Are Russell Westbrook's triple-doubles important or is he just a stat stuffer? | THE HERD 

Sam Tha Ruler Spurs, cavs and jazz under .500? i get your point. but it applies to everyones team the warriors have won more games under.500 than over

Eh, Rockets with much better shooters are 4-8 against top 4 teams. So, Harden's doing against weak teams too. And, if the Cavs weren't acting as if regular season doesn't matter, the record would've been 2-10.

Sam Tha Ruler it's not even flawed because of that. It's flawed because they assume that him getting more rebounds per game is leading to these wins when if the bigs were getting the rebounds it'd be the same

westbrooks team is trash, so your sub .500 teams argument is flawed

Sam Tha Ruler why is it flawed? it just shows that against better teams, his very best was not good enough to carry his team, whereas, against lesser teams, they need a triple double just to win. your argument actually emphasizes the quality of his teammates or the coach or the team as a whole.

The Swoosh he just rides Lebron all day.

And the spoon fed Cavs have been playing like dogshit

This comment aged very poorly.

Jimmy Bonez is that you? 😂😂

Jonathan Liddell Well I'm sorry LeBron Cares about championships and not stats.

Dillan Brown His team is 32-9 when he gets a tripple double. Pretty sure Westbrook cares about winning too. But you're just proving my point.

I hate when people say he plays hard every night. youre looking at one side of the floor. watch him on defense. oh yeah he plays real hard

A.R. Smith another example of someone "finding a way to Hate on Westbrook." The Players themselves admit he plays the hardest.

Jonathan Liddell they're being blinded by his offense. nobody talks about how he is as a defender it's just triple double this triple double that

Yeah, great point. Now name me the starters on that 02-03 Orlando team.

i know right! it's like not being a loud mouth idiot is a bad thing lol

hit a 3 lol last couple games he been ice cold

Steven Nguyen 2nd best record in the league

Finish a game with over 8 assists

Jeremiah Castillo It doesn't matter because the damn "triple double" narrative for Westbrook dominates everything

I respect the individual achievement he's accomplished...but he's not playing like an Most Valuable Player. he's playin like a ME Valuable Player...Lebron could easily average a triple double...but him TRYING to do that would take away from the other players and would mess their chemistry up...and that's facts...swap Lebron and Westbrook...thunder would be a way better team and I bet you Lebron still wouldn't average a triple double...why is that? Cuz he's not focused on that...he's focused on having his TEAM operating as a system...what we are seeing from Russell is a worse version of Kobe that actually passes sometimes

But they're 32-9 when he does get one which is all that matters

it's really not that LEGENDARY all caps.... in 5 years nobody will care.

Abdullah Sheikh 6 seed is not legendary

CF Killer okc won 55 wit kd and ibaka last yr, russ won 45 games with 4 remaining. oladipo miss 16 games, kanter miss 12 games, 2nd youngest team, 29th rank in 3s, 2nd yr coach, okc miss the most uncontested 3s in the nba

spainengland1 yup

Everyone is overlooking that Harden is the first player with 2,000+ pts and 2,000 plus assists in a season. But because the "triple double" is so appealing to everyone that is why. Smh

Ledgnr197gaming Which season did James Harden get 2000 assists?

orvcharl1 16-17!!!

But it’s common knowledge that Colin loves Lebron and hates Westbrook so...

Nick Wright

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Daz Sarcasm my dude. My point is he's stat stuffing his was to wins. 32-8 when he "stat stuffs". Whatever works keep doing it.

Jenai Shaw 12-24 when he doesn't get a trip dub

Most of those wins are against sub .500 teams.

thank u mister

Jenai Shaw warriors are 19-0 when Green has triple double... everyone wins games when they get triple doubles, so Russ actually has lost way too more games than he should had. Cavs are probably 10-1 when Lebron gets one, Magic are probably 2(or 3)-0 when Elfrid Payton gets one

Jenai Shaw not to mention okc is 35-16 when Russ gets 10+ reb and 9-16 when he doesn't

tbh it's the fans at least for westbrook, almost every former nba player will says russ is mvp

It's the "chasing" part that people don't like. Let it come organically as part of a strategy where the focus is 100% on winning the game.

The difference is Russ passed Oscar now he just needs the ring

Joshua Hart Russ went 32-9 with a triple double 14-26 when he didn't have one so either u don't no what winning means or ur a hater

Adam Obirek all does trip doubles ain't gone get him out the first round

NAS

westbrook dickriders? so what is collin to LBJ???

Marco Warren a realist

I'd rather see him compete for championships

KERSHIDINATOR GTA and Call of Duty RU-vidr because LBJ isn't in the conversation for the MFP because they use the Valuable word wrong. It's the most flashy player.

The Gaming King honestly in the last few years its just been the best player on the best team

So it makes more sense for him to travel further down the court to start the offense than to let the bigs get the rebound and hit him at 3/4 or half court in stride?

bmantheawsome77 because curry can play with three other stars. thats a valuable skill that russ does not possess

bmantheawsome77 *2, donkey is just an effort guy. We praised him the last two years for putting up TD numbers but now Russ is overrated because of it? I agree Russ had this team in his backpack and is trying to get up the mountain all by himself.

