Are the Lebanese people Phoenicians or Arabs? | هل اللبنانيون من أصل فينيقي او عربي؟ 

We've all had this debate...Whether at a dinner or on r/lebanon let us know in the comments below what you think!

My favorite comments are the "Arabs" telling Lebanese that being Phoenician is a myth. What is an Arab? No one knows.

The Lebanese are definitely the descendants the ancients Canaanites- known to the Greeks as the Phoenicians.

I am a Lebanese Citizen of muslim background who took a DNA test and got 90% indigenous to Lebanon and no arab DNA

اللبناني يتسائل يقول إحنا مين : مبدئيا ٤٠% من سكان لبنان تقريبا من أصول أوروبية أو أصل مختلط أوروبي و يتجلى ذلك في لون البشرة و الملامح و الشعر الأشقر و العين الزرقاء ، بقية لبنان هم خليط بين عرب و عثمانيين (أوروبيين شرقيين و أتراك و عرب مختلطين و الخليط بين ذلك) و أقليات فارسية و أنساب مختلفة و بعض القبائل العربية الإسماعيلة التي أتت بعد الإسلام و أقليات قليلة جدا لا تكاد تذكر من القبائل العبرانية أو اليمنية التي بقيت في لبنان و صمدت كالفينيقيين و غيرهم

THAT’S MY FAVORITE TOPIC THANK YOU! 🥺😂

للاسف القباءل الاوروبية العايشة بيننا في العالم العربي و الاتراك داءما يحاولو يسلخونا عن هويتنا العربية بايعاز من الغرب لنفقد ثقتنا في انفسنا و ننشق عن محيطنا العربي و يكون اختراقنا سهل و احتلالنا سهل و هذا هو اللي حاصل و لبنان المستهدف الاول.

Hello from across the sea! 🌊 🇨🇾 I ended up viewing this video as I met a Lebanese dude that insisted that "we're not Arab, we're Maronite". There are native Maronites in Cyprus using their Arabic language mostly in Church and when some distant relative come from abroad. They mostly speak Greek as they should, as I should speak Arabic if I were living in Lebanon (without forgetting my Greek). In my view, this identity attachment is very harmful to any society. I can see it in the politics here in Cyprus where we were led in a conflict with our Turkish-Cypriot brothers and I see it in Lebanon were the national-religious identities f*-uped the system with corruption. I despise the separation of people by identity. Let's not forget that this is what colonial powers used to manipulate us (and even their own citizens) to control. When there's no divide, there's no conquer!

Thank you. As a foreigner, I've often been puzzled to hear Lebanese in my country telling they were Phoenician. I never understood this

There are a few inaccuracies. Lebanese cities (Tripoli for example) were very prominent thorough history and dominated Levantine trade. Phoenician culture and language does still exist in Lebanese Arabic and Lebanese clothing. The Labbade, is Phoenician headwear we inherited. Our DNA is indeed Phoenician (although Bronze age Phoenicians differ from the original Canaanites). Now, I am not a Phoenicianist, notice that I said Lebanese Arabic, and I agree that our identity is a moot point at this point. That said I think we should be proud to be the heirs of Phoenicia, without necessarily identifying as it is. In the end, I think we are all Lebanese.

Great content.

الحكي صح لأنو ما كان في كهربا، و طولو بالكن شوي بعد لأن راح نقول نحنا سعادين

it s a good question ,with the worst answer honestly, because it s a point view, not based on any facts.. so lets brake it down, it s true the Phoenicians were 2 thousands years ago (AND MOST OF OUR CURRENT CULTURE IS DERIVED FROM THAT ERA), and thi name was called on the 'Lebanese people' by the Gree.. , but since that point the lebanese people (not land) were never occupied by force nor other s culture were forced on them. until late 13th century we were in the crusade era, and i guess if i speak about the maradites of jhon maron from 7th century to that that point, you ll say am an extremest while it s just historical facts, that am not giving my point of view nor analyzing .. from 14th to 16th/17th centuries, it was the influence of the Arabs on Lebanon, but that haven't change the culture that already existed nor the language nor religion (since Lebanese used to study many languages, and in those centuries people spoke purely syriac or aramaic)... and after that the ottoman culture came and influence the area as well, probably more than the arab culture did, so eventually following this guy's logic we should be turkish somehow ?! and as for the language, Lebanese language is a mix of arabic and syriac and a bit of canaanite, and since arabic in the first place is influenced by aramaic ( similar to syriac) so technicaly Lebanese language is independent and not a dialect, and there is a lot of scientific studies that shows that based on AI learning method for detecting languages... I do agree with one thing he said, our ethnicity or race wont put food on the table, BUT at least dont claim something and declare it based on facts that doesnt exist. AND WITH DO ALL RESPECT TO ANY CULTURE, RACE, ETHNICITY MENTIONED.

