take a back seat to the films, when it should be the other way around. After a few films I started to get bored with the genre, but still watched them and hoped for the best. Joss Whedon's Avengers gave me hope that the quality of storytelling was headed in a more satisfying direction, but 2013 was just more mediocrity. The Russos' Winter Soldier was an excellent film. I won't call it great cinema but it was good, and on a higher level than any of the previous films. Then came Guardians of the Galaxy. I know it was popular, but it completely destroyed my suspension of disbelief concerning the MCU. Since then the films have largely only been weak comedy films set in the Mavel sandbox. The Hulk was turned into a joke long before She-Hulk came out, and Thor was utterly destroyed by Love & Thunder. Even Spider-Man is a shallow version of the character I know from the comics. Aside from the two films I praised above, I wouldn't recommend any of the MCU films to anyone who loves cinema. Edit: I should add that I would recommend the Netflix Daredevil and Punisher series, and even Jessica Jones thought it wasn't a character I was familiar with.

He's correct.

What's tragic? The guy has made great movie, and some weirdos are bitching about it on Twitter? Marvel movies are not going to suddenly become good, and his movies are still quality. Marvel movies have been a pox on the art ever since endgame.

How can I miss the MCU if it won’t go away?

At this point Marvel movies are mostly destroying *other* Marvel movies

Marty is just an old man yelling at the clouds now. They really should’ve taken a break for a couple years after endgame. Going right into the next phase has worn everyone out and the product has suffered as a result.

Is he wrong? Look at its influence on shared universes, shoddy VFX, and the godawful reliance on multiverses (ie eliminating stakes in storytelling). Not to mention the tribalism aspect its fostered, where you either have to love this or hate that. Plus skyrocketing budgets and the destruction of the actual movie star. The MCU was also one of the huge drivers for Disney +, the service that made every other studio think they had to get a piece of the pie. Scorsese might be suffering old man yelling at clouds syndrome, but he’s far from wrong Not saying CBMs are necessarily bad, but their influence is a huge negative imo

There need to be more, lower-budget, more-niche movies that don't need to pull huge numbers to be profitable. This way, you can get less filmmaking my committee and "suit" intervention. As far as Mr. Scorcese, he's speaking from a position of bias. He is not the kind of filmmaker to make Marvel movies. Some would question if he were even capable. But he's good at the genre he does make - a definitive master, even. So he's promoting his work while downplaying the work of others. It's not unseen human behavior. A lot of the writing in the Disney/Marvel movies has gotten very bad, though. Something(s) will arise to take their place unless they course-correct. Also, Hi Vuti.

Marvel/Disney has sucked us dry one by one as an audience with their elaborate never ending Universe and every time I see a movie trailer now I just feel like this could be another one I can skip and once you start going down that road there is no looking back. Sometimes having too many choices can be overwhelming and every Marvel or comic movie is marketed as though it's a must watch. People on a budget loose faith having put their money down the drain on movies that are dumb and meaningless in the scheme of things and there's only so long people can take it for. People had to literally push important things aside in their lives in order to make sure they did not miss out on any of the Marvel movies when they came out so that they'd not be the clueless ones or worse have to hear about the spoilers from others. The Avengers Infinity War when it came out was a worldwide event and I was one of the unlucky ones to have it subjected to me during a buzy schedule where I couldn't've watched it but also couldn't escape social media which was rife with commentary around it

What Scorcese said about them being theme parks was spot on, they really are - but theme parks can be/are fun the biggest movies this year - so far - were Barbie and Oppenheimer, both great films that earned a tonne of money. Killers of the Flower Moon looks awesome, and im really looking forward to seeing it No one is forcing anyone to watch a comic book movie, you might as well get angry about rom-coms or horror films that you have no intention of seeing Cinema is doing just fine ......and Goodfellas (my all time MS favourite), Casino, The Aviator, Wolf of Wall Street and The Irishman all take place in the Scorcese-verse

I think he's right, films have been replaced by movies.

"grain free" cereal? What the hell is made out of then?

Can we just have 2 years with zero superhero movies?

