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Cul-de-sacs, loops, and separated subdivisions make it difficult for people to walk and bike in the suburbs. We've known this for decades. Have we improved our suburban street patterns in recent decades? I conducted a study to find out! I published the study in the Journal of Urban Morphology: journal.urbanf...
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@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 3 месяца назад
I don't know if you all have noticed, but I'm doing "Suburbs Spring" on this channel! I really wanted to do a series on ways to make the suburbs better. There are two more videos in the series coming, then I'm headed to Japan to do a series on Japanese planning!
@AMPProf
@AMPProf 3 месяца назад
Curvilinear.
@leandersearle5094
@leandersearle5094 3 месяца назад
So is intersection density directly related to pedestrian access, or is it an "analogue" measurement?
@dernwine
@dernwine 3 месяца назад
@1:47 not all culldesacs are bad for walkability. I live on a cul-de-sac and it's extremely walkable because while cars can't pass beyond the end of my road, there is a footpath that leads on to a levee and a foot bridge over the creek, as well as a bike trail to the local shopping centre. It's actually faster and easier to walk or bike to the supermarket than to drive because of those. Between dog walkers, ramblers, people going to the shops, or people just passing through my street because it's a convienient way to walk from the bus stop to the housing development beyond the creek, I'd estimate I have well over 10x the pedestrian traffic on my street than motorised traffic.
@KuK137
@KuK137 3 месяца назад
That nebula ad is so long and desperate it made me dislike the whole idea, sounds like stuff you make just before something fails. Vision? Isn't it a business first and foremost? Also, lifetime pay? Virtually all companies that offer these soon find themselves in trouble, if not now then 5 years down the line, simply because money from these runs out quickly but costs remain forever so "lifetime" is often being cancelled to not drag company down as soon as it becomes inconvenient...
@KuK137
@KuK137 3 месяца назад
@@dernwine Except most of people who move to suburbs are either xenophobic types or simply scared by fox lies BS and hearing this, would do everything to ban such paths...
@jakecosenza69
@jakecosenza69 3 месяца назад
I grew up in a 1920s suburb and while it's still car-dominated, the difference between it and what we've built since the 1960s is night and day. Newer cities are so much worse.
@AMPProf
@AMPProf 3 месяца назад
Like the ghosts, sidewalk streets, coal shoots, ...
@thomasgrabkowski8283
@thomasgrabkowski8283 3 месяца назад
Because back then, most still did not have cars. It was only until WW2 did most have their own cars
@danielcarroll3358
@danielcarroll3358 3 месяца назад
I have a house that is one block from 2 former streetcar routes. It really makes it a great place to live. I have a walkscore of 99, a bikescore of 98 and a transit score of 65. The latter just means that I have only one bus route a block away that runs every 12 minutes, but if I am willing to walk for five minutes I can get to 9 more. They will take me to 2 international airports and 3 Amtrak stations as well as the regional commuter rail trains that run every 10 or 20 minutes. Never had a need for a car and I'm 77 now.
@hydrolifetech7911
@hydrolifetech7911 3 месяца назад
​@@danielcarroll3358you are living the dream!
@michaelvickers4437
@michaelvickers4437 3 месяца назад
The difference is that it is possible to live car free, it's car lite in a streetcar suburb, but that's virtually impossible in a post-WWII suburb.
@RsSooke
@RsSooke 3 месяца назад
Imagine living in a far flung suburb in Phoenix and walking to the nearest store in the summer. Literal chance of dying.
@USSAnimeNCC-
@USSAnimeNCC- 3 месяца назад
Meanwhile japanese subrubs give you a cozy feeling while having stores near waling distance
@HSR107
@HSR107 3 месяца назад
I'm in "far flung suburb" of Orlando and grateful for my eBike. Closet convenience store is 2.5 mi / 4 Km with just over half of it with a sidewalk. Closest grocer is 3.5 mi / 5.6 Km. Closest AFFORDABLE grocer / super-center is 5.7 mi / 9.1 Km. Temperature highs has been around 95F/35C with VERY high humidity.
@RsSooke
@RsSooke 3 месяца назад
@@HSR107 eBike seems like a good solution for that. For most errands I can walk/bike where I am on southern Vancouver Island. But when I need to drive and it’s rush hour it’s absurd, often taking up to an hour to go just 15KM to the nearest city.
@Fs3i
@Fs3i 3 месяца назад
@@HSR107 ebikes are cool in walkable / bikable cities, too. I live in Karlsruhe, Germany, which is the most bikable city of its size or bigger in Germany (population: 300k), and an ebike is a game changer. I'm anywhere in the city within 15 minutes, and it's just plain fun.
@barryrobbins7694
@barryrobbins7694 3 месяца назад
Phoenix is like living on Mars for 3 months of the year.
@ChristopherJennings0
@ChristopherJennings0 3 месяца назад
I don't understand why subdivisions aren't linked with footpaths. In the UK we have similar cul-de-sac patterned suburbs, but there are usually lots of footpaths providing connectivity
@mdhazeldine
@mdhazeldine 3 месяца назад
Yeah. I'm British too and was thinking the same. It's like sooooooo cheap to just build a simple pathway. The only down side of them is they can be a bit scary at night for vulnerable people if too long/enclosed and not lit well, but there are ways around that with good design.
@timogul
@timogul 3 месяца назад
It's because people don't want strangers cutting right past their yards all the time, especially if the neighborhood does not have high walls around each yard.
@playlist5455
@playlist5455 3 месяца назад
In Calgary there are tons of these walkable connections between cul-de-sacs and different loops. The only issue is zoning which keeps the commercial stuff farther away depending on which end of the neighborhood you are in.
@alleaufihreposition
@alleaufihreposition 3 месяца назад
​@@timogul then build a fence around your garden
@noob.168
@noob.168 3 месяца назад
In socal, some are
@ShaneOConnorRec
@ShaneOConnorRec 3 месяца назад
I live in a very wealthy suburb (more like a village) just outside of Los Angeles. The housing developments were designed largely in the 70's and 80's. There are lots of terrible things about how everything is spread out, but they did account for an incredible amount of walkable parks, easy access to grocery stores by foot, and most importantly, walkways and paths between developments. A lot of people gawk at where I moved, but it actually feels more urban than Hollywood in a lot of ways. It feels more like a walkable city than the flats of Los Angeles.
@dlazo32696
@dlazo32696 3 месяца назад
I’m curious. What suburb is this? I’m moving from NYC to Palmdale California. From a dense walkable metropolis, to an exurb of Los Angeles 😂
@ShaneOConnorRec
@ShaneOConnorRec 3 месяца назад
@@dlazo32696 agoura hills
@ShaneOConnorRec
@ShaneOConnorRec 3 месяца назад
@@dlazo32696 also. Have you been to Palmdale? I moved from Brooklyn to Hollywood and it was a huge transition. Palmdale is like moving to mars
@dlazo32696
@dlazo32696 3 месяца назад
@@ShaneOConnorRec Yes I have haha. My wife’s family lives out in Palmdale and Rancho Cucamonga. She wants to be close to them in California. You’re right though, it’s like Mars. It’s another world out there in the desert. Certainly different from LA. I know what I’m getting myself into haha. It’s VERY suburban out there.