Why do we care about some 2000 year old shit instead of planing for a better future

هيدا رأي من الجبل. ياريت نسأل حدا من صور مثلاً اذا في شي مستمر ولا لاء. بالنسبة للغة، الابجدية الفينيقة صارت عربي وعبري ولاتيني بعد الميلاد. وبدل صور المدينة المقدسة صارت انطاكيا و الاسكندرية بعد الاسكندر. وكل شي قبل الاوليمبوس يدل على أن أثينا و روما قاموا وأبدعوا على ما تبقى من فينيقيا/كنعان. هيرودوت يقول أنه زار صور وسأل الكهنة عن زمن بناء هذا المعبد (Melqart) ملكارت أو ما معناه بالعربية ملك الأرض! جاوبه الكهنة أنه بني مع بناء هذه المدينة أي قبل ٢٣٠٠ عام، من زمن هيرودوت ٥٠٠ قبل الميلاد. أي منذ حوالي ٤٠٠٠-٥٠٠٠ سنة. أشعر بالمسؤولية كوني ابن الارض التي قامت عليها الحضارات الإنسانية، إنه إرثي الثقافي الحضاري عالمي. بغض النظر إنو مش حتجي الكهربا طالما الناس مش عمتعرف شو قوة حقوقها. انا لبناني. بفتخر بحضارتي واللي قدمته للإنسانية. و بتعلمه و بعلمه للأجيال الجاية. كل المنطقة صارت تحكي عربي. بالنهاية نفس الإنسان. واحد. لنتعلم بتجي الكهرباء. وطالما مجرمي الحرب الأهلية موجودون بدون أي عقاب أو خجل بل بكل تبجح و وقاحة يطالبون ويسعون لإدارة لبنان يعد كل ما فعلوه. وأيضاً معطلين ومدمرين للمستقبل الذي هو ملك أطفالنا مش ملكهم. تفجير مرفأ بيروت كان تدمير حلمي، حلم حياتي اللي خلاني اترك بلدي بعمر ١٧ لإدرس هندسة إدارة النقل البحري والمرافئ. حلمي كان أن أحول مرفأ بيروت ولبنان إلى أفضل ميناء بالمتوسط. هي الحكومات مش بس دمرت البلد والشعب، دمرت الحلم بالمستقبل. هيدا الإنحلال. على كلّ الأحوال، كل حدا حرً برأيه، بس نفكّر و نسمع ونحترم بعضنا حتى لو ما فهمنا، منبطل نقتل بعض. وبالنسبة إلي عدوي الجهل مش الإنسان اللي مش متلي. تشيييرز! حلوين كتير btw

My great grandma came from Ottoman syria (in the area that later became Lebanon) and was in no way Arabic or Lebanese. Are you going to tell me that I am part Lebanese and/or arabic?

I don't think he addressed the issue. To refute an ethnical claim, which may be reasonable, may be accepted if an alternative is provided. What is an Arab? And what makes someone an Arab? Language? Well, I speak English. Does that make me English or British? Some say culture. What is Arab culture? The claims that there are things in common are more forced correlations or have some relevance in today's day and age because it was an enforced culture due to the political structure that is pro-Arabism and suppresses other identities/cultures. If I am (or other similar people) an Arab, why is it whenever I am in Arabia (the actual place and home of the ethnicity), the first question they ask me is "where are you from?".

Even in the bible it talks about even back then the Phoenician were very good business people and craftsman....so let me say the Lebanese are the smartest business people in the world by far and moreover many people from all cultures say this, they became so proud and full of themselves that God brought them down in those days in Tyre and said they will never rise up again to be of the same power that they were......we are a unique people that makes the ground tremble if we want....

Where do Phoenicians originate from before settlements in the Mediterranean?

Fun fact: the Dabke originated from Phoenicia

سكان الساحل الشرقي للبحرالأبيض المتوسط (غرب سوريا، لبنان، فلسطين) كانوا يسموا أنفسهم كنعانيين، ولم يحصل أبدا أن سموا أنفسهم "فنيقيين." كلمة "فنيقي" إخترعها الرحالة اليوناني هيرودوتس في وقت لاحق متأخر، ومعناها "بلون الدم" كترجمة منه لكلمة "كنعاني" اللتي تعني "أرجواني" نسبة الى الصبغة الأرجوانية اللتي أخترعها سكان ساحل بلاد الشام من صدف البحر اللغة اليونانية في ذلك الوقت لم يكن فيها كلمة "أرجواني" لتدل على الترجمة الصحيحة لكلمة "كنعان" أي "أرجواني". وحتى الرحالة والمهاجرين الكنعانيين حول شواطيء البحرالمتوسط مثل كارثيج (تشويه لكلمتي "قرية جديدة") على ساحل تونس كانوا يسمون أنفسهم كنعانيين، وهي منقوشة على مقابرهم في تونس ليومنا هذا، وحنا بعل لم يُعرف نفسه بأية صفة غيرأنه "كنعاني" كلمة "فنيقي" و "فينيقيا" تعممت فيما بعد في المجتمع اليوناني ثم الروماني. وعند إستعماراليونان والرومان لبلاد كنعان وخاصة بعد نشرالمسيحية على بلاد الشام، تبنى مسيحيي ساحل الشام هذيين الكلمتين لوصف أنفسهم لسببين. أولا عقدة نقص في تعاملهم مع المستعمراليوناني ثم الروماني وتبني أعمى وسخيف لتعابيره ومفرداته لتعريف أنفسهم، وثانيا أن كتب اليهود ثم المسيحية شيطنت الكنعانيين وإسمهم وحضارتهم وأصلهم وجعلتهم أعداء في جوهراليهودية والمسيحية، على الرغم من أن كنعانيو جنوب فلسطين هم أول من أخترع ألأحرف المكتوبة اللتي أصبحت فيما بعد أحرف كل لغات أوروبا وأمريكا الشمالية والجنوبية وأستراليا، وعلى الرغم من أن "ألهة اليونان" كانت سرقة وتقليد لآلهة كنعان وعلى الرغم من أن الكثيرمن خرافات وحتى النصوص في العهد القديم كانت سرقة وتقليد لخرافات ونصوص الديانات الكنعانية

