I don't consider it cheating, just unfair. But mainly unfair to people such as myself who don't want to spend upwards of $150 USD on a video gam controller.
+Warped Couldnt have said it any better myself. I dont use a scuf, but I always play with a headset. It is not cheating when I soundwhore my enemies since soundwhoring is part of the game but it certainly gives me an unfair advantage over those people that dont use a headset and cannot hear my footsteps.
I have always thought they were very unfair and I wish they didn't exist. It gives try hards a huge advantage. Stick and move just doesn't compare, you can jump, knife and drop easily with a scuf.
+Garrett J I tried out bumper jumper and I just couldn't get used to it, stick and move is definitely the way to go. Glad to see other people actually use it.
Lol there's no difference between the two - they're the same thing- going god mode is unfair but it's not cheating? Or is going god mode cheating but it's fair? It's the same thing, manipulating the gameplay to get an advantage over your opponent who is using oem equipment
Ace the fact that a Scuf user can shoot semi-auto pistol at me and make it feel almost automatic because of the stoppers they have is not fair. Also, by us changing our controller settings make us lose something, for example the ability to knife as fast as opposed to Scuf users who don't have to move their fingers anywhere.
+iDankiie For the trigger stops comment, a lot of people have a good trigger finger regardless of the stops. I literally don't notice a difference in my rate of fire with or without them. Here's a great example of me without my scuf (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lrOg2CAI6FU.html). You do bring up a great point about the button layouts and often having to sacrifice something.
+iDankiie How about this--fuck "fair". I absolutely detest that fucking word because it's not a real word. It's something made up by social Marxists who got this idea in their heads that things should be absolutely equal for all people (i.e. "fair"). Well, guess what? They lied! Nothing has ever been fair, and nothing ever will!
+Luís Sousa i play with a keyboard/mouse on these consoles with an Xim4. it's great as it allows me to be able to play with my friends and not be hindered by a controller. check it out!
I know this probably wouldn't be read much but here's my argument. Since I play PC, this is like comparing using a regular Dell/Hp mouse with like a steel series or Razer mouse. Both do the exact same thing: Allow you to aim. But obviously a branded gaming mouse does with with better precision, accuracy, tracking etc. I still have friends that use a regular stock mouse and they are freaking good with it. To me its about getting used to your hardware and maximising it.
A SCUF is an advantage, not a massive one but an advantage non the less. There is always a compromise with different button layouts, for example I use stick and move but as a result I rarely if ever win panic knifing situations because I have to move my thumb to do it. I can use Tactical and drop shot but have the same issue. A SCUF allows you to do everything with no compromise. It's BS and the game would have been better if they'd never been invented.
Just because it gives an edge doesn't make it cheating, it's like any other peripheral for a certain genre: For example, racing games have steering wheels Dogfighting games have joysticks Fighting games also have joysticks and dedicated buttons (I.E. Street fighter game boards) And FPS has extra paddles on the back of their controllers. People like to complain about cheating but it's because this kind of thing is new to them.
It's not about whether it's cheating or not, it's about whether it's an unfair advantage. Personally I think it is as not everyone has or can afford a SCUF and it's most certainly an advantage, no matter how minor
The thing is, Yes it does give you an advantage but it is fair in my opinion and here's why: These controllers allow you to do things much easier than with standard controller BUT you are still able to do these things without the controllers (i.e Jump and continue to aim) with things like bumper jumper or Claw. Same with any other peripheral, It makes playing easier but it doesn't allow you to dominate
Nah if 3rd party controllers were never invented everyone's movement would be trash. It's not an unfair advantage. Like Ace said in the video, you don't need these controllers to do anything that they help you do, they just make it easier.
In the eyes of Microsoft's Terms of use. It is indeed cheating. Any mod that gives an advantage over another user breaks the TOS. And yes a SCUFF is a modded controller.
+bkpickell What about an Xbox Elite Controller? Is that cheating? It comes stock with a lot of console packages now. If the answer is no and you feel the Elite isn't cheating then the Scuf gives no advantage over the Elite and, therefore, it can't be considered cheating by the logic that you used.
Well, those just came out if I'm not mistaken. And I don't believe they are available on last gen. So technically people using scuff on last gen would still be using a modded controller.
+bkpickell Yet no one will ever get in trouble by microsoft for using a SCUFF, ever. It may be a modded controller, but it doesn't actually allow you to do anything you can't already do on a normal controller. It may give someone an advantage over those who don't have one, but all the extra buttons do the exact same thing as existing buttons. It is also allowed in MLG and tournament play, so that says it all for me.
Couch Guy Yn I know that. I was just making a statement. And if you read the TOS you would see I'm correct. Scuff controllers are modded 360 controllers, Elite controllers are not modded. So there is that. lol
Justin Hillman OpTic Scump plays claw and was the best player in AW, top 5 in both BO3 and IW, and top 5 all time in cod history doesn't need to use a scuf(he has them without the paddles) so your argument is invalid.