Russ can play with stars he just needs the right ones

what 3 stars? all star game nominees don't translate since its a popularity contest. draymond isn't nor is klay. klay is a system player and draymond

Lamar Palmer buddy your stupid af

Hate how people glorify stats... smh

Brandon Lee Durant in his rookie season had a better field goal than Wesbrook in his prime. Durant was the sonics last star player.

But Westbrook's FG % was trash even with Durant on the team...

To me, FG percentage is everything! (and turnovers). A missed shot is pretty much a turnover and if you are missing shots, you are depleting possessions.

Brandon Lee that's so hypocritical. I don't see Harden having any other all stars on his team

Daz he is obviously important to that, but the point is he doesn't have to constantly carry his team every night because of the warriors system

Lavar Ball Exactly! Curry plays good for 12 games and all of a sudden he's an MVP candidate ???

Collin never said he was an MVP candidate. He is saying people are overly infatuated with the triple double stat because that is the only reason why Westbrook is a true candidate for MVP right now. And he wouldn't have the stats for it if his team was -actively feeding- him rebounds to attain it. Not to say it doesn't matter at all, not to dismiss the points or assists. But at least people can be honest with the fact they are biased in how much they value the triple double and recognize that a few players in the league right now could get it, because they are already right near it without trying for it, if they specifically fought to get it. Even without getting the sheer number of triple doubles, if Westbrook didn't have his 2 bigs " who are supposed to be getting the rebounds since it's their job as bigs, feeding him those rebounds he'd the MVP over Harden because he is unquestionably working with less and getting the same production as Harden. And is making it to the playoffs. But, Collin and others don't like the over glorification of Westbrook over his stat stuffing because it is obvious. Especially by the hypocrites who wanted to critique Lebron when many called him the greatest player in the league, because they felt he came up short in the big moments " lack of clutch gene " and wanted to dismiss the fact his stats were all time great for the first 48 minutes of the game. People are being wishy washy and are obviously letting personal bias affect their objectivity. While I think Collin does it some himself, but his arguments in this case is at least based around the facts of the situation.

Bryan I'm not reading that I'm afraid😂

L CarmeLo in 1676. You can't hide

That's what happens when you manufacture an unnatural triple double for the sake of stats and not for the team.

You're right, hate was too strong a word, I think he's overly critical tho, like he tries too hard to criticize Westbrook, and yeah Colin and Shannon Sharpe love LeBron a lot, I mean LeBron James is my favorite player but I'm not all about him like he's the best thing ever like some are

Cyrus M Jonason nah i know one thats bigger

Ballin Too magic never went a single season averaging 5 turnovers. He averaged less than 4 turnovers a game for his entire career.

magic has a carrer avg of 3.9 Turnover you can round that to 4 but so what magic played at a very slow pace compared to russ so i can understand why he has 5 turnovers a game and hes forcing the ball into bums that cant even get in position to post up

Ma Jo true

that's 8 rebounds a game that nobody else hustled to get

Ma Jo why does he average more offensive rebounds than lebron this year?

he would still be in the MVP race chill out

dude amazing. well said

So true haha

Matthew Chapa so false haha

They are the top 3, then it's WB kawhi harden AD

Nik Burns Agree 💯

wiZo he's the best,most real,and brings in the real world into sports and shows a whole new intellect.

The Gaming King Did you just use "intellect" to describe Colin Cowherd?!? Come on. Who falls for this type of psuedo-"intellect". Throwing around stats without being able to intelligently apply proper context to them is the sign of a person of average intelligence attempting to make intellectual arguments. It sounds "smart" only to those of below average to average intelligence. To the intelligent, it sounds moronic.

Agree. I had no idea Westbrook was this disliked among many "sports guys"

Grimmj7w 32-9 when he stat stuffs. You're welcome.

LeBron has a 30.1% usage rate and has a lower usage rate than Kyrie at 30.9%, that just shows how much he doesn't stat stuff.

Angel Davis Against mostly sub .500% teams who's best option to guard Westbrook is Elfrid Payton. When he plays against the Warriors I don't see him dropping 57 point triple doubles. He stat stuffs against all the bad teams that have no defensive options against him, and when he plays good teams he shoots 39% loses and looks helpless, so much for those triple doubles against bad teams, it's not gonna help him when he exits the playoffs in the first round.

Grimmj7w how do u expect a top 3 player to play against sub par competition??? Smh if u downplay gettin a triple double on the KD-less Thunder in today's NBA ur basketball opinion is null and void

Grimmj7w you're a spastic . you're welcome

TyzillaTeferii I don't understand it bruh anybody who thinks logically understands that James should be MVP

Lol and what are you gonna do with three point shooters with no one to find them after penetrating the lane? Without harden the rockets aren't making the playoffs so your point is invalid

what if i tell you that you lose your best scorer (kd ) your best defensive player (serge) your 6-7 th man (dion). plus your centar (adams) second best player (victor) and current 6th (kanter) are in and out the line up with injuries. you ended last season with 55 wins now on paces to finish 10-5 game less please russell mvp

Tyzilla, spot on. It's amusing when they try to bring up the "Harden has a better team" argument. Before the season started, the media in general had the Rockets (after the addition of Anderson and Gordon) finishing with fewer wins than Oklahoma City (minus Kevin Durant). You'd think they'd be rated higher if Harden supposedly has a better team. The Thunder are what we expected of them (5th-8th seed) but the Rockets surpassed their expectations and are now locked into the 3rd seed.