@shraka
@shraka 3 месяца назад
All suburbs should be built like villages, nestled around heavy rail with their own light rail network.
@jakobsmith4046
@jakobsmith4046 3 месяца назад
If I had a penny for every "access point" that hasn't been connected, i'd have a fleet of private jets on 24/7 standby
@chefnyc
@chefnyc 3 месяца назад
Cul-de-sacs are awesome. All you need is an opening of 3-4 feet that allows foot/bike traffic. It will be walkable, and without through traffic kids can actually play outside with the neighbors' kids. I grew up in a European suburb that allowed by discouraged through traffic we used to play on the street.
@kjh23gk
@kjh23gk 3 месяца назад
I agree, and they can be made from regular roads: take a through road, put a modal filter in the middle, you've now got two cul-de-sacs, with all of the traffic reducing characteristics of purpose built ones. I wouldn't be surprised if the people that rant against LTNs also sing the praises of cul-de-sacs.
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 3 месяца назад
well, those openings and good public transport options.
@ap9970
@ap9970 3 месяца назад
Many years ago, I read a news article about a study that found children living in cul-de-sacs were more likely to be run over.
@TomPVideo
@TomPVideo 3 месяца назад
I grew up in a suburb just like that in North Vancouver. Aside from not having any commercial nearby, it was actually really great for walkability as a kid. You skip from cul-de-sac to cul-de-sac and walking is faster than driving.
@ttopero
@ttopero 3 месяца назад
If those subdivisions have open backyards, they organically do something like this, if you’re willing to walk through private property that may not be maintained
@Skip6235
@Skip6235 3 месяца назад
I honestly don’t mind loops and cul d sacs, I just think they need walking/biking paths between them. It’s not that much different than blocking urban roads to through car traffic. It’s easy to add those small paths as well, which massively increase walkability.
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 3 месяца назад
Exactly!
@tungus-
@tungus- 3 месяца назад
They can also put hedges so people living in the houses next to such paths don’t get their privacy offended
@laurie7689
@laurie7689 3 месяца назад
I live on the inner bend of a cul-de-sac. Before it was fenced, people WOULD try to use our land to get through. If they hurt themselves, WE were the ones that would get sued. So, we fenced it off. Our neighbors all did the same. So long as government doesn't think that it can take my property to build a trail through to the other street behind us. They can do what they want with new subdivisions, but they aren't going to find that any of the old ones, like mine built in the 80's, are going to be willing to let them. I'm not giving up my land.
@michaelh9656
@michaelh9656 3 месяца назад
I feel like the easiest fix to this is to incorporate pedestrian pass-throughs into current and planned developments to make it actually possible to walk/bike to retail areas from a residential area
@tann_man
@tann_man 3 месяца назад
not making mixed used spaces illegal would be nice. that way shops are closer to where people live.
@swedneck
@swedneck 3 месяца назад
​@@tann_man hell at least slap in a tiny commercial zone every here and there for a convenience store, that's effectively how it's done in sweden a lot of the time and while obviously not perfect it's perfectly functional.
@geofflepper3207
@geofflepper3207 3 месяца назад
​@@tann_man Jane Jacobs would agree with you on that. She liked having a mixture of uses of land in the same neighbourhood.
@jens_le_benz
@jens_le_benz 3 месяца назад
@@swedneckyeah my neighbourhood has something similar to that, but the convenience stores are located under 3-5 stories of residential.
@cindyeisenberg3273
@cindyeisenberg3273 3 месяца назад
Where I live, the gated communities block everything. Most wealthy or higher middle class live like elitist, while the rest of us don’t live in those communities. I’m tired of looking at all of the walls. My area, despite the condos is not walkable. You can get killed. There’s people who don’t have cars. I don’t know how they deal with public transportation. It’s very unreliable.
@eggballo4490
@eggballo4490 3 месяца назад
Abandoned railways need to be turned back into railways for better transportation links. I'm for trails, but not on abandoned railways.
@tHebUm18
@tHebUm18 3 месяца назад
Many "abandoned railways" in cities were only ever used for industrial goods--providing a link to bring raw materials in and ship finished products out. Many would not make sense today as the factories are gone and pathing unsuitable for transit.
@scarpfish
@scarpfish 3 месяца назад
The railways that we abandoned were never built with transporting people in mind, but industrial cargo, and many of them pass through such areas of town. Reactivating them in most cases would be useless.
@thedapperdolphin1590
@thedapperdolphin1590 3 месяца назад
@@tHebUm18You could pair them with redevelopments for the industrial areas. They’re often large tracks of land that are going unused, especially in the Rustbelt. And brownfield remediation has lead to quite a few vibrant communities. And there are some abandoned rail lines that would make sense for transit as is.
@JesusChrist-qs8sx
@JesusChrist-qs8sx 3 месяца назад
Definitely depends on the city (NYC, for example, has no excuse not to build rail) but generally a trail is a smarter investment, if it's capitalized on. It's cheaper, so cities can do it without federal money, and can yield just as much housing as a light rail line would, albeit with a tiny bit more parking. But the best thing is that when you have that density, it's then really easy to just add a rail line alongside the path. The Atlanta Beltline is a fantastic example of how trails can go a super long way. Its built a shit ton of housing, and will likely get a streetcar at some point in the future.
@JesusChrist-qs8sx
@JesusChrist-qs8sx 3 месяца назад
@@scarpfishThe Atlanta Beltline (which is currently just a trail) reactivated it's entire corridor length, and it's an old industrial rail line. The entire area has been transformed with new development - midrise apartments with retail, townhomes, urban subdivisions, warehouse conversions into lofts and breweries, etc It's a hugely transformative project, for a very low cost. And will eventually be supplemented with a beltline streetcar
@MazinElrayah
@MazinElrayah 3 месяца назад
Can you make a video about gated communities? In North America specifically the last video is old and needs to be updated
@AMPProf
@AMPProf 3 месяца назад
YOU MEAN Florida.. HOA in an Hoa in an Hoa yep
@zackwhite5959
@zackwhite5959 3 месяца назад
I would love a video about gated communities. Look at an area like North Scottsdale, AZ. Literally hundreds of little gated suburbs in the middle of the desert.
@finnrummygaming
@finnrummygaming 3 месяца назад
He has. It’s called “Are gated communities bad”
@MazinElrayah
@MazinElrayah 3 месяца назад
@@finnrummygaming Yes I've seen it
@finnrummygaming
@finnrummygaming 3 месяца назад
@@MazinElrayah mb Idt you clarified earlier that you thought it needed updating. Tbh it’s a pretty good vid despite its age and a lot of it is still relevant today
@PaulMcElligott
@PaulMcElligott 3 месяца назад
“I’m old, but even I wasn’t born in 1980.” I felt that.