This is exactly what I would expect to hear from a scuf user. It's clearly an unfair advantage, you're playing it down by saying you can do with a scuf what you can do with a regular one, but it's just a little more comfortable. It's more than that, it makes it very easy to evade bullets while allowing you to maintain your normal accuracy, which is simply just not possible with a regular controller, and the claw technique is bad for you're fingers, and probably increases your chances of getting carpal tunnel too. You're playing it down like it's not s clear advantage, but no one would buy scuf, let alone two like yourself, no one would spend THAT much more money on a controller if it wasn't for the very clear advantage scufs will give you. I know the advantage, I'm thankful bumper jumper tactical is now a new button layout, because it's the only way to put myself at the same advantage that a scuf player has, but most people don't know about this new button layout, so it's still easy to outplay other players just by simply jumping, cause they can't, they can jump and then shoot, but I can jump three times while shooting someone which makes me way harder to hit. Unfair advantage.
+MonkeyMan075 but muscle memory still wants to hit A sometimes. And without a scuff it will get you killed, because on a scuff A is still jump. go into a wall run with an alternate button layout and hit A, you are either throwing a tactical or knifing. and don't get me started on knifing. I cant even use the ripper specialist, because I keep forgetting A is my knife.
His argument also does not hold ground when it comes to the xbox elite controller: it has hair triggers and an app that allows you to change the sensitivity curves, fine tune them in great detail, it is something that the games usually DOES NOT ALLOW. SCUF, elite controllers and mouse and keyboards adapters for consoles are a market that feeds on providing unfair advantage and some form of cheating to console gaming.
People who have a product always wanna justify it. This video was pointless. You're basically saying "Yes, I have a Scuf controller so no, its not cheating because you can do it without the controller." While yes that may be true, it still allows you to do multiple commands at once, which serves as an advantage over an opponent. So since you can do that without a Scuf, then why did you buy one? And before you say "What about the Elite controller?" Look at the price of it, and I still consider that an unfair advantage, no matter who it comes from. I don't care who uses them, but the question was what we thought. Thats just my opinion.
Exactly, and if you can do those movements "more comfortably," in essence, it's 'easier' then it does give an unfair advantage over those users who not only find it uncomfortable to play in "claw" but "hard as hell" to play in claw. Using middle fingers on the back-side of the controller doesn't require finger gymnatics like "claw" can for some people (particularly me with my short fingers). lol. All using middle fingers on the back-side of the controller require is re-wiring muscle memory by constant use. Claw is just awkward for my hand to physically perform. So for me, anyone using a method to keep their thumbs on the joysticks at all times with the ability to jump, aim, and shoot all at once will always have an unfair advantage over a person like me playing with a traditional controller that finds "claw" style unbearably hard to do.
So people that can play claw have an unfair advantage because you find it too uncomfortable? That's like saying people who can aim better have an unfair advantage because you're not comfortable with an analog stick enough to aim well. Or that people with no jobs and don't go to school, who can no-life CoD have an unfair advantage over people who can only play a couple matches a day. At the end of the day, regardless of what controller you're using the more skilled player is going to win 99.999% of the time. Dumping a bunch of cash into a fancy controller isn't going to improve your aim or give you better reaction times. This just sounds to me like another excuse people throw out when they lose. "It wasn't that I had less skill or that my opponents were better than me... it's because of their controller!" Sorry bud, but no.
+SlimFish3r because what people can do on a 3000€ computer, I can run on a laptop, you can't put paddles or shit on a 60€ controller without spending over the amount for the 120€ one
Pros use scufs so it's legit? So because role models do drugs, commit crimes, etc it means it's legit? They shouldn't be allowed to use them.... scuf probably pays a shit ton of money to have their product to be used - everyone has a price, doesn't mean it's a fair and honest way of playing
+uaestar I played scuf for few months and two days ago I switched to claw just to try it out. For me claw gives me more fun, I realized I hate being dependent on hardware.
The ability to switch weapons jump reload Crouch/prone position Jump shot Drop shot All without moving your thumbs from the Analog Is a clear advantage Over default controllers
+Alex Pezold Since my Scuf broke I picked up stick and move and I can't honestly say there would be a big difference. Scuf feels more comfortable in hand probably but that's it.
my problem is I HAD to adapt to a new controller scheme because I can't play casual anymore when everyone else uses scuff, which is annoying. being forced to play a different way to "have fun" is annoying imho
+Kurtis Kroetsch If you can afford a PS4 or XBOX One you can afford to spend a little more on a controller. Matter of fact, people usually buy a second controller to play split screen with friends. That excuse is pretty tired out.