If Marvels is ruining cinema Star Wars is just as much of a culprit. I had fun with these movies while they were out but I got intense superhero fatigue with Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier and now these F*CKING MOVIES NEED TO TAKE A HIKE. And I'm blaming the ticket buyers! Stop buying tickets! Luckily I think they're not but it's 10 years later in my opinion. I did catch Black Panther on Netflix because it was free and I was curious- probably the worst movie in the MCU that I've seen. The worst. Then later I did see End Game but that was to please the adopted daughter of my dad. It was something where I did a little thing which was sit through this movie and it meant the world to her and I was glad for that. It was okay. The first Avengers was a lot better. The first Avengers and Iron Man are probably the peaks of the Infinity Gauntlet series. I thought the big opening salvo against superhero movies was actually fired by Terry Gilliam- a great filmmaker in his own right. Check out Brazil if you haven't. Just be aware it's a DARK comedy. Scorcese- I have not come even close to seeing all of his movies but Taxi Driver is Top 2 for me- 1 or 2, I can't decide. Raging Bull is almost as classic. And then The Departed is overrated- maybe skip that one but a much better alternative is actually The Wolf of Wall Street. Dive into that. Barbie- 7/10: Good jokes for the most part and some fun. Some of it really didn't work. But more of it worked than didn't. Pretty solid.

He's kinda right. I mean what was this generations "Godfather" or "Taxi driver"? Superhero movies were good but it's been over a decade come on.

A problem with superhero movies is the genre seems locked into a rather small cast of characters, which originated in comic books, some of which are goofy. Imagine if every movie in the scifi genre had to pull from the same rather small cast of characters. It would get boring. The superhero movie genre will need to figure out a way to break out of the current characters. Else it's the same recycled chars over and over.

This is corporate future. People will connect with you to sell whatever.

He was and is 100% right.

00:07:47 uh... is that guy quoting a Scorsese film?! I'm almost positive Pesci and DeNiro have a conversation with basically all those expletives, and the MCU words swapped for something/someone else.

Awful writers, producers, and directors are ruining cinema.

Man Carrying Thing also made a video about this... This meme is old... He said this like 5 years ago. What kind of The Mandela Effect am I living in?!

Destroying cinema? No, they already did that

For me, the MCU stopped at Infinity War. My own personal headcanon is that the heroes had succeeded at saving the world so many times that they were eventually bound to fail. I think it would've been absolutely hilarious to end it right then and there.

What amuses me is that mafia stories were considered trash content before Scorsese & Coppola elevated them. But there's been plenty of bad gangster movies, too. Superhero stories are as old as Beowulf and Gilgamesh. What's destroying cinema now is laziness, ideological capture, and overall bad writing.

Comic book films aren't ruining cinema, because they have a place in cinema. It's the studios and production companies mismanaging budgets that has pushed a lot of quality genres and films out. It shouldn't be "us vs them." It should be "us and them," if these people can get their houses in order.

He's right but he still sounds like a old man screaming to the clouds

Disney is putting out quantity and quality dropped . If they put out 1 good movie and 2-3 shows a year and put love into them I think we would be satisfied

I prefer Scorsese's Mafia cinematic universe

Why not just let us have choices. If we feel like watching supermovies to just switch off from the world after a rough day, we’ll go to one… if we feel like being immersed into a cinematic movie experience, let us be… we don’t have to watch em if you don’t want to. I’ve stopped following marvel post endgame but I’m following the spiderverse animation trilogy because i find it’s a work of art. The choice is ours.

I will be watching killers of the flower moon multiple time in theaters.

-- Didn't he already say this?

You know as much as people say that they want something different from the Marvel movies, as soon as Marvels do something different, try to be more auteur friendly, and Godforbid add more diversity than suddenly Marvel movies (and it's shows) suck now. I don't know this Marvel hate just seems a little suspicious to me.

Yeah I been burned out on Marvel since Strange 2. I don't give AF.

With the exception of The Dark Knight, Joker, and The Batman superhero movies are all fkn garbage. ALL of them.

Funny how the genre that's supposedly destroying Cinema is the genre that's single-handedly kept Cinema alive since the pandemic. If it wasn't for Marvel and to a lesser extent DC Cinema would be dead right now because all movie theaters would be dead. Due to the fact that all these people like Martin Scorsese have so much to say about Marvel movies yet they can't make movies people want to go see to generate money and keep theaters alive.

Then make better movies people want to watch. If these movies are total garbage and you can't make something better that people want to watch.....that is sort of on you.