@ninabeena83
@ninabeena83 3 месяца назад
Smh. Its not even old in terms of people years (myself being born in 1980🥴) But yeah, from a “we collected and are still reporting data from 44 entire years ago” - it’s absolutely ridiculous 😅
@christianhohenstein1422
@christianhohenstein1422 3 месяца назад
I took that personally
@Jennifer-my5dm
@Jennifer-my5dm 3 месяца назад
So did I. ::cries in 1967::
@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain
@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain 3 месяца назад
“I’m old, but even I wasn’t born in 1980.” Making light of those older than you?? Oh you can bet that’s a paddling.
@kailahmann1823
@kailahmann1823 3 месяца назад
For comparison: Very new subdivisions here in Germany usually have 1-2 access points for cars and many (!) more (in one case it's 1:8) for bikes and pedestrians. If there's only one regular car access, one other is wide enough, but blocked with a bollard - this serves as a fallback if the regular is blocked by construction or such. This secondary access is also often placed as inconvenient as possible, leading you only to the next subdivision (with the benefit of having a very wide/fast bike connection between them!).
@geofflepper3207
@geofflepper3207 3 месяца назад
Sounds like a road in a city just outside Toronto except in this case I suspect that it was not the original plan. The road would be the main road through the neighborhood especially as it runs straight into a more busy and long road through the next neighborhood after crossing a major road. However the road is blocked by barriers half way along its distance. Bicycles and pedestrians can get through but not cars. I suspect that originally there was no barrier but that people living on the street complained about there being too many cars cutting through the neighborhood on their street and got the city to put up a barrier. The rest of the streets in that neighborhood are a bit of a maze that nobody is going to try to negotiate so the barrier ensures that the particular street and the neighborhood has only local traffic while drivers travelling further stick to main roads. One thing that Toronto sometimes has in old neighborhoods with a grid pattern is one way streets that change direction every time the streets reach an intersection with another side street. So one can't simply take a long narrow side street all the way from one major road to another major road to avoid a traffic jam or lights on a main road. One could possibly take one side street and then jog over at a certain point to get to another side street to then continue in the direction one wants to go but most people aren't going to bother.
@enjoystraveling
@enjoystraveling 3 месяца назад
That’s very good to build it that way to not encourage cars to access the subdivision for faster way In a major city in the United States there was once where cars drove through a neighborhood when there was too much traffic on the exit access road through the highways, and the neighbors finally voted to Block it in One Direction put a few speed bumps to discourage cars from taking that route so schoolchildren could be safe and still walk to school in their area It took a child to be hit by a car to change things.
@kailahmann1823
@kailahmann1823 3 месяца назад
@@enjoystraveling retrofitting existing neighborhoods here is also much more difficult - with car lobbyists complaining how this would slow down emergency vehicles (far less that idiots parked in the wrong spot…) or just how it's an "oppression of drivers". A maze of one-way streets (with two-way cycling) is a lot easier to sell, but might get ignored or is just much less effective in the era of Google Maps.
@CatFish107
@CatFish107 3 месяца назад
Only being aware of the concept from your description, I'm curious about emergency access? I suspect that large entrance with a bollard could be used for fire fighting and ambulances?
@Skilan506
@Skilan506 3 месяца назад
@@CatFish107A lot of these bollards are the ones that sink into the ground. This can be activated by emergency vehicles.
@dlight9849
@dlight9849 3 месяца назад
1:31 This! 🤬 It's a two-mile walk/drive to visit the neighbor behind me. And while the grocery store is 2.5 miles away, it isn't walkable unless you want to walk on a 45mph road with no sidewalks and no shoulder.
@NJ-wb1cz
@NJ-wb1cz 3 месяца назад
2.5 miles to a grocery store is worse than living in an old village since even villages had their own stores. What prevents some person from opening a store right in the neighborhood on their own and selling some common necessities?
@dlight9849
@dlight9849 3 месяца назад
@@NJ-wb1cz Zoning laws. It's residential only, and a violation to conduct business from your home per HOA.
@NJ-wb1cz
@NJ-wb1cz 3 месяца назад
@@dlight9849 but it's a democracy so just change those laws. What kind of silly idea is it to _outlaw_ basic food availability, entertainment availability, education availability?... Let alone how it goes against the foundations of capitalism and bans capitalism without even any socialist benefit, like a government run store. Old villages often had a shop and a community center and a primary school etc, most of the essentials people would need near the place where they live. Artificially limiting that is something an evil feudal lord could do to his peons, not the people themselves to themselves
@TexMarque
@TexMarque 3 месяца назад
I have a Walmart 4 miles north and a Kroger, Aldi and HEB 4 miles east. Any food store closer is a convenience store with lack of choice and high, high prices. People choose to live in these subdivisions for a reason; if they wanted to live in the city, then they would.
@dlight9849
@dlight9849 3 месяца назад
@@NJ-wb1cz I'm gonna take a guess and say the residents in the gated subdivision aren't wanting a convenient store amongst their million dollar homes. Not to mention, said convenient store would be frequented by us low-income HUD tenants -- the exact people they don't want around which is why they gated the subdivision.
@user-xsn5ozskwg
@user-xsn5ozskwg 3 месяца назад
Linking subdivisions with foot and bike paths should be mandatory. I think road access and standard intersections aren't necessarily the healthiest approach, anyone who's lived in a neighbourhood with streets parallel to a busy arterial can tell you the horrors of trying to get people not to speed through because they see your street as an alternate route and not a place where people live. It's also important because it provides a direct incentive to use other means of transportation; if it's faster to walk or bike to my favourite restaurant or library then weather permitting I'll do that instead.
@TickleMeChelmno
@TickleMeChelmno 3 месяца назад
I support you funding all this. You’re a good guy. You can deal with all the eminent domain issues
@user-xsn5ozskwg
@user-xsn5ozskwg 3 месяца назад
@@TickleMeChelmno Why is a literal Nazi trying to act like he gives a crap about eminent domain? Follow your leader, bud.
@TickleMeChelmno
@TickleMeChelmno 3 месяца назад
Holy cringe I need a shower after that retort. Don’t you have a live aid to attend for your benefit?
@jdq05
@jdq05 3 месяца назад
I live in Wake County NC, and growing up in the suburbs of Raleigh was what made me interested in urban planning. Your videos helped me get into it and now I’m going to school for a minor in Urban Studies.
@fernbedek6302
@fernbedek6302 3 месяца назад
US suburbs make Canadian ones look urban and functional... and ours are such depressing sprawl.
@Job.Well.Done_01
@Job.Well.Done_01 3 месяца назад
US suburbs are so lonely and depressing!
@shraka
@shraka 3 месяца назад
Same for Australia. I go to the outer suburbs here and I get really depressed, but then I see the U.S. and I'm like "Oh right, our suburbs are not so bad."
@TickleMeChelmno
@TickleMeChelmno 3 месяца назад
And do you why American *exurbs* (get it right) are so sprawling? Guess what goes on in the cities and who lives there that we have to evade.
