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I love this

tbh we agree!! if someone says that aesthetically a character can't look a certain way it's a MAAAAAAAASSIVE red flag

EXAAAAACTLY, just gotta make sure everyone is on board and party conflict can be amazing

hmmm idk if being fat needs to be a plot point though, people can just be fat. it doesn't have to be like, their defining trait. Generally, I agree, but I don't think plus sized bodies are necessary aspects of backstory.

​@@IdCritThat Everything is a starting point for roleplaying at my table. Why or how a character got fat (if and only if it's a distinguishing feature, aka it's outside the bounds of it's cultural expectations) would be explored at character creation. It could be something as simple as the character has very very slow metabolism, which would be a character trait that would setup roleplay expectations. Or maybe it's something cliché like the character was bullied and now eats his emotions. Maybe it's a picky elf eater that just doesn't like the regular elf diet and was drawn to foods outside of it's evolutionary pathway, aka foods that over optimize it's metabolism. Maybe the same elf isn't a picky eater but was adopted into a different culture where the regular elf diet wasn't available. It doesn't need to be super complicated. But here, I'm talking about making it a distinguishing feature of a character. I agree that a character can be just fat. History is full of examples actually. So historical arguments about fat people not fitting the theme is a bad argument. Plenty of fat nobles with gout issues in history books. The round strongman is also a historical trope. In fact, the common conception of fitness is very modern. But the Greeks, one might say ! When someone has an "ideal" this means a "less than ideal" exists in society. Most historically "fit" people where poor and didn't have access to nutrition. There were in fact fat Greeks and Romans. What I find funny about the "historical arguments" is that fantasy throws a wrench in the balance of power, yet the default fantasy setting is still a classic feudal system. Patriarchal systems in fantasy when magic is the ultimate equalizer ? That's odd, so women are not born with any magical talents ? If anything the power structures of a fantasy world should be based around magic. A magiocracy wouldn't see sex or race, only magical abilities. The muscular and fit man that wields a greataxe would be the bottom of the barrel in that society. The fat nerdy girl with a spellbook would be it's master. And in a society where spellcasters can just summon their food, you'd actually expect them to be a little round. So being fat would actually be a marker of wealth and power ... just like nobility used to be. A real fantasy world would look just like the "wizard vs fighter balance" debate, as they gain levels. Which class becomes the most powerful ? A realistic fantasy world would reflect that.