Are Steam Tanks (both versions) Any Good in Patch 5.1? - Empire Unit Focus

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Let's take a good look at the new version of the Steam Tanks disassociated from mount options and including both the regular Cannon version and the Helblaster Volley Gun version. They're great units, not invincible, but very hardy when used properly, and they bring a lot of ammo, so skirmish wisely and well!
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Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires, Thrones of Decay DLC Patch 5.1!

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@josephdoria5237 19 дней назад

I didn’t realize just how tanky fully-upgraded steam tanks were to missile fire now until I fought 3 stacks of Dark Elves with them.

@OffToBattle 19 дней назад

Yeah, and against Dark Elves you really need it.

@scrapinator8910 19 дней назад

Your consistency with these quality deep dives is impressive.

@OffToBattle 18 дней назад

I try. It's always helpful when I have more experience with a given unit of course.

@Mortarion-xt9wp 18 дней назад

8:42 the pigeons are alive!! I am not sacrificing poor birds to tickle my enemies!

@OffToBattle 18 дней назад

Birds produce fearsome devastation in that Vampire Survivors game...

@Mortarion-xt9wp 18 дней назад

Thanks true. But the VS birds are mechanical (or at least look mechanical) and bombard the enemy from afar. In Warhammer we throw pigeons tethered to explosives at the opposing army. Or at least we do on the tabletop. To be honest I think VS lacks replayability in the long run. Once you unlock every character, find all the weapon combinations and upgrade all your skills it just becomes repetitive. That being said: white bird or black bird?

@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll 19 дней назад

"Oh-hohohoho, no - I said steamed tanks!" "Uh-huh. And you call them steamed despite the fact that they're obviously grilled?"

@mohussain4792 10 дней назад

"Uh it's an ostermark expression"

@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll День назад

One of the most broken things you can do in post-ToD WH3 is research “Machines of the Empire” on turn 1. It takes some diplomatic trickery (joining wars, non-aggression pacts etc) to scrounge together the 7500 gold but it is most certainly doable. The research takes 1 turn so on turn 2 you’ll have instant access to the Emperor’s Wrath tank which can pretty much solo armies for you - especially as Elspeth since your early game enemies are Vampire Counts and it will just annihilate blobs of them in melee while taking next to no damage.

@OffToBattle 23 часа назад

That's... very interesting.

@vjetty 5 дней назад

The steam tank renaissance is upon us! 🎉

@OffToBattle 4 дня назад

Oh yes I'm all for that.

@littlecoldhands 19 дней назад

6:14 I actually use them as full time brawlers against infantry heavy armies. One tank(ONE!) is the only unit you need in such cases.

@OffToBattle 19 дней назад

Well it's absolutely possible to do that ^^ If you're making it work, fantastic.

@re1v3r 17 дней назад

Solid video, no cap

@OffToBattle 17 дней назад

Thanks.

@really1337 19 дней назад

Yeah they're crazy useful. I feel like the volley gun though is a pretty big step down. I exhaust the ammo way too quickly if you can believe that. I don't mean against just chaff either. It's anecdotal, but the regular cannon seems strictly better when I look at stats post battle. Also is the steam tanks spinning around when you're not manually assigning targets still a thing? That was driving me nuts when the Thrones dlc dropped.

@OffToBattle 19 дней назад

Not sure, re the spinning around. I wasn't seeing it in these demo battles. As for the other part, I am not surprised the volley guns seem like that in end-of-battle results. The big advantage of the volley guns is that they inflict more damage in a shorter period of time... so it's a matter of "when" the damage is inflicted more than "how much" as a comprehensive total. I think that's where people think they're bad. Now if that advantage is meaningless in the composition you're running, then there's no reason to take volley guns. Fair enough, the regular version is very strong.

@kirillrivkin4842 19 дней назад

I don't mean to be ungrateful- overall the Steam Tanks got a massive buff, especially with blocking 70% of missile fire from the front. And their absurdly low MD was doubled to 20. But I feel that they were debuffed again in 5.1, since their damage used to be 300. I would really love for CA to give them 300 weapon strength back with 20 anti-infantry bonus. I also miss their old ramming animations- they made the tank a much stronger melee combatants. And while I get that Steam Tanks are designed with chariot-like qualities in mind, making them a little bit stronger in melee just gives the Empire minimal Melee monster element, which it is completely missing otherwise. I know that asking for MD of 30 would be sacrilegious, so I would be super happy with 25 😢

@pablonunalvares5391 19 дней назад

Since these tanks are strong with ammo, even stronger without them (as heavy duty chariots), the volley gun's rapid wastage of bullets is not a bug, but a feature. Use them to flank and they'll pay better than cannons, they rip through infrantry with side shots, also, we're talking about a 10/10 accuracy at full range. charge cav and shoot them on the back when they try to run away to charge back. It'll pay swiftly. I used to think Volley guns were crap until i decided to find a 45º placement and it raked so many kills that i had to keep at least one in my teams (with halberdier's backing, of course). When i saw the tank version, i loved it, easier to get to the flanks and blast lines upon lines to pieces. Oh, always use the guard instance when trying it as units will do what they can to keep formation and the blobs of infantry pushing will give tanks a higher value...