+alxbengosu That argument makes even less sense. A scuff controller is more than 3 times more expensive than the game itself and sometimes half the price of the actual console with which you can play multiple games, watch movies or go online. A scuff controller is simply not the sort of investment a casual gamer can afford to make.
I hear there's this "claw" grip you can use with normal controllers? So like I said in the above post, you either change your style or buy a Scuff-like controller. That is if you want to be "competitive" in pubs. Most casual gamers don't care, from what I see in multiplayer pub matches.
scuff is a modded controller dude.... and his function is help to kill more easy. so... definitely is Unfair for player that doesn't have one of these.
exactly, people don't know the meaning of a modded controller, it doesn't matter what it has on it, it is a modified controller, and in Xbox's terms of service they state that these things are not allowed
Of course, but since then Microsoft has endorsed scuf (Sony allows them at events they have sponsored so that shows support). Microsoft has also released their own version of a scuf controller; the Elite controller.
Ppl seem to think a SCUF is just magically going to make you win every gunfight all the time which simply isn't true. You still need to have accuracy skill even while using a Scuf to hit your target and stay on target etc. And a Scuf can't improve a player's overall skill like timing, map knowledge, predicting and reading enemies etc. Also there are CoD RU-vidrs out there who don't own or use a Scuf and are really great with regular controllers. So in conclusion anyone who bitches about Scuf just sucks at CoD or other FPS games and needs to face that fact and admit it's the truth.
Thibk about it like this: its the equivalent and haveing two kids in a basketball 1v1 Kid #1 is wearing jeans, a t shirt, and has a worn down basketball Kid #2 has $2000 air jordans, basketball shorts, a tanktop and maximum grip ball Now it does come down to who is better at basketball, but obviously kid #2 will have a much easier time
They aren't cheating at all IMO. Maybe a little unfair. Before I got my scuf I could still jump shot with relative ease. Now that I got one its just a lot easier. I feel it's a little unfair because there are some gunfights that I know I probably wouldn't have won if I didn't have a scuf.
legalkillerkev IMO is an abbreviation just like "lmao" So maybe you should stop using that. It's the internet people use abbreviations to type fast. In real life I wouldn't say IMO
was the game designed with scuf controllers in mind? no. the game was designed to be used with a regular PS4 or XBONE controller. I would say scuf is cheating because it adds more functionality that wasn't intended. I have a special keyboard that I use for playing MMO's. Theres a bunch more buttons around my hand that allows me to press buttons that would normally be out of reach like (CTRL + 0). Is this cheating? yes I would say it is. I was a much better player because of this. And I can tell you right now that the games I played with PvP were real unfair for the other players since most use a normal keyboard to play. The argument can always be made that anyone could go out and buy a scuf or in my case a razer Anansi. But the games weren't designed with those peripherals in mind. They don't allow you to do anything you couldn't do before, but they sure as hell allow you to do more than what was intended. Personally I don't care either way what anyone uses. I consider myself a cheater and would be a hypocrite if I didn't call myself one after explaining my viewpoint. But as long as the game was designed for standard peripherals, I would call anyone using anything that gave you an advantage over other players a cheater.
You need to make this go viral on Twitter. The point is...if this is the new style. Release these controllers for everyone during the release of a new console. Nope;won't happen because its too powerful of a tool.
I don't think it's cheating, but there is 100% incontrovertibly a disadvantage if you are not playing claw (and I still think there is even if you are). With bumper jumper you have to play claw to aim while throwing your flashbang, and you have to use your middle finger to ADS (unlike how most people hold the controller) if you ever want to jumpshot effectively. With stick and move you are pressing a stick which can impact your aim. It's also a lot different than a button. You are forced to play claw if you want to aim while still being able to melee/go crouch/go prone/slide. Even then you have to move the "claw" finger around which is a slight disadvantage to the stationary middle fingers for scuf controllers. It's pretty hard to argue that it isn't giving you an advantage over a regular controller. You can use the same broken logic for a modded controller. It's just like having a really fast trigger finger. The gameplay is the same (I'm just talking about a full auto modded controller not a jitter mod) so you don't know the difference. It's just more comfortable to hold it down than to tire out my trigger finger. I'm not saying a modded controller isn't cheating, I'm just using it as a counter argument. The standpoint in the video is pretty obvious. Ace didn't go into the disadvantages of having to use bumper jumper or stick and move, but he did go into the details about the modded controller. I'm just doing the opposite.
While playing on stick and move, holding down the right analog stick can mess up aim more than having a SCUF or Xbox One Elite controller. The people who spend more money on those special controllers have a clear advantage, and it is unfair. Is it cheating? That's debatable. Elite controllers sold by actual console developers and manufacturers are very similar to SCUFs, but SCUF is a modded controller (yes, it is modified). I'd say no, it's a legal modified controller.