TyzillaTeferii Stop It..Harden as way better players around him

yo, you're spreaking the truth, jokic almost avg a trip double and he a mvp candidate

Do you see his teammates. They don't have the Cavs talent

That stat is very misleading. Westbrook shoots the 3 and regular FGs at significantly lower percentages in their losses than he does in their wins. OKC's AVG margin of victory is only +1 so his shooting Percentage is what determines their wins or losses not whether or a not he gets a triple double.

+michael jordan his shooting Percentage is what determines their wins or losses because he is their whole team. If he doesn't carry they lose

Daz I'll take my 6 championships and 6 finals MVPs over averaging a triple double any day of the week. No jealousy here, I'm a winner. Just stating facts.

Hanma Yujiro not to mentien that 32-9 is weaker then warrioirs and spurs record %

JonaGOAT Simmons his team is garbage

JonaGOAT Simmons where the next best player is probably enes kanter? Sounds ok to me

JonaGOAT Simmons why not isn't the MVP award a personal award

JonaGOAT Simmons without westrbook the thunder would've even be in the playoffs

JonaGOAT Simmons you're right. nobody in nba history has ever won mvp being lower than the 2nd seed. only person to win it being lower than the 2nd seed was michael jordan in 1988 and he was in the 3rd seed. if russell westbrook wins it this year then kobe got robbed in 2007 while he was averaging 35 points. harden is the mvp

D Mac Lol could Kobe play all 5 position nah. Kobe only played 1 SG. Kobe better than LeBron 😂😂😂. LeBron even out marketed him. I wish ppl wouldn't compare. LeBron will never be MJ, but LeBron took over that hype when MJ left. I admit Kobe did his thing throughout the years. Honestly are we tlkn more about Kobe now, or LeBron nd MJ????

D Mac lol Bron can play PG, SG, SF, PF nd Center. Idk what you trying to get at. I know what I see when Bron plays. He's bigger nd faster than anybody. Nd you must be a Bron hater, lmao. It's cool man, have a nice day..

D Mac here's the thing. I said Bron can play all 5 position. Not he goes out there every night nd plays these 5. Yes finals matchup I've seen Bron play center. Miami Heat vs Boston Celtics, Heat vs Spurs. He went PF to Heat vs OKC finals. See that's where y'all get it twisted. Kobe played those positions during playoffs. Kobe was nd always will be a SG. After TMac got old he stayed at SG. During the NBA finals Boston vs Lakers Kobe played SF last year they won cause KG nd Pierce got old on us. Rondo couldn't​ guard him nd Kobe started defending Rondo. Speak facts nd never misconstrue my words. Bron best 5 way player out here. My opinion. You wanna debate me bro get a podcast 😂😂😂

D Mac nd you are a Bron hater in my book. I specifically talked about Russ only thing you gathered was Bron. Get off my post mayne.

Avrami Barasch wrong! he scored 55 for the record and then westbroook broke harden's record by scoring 57 in a triple double. Case closed.

no points and assist combined most points responsible for ever

Because he has 4 of the top 20 three point shooters in the league and also is on the team that has made the most 3 pointers in a season....DUH

it's because we are seeing it so often from him and a few others that it takes away

And curry has a higher 3p percentage than Westbrook's field goal percentage just shows you how inefficient Westbrook actually is

Michael Johnson iverson was on the east first seed Westbrook's at sixth

Why are you underestimating triple doubles prettyboyflavio

isnt efficent but has the highest player efficency rating lol.

Almon Joseph what about he's terrible field goal percentage

A. Ortega Russ won't be a 3 time champion or go to 6 going on 7 straight NBA finals

+QCW Russ has also never had a cakewalk to the finals 7 consecutive years

QCW so don't take away the accomplishment. of Russell. this is mvp worthy. if LeBron or anyone did this then they. would easily. win mvp don't u agree ..

QCW I can promise you that if the thunder were in the east they would easily make the Conference Finals.

People like you are why people hate sports debates

Spencer Anderson he's right

The Gaming King Hes wrong... How could anybody discredit what Westbrook is doing... The hate is real

you know why no one else has gotten a triple double? because no team needs its guards to get 10 rebounds a night. for a guard to get 10 rebounds every single night his team must "allow" it to happen.

what about the team he's playing against?? are the allowing him to smh

+Marco Warren in a sense they are letting him because guards don't get boxed out. when's the last time you saw someone get boxed out on the perimeter? A large portion of westbrook's double digit rebounds would have fallen in the hands of his bigs anyway. Most bigs don't appreciate guards who do this as rebounds are the way a lot of big guys make their contracts.