@OffToBattle 18 дней назад

@@pablonunalvares5391 Sounds like you hit the sweet spot for using that variant. Congrats. No doubt it just clashes with some people's style, and that's fine, Empire is the ultimate "do what you want" faction. Except field wipe-the-battle-clean infantry, of course. That would be silly.

@kirillrivkin4842 19 дней назад

Steam Tanks got a massive buff in patch 5.0. 70% block chance for missiles from the front is huge, and I appreciate the doubling of ridiculously low MD to 20. However, I do still hope that CA can improve Steam Tanks a little bit. Their Weapon Strength was reduced from 300 in 5.0 to 250 in 5.1. I actually do miss their ramming animations, because they seemed to inflict more damage than Steam Tank currently does. I hope that Steam Tanks can get 20 bonus vs infantry and have their MD increased at least to 25. I understand CAs desire to give Steam Tanks chariot-like qualities, but STs are the only version of Melee Monster that Empire gets, and it would just be super unfair to debuff them into the ground. I dont think these changes will make them overpowered. Most factioms have multiple counters that can easily defeat them. And as always, their campaign buffs are absolutely gamebreaking.

@OffToBattle 19 дней назад

Yeah, I remembered your arguments and I even put this in my 'Monsters' playlist because they are definitely the Empire's closest thing to one. Also those reports of spinning in place sound annoying. That said, hm, they wanted to differentiate from Chaos Dwarf stuff again.. by putting melee downward? Because I did remember this having WS 300 like Iron Daemons?

@Wanderer-nw2so 16 дней назад

@@OffToBattle I still wonder why the steam doesn't push the enemies back at least somewhat and where is the burnt contact effect? I know it's on the Emperor's wrath but still, if you get subjected to Steam you will get a burn no matter how tough your skin is and if anything should also cause blindness which should also be above the enemies attack speed and damage if anything too.

@OffToBattle 16 дней назад

@@Wanderer-nw2so No doubt they just didn't think it through when taking away the ramming attack.

@Canuovea 19 дней назад

Just rolling down the line. Fantastic. Yes, they're very good for sure. Take a while to get, though.

@andriosgustav5578 19 дней назад

@@Canuovea there is a way to get to them early on. Dunno if this is already patched, but other than carl, other lords such as gelt and espelth can get them within 5-10 turns depending on your income or cash gain. Cause the empire specific units can now br rrsearch the war machines of the empire. You will get the emperors wrath variant and you can get them for 7500, and instantlt recruit for 2400, that means if you have 9900 gold, you can research it for 1 turn, then insta recruit in the next, giving you a tank instantly, and a new tank every 8-15 turns depending on your prestige. This means that as early as turn 25, you can theoretically get 3 tanks in your army. I only did this for normal difficulty tho.

@Canuovea 18 дней назад

@@andriosgustav5578 And Elspeth gets them pretty early since I think the Nuln Landmark unlocks the Elector Count one too.

@masaheimoi 19 дней назад

I like to use some of them as my frontline in gun and artillery army. Compared to halbediers or greatseords they might be worse in melee, but they do everything else so much beater. They are much beater against missiles, and with technology same with artillery. You can heal them with life magic, so after battle you can have your frontline in full health. Having some missile power is beater than what halbedeers or greatswords can do. And last reason is that if enemy does manage to go into melee against them your own guns and artillery can help shooting the meanies much more easily and with less friendly fire compared to infantry.

@OffToBattle 19 дней назад

That's one way people "tried" to use them in TWW2, but the directional armor makes them dramatically better now (that and the ranged meta being broken up a little). So I'm really glad people are able to build around them. You do need the appropriate firepower to clean things off around them.

@p.p.wienersson 19 дней назад

Until CA fixes the bug where the tanks spin around they are just not worth the cost

@OffToBattle 19 дней назад

That's still happening huh?

@VainEldritch 19 дней назад

I've not noticed that? Can you elaborate? I usually grab the early tec with Elspeth and have the Emperor's Wrath as a frontline brawler to mow down 700+ enemy infantry engaged with my frontline Halberdiers. Works like a charm - never noticed "spinning" and the thing easily kills as many if not more than the starting Hellstorm...

@p.p.wienersson 19 дней назад

@@VainEldritch unless you have them in melee or targeted on a specific unit for ranged fire they will turn showing their ass to the enemy making significantly less tank. So you cant just have them firing at will or they will get wrecked. Yes it’s easily avoidable but it shouldn’t be happening. It also happened with the landships to a lesser degree

@OffToBattle 18 дней назад

@@VainEldritch I didn't notice it either but people said it was a bug elsewhere in comments on this video. Shrug. If I don't see it myself it's hard to say.

@GutsOfRivia 19 дней назад

I wonder how good the Nuln Elector Count Troop version is with all the Franz buffs he gives elector units.

@OffToBattle 19 дней назад

No doubt it's quite strong.

@GutsOfRivia 19 дней назад

@@OffToBattle I forgot whats diffrent about the elector count version other than extra stats.

@memedaddy6932 19 дней назад

@@GutsOfRivia It has 'burnt!' (-8 leadership) contact effect and a steam explosion ability. I wish it used a flame cannon shot instead of a regular cannon shot, just because it would look cool.

@GutsOfRivia 19 дней назад

@@memedaddy6932 Yea I prefer the SFO mod version where it can switch between solid shot and explosive shells.