Ace you are the best cod youtuber you dont ask for likes your voice is calming you dont have outbursts of like rage or like screaming if you get something good in SD honestly I would say for etiquette 10/10 Keep up the good work and videos
On PS4 you can make custom button assignments. I use L1-aim, R1-shoot, L2-jump, R2-slide, X-lethal, O-tactical. Gives me the same abilities as scuff for free. Plus you can turn it on/off by holding the PS button and selecting/unselecting it in the menu.
totally agree with you Ace. Microsoft has their own and all the major competitions allow them so it isn't cheating and even saying they are unfair is stretching it, really thin. get used to another button layout or claw. or just get one for yourself,I really don't see how a gamer can't afford one. if you're that casual of a player then it shouldn't even be an issue. Scuf, battle beaver, I think even cinch offer a send in service for the controller you're already using making it cheaper. maybe we'll all get lucky and the consoles will start being sold with these types of controllers included
I'm don't play competitive but I like to do well( I'm kinda like a serious casual gamer).I'm in that category who really can't afford a $120 controller since that's the cost of a book for college but I lose gunfights because all these guys go around jump shooting with their scuff. It honestly makes me really mad that they can pay for an obvious advantage. And I don't want to change my button layout because I've been gaming all my life and I'm used to certain buttons doing certain things... It's not worth the learning curve
+DeXdAA I guess if you want to play competitively you'll save the money for one. am I so out of touch that these controllers are unattainable by some? I went for a long time without one and, I didn't want to spend that much got a controller but when I finally did it yes it was worth it. so much more natural and comfortable, and easier. if you're serious about playing even just serious casual gaming save the money for one. send in service with four paddles is $50. you won't get remapping or grips or trigger stops but you'll get the extra paddles
+ImmortalJeremyHD I feel your pain. see my other reply. $50 send in service is a no frills special for the extra paddles from Scuf. I'm not sure what battle beaver costs for send in but they have awesome customer service. you can complain about people using them or bite the bullet and save for one. When I finally got one I thought it was worth it if for no other reason than Lee frustration from losing those same gunfights
Nova StrykerHD Because they are superior to a normal controller. You can keep both fingers on the knobs while manipulating a button of your choice. You wouldn't have to use them but they are there if you want to. It also would even out the playing field because people are using them. Lots of people use them and love them because they work.
It's not cheating but you definitely get a significant advantage. You forgot to mention the trigger stops, they also give an advantage on shooting games.
I feel that people should quit complaining and just get use to the different button layouts like I did. It took me a couple of games to get use to it but it was worth it. But if by all means you have money to spare go right ahead and buy one.
Here's a simple flow chart to tell you when something is unfair: Does it give an advantage? If the answer is yes, then it is unfair. It's as simple as that. SCUF controllers give players an advantage, therefore they are unfair. I think you have a bias since you use SCUF controllers.
Scuf controllers are unfair and cheating. The ONLY reason button layouts like bumper jumper/stick n' move exist is to try to balance out all the scuf players. The controller is BULLSHIT honestly. You literally have extra buttons ! how is that not cheating or unfair? Yeah sure i can switch my button layout and Boom i can jumpshot, okay. But now my knife is "x". Mean while the scuf guy can jumpshot with one pannel, panic knife/and or reload with the other and drop shot with r3 lol
+JBHviews What about the xbox elite controller that now comes as the stock controller with a lot of xbox packages? It does the same thing as a Scuf. Are you a cheater if you use the stock controller that comes with your console?
+TheXclusiveAce to be honest i think thats only come out because of scuff and paddle controllers. both an RF controller and a paddle controller allow you to more easily do something within the game. how you can say one is cheating but not the other is not logical. as i said before personally i dont care what people use as long as its not a mod menu or other related nonsense. niether controller are going to give you a wall hack and an aim bot after all ☺
+JBHviews Is it unfair if people play claw? It would be impossible to tell if a player is using Scuf or claw unless you were physically there to see. Scufs were created to combat claw in the first place (well claw is terrible for your hand muscles anyways).
It is unfair, you said yourself that it's a matter of "comfort and ergonomics." Well those are advantages behind a pay wall, which makes them unfair. Not to mention how playing claw requires practice to do effectively, as opposed to the easy pick uo of a Scuf. Scufs aren't cheating, but they are unfair.
@@fog4259 But it gives you an unfair advantage locked behind a paywall. A player that is the same level of skill as a player with a scuf is at a disadvantage because of a paywall. Hence, unfair.
@@emotivation2841 then basically having better hardware is cheating. Usain bolt is cheating because he has better genes than me.The rich people are cheating to because they have more money. Eating food is cheating because there are people that they just can’t eat.
@@emotivation2841 skill is totally subjective to the person who is playing. I was cranking like crazy with a fucking iPad at 30fps. There are pro players playing at 60fps against people with 240.
@@fog4259 I did not say that having better hardware was cheating, I said it was unfair, which is an indisputable fact. People that don't have the money to pay for something like that will be at a disadvantage to people that do.
