Are Salt Lake City And Ryan Smith As Good As The Glowing Reports Portray?

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Ryan Miller, the Utah Jazz beat writer for KSL.com, joins the show to separate hype from reality when it comes to the Salt Lake City market, the Delta Center as an NHL venue, and new owner Ryan Smith.
Miller dives into the challenges that Smith faces in a market with a greater metropolitan population only slightly larger than Tucson, and 46th overall in size in the United States.
0:00 Intro
1:05 Utah Jazz beat writer Ryan Miller joins the show from Salt Lake City
1:30 What ended up bringing the NHL to Utah?
3:20 Are political and religious leaders as in lock-step as they seem on a new arena in SLC?
5:10 The chamber of commerce version of SLC vs the actual SLC
9:30 The appetite for a publicly funded arena in Utah
11:05 Can a small market like Salt Lake City support a new team?
15:20 Youth hockey in Utah
16:55 Is the Delta Center equipped for NHL hockey?
23:50 When will a new arena be built in Utah?
27:20 Who is the real Ryan Smith
39:25 Petey joins the show!
39:45 New city same arena problems?
47:40 The players deserve to be embraced
51:05 Tucson Roadrunners start their playoff run Wednesday
55:40 Who owns the Coyotes history?
56:20 ASU Hockey joins the NCHC
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@R.Roma3 Месяц назад

Seemed like Leah and Craig wanted to hear that Utah won't be the great market everyone says it'll be and I feel like they got quite the opposite. Utah sounds amazing, Ryan Smith sounds like the dream owner, the fans are fired up and will sell out every game, the players will actually be treated like NHL players and the Delta Center is actually pretty nice. Congrats Utah, you're getting a nice, young exciting team and a boat load of draft picks. Enjoy!

@danangell5482 Месяц назад

Agree with all but the Delta Center. The Delta Center's nice for basketball, but terrible for hockey.

@83n80y Месяц назад

Thanks! We're excited! 🙂

@clint83196 Месяц назад

This is a Joke. I left Utah 20 years ago after joining the military. This place is night and day from when I left. Much more than just ‘growing up’. Ive always enjoyed this show, but the recent fascination with bashing Utah to get over your own failings and loss is ridiculous.

@retflo2583 Месяц назад

It really is sad, I understand they are disappointed but they need to move on an support the return of the Coyotes and stop dumping on Utah for taking on the players and staff.

@andrewthestreeter Месяц назад

Were the Smiths supposed to formally eulogize the Coyotes in the introductory presser for their new team? Idk about that. They didn’t steal anything from anyone or wrong the Yotes fans in any way.

@brizzle3947 Месяц назад

Honestly a welcome party/hype event would be a horrible time to eulogize the Coyotes, because it would come off as disingenuous and gloating. Not sure why anyone would be offended that Ryan Smith didn't bring it up. Good PR move on his Part. Let people be offended at what he didn't say, because if he had said something, it probably would have started a firestorm of anger towards him.

@Ravi-did-it Месяц назад

This guys take is so far off. Downtown has not only changed in 20 years but I see downtown going crazy with new construction and entire new blocks being renovated almost weekly. There’s probably 30+ new major apartment building in the past 2-3 years creating population density downtown. The cost of living has shot up like crazy the downtown demographic is much more diverse. Does it have a ways to go? Absolutely. It started as a very small low density Downtown. But Salt Lake Proper is what we call the wasatch front. From Ogden to Lehi there a lot of people and yes he’s correct not everything is centered in downtown it’s more of a spread like LA. Utahns will show up and this team will be very successful. Sorry AZ your boys leveled up

@kgroves17 Месяц назад

Yeah the comment about downtown not changing at all was definitely wrong.

@moderaterevolution504 Месяц назад

Ogden to Spanish Fork. Lehi isnt even to Provo which is 3rd population center, and 3rd metro of the area.

@Ravi-did-it Месяц назад

@@moderaterevolution504 congrats on the obvious. You really just woke everyone up with that knowledge bomb

@moderaterevolution504 Месяц назад

@@Ravi-did-it Yet you didnt know it? What the fuck are you talking about?