A lot of people of people think also that the modern "arabic" culture that a lot of people claim Lebanese themselves identify with was created by Arabs from the peninsula, which was not. Modern "Arabic" culture was created by Lebanese Maronites and Lebanese Melkites. The Arabs from the peninsula stopped creating anything except commentaries on Islamic books after the Mongols invaded in 1250AD. Im stating facts here not trying to degrade any culture, but to inform with facts. The Nahda was initiated by the Lebanese Maronites and Lebanese Melkites cultured class of Lebanon, who decided to start speaking Arabic for political and economic reasons around 1600 AD. Since then they have created the first printing press in Arabic, first modern university in the Middle East, the two most famous folk tales in Arabic: Aladdin and Ali Baba and the Forty Theives, the first literary society in Arabic, first literary and scientific periodical, first modern Arabic encyclopedia, first modern dictionary in Arabic, first novels in Arabic, first historical novel in Arabic, first translations of European novels and plays into Arabic, first Arabic typewriter, first scientific journal in Arabic, first modern theatre in Arabic, the biggest and most influential newspaper in Arabic today. In fact the main developer of the Standard Modern Arabic that is taught in school today was developed by a Lebanese. In music, almost all the most famous female singers in Arabic are Lebanese as well as almost all of the famous composers. In dance, it was a Lebanese, Badia Masabni, who invented the modern belly dance and the belly dance costume (the badlah). In Cinema, some of the best movies in Arabic have been directed by two Lebanese directors. In cuisine- what people think is "Arab/Middle Eastern" food when they go to a middle eastern restaurant around the world is actually Lebanese cuisine. So people that identify as Arab linguistically and culturally should not forget that most modern contributions to the "Arabic language" and the "Arabic culture" in modern times after 1500 AD has come from the Lebanese. If we look at it objectively "Arabism" is just a political ideology, since the modern culture has certainly not been created by Arabs from the peninsula. Modern "Arabic" culture is more like modern Phoenician/Cannanite culture created in Arabic. Again, just stating facts.

I'm pretty sure we are a mix of many civilizations because we don't really look like Arabic people. For example I'm 100% Lebanese but everyone I meet doesn't believe me when I tell them that I'm from Lebanon. Anyway, I think this topic is interesting because it helps us understand who we are but people shouldn't use it to hide their origins or be ashamed of them.

Phoenicians stopped speaking the Phoenician language way way before the Arabs invaded. They were speaking Aramaic already by 650 BC and its attested that the Canaanite/Phoenician kings were already using Aramaic to communicate with the Egyptian pharaohs by 600 BC. Does that mean that the Phoenicians were Arameans then in 650 BC? The Phoenicians were then speaking Aramaic, Greek and Latin by the year 65 AD, just like the Jews did as well and did so all the way until 700 AD. Did that make them Arameans, Greeks and Romans? Arabic started being spoken in Canaan/Phoenicia way way way after the Arabs were there from 700 to 1050 AD. Everyone spoke western Aramaic/Syriac until 1650 AD and it was only then that they willingly started speaking Arabic for two sole political reasons: 1) nobody spoke syriac aramaic anymore so, being a tiny population, they were isolating themselves 2) they wanted to bring down the Ottoman Empire and for that the whole area needed to come together under one language and fight cultural turkification.

Stupid statements by that man. We're Phoenician. Our legacy LIVES ON in the writing system that we use and gave to the world, and the one I'm writing in right now. In the language we speak--many old Phoenician words in Lebanese Arabic. And in OUR DNA! That's important. Ancestry matters. History matters. We ought to respect that.

معو حق 100% من وين جايبين هل كلام قال نحنا فينيقيين 😂😂😂

You seem to fundamentally misunderstand the claim. "Lebanese are the descendants of Phoenicians" is a political claim made about the future, not the past and there's no scientific "right" or "wrong" answer to it.

العربيه هي لغة وثقافة فقط وليست عرق

تحية حارة من أرض السويد الباردة

Pheonisians were mostly canneites Lebanese are from a multi ethnic groups

هم كنعانيون..

Phoenicians was the translation by the Greeks of the name Canaanites

عادي، بعض المصريين اصحاب الجنسيات الأوروبية بيعتبروا نفسهم فراعنة 😂 مش عرب خاصة بعد الهزائم العسكرية لمشروع القوميه القديم .. مش مهم كثير هيا لا فينيقيه ولا لبنانيه هي فرنسية عندها ازمه هوية ومش مرتاحه لأي ارتباط مع هوية عربية معقدة. تنام عالجنب اللي يريحها.. ما فارقه. ما في اريح للبال لشخص في ازمه من انه يحدث انتقال من هوية معقدة عربيه.. الا هوية ميته ما يربط فيها غير حمض نووي.. انتقال ينهي اي التزامات اجتماعية او ثقافيه.