@fernbedek6302
@fernbedek6302 3 месяца назад
@@TickleMeChelmno White flight due to racism. We know.
@penguins.227
@penguins.227 3 месяца назад
​​@@TickleMeChelmnosounding a lot like an Austrian painter there, though the crime stats fully support you
@FlyxPat
@FlyxPat 3 месяца назад
My city designed suburbs to be walkable with shops in the centre of each suburb and sidewalks, paved footpaths and parks allowing shortcuts across the street network. The shops might be a small supermarket, a bakery, newsagent, doctor, takeaway etc around a carpatk. Plus an adjacent petrol station, sometimes a single-story office building. It mostly still works well - especially in wealthier areas where restaurants and bars became typical tenants - but some of these little shopping centres weren’t viable and lost shops and the few worst ones have boarded up shopfronts. The petrol stations mostly closed as well. A cluster of a dozen or so suburbs, about 60,000 population, would surround a mall and a light industrial/retail/office precinct, the whole gridded with dual carriageways connecting the township to adjacent towns and freeways. Then radial bus routes serving the town centres and express bus services connecting the various town centres. The city is starting the replace the express bus routes with light rail, which is expensive and controversial, but the city government has won several elections with light rail as its main policy.
@smallmj2886
@smallmj2886 3 месяца назад
I grew up in suburbs that were built in the 60's and 70's. All of the cul-de-sacs and subdivisions were connected with walking paths, so visiting my friends or walking to school was easy and I didn't have to ask my parents to drive me. It blows my mind that many newer developments don't have these paths.
@zoicon5
@zoicon5 3 месяца назад
I used to live in Wake County. I left in '95 or '96 and when I went back to visit about 20 years later the sprawl was just crazy. And yes, I think the suburbs *are* getting worse. These newer, denser suburbs give you the bad parts of city life (congestion, noise, traffic) without the good parts (walkable neighborhoods with things actually worth walking to).
@cassinipanini
@cassinipanini 3 месяца назад
a lot of the farther out satellites like Clayton and Wake Forest are getting hit hard by this type of suburbization right now
@webwebwebby0
@webwebwebby0 3 месяца назад
Used to live in Wake County, NC and chose to live there due to perceived growth opportunities. It was hands down one of the most boring, soul crushing, and cliquey places on earth. Made me realize only way to get a walkable neighborhood is to vote with your feet and pick a place that already has it. In Wake County, there’s no point in driving anywhere to do anything if all there is for hundreds of miles in any direction is YET ANOTHER sprawling big box shopping plaza with YET ANOTHER Walmart, Bojangles, Target, and/or Carrabba’s.
@piotrrashman6487
@piotrrashman6487 3 месяца назад
all of this doesn't address the the underying problem of suburban desolation. sure, it would be a step in the right direction to increase interconnectivity between sub-devisions by modes other than cars but if you can't use this new connections for anything other than meeting up with other suburbanites in their home, you've gained very little. exclusive zoning is still your number one enemy when it comes to walkability.
@barryrobbins7694
@barryrobbins7694 3 месяца назад
9:57 I think it is a matter of how far you are willing or able to bicycle. With reasonable weather and an e-bike, it is possible for most people to go quite far. You are right though, It is only possible to improve suburban desolation (great word) to a point.
@thomasgrabkowski8283
@thomasgrabkowski8283 3 месяца назад
When everything other than your neighbor's homes are outside walking distance
@KuK137
@KuK137 3 месяца назад
@@barryrobbins7694 Most people? What about pregnant? Kids? Disabled? Sick? Elderly? I had a knee surgery once and I'll tell you walking on a crutch (and I was lucky enough to still walk, I didn't thankfully need a wheelchair) does a lot to debunk "walkability" assumptions of young healthy people, and gives you real clue how it should be done...
@barryrobbins7694
@barryrobbins7694 3 месяца назад
@@KuK137 Most = the greatest part; the majority. Other options don’t go away even if most people choose to travel by bicycle.
@enjoystraveling
@enjoystraveling 3 месяца назад
@@KuK137 I used to live in Germany and because people still walk and bicycle throughout the decades it’s quite common to see men and women in their 70s and 80s still bicycle quite a lot to get around. As for children, they’re bicycling to school and they’re bicycling with their parents on the weekend to other villages for fun. For people that have a hard time walking or have knee surgery there’s public transportation and perhaps knee surgery doesn’t happen as often because people are more active and I’ve never seen more people that need knee surgery than in the United States. I don’t know if that has a connection, but I’m thinking it does also with, obese people
@JuanMorales-jo1oo
@JuanMorales-jo1oo 3 месяца назад
Just thinking that I could bike to school and walk to a cafeteria or arcade from my home already screams countless benefits.
@josephfisher426
@josephfisher426 3 месяца назад
From a planning perspective, footpaths have to be mandated or there won't be effective connections. Cul-de-sacs usually don't run all the way to the boundary of a subdivision because that's extra pavement and other infrastructure instead of a lot. Tees that can be extended are much more flexible, but it's been a few decades since they were preferred. The size of fire trucks is one of the reasons: they can't really turn around in a tee that's only the width of a roadway.
@EmmaMaySeven
@EmmaMaySeven 3 месяца назад
Having a network of footpaths beyond the roads is key. I live in York, England, which has superb walkability due its offroad paths. My family doctor is about 2.3 miles from where I live and less than half a mile is alongside a busy road, making the journey pleasant to walk despite the length. My walk to the city centre is about 1.2 miles, but I only need to cross one busy road then it's mostly a riverside stroll. I don't know how such a network can be built from scratch. It almost seems as though a different mindset is needed: that walking is its own mode of travel, that it's non--destructive and has very low intrusiveness, thus developers need to explain why they haven't included footpaths, rather than their provision being exceptional. They can even be provided at zero cost: many footpaths in England are simply dirt tracks worn by walkers: the landowner have to allow access but they don't (often) need to provide much beyond that.
@gelandres
@gelandres 3 месяца назад
I moved to the Research Triangle a year ago to work for one of the major universities. I lived in Morrisville and now Durham. Lots of townhomes and apartments being built, which is good; but the urban pattern is pretty much the same as in the ex-burbs, where residential is built in a community with an entrance and everything. And a shopping center/strip mall is usually built on the corner main roads, abutting the community. They sometimes create walking paths from the community to the shopping center. But most people still get on their car and drive to the corner shopping center to do their groceries. There is no public transport except on the main corridors, so there is no way to get around except by car. Again, it's like the suburbs, but townhomes instead of single-family. If you visit these townhome communities to lease, they'll sell you on the nearby country trails and hiking nature paths. When you ask about shopping, they'll point you to a shopping center or strip mall where you obviously need a car to get there; for them that's nearby. It is still very much a country/suburban mentality here.
@bluestatepaine
@bluestatepaine 3 месяца назад
I don’t understand using walking paths for shopping. How are you going to carry the things you buy?