@Ravi-did-it Месяц назад

@@moderaterevolution504 no one cares about the small city to small city break down. Those of us that actually live downtown don’t look at past point of the mountain relevant to SLC. But thank you Lehi, pleasant grove, Orem, Provo the oddest run of overly Mormon towns you’ll ever experience

@TheChamrod04 Месяц назад

And thats why i watch ABC4 and not KSL.

@kgroves17 Месяц назад

My heart goes out to all the die hards in Arizona. I wish things could have played out differently and I sincerely hope that the Yotes come back soon! Thanks for bringing on Ryan to try to get a better sense of Salt Lake. I just want to add a little more to what he was saying. The “Salt Lake City” metro is deceiving. It only includes Salt Lake County… the big tech hubs that Ryan talked about are primarily in Utah County, and the “SLC” metro doesn’t include people that live less than 10 miles north of downtown. To be completely honest, the “SLC” metro has never made any sense to me. For this reason, you really need to look at the CSA - 2.7 million. Yes, it’s much smaller than Phoenix but it’s also not nearly as small as it appears.

@kgroves17 Месяц назад

Point is that saying there are only 1.2 million “in and around Salt Lake” is factually incorrect. Though I understand why this is confusing to someone who doesn’t live in Utah.

@Kolari85 Месяц назад

This is correct. Salt Lake, Davis, Weber, and Utah counties are all effectively part of the Salt Lake metropolitan area, with a population of over 2.7 million. There are also other (albeit smaller and in some cases wealthier) communities within a 45-minute or less drive (like Park City, Heber, and Tooele) that aren't included in those numbers.

@JoshMontoya-sn2zy Месяц назад

Tooele population is counted in the greater salt lake statistical area

@doughintze3618 Месяц назад

Excited in SLC - thanks for sharing and teaching! True condolences to the people a part of it in PHNX, but hopefully the expansion happens for you!

@Metal_4U2 Месяц назад

KSL is conservative church owned media. This Miller dude has that side of the conversation. Seeing what the Smith's have done in their lives and business gives me a lot of hope. The population should include the suburbs, just to make the equation accurate. Utahns don't really have a problem paying for infrastructure that will bring future events and income. Like Miller said, our 2002 Olympic venues have been used and kept updated. We have a new airport, hotels, freeways, restaurants, light rail from the airport right to the Delta Center. The arena and surrounding blocks will undergo massive change that will benefit the 2034 Olympic experience as well as the NHL and Jazz teams.

@RyanOlsonIsHere Месяц назад

I don’t think the new/renovated arena is a selling point for the Olympics. One of the biggest selling points for Salt Lake hosting the Games again was _not_ spending tons of cash for venues. Delta Center hosted figure and short track speed skating in 2002 and was set for it again in 2034.

@MrTAFSIYNOT Месяц назад

The return of the NHL is not going to happen in AZ as long as the State, City, and County governments show very weak support. There is also an anemic enthusiasm displayed by the community. And if Meruelo is still in the picture, we are doomed for failure. It's always euphoric when there is a new Pro sports team in town, but I think in a few years SLC will start losing money. A new tax was shoved down the throats of taxpayers of Utah for a billionaire who stands to make millions as NHL teams' values increase year after year.

@johnnyrocks7967 Месяц назад

You bitter AZ guys need to realize this was Bettman’s one desperate way to get rid of a shady owner. Utah won’t have all of the red tape and “under the table” deals that AZ has been dealing with for the last couple decades. The Utah arena will be funded and built/remodeled quickly without many problems and hopefully a new ownership group will stand up in PHX and start a new coyotes franchise. At the end of the day, this was Bettman getting rid of Meruelo the quickest way he could.

@LargeOhioSon Месяц назад

Although I disagree that their analysis comes from them being bitter, I genuinely do believe that the catalyst of this is Bettman being annoyed enough that he wanted to dump Meruelo. As soon as Utah jammed through 90M for a new stadium and Bettman saw Smith had real connections in the local government, that was enough to hot potato the team into Smith's lap. I think Meruelo was just too unpleasant and unsavvy on all fronts and they NHL was looking for a legal way to dump him bc they can't just strip a owner of their team. They don't have that level of control. They can force a sell scenario tho... I also think Bettman was afraid of having Playoffs in mullet arena and Yotes competing for a wild card this year rushed the math

@PabloCherrington Месяц назад

Thanks for these episodes. I hope any Coyotes fans will feel welcome in SLC. I understand if that won't be an offer some want but your love for this team is impressive.