يا خي بلا نفاق ووهم نحن اللبنانية شو منحكي عربي او فينيقي؟ بلا محن علينا

I totally respect and appreciate the effort of bringing people together... But to b honest , And this would bring more people together from all religions and it's only pure factual data. You don't need to research hard to find that.... - traditions are still mostly Phoenicians.. zajal,,, food,,, marriages,, agriculture,, architecture.. specific old rituals not related to any religion... -the names of the towns still the same linked down to us from direct continuous people. - Phoenicians didn't just live on d sea side.. they lived on and treated the mountains for agriculture and had giant temples on the mountains.... Bekaa valley and Baalbek are 800 m above sea level not to mention that they used also the mountains in hard war times to send their families for protection -the months of the year ... -arabic itself is from Phoenician.. check it out... B the letter is bet means house.. d is Delf ... Alef etc... This heritage is still d most dominant till today but we just don't know it... Either we are christians or musllims... This heritage can bring us together... Instead of neglecting it totally... It's not normal to neglect it totally...

Yes, we are descendants of Phoenicians. Both christians and muslims share a majority of their DNA with ancient phoenicians. Now culture wise, we are a mix of Southern european and arabs. Our culture is very similar to certain cultures of southern europe, mainly due to our religious diversity and our close cultural attachment to France. This creates a unique culture that is at once European and arab, and we should embrace our uniqueness. However, language and culture do not define DNA. Both arabic and french are colonial languages to us. A lebanese whose first language is arab is not descendant of arabs, anymore than a lebanese whose first language is french descendant of french. Phoenicianism is a way to unite all the different communities of Lebanon and look at what we have in common to achieve a common future, instead of focusing on our differences.

lebanese are more lighter than arab gulf hands down. it is a fact

Sara7a ktir betsakhif mwadi3 mhemmeh...eh lamma n2arrir chu hawiyetna bi lebnen se3eta mna3ref kif menjib kahraba w gher 2mour mechkletna b lebnen mich 3arfin hawiyetna nes badoun ykouno 3arab bas kermel eno l din eslemeh 3arabeh w nes bada terja3 lal ousoul yalli hiyeh ken3anieh....kil chi 3adat w ta2alid tlet rbe3a ken3anieh bil nesbeh lal continuity li 3am te7keh 3anna ... mn l awal l2itak je2je2 w t2il l dam

I mean culturally speaking we have a lot of cultural similarities to Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians and those people are considered arab so we should be considered arabs. Its important to remember arabs are a broad category and Levantine arabs, gulf arabs and maghrebi arabs have many differences, but we as Lebanese people belong to that broad group of Arabs. (Specifically levantine arabs)

بلا هبل عنجد هيدا تخلف انا لبنانية عربية و بفتخر قال فينيقي قال

I agree tha DNA has nothing to do with who we are today, but our culture, food, language and also our arabic shades are purely derived from Canaanite origins. Our mother language today, or Lebanese slang uses purely Canaanite vowels, meaning that when we speak letters in arabic that contain غ، ث، ذ, ظ، ض، we pronounce them with the closest Phoenician letters. For example most of us we dokt say ثعلب، but we pronounce it on the dialect تعلب او سعلب. However, I also agree that many are lazy and claim to be Phoenician, but a Phoenician state does not exist politically, but it's rather an award and an example of success not only for Lebanese, but to many people around the Mediterranean and the world.

انا لغتي

Im greek rum orthdox ❤......

yes but those you talked about consists of political situations, youre politically arab, youre nationality is lebanese, i identify as a lebanese not arab (because my dna showed that im not) your ethnicity is far more important. what i mean a large portion of lebanese has a 4000 years of phoenician ancestry and you cant deny it, the thing is you dont speak phoenician because it died after countless of wars in the same region, ottomans gave you the arabic language you speak and was shaped the way it is after many many years. the point is when you get colonised by multiple nations your identity gets distorted yes but we should embrace and be proud of what our ancestors did, i will refuse to be called arab because the language we speak isnt fully arabic if you wanna debate this i can show you a video of an expert explaining this berrer. arabic was influenced by 3 languages which is phoenician, aramic and hebrew and we also borrow alot of words from other languages and make sound our own, and the way we pronounce things are very different that arabic because we say them the way they were said in much older ancient language than arabic and you know what i mean, being arab is also a new thing since when the ottomans lost the warn france and britain reshaped those countries once the ottomans ruled and thus the middle east was born and they called them arabs because it became a common language after the ottomans forced people to speak yes you were forced tp forget your language and speak arabic, if you want to be arab no one is stopping you but you cant deny that the entire levant region were never arabs

المشكله انو اغلب موارنه اصلهم سوري شو خصهم في فينقين وملامحهم عربيه اكتر 😂

This is pretty much the case with the rest of the levant too, we are mixed with all kinds of empires and cultures. It's extremely hard to define our people.

ولاكن الفنقيين نفسهم هم كنعانيين عرب اول من هاجر من اليمن واستقرتء بلارضاي الساحليه

كثير من النقاش ممكن ان ينعكس على الحالة العراقية

الفنيقيون ليسوا عرب

lebanese people is mostly like european and mediterranean different from egyptians or arabs

العرب والفينيقيين هم قومية واحدة لكن اختلفت لهجاتهم ولغتهم لكن الدم واحد

speaking about a lack of continuity with the phoenicians/canaanites is wrong since we know so little about this civilization compared to other civilizations, also I would love if you could send us your sources.