@iamsandrewsmith
@iamsandrewsmith 3 месяца назад
I grew up in a cul-de-sac-heavy subdivision built in the 1980s. At that time, there was no interconnection between streets other than trespassing between houses as my friends and I did. In the last 20 years, though, the developers of newer subdivisions nearby have built paths connecting streets to one another. It's like they realized that people actually like to walk places.
@seaotter42
@seaotter42 3 месяца назад
Great video, especially like the focus on "how can we improve the suburbs" rather than "burn it all down". For multi-use paths and cul-de-sac passthroughs, I find that newer subdivisions in my Northern California suburb all have these built-in, even gated neighborhoods have multi-use-path access points... I think its great and a practical solution that I appreciate about my own neighborhood. The paths are an amenity that a lot of buyers expect if they're paying $$$$ for homes. Not directly tied in, but it would be interesting to evaluate where we should re-assess how walkability is evaluated given the rise of remote work... Obviously not everyone can work remote, but a "walkable neighborhood" for someone who works from home may mean "I can walk my kids to school, walk the dog, walk to the park, do small errands on foot", whereas urban walkability is often about "can I get to work without a car".
@ado543
@ado543 3 месяца назад
In the UK, we moved towards cul-de-sac style development patterns in the 1960s. Many 1970s estates (subdivisions) are well laid out with quiet streets and lots of off-road paths connecting the cul-de-sacs. These '70s estates also tend to have a major footpath through the middle of them that acts as a spine in the walking/cycling network, linking the cul de sacs together with other areas of the town. Cars have to go around the edge. But I think things have got much worse since the '90s and '00s - many new housing estates are completely cut off from the surrounding town, and the only access for pedestrians is via the 1 or 2 main road access points, forcing pedestrians to take the same long routes as cars. The UK has always been much more walkable than the US, but we have been building more and more car-dependent developments in recent decades.
@Serentropic
@Serentropic 3 месяца назад
I remember in school, playing SimCity, I liked to brainstorm cities where greenways and footpaths snaked through the entire town, like one continuous park connecting every neighborhood. I thought it was a pipe dream at the time. I resigned myself to the idea that my urban hikes would always be blockaded by some inhospitable five lane road. It's only in the last few years that I've learned my aspirations are shared by many people and even favored by contemporary urbanism. It gives me hope. Maybe someday I won't need my car to find new and hidden worlds within my city.
@Coffeepanda294
@Coffeepanda294 3 месяца назад
I agree, I've thought the same way for a long time, but it's only recently it's become a movement that's actually gaining significant traction. There's hope!
@AndrewMcColl
@AndrewMcColl 3 месяца назад
"I'm old, but even I wasn't born in 1980." Great, and now I feel like I sipped from the wrong Grail.
@SH3V3K_14
@SH3V3K_14 3 месяца назад
I see your point but I'd argue that it takes a special kind of stupid to not connect adjacent cul-de-sacs with a 3 feet wide path for pedestrians...
@Coffeepanda294
@Coffeepanda294 3 месяца назад
Calling them stupid is letting them off the hook too easily. This is xenophobia paired with lobbying to make their cities as car-dependent as possible.
@SH3V3K_14
@SH3V3K_14 3 месяца назад
@@Coffeepanda294 I don't see the connection with xenophobia? Besides I'm sure that there has been massive lobbying originally, I think now, it may also be a culture that has been acquired by the administration and the public for decades and they can't envision a different way of doing things...
@Coffeepanda294
@Coffeepanda294 3 месяца назад
@@SH3V3K_14 "I don't see the connection with xenophobia?" The suburbs were originally a way for middle and upper class white people to get away from the cities where the minorities lived. If you read the comments here (especially if you sort by Newest first), you'll find lots of people who like suburbs as they are because if there were footpaths, you'd have 'strangers' passing through their neighbourhood, and they can't have that, they could bring crime, don'tchaknow.
@SH3V3K_14
@SH3V3K_14 3 месяца назад
@@Coffeepanda294 OK. I know that the suburbs were originally used to separate races, but I don't think that there would be white people living in one cul-de-sac and black people in the next one?
@TalleyrandsPuppet
@TalleyrandsPuppet 3 месяца назад
@@Coffeepanda294 nah, just run-of-the-mill capitalist greed. it would cost like $10 more per home to build paths.
@definitelynotacrab7651
@definitelynotacrab7651 3 месяца назад
Really need those access points to increase. Not only is it a detriment to pedestrian ease, but its just dangerous. A natural disaster happens that cuts the one road into a culdesac off and suddenly those people could be in real danger.
@laurie7689
@laurie7689 3 месяца назад
Where I live, that would happen regardless. I live in Alabama. It is a very heavily wooded State and gets a lot of tornadoes. When the winds knock over the trees, nobody is going anywhere, whether it is road or trail. That is why many folk here own gas-powered chainsaws. You have to cut your way out. Nearly after every big storm, you'll hear the chainsaws buzzing. Even the suburbs are full of trees. Generally, most of the storm-related deaths are from trees landing on folk.
@jonathansnow1886
@jonathansnow1886 3 месяца назад
People freak out when you make links that bikes can use but (cop) cars can't. In my town, the idea of connecting neighborhoods with bike paths is countered with "crime issues", as if people on bicycles were likely to ride up to suburban neighborhoods for plunder. It being Louisiana, this is all super racially coded.
@HSR107
@HSR107 3 месяца назад
"I'm old but even I wasn't born in 1980" =O "old"? * groans in born in 1967 *
@MTBSPD
@MTBSPD 3 месяца назад
A guy on the bike trail yesterday commented on my Bell V1 Pro bike helmet. He said 'That's from 1982!' I had to think for a moment and I concluded it WAS from 1982, which was before he was born. He must be super into bicycle stuff to know the age of a bicycle part from before he was born!
@CityBeautiful
@CityBeautiful 3 месяца назад
I teach Gen Z -- they make me feel old every day!
@luodeligesi7238
@luodeligesi7238 3 месяца назад
1980s is old. 1960s is ancient
@rogink
@rogink 3 месяца назад
@@MTBSPD Did bike helmets exist in 1982? Perhaps for mountain bikers? Regardless, the plastic will have deteriorated so in the unlikely event you actually need it, I doubt it will make any difference!
@CynicalJerome
@CynicalJerome 3 месяца назад
1967? Damn
@blaketracy4377
@blaketracy4377 3 месяца назад
Thinking about how long it takes to "get out" actually makes me feel super uneasy
@StoryBird2
@StoryBird2 3 месяца назад
I live by a suburban neighborhood and there is only 1 entrance, unless you count the secret back entrance I can use because it's my private property. But there are like 3 roads that branch off to nowhere and only 1 even has a loop. Actually there is a 'stub' which wasn't built because guess where it led? My property
@laurie7689
@laurie7689 3 месяца назад
They are/were hoping to get your property at some time in the future. That is why they do that.