@tomrich8333 Месяц назад

This guy has no idea

@Kolari85 Месяц назад

This is the best primer I could've ever hoped for. So much detail, and I love the personal touches.

@stevef1748 Месяц назад

I swear to God, if I hear Ryan Miller say “like” one more time, I’ll gouge my eyes out. If it were a drinking game, I’d be dead.

@brizzle3947 Месяц назад

While I agree that the arena situation is going to be a hurdle, it will absolutely be taken care of in a timely manner. Not only does Utah have the business support, but has the political support. And with the Olympics returning, state-of-the-art facilities are a guaranteed. Unfortunately, the future was too uncertain in AZ with all of the waffling their management and politicians were doing.

@Chris-kl6sx Месяц назад

It sounds like the plan for the Delta Center is to take out the suites on one end & mirror Balmer’s “Wall” in the new Intuit Dome. Then they’ll add a level of suites on the opposite end with a smaller seating section to the floor/ice.

@glendayle Месяц назад

I've been in several NHL rinks over the years. TMobile is fantastic. I'm not trying to suggest that a revamped Delta will be that level. It was originally built for dual purpose and Grizzlies used to play there. My speculation is that the Olympics is part of the long term stadium plan. I also think that even the most optimistic folks didn't expect an NHL team for at least 5 years, so the expedited timeline is clearly an issue. All of the 2002 Olympic facilities are still in use. I think they'll utilize some Olympic money to build/co-build a new arena. If that could be a possibility, a 500m revamp of Delta makes more sense to me. I also believe Smiths preference would be to have the teams in Draper/old prison land, but that he needed to commit to staying in Salt Lake for the governmental support. Probably a compromise most would make. I have a lot of friends in Cache Valley(90 min drive) buying season tickets and SLC is closer for the 3rd wave of population density(60-90 minute drive).

@nicko5945 Месяц назад

I’m still sorry for the loss of the team but y’all keep making a big deal over the size of the SLC market by using completely inaccurate information. You need to look at TV markets or even combines statistical areas. SLC is a bigger market than places like Pittsburgh, Vegas, Columbus, Raleigh, etc.

@kgroves17 Месяц назад

Agreed. I’ve come to love this show but this “1.2 million in and around SLC” needs to stop. This is as big of a pet peeve for me as the “unpaid bills got the team kicked out of Glendale” is for the hosts.

@nicko5945 Месяц назад

@@kgroves17 amen my friend. Both of those narratives are driving me insane!

@gambiit08 Месяц назад

It's also bigger than Winnipeg, Edmonton, Ottawa....

@TheChamrod04 Месяц назад

The Wasatch Front has over 2 million people, that's a decent size market.

@freeksho5000 Месяц назад

I find it hilarious that the fans are complaining about their team coming to Utah but the mullet holds 5k people and they were averaging 4500. Maybe we can let them borrow a few of the 27k people who put deposits down on season tickets. 😂😂😂

@MrTAFSIYNOT Месяц назад

WHY WOULD YOU BID ON LAND IN NORTH PHOENIX FIRST, THEN TALK TO THE CITY? Makes no sense, shouldn't that be the other way around?

@pato7554 Месяц назад

PizzaGate in the Covid Bubble vs Gourmet Chefs. Happy to hear our (former) players will finally get treated the right way.

@toddfairbourne4438 Месяц назад

Just so people know. This is my second post on him. As I listened to this podcast, Ryan Smith is literally uneducated on this and making c*** up so he can feel good and be a part of this. He's obviously revealing some of his own biases. This is ridiculous. First of all it's not a trash arena. Yeah, it wasn't built for hockey, but the Utah, Grizzlies played there for 2 or 3 years when they first came and I had season tickets. It was not a horrible view. It was actually very good skies and more on.