When I got my Scuf controller is definitely helped my game a ton, it definitely helps (if you're a decent player and use it right) but its definitely not cheating, it doesn't give you a suit of armor on your player, have turbo, or give you more ammo in your magazine.
In the feet to ground CODs scufs weren't as useful but in AW and BO3 they became more useful bc being able to be high up in the air and shoot at the same time is a huge advantage over your opponent.
Cheating? No Unfair? Yes I think they're unfair because yes it's not doing anything that the game doesn't allow you to do, however for a casual gamer or even for one who plays a lot, they can do movement that we simply cannot do like they can with ease. i've tried different button layouts, tried using claw grip, and they just feel horrible, i cant get use to the buttons on a different layout, im forever pressing the wrong ones cus im so use to pressing the normal ones, claw grip i find it really hard to aim and it's not very comfy, i would like a scuf myself but i cant afford one.
I have been using the "stick and move" layout. It's not that difficult to adjust to, and I don't feel at a disadvantage when competing against players that are using a scuf. I would recommend it.
i have tried it, i feel as though the aim is not as smooth, and as easy as you obviously have to press it in, and in crucial gun fights if you feel you need to jump, your aim isnt as good, but im willing to try it again
As a claw player myself. Are Scuffs cheating? No. Are they unfair? No. Is there some sort of advantage? Yes, otherwise nobody would buy them in the first place.
+Chain Wallet Also scufs are an advantage just like kontrol freeks and headsets are. Having a good connection is an advantage. If someone calls scuf cheating well they don't comprehend that they are playing a online game which is an advantage or disadvantage in itself. An online game will never show you're 100% skill in every game so really people buy these products so they have an advantage over the unfairness of a game.
Ever since I got my scuf I haven't played a single game without it. Just because of the simple reason that I can't play without scuf anymore.. I went to a friend's house the other day and played with a normal controller and it felt shit. Once you get used to a scuf you actually step up your game quite a bit imo. It's not worth buying if you're not serious about gaming or have the money to spend. But if you actually do have the money I would say it's a great investment. One thing to note though is that the quality of the scuf isn't really like a normal controller. Things can break quite easily which is why you should be very careful when handling it..
If you can do "everything with a regular controller as you can with your Scuf", let's see YOU jumpshot without one as effortlessly as the Scuf allows you to do. It's not just about comfort and you know it. You don't spend $100+ on a controller simply because it's more comfortable in your hand. 95% of pros don't use Scufs because "they're just more comfortable." They use them because it makes jumpshotting and dropshotting easier and they WOULD NOT be able to play as well without it.
You mentioned you have a scuf for both PS4 and XB1 do you also have BO3 for XB1? Because I find that BO3 has way more aim assist on PS4 then on XB1.. its rediculous! Can you test this and maybe make a video on this?
OK this is going to get a lot of flak and please be respectful when I say this but I think that a rapid fire mod controller is not cheating let me tell you why 1. the gun will still shoot at the same max fire rate and stats will still be the same 2. If this is considered cheating then scuf might as well be because it is adding something to the controller in which u can do your self 3. it dose not make ANY weapon over powered because if the Shiva shoots at let's say 200 rpm and u don't use a rapid fire mod controller then you will shoot at 150 rpm ( human oversampling and error) as the rapid fire mod controller will let u shoot at the full 200 rpm which keeps the gun the Same 4 it takes no skill to use rapid fire controller? then by that logic it takes no skill to use a scuf. look you can fire a Shiva at full fire rate you can play clawed pls remember whether your on each side (rapid fire is cheating or is not cheating) be respectful with your comments\ debate\ discussion as you can obviously see I'm on the side its not cheating
+jesse scavotto 1. When the semi auto has a low fire rate cap with no oversampling like the Sheiva, I can see this argument because anyone can easily maintain that max fire rate with ease. The problem comes when you have a high fire rate semi-auto or a semi-auto that can be oversampled. In this case, the rapid fire controller is allowing you to do something that is literally impossible to replicate without the mod and it's circumventing a system that was put in place to keep the semi-autos more balanced (Oversampling). 2. Like I said, with a high fire rate gun with oversampling, the mod DOES allow you to do something that you can't do yourself, unlike the scuf. 3. Some modded controllers allow you to EXCEED the max fire rate using a jitter. For example, I've seen tons of clips of a brecci firing at 800+RPM because of a modded controller which is completely game breaking. 4. A rapid fire mod isn't a 1:1 input, a scuf is. With a rapid fire controller you only need to press one button to perform nearly limitless actions that are meant to require 1 button press for each action. With a scuf, it's still 1 button press per action.