I don't think it will be Hollywood to Is who solved this problem I don't know if you saw sound of freedom But the makers that movie marketers are moving directly to their audience That will be the future of movies Essentially crowd founded that's the future small independent studios and directors that know what they're doing And whom market directly to the audience I feel that's where the industry is going

I think that scene from guardians 3 was right after an emotional moment with everyone wordlessly backs rocket up (showing the doubtful gomora, the power of friendship/family or something).

He made casino. He can say whatever the f he wants.

I think the real message is to produce better movies with better writing better characters and better storylines instead of generic nonsensical stuff that people are not appealing to now.... And stop taking old IPs and ruining them

I'm stoked for SuperKiller simply because I know you are an artist. And you're analytical, and you're an observer, and you're hilarious, and you've got a vision, and it's a passion project. And I know it's going to kick ass because of those qualities. But to be honest, aside from that (and maybe the SpiderVerse movies, cuz they're so special and unique) I don't care at all about comics, or comic-related things. I like /real/ movies, and all these big franchise movies just feel completely empty. There's no love. There's nothing artful about them. And I mean, I guess that's enough for a lot of people. Just junkfood eye-candy. I'm just not the target demographic, I guess. Maybe it's silly that I watch all your videos even though I give literally less than zero effs about any of these franchises. I just need more Vito in my life.

Scorcese is just jealous. He doesn't like summer blockbuster type action films being released because it takes the attention away from HIS films. When something "fast paced" and "action-y" is a available OF COURSE the audience (mostly kids, teens, and 20 something's) are going to flock towards it rather than some dramatic depressive, interpretive artsy type film. His self-proclaimed buddy Chris Nolan made a "comic book film" _(The Dark Knight_ Batman trilogy) but Scorcese is suspiciously silent concerning _those._ Apparently his issue is "only" with Marvel. I agree that the recent Marvel films are trash, but that STILL doesn't mean that I will be watching anything Scorcese related. At least Marvel is TRYING to be diverse. Scorcese's films all have the SAME type of actors, he RARELY employs anyone non-White in any major roles, and his thought process is outdated and predictable. Even Chris Nolan learned to evolve. I still give him the side eye for casting a WHITE English actor to play the role of the MEXICAN character Bane, and a White French woman to play the Middle Eastern character of Talia Al Ghul.

You're still pronouncing it wrong 😅 it's Scorsese, not Scorsesi. In italian, as in spanish, vowels always sound the same 😊

Wait is he talking about all comic book films or just the MCU ones. If just the MCU films fair enough. If it’s all comic movies then 🤬

Vito, you are completely shadow-banned on RU-vid man… I watch all your vids and I never get recommended your channel videos… Can you do something about this?

In 2019 I disagreed w/ him. Now? I'm on board. Marvel ruined the MCU, and the DCEU was always bad.

We'll let's be honest I gotta agree with Vito on this.

Hey vito you ganna do a video since today the galactic starcruiser finally closes 😂

You can't keep flogging the same capeshit horse forever, and Marvel's been doing it 32 times in a row.

Tom Hiddleston's a Shakespearean actor, and he's obviously fine being in comic book movies. He's not insecure about it.

Yes

No offense Martin but big talk coming from someone who was in Shark Tale 😂😂😂😂 still mad that it was nominated for an Oscar over the Polar Express or the SpongeBob movie😡😡😡

Yes, he is absolutely right.

I'm so excited

Haven’t watched anything Marvel so I can’t answer but I will watch your video

Marvel DID destroy it

He’s definitely not wrong. Maybe a little shortsighted as there is a lot more wrong with modern cinema than Marvel influences…but it’s certainly part of it.

Bruh nobody has given a damn qbout marvel movies for 3 years

He said it again?

Reminder to Scorsese that the movies he hates help to fund the movies he likes, and he should probably stop being such a snob.

Marvel was never good ..iron man 1 good .. spiderman 1 good..

I guess but pretty much all he directed were dark and gritty stories...sometimes you just want to have a fun turn off your brain superhero flick

Reminder that Shakespeare wrote sequels and was considered a commercial writer.

>video uploads 5 minutes ago >16.5 minute long video >already 20 dislikes and 3 likes Seems like you really pissed off the reddit community.

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It's called jealousy.

Stop eating cereal Vito!!! You're supposed to be losing weight!!!!!