@haroldwarner4337 Месяц назад

Sorry couldn’t watch live. It confirms what I said, in the end, this was the NHL’s decision.

@LargeOhioSon Месяц назад

So not to put my own team down but I really does feel like Utah will be like Columbus. Smaller, but extremely loyal market, surrounded by much larger and competitive markets. So what happens in this scenario is your games will sell out but you might notice a lot of maroon or gold in the stands during your games. I might not like how Utah is getting their team but I wouldn't to wish the Blue Jackets bad luck on them. Haha

@mosinc7388 Месяц назад

They should build a new one just for hockey.

@RyanOlsonIsHere Месяц назад

Did some digging into amateur hockey because I’m on the ice in Utah (for curling) and I always see hockey happening. Apparently Utah has more ice than Arizona, but Arizona has way more USA Hockey players (9,232) than Utah (3,861), as of 2021-22. Cali is tops in the West (28K), but Minnesota is tops overall (58K).

@glendayle Месяц назад

A lot of players and leagues are unsanctioned or affiliated with other organizations than USA hockey. The rinks are booked all day. It took me several years to get my kids into learn to play hockey because of the limited availability.

@RyanOlsonIsHere Месяц назад

@@glendayle That's fair. I hope there are better numbers out there. Also, I'm curious how hockey compares with other ice sports. There doesn't seem to be an easy way to find figure skating figures. At the Utah Olympic Oval, a 2017 report showed hockey was about 40% of the activity there (with two sheets and an oval).

@LargeOhioSon Месяц назад

So having a pro team does a lot for youth development. Hockey is prohibitedly expensive sport of a lot of people but having a pro team that funnels some of that money into youth leagues helps ease those burdens some. So here in Columbus, we were a hockey town. We had a very popular ECHL team but youth hockey didn't really bloom until after the Jackets arrived.

@RyanOlsonIsHere Месяц назад

@@LargeOhioSon That's a great point. Utahns can be known for being frugal, but a lot of us expect an NHL team to supercharge youth hockey in the state. It's also interesting how many adult USA Hockey players there are in states like Arizona.

@Xerxes910 Месяц назад

Like any team, if they win consistently, they will build a loyal fanbase. Unfortunately, we here in AZ never had that capability due to the horrible ownership. It's sad when the best owner with the greatest success is the NHL themselves. Utah is perfect for Hockey as most of the games are not on Sunday and the people want pro sports.

@Kolari85 Месяц назад

This podcast continues to deliver! As a new NHL fan, I continue to marvel at the quality and quantity of the coverage. As a Utahn living near and working in downtown Salt Lake, I strongly disagree with Ryan's characterization of the downtown area. From my perspective, it has and continues to change rapidly. Much of it is unrecognizable from when I started working downtown ~20 years ago. I really appreciate the coverage on Utah and that you took the time to interview Ryan! Unfortunately, his rambling really contrasted with the polished and thoughtful deliveries of the hosts. I consume quite a bit of Jazz content and really enjoy his articles. This was my first time hearing him interviewed, and I don't think I'll go out of my way to listen to another one. For a more nuanced take, I'd recommend the Salt Lake Tribune's Andy Larsen.

@brizzle3947 Месяц назад

I don't think Ryan Smith sending regards to Coyote fans in AZ would have been a good move at a NHL welcome party in Utah meant to hype up the players and new fans. It isn't the right time or place for something like that. It would come off as disingenuous, to mention it and then immediately start hyping the fact that Utah has a hockey team. AZ fans would probably see it as rubbing salt in their wounds and gloating. Not sure if he has said anything about AZ in seperate PR conferences or interviews, but those would be the right time to do that.

@robertlee8474 Месяц назад

Very good show today. Thank you. It is true that SLC has some of the same problems we, over the course of the 11 years I was a ST holder had except the most important one. Your guest indicated that the residents of SLC support their city’s teams. If the team comes on to the ice and the sound man doesn’t have to pump the music real high because the opposing teams fans are louder and more numerous than “ Coyote “ fans. That is more important than “ sight lines”

@freeksho5000 Месяц назад

Leah could know Jack Sh!t about sports…… but because of her extreme hotness, she is now the “subject matter expert” on all sport. 🎉🎉🎉

@rolandlymangrover754 Месяц назад

The NHL led with their chin. Sure, Utah fans show up, but when you keep adding teams, you dilute ticket sales. That's what happened in Arizona.