+jesse scavotto it's not cheating because you use it, basically, right? if a gun is not meant to be fired at an automatic fire rate, like an M6 or a shiva, then why mad a controller to make it do so. if you cant rapidly move your finger that fast to fire then it shouldn't be as simple at holding down the freaking trigger as you would a vesper. Especially something with such high DMG and so little recoil. it's a joke and it lacks skill. This has nothing to do with scuf. it has everything to do with modded controllers that allow rapid fire features to gain an upper hand
if you look at it and say "yeah, people can play claw" but majority of people are casual players, and are used to a default layout. When those people come against someone using a scuf controller, they almost have no chance when they come across some guy that is constantly jumping, and shooting, and I know many friends that have stopped playing Black Ops 3 because of that. They really weren't such a big deal before advanced warfare came out.
People are saying it's unfair but not cheating... so by using a headset, it's unfair but not cheating? I swear, people who dislike this video can't afford a scuf.
So the answer is no it's not cheating plus you can actually customize your controller and ad nice grip to it that comes attached to the controller no grip cases off amazon
+Chevelle Garcia really now. a controller did that? I got a 4 kd with normal controller. Hell with claw I would be able to go pro wouldn't I? Damn they really need to bann these things.
I have gotten used to the "stick and move" button layout and can say it's every bit as effective as when I had my scuf. I have a 3.0 kd and don't feel at a disadvantage when competing against other players that I know are using scufs.
+Russell Bailey The only reason it is fair in competitive is that you use the scuf controller to get even with the claw players, and everyone has one. The reason it is not fair anywhere else is because people who play claw are in the minority and most players will have the controller that comes with their console.
by the same logic couldn't you argue that the rapid fire controllers are also not cheating because you can simply hold the button or push it repeatedly both still possible outcomes with either controller..
does it actually make the gun fire faster than the guns fire rate cap? Or does it just make the game think you're pushing the fire button really really fast. Cuz if that's the case, how is it cheating? Couldn't you just push the fire button really really fast
I think it's easy to become biased towards Scufs when you actually have one. I've had a Scuf since MW3 and I can't really go back in CoD to a normal controller. Do I feel it's unfair? No, it just allows me to play in a way I likely wouldn't if I didn't own one. In this game more than ever jumping and movement skill is a huge factor in how well you do, which I will agree the Scuf lets you do better, however since there are layouts to let you effectively do the same thing, I don't see how there's an argument against them
+Greer Galloway I'd like to add, if there was a way to segregate the player base into Scuf and non Scuf users, I'd be all for it. It would stop people from having the argument of unfairness, however it would not work as pretty much the entire playerbase would just say they didn't have a Scuf and it would make no difference at all.
If you can only do a certain playstyle with the scuf then it's an unfair advantage. Like people only being able to do certain things by taking steroids.
I feel like scuf controllers are cheating because it's not what the console orginally came with and gives you a advantage and helps ...why can't people just play fair with a normal controller
+ReinforcedRitter what he's saying is it's unfair to play with a none Xbox marketed controller, I say any controller that is not manufactured by Xbox should not be allowed on Xbox, I'm fine with elites but I find it unfair to have extra equipment (extra paddles, easier movement with joysticks, looser triggers for faster firing, ect).
Just bc your broke and think it's cheating bc you don't own one doesn't make it cheating cheating would be if I had god mode on fucking you in the ass online in a game over and over again and a scuf does is allow you to hit the buttons you normally would have to pick your fingers up to hit, it's an advantage but not cheating these people need to get the facts right
NsLHD i work 46 hours a week I'm far from broke, it is cheating its called pay to win as you can jump and aim at the same time something you cant do with a normal pad so you get your facts right.
+GAMER4 LIFE mod mäd/ informal verb past tense: modded; past participle: modded make modifications to; modify. "both the single-player and multiplayer games can be modded" a scuf isnt the original xbox or ps controller the controllers a taken apart and gets modified by a 3rd party company
It's still an advantage, even over other button layouts because you can input multiple commands, such as jump, look around, and reload all at the same time. The only reason these things are legal and supported is because there's tons of money to be made off of them. The only reason anyone should be using a scuf is to trickshot.
I don't see how, it only takes a few days to adjust to a new button layout in custom games, a few days of work to buy one, if your old enough, a few days to use claw but it is harder to play claw for a first time. The fourth option being asking your parents and fifth is just deal with it. 5 options to chose
For me, they aren't cheating, but they're kind of unfair. Now before I drown in sweat from Mountain Dew guzzlers ready to put my head on a stake, listen to my argument. I play with a standard controller, no different layout, no claw, and I do just fine. Lets say I buy a scuf, there will be a noticeable difference in my gameplay. The reason I find this unfair is because if you take two equal skilled players, and give one a scuf, it gives the player with the scuf an advantage in a situation that would have been 50/50. That is why I see it as unfair.
+I IS DERPY Sure, but wouldn't there be a noticeable difference in your gameplay if you just changed your button layout (and learned to jump and aim with the new layout) or learned to play claw - neither of which require paying money for a Scuf?