الفينقيين عرب اصولهم من سواحل الخليج العربي وبحر العرب نقل هذا عنهم هيرودوت ابو التاريخ 425 ق.م ونقله هيرودوت ايضا عن جيرانهم الفرس وسترابو 64 ق.م نقل هذا عن اهل البحرين وكل مؤرخين العرب يجمعون على عروبة الفينقيين و القديس هيولتس في القرن الثاني الميلادي يذكر ان الفينقيين من العرب السراسين وبالمناسبة السراسيين كان يسميهم الرومان البربر وهذا رد على خرافة ان الامازيغ هم سكان المغرب الاصليين وحتى علم الآثار اليوم اكد ان الفينقيين عرب ففي تقارير العالم الفرنسي الخبير في الآثار جان فرانسوا سال الذي أجرى مع فريقه حفريات واسعة في جزيرة "فيلكا" الكويتية سنة 1983، أن الحضارة المعروفة باسم حضارة "ديلمون" التي سادت في الكويت والبحرين وقطر وسائر الموانئ الدافئة على الساحل العربي للخليج بين سنة 3000 وسنة 1500 قبل الميلاد، هي حضارة فينيقية مائة في المائة! وقد تم اكتشاف آثار ناطقة في تلك المدن والمرافئ، وما يليها من الصحارى والجزر المتاخمة لها، هي صور طبق الأصل عن آثار جبيل (بيبلوس) وصور وصيدا (صيدون القديمة) وبيروت ورأس شمرا وأوغاريت وجزيرة أرواد وعكا وجبل الكرمل. كما أن بعثة العلماء الدانماركيين التي أجرت هي أيضاً حفريات مهمة في جزيرة "فيلكا" ابتداء من سنة 1958 كانت قد نوّهت منذ العام 1963 بالشبه الخارق بين آثار حضارة "ديلمون" وآثار فينيقيا. ويكاد معظم خبراء الآثار الذين دأبوا على التنقيب في إمارات الخليج يجمعون على أن الكتابات المكتشفة في تلك المناطق تشبه الى حد بعيد الكتابات الفينيقية القديمة المكتشفة على سواحل الشام، وأهمها حروف الأبجدية المحفورة على ناووس الملك أحيرام في مدينة جبيل والعائد الى القرن الثالث عشر ق.م بعد كل هذه الأدلة يأتي زعطوط يقول ليسوا عرب سلامات

It doesn't mean nothing, the fact you pollute the sea isn't an excuse. You are Phoenician descendant. You aren't a trader? What's the problem? The genetics has to do with the work you do?

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Lebanon is Phoenician.

الفينيقيين هم كنعانيون ساميون من صلب سام بن نوح قدموا من المشرق العربي ، و ربطهم الطبري بالعماليق او العمالقة من العرب البائدة

Who is the guy that has answered the concerned gentleman’s question? I would very much like to know, if possible have a phone call of five minutes. Let me now tell you why your explanation is dumb: 1- Relationship with the beach? Weird one. 2.1- You might know that the natural evolution of most trading cities goes toward financial services centres (the city of London, Monaco, San Marino to name a few) now the how and why are longer to explain but one reason is that finance was partly created for trade (insurance and loans) another is the mentality and culture of such people; low effort high reward, crookery… Now although Lebanon’s shame is it’s financial institutions forget not their role and past glory as well as the fact that they still constitutes the majority of our economy. 2.2- The rentier economy of our country is proof of that Phoenician heritage; low output high reward. The numbers behind your mouzare3 to tojjar ratios are very doubtful and of course meaningless in dollar amount. 2.2.1- if you think that the fertile lands of the bekaa were not arable and used in Phoenician time by the canaanites (Lebanese ancestors, the main ethnicity of the Phoenicians) then you probably aren’t very clever. And those continuously inhabited cities of our coast weren’t created by villagers who came from the mountains at the turn of the 19th century. 3- passport Phoenician; are you sure that you’re a historian? 4- When talking a close look at Lebanese and older aramean canaanite Phoenician languages you will find a lot of links, the Arabic we speak is part of our Lebanese dialect, a lingua franca that has evolved through ages to contain at different points in time aramean Phoenician latin greek arabic french turkish persian and English. Arabic itself got cleaned by aramean to have better grammar. Our culture resembles that of Turkey, syria, greece, southern Italy and our unnamable neighbours, food and value wise. Well I spent enough time on this comment so I’ll stop here.

اثبت المؤرخ ( سترابو ) و المؤرخ ( هيرودوت ) ان موطن الفينيق كان جزيرة ( البحرين ) و كان جنوب لبنان على وجه الخصوص يحافظ على أصول ( الخليج العربي ) قبل أن تندثر مع مرور الوقت و اختلاط الشعوب و ذوبانها بسبب الغزوات و غيرها و هذا يدل على ان الفينيق عرب و العرب فينيق..الكلام ذا علمي طبعا و بالدليل طبقا لعلماء مؤرخين مو من عندي انا و هذا الرابط..الي يبي يناقشني في هذي المسأله يناقشني بأدله منطقيه مدعومه بنظريات العلماء: ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%82%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86

انا مش فاهم ليش التعليقات في اللغة الانجليزية ؟ 😀 المسحية بي بيروت الوحدين بيحكو اجنبي كثير cool 😂

اللي بيضحك انو بعض اللبنانيين مفكرين انو الفينيقيين هني بس كانو بلبنان..اوغاريت هي اللي طالعت ابجدية الفينيق اول ابجدية بالتاريخ وهي بسوريا واصلا لبنان تاريخيا جزء من سوريا الكبرى

الحقيقة عندما نقراء النقوش في اليمن وكذالك تاريخ شمال الشرق الاوسط تجد ان طريقه النطق و الحروف قريبه بل الاخص اهل الشام لهجتهم الى العربية الفصحى اكثر من لهجة اليمنية القديمة. عندما تبحث على بداية استخدام الغة العربية سوف تعرف انها لهجة جمعت اهل شمال باهل الجنوب في الجزيرة العربية.وفي الاخير كلنا نتحدث العربية ذات الاصول السامية والحقيقة اشوف الغه العربية الفصيحة افضل من اللهجة الجنوبية" اليمن" واهل الشمال ممثله لا بلاد الشام كامل.