@ky_muskie Месяц назад

Genuinely, I hope the best for all Yotes fans and I continue to feel for every one of you all, but the whole market size point is just entirely wrong. You were trying to play a bit of a “gotcha” but you were not even presenting the information correctly. You were just presenting the metro population as the “market size”, while you should be using the TV market size, which is an entirely different measurement. When you use the TV market size, the SLC market is bigger than Raleigh, Pittsburgh, and various others. C’mon guys.

@glandersonbooper9342 Месяц назад

We, the people of the Salt Lake Valley, are immune to salt.

@michaelkehr3653 Месяц назад

As someone who plays hockey in Utah, your guest speaker didn’t do any homework about hockey in this state. It’s Just pessimistic rambling on to me! Had to shut it off!

@DR-gh7yk Месяц назад

Great. Please leave

@Raneymon Месяц назад

I see you guys losing a lot of fans after this stupid take. The difference with the arena situation is instead of getting kicked out, everywhere in utah is bidding to get the arena. The market for the hockey team is so much better in utah. Your insulting the place that got your team so your insulting yourselves if they are better. Drop it, your team and market sucked and everyone in the NHL is excited for this move. The owners all voted for it and they basically forced it to happen.

@DR-gh7yk Месяц назад

If you’re not an Arizona fan, why are you here? It’s a rhetorical question. Go do something else.

@ragemachine1559 Месяц назад

Don't be so butthurt

@toddfairbourne4438 Месяц назад

Ryan Miller is a joke.He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.If he doesn't have a clue, what he's talking about.It's like your brother-in-law.Spout and off on this Salt Lake is so different.Now, as it was opposed to 20 years ago, it's ridiculous.This guy is just trying to sound like he has a clue in truth he's clueless

@thedukeparty Месяц назад

It’s honestly starting to get pathetic. You’re like the jealous boyfriend who got dumped and just keeps talking shit about his ex. I’m sorry Arizona lost their team. It sucks. But this is pathetic

@RE1GN_BLOOD Месяц назад

This was a desperate unorganized move. Crazy when you consider there’s a perfectly fine actual HOCKEY arena in phoenix.

@BrianH16 Месяц назад

Footprint Center can’t hold hockey anymore, would have to be renovated

@Ravi-did-it Месяц назад

Think about how bad things had to be to force such a rapid move and how much upside was seen for SLC. Didn’t happen just because

@craigwilliams6184 Месяц назад

Downtown SLC is so much worse than Glendale. This will fail. Utah is all transplants like AZ but SLC metro population is 1 million compared to Phoenix at 5 million. Good luck Utah! 😂 I bet we get our team AND all our players back in 5 years!

@Ravi-did-it Месяц назад

SLC is not all transplants. Most people have strong Utah ties and never want to leave. Most of us feel about Utah the way Ryan Smith does, they e already sold out the season. Your assessment is absurd. But hey bad takes are a dime a dozen

@DroneShots-sw9cm Месяц назад

Keep running your mouth and we’ll take the D-backs as well😂😂😂

@sidelviravila2884 Месяц назад

27,000 season ticket deposits as of yesterday, the support of our governor, and the support of salt lakes mayor say otherwise. I guarantee people will drive 1+ hours to show up and support this team. I know I myself along with others in our hockey community here in my hometown will gladly travel 3 hours to catch a few games this next season. I’m a coyotes fan and it pains me that we lost our team due to the incompetence of previous owners and Alex Meruelo himself. I’m confident hockey will be back in the state of Arizona, I just hope they do it right the second time around. The fans deserve it.

@stevef1748 Месяц назад

God, what an ignorant comment. GFY pal.

@bennywurz2995 Месяц назад

Coyotes Podcast? Coyotes are history and it will stay that way! They were run / managed like a complete disaster or Circus 🎪 and you guys are questioning how things will be better in Salt Lake city? Watch and weep 😢😢