@StoryBird2
@StoryBird2 3 месяца назад
@@laurie7689 lol we're not connecting to their road when we build back there to avoid uneeded traffic
@justinleemiller
@justinleemiller 3 месяца назад
Where I live they have doubled down on sprawl. For every unit going in downtown about 10 sprawl style units are being built. Traffic on the little country roads is terrible 😢
@willrobinson4976
@willrobinson4976 3 месяца назад
Inner suburbs, outer suburbs, or far-flung suburbs, not all suburbs are equal. I'm sure there are nice walkable suburbs out there somewhere, Evanston Illinois comes to mind.
@F4URGranted
@F4URGranted 3 месяца назад
I wouldn't consider it a great example, being a suburb bordering one of the largest most prominent cities in the world, with a large university encompassed inside. It gives the vibes of Cambridge, MA, or Berkeley, CA
@willrobinson4976
@willrobinson4976 3 месяца назад
@@F4URGranted But on the Evanston Wikipedia page, they called themselves a suburb north of Chicago in the second sentence. I used to live in Chicago, and that's how I've always heard it described there. Long Beach California also comes to mind.
@olamilekanakala7542
@olamilekanakala7542 3 месяца назад
Evanston is a city that acts like a suburb at times. I live in Rogers Park so I visit often. Evanston even has its own pseudo inner-ring suburb around its downtown.
@F4URGranted
@F4URGranted 3 месяца назад
@@willrobinson4976 true, I lived out close to Naperville so for us exurb people it all seems like the city! Even Berwyn and Cicero
@cassinipanini
@cassinipanini 3 месяца назад
this is true of Raleigh. The suburbs inside whats considered the 'traditional' city limits are not the same as the ones built in North Raleigh (not a different town, just newly developed area up towards the lake). The inner suburbs are tighter, with lots of trees. The outer ones have less trees, bigger houses, more affluence with less nearby. And those are still different from the ones that are popping up in the numerous satellite towns like Clayton, Rolesville, Knightdale, even farther out like Wendell. The development out in these farther areas is insanely isolated and almost Vivarium-esque.
@jameshiggins-thomas9617
@jameshiggins-thomas9617 3 месяца назад
Around here, stubs seem to have been a thing in the 70s and are absolutely ignored now. And I find, anecdotally, that home buyers do not want connectivity. Particularly focused on cars, but it extends to other modes also - neighbors want to "exclude" people that don't live there. 🤷‍♂️ The conflict in thinking is almost funny. Neighborhoods with access to greenways or other multiuse paths are more desirable and with more. But - ask homeowners to approve a new path project - even a sidewalk - through or beside, and you'll get a resounding "NO".
@laurie7689
@laurie7689 3 месяца назад
Yes, we want to know who is coming and going from our neighborhoods. It provides us with more protection. It keeps kids safer.
@joricj57
@joricj57 3 месяца назад
In Europe, we would call these greenways out of town and pass-throughs or gap-in-the-walls in town. A common solution with busy roads is culverts or underpasses. You would be able to pass through on foot or by bike but not by car. it makes going to yer neighbour much easier and allows for easier mobility through the estate by means of local mobility without getting the traffic overrun. I know these don't solve the density problem, but it's putting a low-impact band aid on an existing problem. It is easy enough to create a pass-through through an estate
@mitchjohnson4714
@mitchjohnson4714 2 месяца назад
I'm not in this field, so forgive me if this has already been said a lot, but it's not just about getting people to "other" things. Those "other" things matter. In Nicaragua, like 1/10 people is running a little store out of their house. People don't need to go to their dentist every day, but having a store a couple houses down is really nice.
@Pystro
@Pystro 3 месяца назад
One thing I've noticed about trails is that they aren't all that well connected to the road networks around them either, at least in my city. Idea for another video?
@daviddavid5880
@daviddavid5880 3 месяца назад
Is this a trick question? I can get seriously lost in the maze of beige-house-lined burbs nearby, the nearest sidewalk is a mile away on a baking treeless stroad, and when there are bike lanes they are an insulting joke. Narrow and short. I grew up in a walkable old city and I find the burbs here seriously outright hostile. No sidewalks, no shade, no direct routes, no trains or trams or busses. If you can't afford an air-conditioned lux-pod, stay in the slums, cuz peasants are not welcome here.
@julietardos5044
@julietardos5044 3 месяца назад
One big problem with one or few access points (for driving) is that that's how many access points fire trucks and ambulances have too. If there's a big and spreading fire, an entire neighborhood can be at risk if multiple fire trucks can't physically get into the space quickly.
@tonyburzio4107
@tonyburzio4107 3 месяца назад
I was in San Diego when it mostly burned to the ground, nothing mattered. The biggest problem was the bureaucracy.
@highlorddarkstar
@highlorddarkstar 3 месяца назад
Emergency equipment is usually allowed to use pedestrian infrastructure for that purpose.
@julietardos5044
@julietardos5044 3 месяца назад
@@highlorddarkstar Allowed to and Can physically fit are two different things.
@highlorddarkstar
@highlorddarkstar 3 месяца назад
@@julietardos5044 true, but they do make smaller fire equipment than the American models.
@reckonerwheel5336
@reckonerwheel5336 3 месяца назад
Seeing that these maps, I can't help but think of where our friends and relatives live in relation to us these days. The suburbs are hardly a place you organically make friends as both an adult and youth -- the people you run into often enough to strike up a friendship, are people you meet through work/school, through mutual friends, clubs, and community activities, and these spaces, due to where they're located and their function, tend to attract people from a wider part of the city. Your friends wind up being a 10 min+ car ride away from you. These aren't spaces like a main street coffee shop, where there's a higher chance the people in there live in that neighbourhood. It leaves this strange situation where you have extremely few friendships with the people who are in walking distance from your residence. That's neither good or bad, but it does make socializing, something integral to our health, something that has to be pre-planned. You can't just randomly decide on a Saturday afternoon to walk a few blocks to a small coffee shop and see a couple people you know. There is no coffee shop, there is no people you know nearby.
@dmnddog7417
@dmnddog7417 3 месяца назад
The whole point of these types of neighborhoods is to keep people apart. If people get together, they may organize and revolt. We don't want that, do we?
@adamkeifenheim1727
@adamkeifenheim1727 3 месяца назад
Great video, and an excellent observation regarding access points.
@webbiess6
@webbiess6 3 месяца назад
I live in a suburb built in the 70s through to early 90s. Pretty good walability, with quite a few paths that make a winding street network into a straigh path network.
@andrijherasymenko
@andrijherasymenko 3 месяца назад
Suburbs were never good in the first place.
@kjh23gk
@kjh23gk 3 месяца назад
You mean car dependent suburbs. Plenty of suburbs are absolutely fine. Take what is referred to as "Metro-land" in NW London. Built in the first half of last century, they have great rail connections to the centre of London, all the shops and services you need within walking distance, mostly semi-detached houses with gardens, public amenities, etc. There is no reason a similar pattern couldn't be repeated elsewhere.