يقال ان العرب والفينيقيين قوقاز وبس

The Arabic language was spoken way way back during the Canaanite era, it was spread out before Islam was found in Arabia , other languages were also spoken but they didn’t survive, so what’s left for now is Arabic , basically anyone who’s main language is Arabic is an Arab, common sense rules over contradictions and historical identity

الفنيقيين الكنعانيين هم أسلاف العرب جينياً ولبنان من أهم الحضارات بالعالم وهي حضارة الفنيقية كنعانية

a Lebanese saying he is Phoenician is like a white American named McMahon saying he is a Scotch.

My wife is Lebanese and her priest always insists they are not Arab. Similar to whats being said here, my wife and her family identify as being Lebanese due to their cultures and traditions. Titles like Arab and Canaanite don't really seem to matter to them.

لم يكن هناك تاريخيا شعب يسمي نفسه بالشعب الفينيقي بل الشعب الإغريقي هو الذي سمى التجار الذين كانوا يقدمون إلى بلادهم من سواحل الشام بالذات مدن صور صيدا و بيبلوس سموه بالفينيقيين في حين انهم لم يعتبروا أنفسهم شعب واحد و لم يستعملوا أبدا مصطلح "الشعب الفينيقي" بل كانوا يعبرون عن هوياتهم نسبة للمدن التي ينحدرون منها فهذه المدن لم تتوحد يوما لتأسيس دولة واحدة

I love this guy, I follow him on Instagram. I find his content to be very useful and it has pushed me to learn more about my roots. However, I was surprised by his statements here as I’ve done my personal research, read studies and looked at the history of present day Lebanon and a lot of it ties back to the Canaanites. Interesting to see his perspective on this. Lebanese people that do not have any Arabian dna from the Arabian peninsula are in fact a very large group of the population.

انتم خليط من الفيقيين و أوروبيين من اليونان و من الأرمن و من الترك و الفرس و العرب لو تحدثنا عن هذا اللبنان حكمت من العرب في أكثر من مره مره حكمت من الدولة الغنساسنة الي هم عرب قحطانيون من الأزد مسيحيين فتواجد العرب قديم في تلك البلاد و بعدها تحولت سلطتها للرومن و لما دخل الإسلام دخل تلك البلاد و انتشر العرب و القبائل العربية في تلك البلاد فموضوع نسب نفسك لأمة أو ثقافة غلط لبنان انتم خليط في مساحة جغرافية صغيرة و عدد سكان ضخم صحيح أن ارضكم أرض الفيقيين بس هل جميعكم الان فيقيين لا طبعاً

honestly this is like asking are the Assyrians Assyrians or Arab ? are the Syriac people Araba or Suryoyo ? if so WHY THEN TWO REFERENCES ??? man there is no such thing as an Arab race word arab as you most likely know came from the verb al ta'arib as in to conjugate therefore we all are a mix each community of us is composed of different percentages from different races and communities and each group differes across in mix percentages , it was in the first World War that the word Arab was the identity given to all that spoke Arabic however it was actually the identity given to the Muslim speaking Arabs check it out how it happened between a British soldier and the king of Saudi Arabia , that said yes we are Arabs but we ave an identity different than the other Arabs , if your ancestry are the same and your conduct and culture where the same those communities would not have been fighting each others for centuries easy to be a brown noser very hard to speak facts and truth

كل الدول العربية التي تعاني من الفشل الإقتصادي و الفساد العارم صار النقاش حول هل نحن عرب أم لا يتم نشره فيها بقوة من صفحات مجهولة في الفايسبوك مما يدل أن الحكومات هي من تقوم بهذا لكي تلهي الشعب في نقاش عقيم بدل أن يحاسبها على فسادها و فشلها

This topic is very interesting, and it goes to a lot of people that are confused about their identity, for example in the case of egypt, algeria, etc, people think that you need to have "arab dna" to be arab, when arab dna isn't really a thing 😭😭it comes from misunderstanding of the arab identity, being arab isn't about genitics what so ever, Its the history of the people calling them selves arab and speaking the language of arabic/having arab culture Another interesting thing is a lot of people thing "arabian peninsula=arab" when that isn't the case historically, its actually really interesting like how in eastern arabia there were christians that spoke hasaiatic and didnt even speak arabic, shockingly enough arabic doesn't originate from the arabian peninsula, but southern levant/jordan, But its a very interesting subject that can be talked about for hours

مش بس بلبنان كمان بالجزائر و الصراع بين الهوية الامازيغية و العربية

Phoenicians means son of canaanite in the greek language It literally mean Bin-canaan which are arabs, الفينيقيين هو اسم يتلق على ابناء كنعان من الاغريقيين، اصل اسم فينيق هو فينيك او بينيك اي بن كنعان 🇵🇸 🇱🇧

"Arab" is not a Race It's a language/cultural phenomenon It's almost like the "Latino" Identity

They are Arabs. I knew a Lebanese girl who said she had tribal Arabian ancestry from her fathers side.

only greeks call this people phoenicia.. we call ourself as Kan'aan

Pheonesians were toatally Canneite The opposite of lebanese that are from the multi ethnicities like Turkmen Assyrian Arminian Greek Arab Persian French Roman Egyptian And more

Hayda ghabi, it means a lot to know we are Phoenicians.