+THEVibeVictorians I never said that couldn't happen, I'm talking about equal skill, however, not differing skill, you are most likely much better than the people with scufs that you play against.
Ppl seem to think a SCUF is just magically going to make you win every gunfight all the time which simply isn't true. You still need to have accuracy skill even while using a Scuf to hit your target and stay on target etc. And a Scuf can't improve a player's overall skill like timing, map knowledge, predicting and reading enemies etc. Also there are CoD RU-vidrs out there who don't own or use a Scuf and are really great with regular controllers. So in conclusion anyone who bitches about Scuf just sucks at CoD or other FPS games and needs to face that fact and admit it's the truth.
You have options in you buttonlayout section called bumper jumper (tactical) so you jump with L1 (LB) and throw tacticals with X (A) or stick and move to jump by tappung your right stick and melee with X (A)
+Elco Berlemont If you play a lot and/or have the money to spend then it's up to you whether or not you think being able to jumpshot and aim comfortably is worth it.
+Elco Berlemont the quality is questionable according to a lot of reports (break quickly), and you can do exactly the same thing by switching to bumper jumper and learning that (takes 1-3 day max to learn). If you have money to waste a good headset does more for you, that should be the first choice
JCLAPP01 yes it is. It allows you to do more things at once and its not for comfort either. You can reload and jump with the pedals without letting your thumb off that analog stick.
No Scufs are completely fair. I've played using both... it doesn't impact my skill on the game what so ever, just a lot more ergonomic. I use Trigger Stops as well. They hardly give you that much of an advantage and before that I would just find the sweet spot on my trigger and and just barely move it between the button press down when using semi-auto guns. We're talking .01 ms saved time, which I know every little bit counts in CoD, but c'mon. The trigger stops aren't this Goldy amazing mod on a controller that makes it unfair. You can do the same using your base Xbox controller and just learn the sweet spot. I still use the same tactic with my Scuf. There is literally a work around for everything Scuf has, its just a nice luxury and nothing more.
I own two scuf controllers and I played without a scuf up until AW, although I do agree with many of the points you make I do feel that scuf controllers do give players a great deal of advantage over the players that do not have a scuf or scuf like controller. Reason being is because a scuf has "additional" paddles on the back that a regular controller does not. You did mention that the scuf just allows you to do things that the game developers intended for you to do in a more comfortable manner but regular controllers do not have those additional paddles. Although you can modify the button layout the regular controller will never be as good as a scuf controller because of these additional paddles that sony or microsoft initially didnt put on their controllers. The fact that you have to physically modify your controller to be able to maneuver around with ease is already an upper hand over someone who either cannot afford a scuf or make their own scuf.
If "scuff" and "claw" are equals minus the comfort, then why did you change?? I call bullshit, stop trying to deny that having a scuff does give you an unfair advantage to even the "claw" players. I play claw and will never go back bc claw is very uncomfortable and my trigger actions is a LOT more consistent using a scuff. I agree it's not cheating but don't deny you have an unfair advantage. If you disagree give your scuffs away and stay with "claw".
+Juan Hernandez How about this--fuck "fair". I absolutely detest that fucking word because it's not a real word. It's something made up by social Marxists who got this idea in their heads that things should be absolutely equal for all people (i.e. "fair"). Well, guess what? They lied! Nothing has ever been fair, and nothing ever will!
+Racing Killer GFK bumper jumper is completely comfortable to use and does exactly what a scuff would do in this case (in other games that need another button as well, like Square in destiny for reviving while aiming its a bit different), just requires you to retrain your muscle memory
rorylr i use R1 to shoot so it's way easier. L2 to jump and L1 to aim. I then shoot with R1 with my index finger. Using ripper and throwing tacticals takes time getting used to.
I always thought you were supposed to use your middle finger to shoot until my friends say I can't use a controller right. even though they can't even aim.
I honestly don't see a problem with scufs. 9 times out of 10, jumping and shooting is no different to jumping when you know an engagement is about to happen and you engage the enemy on the way down. It's just a different way of doing things. Besides, it's more satisfying outgunning a scuf user when you're using the controller that came with the console. Wouldn't matter if you had 15 fingers, being the better player will win you most gunfights regardless of the gear you have.
That's a fair evaluation. I was just speaking mostly from personal experience. The people who tend to buy these controllers often think they're better than they actually are so maybe everything evens out taking all factors into consideration!
Ideally, Sony and Microsoft would discontinue their current standard controllers and either produce as standard a controller that does what SCUF-style controllers do, or make a deal with a company like SCUF or its competitors to make such controllers as standard for the PS4 and the Xbox One. Your videos are great and have been instrumental in helping me improve my gameplay. Cheers, mate.
the game didnt intend for the player to be able to jump aim and shoot at the same time without removing a thumb from the analog, i wouldn't call it cheating, just unfair to the rest of players. They allow pro players to use them because it is a money maker...all the pros use them. actually they pretty much have to have one to compete.