@vladtheimpalerofd1rtypajee316
@vladtheimpalerofd1rtypajee316 3 месяца назад
Better than Indian towns
@anti-carnistvegan
@anti-carnistvegan 3 месяца назад
Car dependent suburbs*
@Richthofen80
@Richthofen80 3 месяца назад
Streetcar suburbs are not so bad. Belmont, Massachusetts is a perfect example of a pretty good one with decent transit options. Yeah, some neighborhoods are cut off from commercial spots like bodegas due to zoning but for the most part even urbanism fans can appreciate them.
@TheScourge007
@TheScourge007 3 месяца назад
Hard disagree. Some of the nicest neighborhoods in Atlanta are old pre-car suburbs. All interconnected street grids, mixes of small commercial areas among a mix of housing types (from single family detached to low rise apartments), and with train connections. I personally prefer a good, well built up downtown to live in for where I'm at in life, but streetcar suburbs can be incredibly nice too.
@seanthiar
@seanthiar 2 месяца назад
There is not only the problem that suburbs are not connected for pedestrian and cyclists, but you have only houses. Allowing small businesses like a bakery, a barber, a mom&pop shop etc. inside the residential area or in a comfortable distance for a pedestrian removes the need for driving. For example having a street with limited speed (25mph) and a combined sidewalk/bike lane with a two buildings deep commercial area that builds the border to residential could be walkable from the residential side and still reachable by car. Building the street with trees on the side, bumps etc. would stop cars from speeding. Connect the commercial areas with pedestrian bridges and you are able to walk from one residential into the next crossing the road without danger. This commercial street could lead into an arterial road. Another USA problem are the stroads - getting rid of those things woulds make cities much more walkable. Stroads are death traps for pedestrians, cyclists and drivers.
@neil454
@neil454 3 месяца назад
Shared use paths connecting cul-de-sac neighborhoods is the perfect solution. People in the suburbs want space and quiet away from busy streets, so there will always be a demand there. If you do a future video, I'd recommend researching Columbia, MD and Reston, VA, which are very old master planned communities that have neighborhoods connected by a large trail network, very cool!
@The1stClassVillain
@The1stClassVillain 3 месяца назад
The county/suburbs are quiet and nice. Unlike the inner cities
@thedeathofme56
@thedeathofme56 3 месяца назад
They are like this because suburbanites are clogging up city streets during commutes. Cities aren't loud, cars are.
@Skyfire-x
@Skyfire-x 3 месяца назад
5:38 Roundabout! Yay!
@blueshellincident
@blueshellincident 3 месяца назад
Talk about zoning laws or you’re not talking about the problem in which case you’re not serious.
@nairbvel
@nairbvel 3 месяца назад
Almost none of the subdivisions in my area (the MD 'burbs of DC) are shaped like the ones in this video -- I think there are a lot of regional variations. Also, many of those "stubs" meant to connect to future roads are never connected due to the neighborhoods themselves trying to prevent it. My folks' house is 2 blocks from one such "stub" -- there's one street in their neighborhood that shares a name with a different street in another neighborhood that were supposed to be a single road, but there is now a permanent(?) break consisting of a county park, wetlands, and nature trail. This is because both neighborhoods mounted strong fights against connecting them because it would've formed a major passthru for traffic between two major roads. I'm sure this ind of thing happens frequently, sometimes due to "NIMBY" reactions but often as a way for neighborhoods to keep their suburban streets from becoming major thoroughfares. We also have several subdivisions nearby that either aren't on the local county Master Plan, or that violate it outright... and it's all legal because the part of the county government that creates & monitors the "Master Plan" is not able to enforce it, and the questions of zoning & development are actually the bailiwick of a different part of the county government.
@izzygcphoenix
@izzygcphoenix 3 месяца назад
"Cul-de-sacs are great for people who don't want cars zooming by their house." *immediately cuts to a cul-de-sac where cars zoom by everybody's houses*
@benpholmes
@benpholmes 3 месяца назад
Cul-de-sac subdivisions are great for NIMBYs, karens, and developers. The suburban street pattern is actually not only anti-pedestrian but also anti-car. You may ask, "Wait . . . how can that be??". It is because it is really designed to be against _other_ people's cars since people want their exclusivity and preventing so-called "cut-through" traffic. I personally think it's a misconception that today's development patterns are car-centric at the expense of being pedestrian oriented. Its lack of connectivity is worse for pedestrians *and* automobiles. The truth is: it's not pedestrian- vs. automobile-oriented development, but the kind that's friendly to both vs. _developer_-oriented development.
@BingBongFYaLife
@BingBongFYaLife 3 месяца назад
Do not advocate for shared use paths on abandoned railways! They’re graded linear paths that are perfect for building a new passenger rail network off of. W&OD in NOVA is the best example that a shared use path while great, robs the public of a quality passenger train line
@kjh23gk
@kjh23gk 3 месяца назад
Shared use paths on abandoned railway lines are a great way for preserving alignments that would otherwise be built on. Re-opening a line might not be possible now, but if it's sold, you'll never open the line.
@laurencefraser
@laurencefraser 3 месяца назад
Well, they're better than having the right of way sold off entirely. While it does make reestablishing the railway more difficult, it's nowhere near as big of an obsticle as if the whole strip has been choped up into seperate titles and built over. Obviously the railway is better still, but in many places convincing the relevant entities to actually do anything about that is something of a pipe dream.
@kjh23gk
@kjh23gk 3 месяца назад
@@laurencefraser Yes, one near me (The Borders Railway) was closed in 1969, and was reopened with great success in 2015. The greatest expense was overcoming the parts that had been built on (mainly for car infrastructure).
@Ecapsora
@Ecapsora 2 месяца назад
Catwalks (what we call pedestrian paths that cut between houses in my area) make a huge difference in how accessible a subdivision is. There were three developers who bought the subdivisions in my neighborhood and one of them put in catwalks to connect the loops and cul de sacs to desirable points like parks, schools, and arterial streets. I'm lucky enough to live in one of those subdivisions and it's so much more easier to walk around and bike through than the others nearby.
@ThomRealEstate-k1y
@ThomRealEstate-k1y 3 месяца назад
Great story one of things that happened in the early 1950s was that houses changed from being made to lived in to being made to be sold quickly. This is shown by the rampant gooeyness of the sales prospectuses. Two stand out,first is calling the houses,homes and the second are the lamest names given to the developments.
@swedneck
@swedneck 3 месяца назад
the cul-de-sac with multi-use paths is standard "suburban" design here in sweden, and it's absolutely a good model, and it's such a trivially simple fix to existing cul-de-sacs!
@Comradez
@Comradez 3 месяца назад
But it requires some at least minimal trust of strangers. We don’t have that in the US. There is the fear that the wrong kinds of people might use the foot/bike path and get opportunities to commit opportunistic crimes towards your property or your kids
@RandomerFellow
@RandomerFellow 3 месяца назад
For me as a Scandinavian, it's just depressing to see pictures of American suburbs. Primarily because of my fond memories from childhood. For example, I walked to school with a classmate who lived down the street from me when I was 8 years old. There were always things to explore along the 1 mile walk. And after the walk home when school ended, you quickly ate the food mom served and then went out to play with friends. And there were plenty of shortcuts between the houses.