إثنيا انت فينيقي، ثقافيا انت عربي

More Lebanese live out side of Lebanon then inside if that does not show we are travelers then what? And why we always open shop or sell cars or something? If not because we are master merchants….yalla ihkeee

اللبنايين يقولون انهم ليسو عرب بل فينقيين والجزائريون يقولون نحن فنيقيين عرب معتدلة مستحيل الحل

Well, I will not judge this person based on this 4 minutes clip, nonetheless, I can judge the approach and state without any feeling of guilt that this is one of the silliest approaches to ancestry, heritage, and history I've heard.

الفنيقيون اصولهم و جذورهم ترجع لليمن، و هناك عدة ادلة تثبت ذالك حتى ان هناك فنيقيين يعلمو هذه الحقيقة

يذكر ان جنووب لبنان الاغلبية اذا مش الكل من قبائل عاملة و غسان العربية

Is this viewpoint at all influenced by the fact that Hezbollah is now in charge of Lebanon?

We Lebanese debate about a lot of things.. yesterday I was debating about how the average population in Lebanon has the largest wein..nneeer in the middle east 🤣🤣🤣

اتفق معك تماما كلامك صحيح لبنان عربي وبلد عربي حبيب ثقافة ولغة والفينيقون شعب اندثرو منذ آلاف السنين وقال الله تعالى تلك أمة قد خلت لها ما كسبت ولكم ماكسبتم ولا تسألون عما كانو يعملون صدق الله العظيم ..... وشكرا لكم

There is people who see themselves as phinician here?

Do you speak Phoenician = No Do you follow any Phoenician customs and traditions? = No Do you follow the Phoenician religion = No So no, you are not a Phoenician Greek Cypriots Spanish Italians Moroccans Tunisians Algerians have Phoenician DNA, so does that mean they are Phoenicians too? Personally, I think this DNA thing is very superficial. When you see the difference between people, you don't do it through DNA, you see the difference because they have different traditions, languages ​​and cultures. I would say that the only race now living with the closest connection to the Phoenicians is the Israelite Jews. The reason is that Hebrew is the modern language The only ones related to the Phoenicians and yes there are definitely Phoenician traditions like the Hebrews were neighbors after all they must have some traditions in common Now you will say that the Israeli Jews are Iraqi Moroccans and Europeans who converted to Judaism and you are actually wrong because Judaism is not a proselytizing religion and the only reason for the presence of Jews in Europe, Iraq and Morocco is because the Jews were expelled by the Romans and Babylonian Assyrians to these lands