+philomath369 If it didn't intend for that then why are there multiple button layouts built into the game that allow you to jump and aim at the same time without removing your thumb from the analog?
+philomath369 bumper jumper tactical allows you to do the same thing. you can jump shot and drop shot without playing claw. It swaps controls for L1 and X (or LB and A) and R3 and O (or RS and B). I play on these controls but I have never used a SCUF controller so I can't make the comparison tbh. It depends on latency too. If there is less latency with a SCUF then there's an advantage. But whether the difference in latency is monumental, I do not know. I can't imagine that there would be noticeable latency for a stock controller today.
Also, i'd go as far as to say that it changed CoD after Bo2. How many players could jumpshot effectively before that game.?Only claw players with practice could, which set them apart from the comp. When the Scuf blew up, everyone and their mother could do it. Then the series shifted from "boots on the ground" to CoD w/ jetpacks, to appeal to fans of the FPS like Halo etc.
+Steve Plays Yep; I actually really dislike AW and BO3 due to the jetpacks. They take away from the experience and make everyone just constantly jump. Literally every game, all it is is people jumping and flying; it's all air battles. Shit is lame.
You're defence of a modded controller is laughable. Scuf controllers are nothing more than a third party modded controller DESIGNED to give you an advantage over the average player. Thats what they are. If they weren't for that, why would you buy one? Jumping and aiming at the same time in a game like this gives you a huge advantage. And yes, you can technically move your controls around, but the bottom line is you still have 2 extra buttons at your disposal. 2 extra buttons = distinct advantage. Technically if I trained myself to play claw, I could do the same. But what if i trained myself to YY and shoot (which is what rapid fire mods are)? Would that make a rapid fire modded controller fair? No. it wouldnt. This video is nonsense. I'm just going to get a mouse and keyboard and jump while aiming, and benefit from mouse precision and aim assist. According to the logic presented in this video, that's fine, right?
Potato Well then I guess we should be YYing to shorten our reload... That's a glitch, right? ***** Yea and normally no one can have 2 extra fingers hovering over buttons. When I say 2 extra buttons, I mean 2 buttons readily available to you that your fingers hover over.
***** So I have to train myself to hold the controller differently. This argument was covered in my original comment (See: learning and training myself to YY for rapid fire)
***** Jitter mods technically take advantage of mechanics present in the game. If it's possible in game with "training" like changing your grip, then there is no difference. What about the mouse and keyboard point? Would you be ok with that? Technically it's not taking advantage of a glitch or anything, so fair game right?
I guess a better question is whether they're unfair anymore.The developer clearly saw the need to level the playing field by adding the stick'n move / bumper jumper to the control scheme. The Scuf removed the skill gap from players who could play claw effectively. Certain features like the trigger stops give a considerable adv over players w/ similar "trigger finger" speeds. MLG is sponsored by Scuf btw. Overall, people were paying for an advantage before the devs added the features to level the playing field. Now, it is more like paying so you're not at a (slight) disadvantage again similarly skilled players (esp in the pro / comp scene). Same w/ headsets.
If you're on PS4 you can just remap X with a different button (I set it to R2). This allows you to jump and shoot and gives more customization options than the dedicated button layouts.
GullibleCraig Cool, that's fine then as I have a seperate account for COD only! I use bumper jumper, but there are one or two things I would like to change! Thanks
Ace, you forgot about the trigger stops! (On Xbox). It's not just the fact that you can do the same stuff without a scuf than with, it's the fact that you can easily pick up a scuf and jumpshot people all day long. However on bumper jumper or etc. It's not that easy. After the painstaking process of relearning the controls, I quickly found that using bumper jumper tactical renders tactical grenades completely useless, you can't aim them! It's the same with a simple melee/gun butt, you just can't do it quickly enough! Also, with the pro players using scufs ( I know there are a few exceptions), they are on a completely level playing field. Due to this the only thing that separates pro players are their gun skill and teamwork. On the other hand, in public matches, this is not the case. Parties of people often win games right? This is probably due to teamwork (especially in SnD). The other factor not explored here is gun skill. This is where the scuf hinders the user a huge advantage!
Well, what I think about the scuff controllers is that there isn't much difference between a scuff and a normal controller because they allow you to jump, aim and shoot at the same time and that is exactly what you can do by a normal controller having the layout, Stick and Move. I don't have a scuff but I turn my controller into a scuffed one by just changing the layout and that helps me a lot in COD but as said in the video that scuff can allow you to do these actions a bit more comfortably but for me the normal controller is comfortable.
On hindsight, the only unfair thing is that people spend $150 on a controller when in a world where children are starving and you can replicate the effects of a Scuf for free just by changing your layout, lol