The host wants to play the lack of continuity of the Phoenician culture but the same card can be played on the "Arab" culture. The Arab culture (aka Islamic Golden Age) was WIPED OUT by the Mongols in the mid 13th century. It CEASED TO EXIST more than 800 years ago. And no, Islam and commentaries on Islamic books does not count as ARABIC CULTURE. All your modern "Arabic" culture was created by Lebanese Maronites and Lebanese Melkites. If we look objectively at the facts it looks like your modern "Arabic" culture is more like modern Phoenician/Cannanite/Levantine culture written and spoken in Arabic since it has been mainly created by Lebanese Maronites and Melkites. Lets review your MODERN "Arabic" culture of the past 500 years, actually of the past 300 years because there hadnt been much "Arabic culture or Arabic anything" happening after 1250AD until 1720s: *First printers of books in Arabic in the mid 16th century around 1550 in Italy (Rome)- Giacomo Luna (Syriac: Jacob Yaqub Ibn-Hilal), Gabriel Sionita (Syriac: Jibrā'īl aṣ-Ṣahyūnī) and Victor Scialac (Syriac: Naṣrallāh Shalaq al-'Āqūrī). All Lebanese Maronites based in Rome, Italy who printed mainly books in Syriac but also some of the first books in Arabic in Italy and translated Syriac and Arabic texts into Latin as well popularizing Oriental studies in Europe *First books written about coffee, your "Arabic" drink, popularizing coffee drinking in Europe- Antonio Fausto Naironi (Lebanese Maronite) *Iniatiator of the "Arabic" Renaissance (Nahda) around 1730- Gabriel Germanos Farhat (a Lebanese Maronite) *First properly established printing press in Arabic was established in LEBANON in 1739 (along with a short lived one in Constantinople) by a Lebanese Melkite, printing pretty much almost everything in Arabic for almost 100 years until the printing press was established in Cairo in 1822. That press was ran by Lebanese until 1899. *First modern university in the Middle East (billingual university in Syriac and Arabic)- College of Ayn Warqa was established in 1789 in Lebanon by Joseph Estephan (Lebanese Maronite) *First literary society in Arabic (the Syrian Society for the Arts and Sciences)- Butrus Al-Bustani, Nasif Al-Jaziji, Mikhail Mishaqa (all Lebanese Maronites and Melkites) *First literary and scientific periodical and first modern Arabic encyclopedia- Butrus Al-Bustani (Lebanese Maronite) *First modern dictionary in Arabic- Ahmad Rida (Lebanese) *Earliest promoter of Arabic language and culture against Turkization- Faris Al-Shidyaq (Lebanese) *First novels in Arabic- Faris Al-Shidyaq, Salim Al-Bustani, Elias Abu Shabaki (all Lebanese Maronites), Francis Marrash and his sister (both Melkites educated by Maronites in Aleppo and Beirut), *First novel and first play written in Arabic by a woman- Zaynab Fawwaz (Lebanese) *First female journalist in Arabic- Rose Al-Yusuf (Lebanese) *First historical novel in Arabic- Jurji Zaydan (Lebanese) *Translations of European novels and plays into Arabic- Butrus Al-Bustani and his nephew Suleyman Al-Bustani, Najib Al-Haddad, Nasif Al-Jaziji and Faris Al-Shidyaq (all Lebanese) *First womans rights- Esther Moyal (Lebanese Jew) *First womans magazine in Arabic- Hind Nawfal (Lebanese) *First Arabic typewriter- Ibrahim Al-Jaziji (Lebanese) *First scientific journal in Arabic- Yacoub Sarrouf (Lebanese) *First modern theatre in Arabic- Maroun Naccache (Lebanese) *MAIN DEVELOPER of the Modern Standard Arabic (MSA), the Arabic language that you learn in school- Jurji Zaydan (Lebanese) *Biggest female writer and feminist in Arabic- May Ziadeh (also a mayor poet) *Founder of 2nd oldest and most influential/biggest newspaper in Arabic today- Saleem Takla (Lebanese) *Some of the major poets in the Arabic language along with other Egyptian poets- Khalil Gibran, Mikhael Naimy, Khalil Mutran, Elias Abu Shabki, Nasif Al-Jaziji, May Ziadeh, (all Lebanese) *Music- almost all the famous female singers in Arabic are Lebanese, almost all of your famous composers (Farid Al-Atrash et al and his sister) as well as arabic jazz musicians are Lebanese *The inventor of the modern belly dance and the badlah (the belly dancer custome) was Lebanese Badia Masabni *Cinema- some of the best movies in Arabic have been directed by Youssef Chahine and Henry Bakarat (both Lebanese) *Even your most famous stories Aladdin and Ali Baba was invented by Hanna Dyab, a Maronite born in Aleppo (Lebanese Maronite descent) *Cousine- "Arab/Middle Eastern" food outside the Middle East is more like LEBANESE food/restaurants The only thing "Arabic" in all your modern "Arabic" culture is the language because it has all been created by Lebanese Maronites and Lebanese Melkites (aka Canaanite/Phoenicians/Levantines). Aramaic/Syriac is not that different from Arabic so no problem for them to write and speak in both. Its like Spanish and Italian or Portuguese, easy to learn and speak all if your native language is one of those. Be thankful that they decided to learn it otherwise the Middle East today might be a very different place culturally than it is today. Let it be man. Your Pan-Arabism is just an ideology and one that would never work in an area full of diversity such as the middle east. Arabism was born out of the desire of the Lebanese to fight Turkization, and it succeeded for that, freeing everyone in the Middle East from the Turks. The modern "Arabic" culture was also born out the ancient Phoenician/Levantine attitude of linking the East with the West and the West with the East, and bring cultures together, as well as the desire of the Levantines of modernizing the Middle East and bring the ideas of the Enlightenment to the region. Now its time to respect each countries differences and collaborate economically and culturally in spite of them. Lebanon is part of the Arab League. People dont need to be totally the same or identify as the same in order to collaborate. Look at the European Union, every country preserves their heritage, their nationality and identity, their language, their history, yet they all collaborate with each other. You dont need to push the Arab identity on everyone in the Middle East to create collaboration. Collaborate with each other as MIDDLE EASTENERS with all the diversity and the rich culture that everyone has.

After listening again to Charles, I would say He is somewhat entertaining but Not a Historian. By suggesting “even is the DNA is 100% Phoenician it means absolutely nothing.” It is like saying Native American DNA means absolutely nothing! They do speak English, Spanish or Portuguese and they don’t have a Native American citizens, They have American, Canadian, Mexican, Peruvian, Brazilian passports etc etc. So stop! And bala manyakee ba2aa. Yes we speak Arabic but NOT all of us are Arabs it is that simple dude. Maronite were speaking Aramaic Syriac until recently and now we have Armenians and Assyrians in Lebanon. Arabs were welcome in Lebanon during the “Fateh era” but the land had been occupied by its people thats goes back to 5500 years ago. This is the fact and you can see it from Tyre to Tripoli.

الذي يقول اللبناني فينيقي يتكلم فينيقي و يتفاهم معنا و لا يتكلم عربي

Phoenician

Whatever i’ll still consider a part of the lebanese phoenician.

الفينقيين اجداد العرب و هم جزء من الكنعانيين وهم من شرق شبه جزيرة العرب . كيف يوجد مثل هذا الجهل بلبنان ‼️‼️‼️

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't one be a mixture of Canaanite, Phoenician and Arab? It's all different subculture of the larger Semitic family group anyway. People are obsessed with placing themselves in a category box.

الفينيقيين اصلهم عرب

In Search of the Phoenicians” by Josephine Quinn Recommend this book for your guest and lebanese ppl. As it reveals the motivation behind creating such none existing Phoenician identity. Thanks and enjoy your academic reading.