@MrC0MPUT3R
@MrC0MPUT3R 3 месяца назад
I tried to use the light rail to visit a friend in Highlands Ranch in the south part of the Denver metro yesterday. I rode an eScooter from my apartment to the station near me, then planned to ride it from the station nearest his place (the Mineral station on the D line if you know the area.) It was supposed to be a 3 mile ride, but the single trail that "conveniently" took me to his place was closed. I had to turn around and take a huge circuitous detour of about 7 miles because none of the roads had sidewalks let alone bike lanes. My scooter died about half way there and I got to experience just how *shit* suburbs are for anyone outside a car. I finally arrived about 2.5 hours later. No wonder everyone complains about how bad the traffic is. You literally can't get anywhere without driving. Highlands Ranch is a relatively new development founded in 1981; the newest ones up by the airport that are being built now are even worse. The traffic is so bad getting to them that they've now started a two year project to widen the highway going to the airport Suburbs are definitely getting worse in the Denver metro.
@skyhappy
@skyhappy 3 месяца назад
How good is the light rail?
@zz449944
@zz449944 3 месяца назад
To find out if lack of access points are a problem, ask Police, Fire, Ambulance Services, and delivery companies and also trash haulers. Aside from the residents, all these other entities have to deal with the mess of disconnected suburban road networks. The amount of wasted time and motor fuels to get from one place to another is probably staggering, if it could be measured. And in the case of emergencies it adds too much potential for delays that threaten life and property. Where does production AGRICULTURE fit into all of this?? Why do we have to completely give up active farms to build friggin houses?? Farmers Markets have limits on how beneficial they are for farmers and patrons -- mostly they are a huge waste of time for farmers. It would be far more efficient to have neighborhood farms that people could walk or bike to. On-Farm sales are better for farmers and can be year-round 7 days a week versus a once-a-week seasonal events that get ruined on poor weather days. I think it is stoopid to force out farmers in order to pave over their formerly productive land to build stoopid housing developments. Production Agriculture CAN and SHOULD co-exist with neighborhoods. Living next to a fruit orchard or a farm field or even grazing land is not so bad -- I know I would prefer that to neighbor's homes. I have predicted for many years that someday, we are gonna be bulldozing housing developments to regain farmland, tho nowadays it might be more true that we are gonna rip out solar farms after they fail to regain the farmland. Housing Developments built on good, precious, productive farm lands really makes my blood boil. Build your silly houses among forests and hilly land and leave the farm land to produce FOOD.
@zz449944
@zz449944 3 месяца назад
Also, where are the small local retail establishments within these Cul-De-Sac nightmare neighborhoods?? Does everyone have to drive 8 miles to the nearest gas station or 20 miles to the nearest church or school? Mixed use zoning within development zones should be prioritized.
@arrvidcarlson8107
@arrvidcarlson8107 3 месяца назад
I live in Raleigh. If your featured "representative neighborhood" had more than a passing resemblance to a gated community, ding, ding ding you win a prize. The whole point is to limit access, not expand it. I suggest you rerun your sample data and only count the as build road connections, you'll be shocked and likely appalled. If you have a filter to include club houses with a pool that will make the findings even more convincing. Good luck. [edit] A new park is planned just up the road, it will connect with existing green space but will explicitly not connect with residential neighborhoods, except by car.
@darklelouchg8505
@darklelouchg8505 3 месяца назад
Gated communities should be looked into more honestly. People seem to completely ignore security/safety considerations in their overviews.
@pcatful
@pcatful 2 месяца назад
We live in a town with cul-de-sacs from the 70’s. Not that cul-de-sacs are always that good, but we have no problem walking around here. We can always find a route that is quiet and pleasantly developed. The downside is if we want to go to some major shopping or transit areas we have to go on the few busy through streets. This is less desirable but not that bad in our town. To get to the big box stores on the edge of town is not optimized-people usually take their cars. There are also paths that cut through in natural planted green belts. Better local transit would be a help. There’s no way to reasonably grab a short ride.The transit is only good for leaving town.
@jadedrealist
@jadedrealist 3 месяца назад
"I'm old but even I wasn't born in 1980" I feel attacked! Lol.
@DrIcchan
@DrIcchan 3 месяца назад
"I'm old, but even I wasn't born 1980" - Ouch, I felt that.
@pensivepenguin3000
@pensivepenguin3000 3 месяца назад
Yeah, really not a fan of the casual ageism. We want these spaces to be inclusive for people of all ages, because the more people who learn about and champion good urbanism, the better our cities and towns become
@SlugSage
@SlugSage 3 месяца назад
I feel it when I need to put my birth date into a system and I have to scroll more than once now.
@genosreviews252
@genosreviews252 3 месяца назад
As much as urbanists love to hate on Houston, they have some of the most walkable suburbs I’ve ever seen. Fairfield in Cypress is a great example. All of their culdesacs are connected with multi use trails that lead to stores, parks, schools, etc. The Woodlands is another great example, it’s basically what I just described but 44 square miles. There are plenty of new areas like this going up too, indigo in Richmond, and Riceland in Mont Belviue just to name a few.
@slizzysluzzer
@slizzysluzzer 3 месяца назад
Houston has no zoning laws which creates a development culture far less suited to NIMBYism. The flock of hypocrites in this comments section would screech if they actually had to live it since it means their ability to protest the presence of the poors and the minorities and the industrial warehouses would be far more limited in practice.
@jps0117
@jps0117 3 месяца назад
I got out of the U.S. 21 years ago and have no regrets. This is one small reason among many. I fear the U.S. is irredeemable.
@Ledpooplin55
@Ledpooplin55 3 месяца назад
Look out everyone, real cool guy here
@tj3952
@tj3952 3 месяца назад
Coming from Japan, I still find it surprising that here the norm is to own a car for commuting and to stock up on groceries weekly to sustain oneself and family for extended periods. As for the urban landscape, subdivisions are shrinking as traditional farmlands because generally those are passed down through generations and are sold to private developers. These developers adhere to laws and regulations to satisfy local codes while maximizing profits from homebuyers who value privacy in their neighborhoods. One of my neighbors frequently posts camera footage on the next-door app, inquiring about strangers on her lawn every time she spots one. Cul-de-sacs, while common, prove to be impractical, inefficient, and not environmentally sound, highlighting a peculiar double standard among suburban homebuyers.
@anubizz3
@anubizz3 2 месяца назад
Japanese owning car for commuting rare? Then why it's no 29 in the world with 661 car per capita? Japan have one of the best public transport in the world that for sure and Their bike implementation in my opinion better that Netherlands.. But it's still a car loving country( nothing wrong with that since it have great PT ).
@justhere4637
@justhere4637 3 месяца назад
4:57 Why is a Pokemon in the bottom right corner?
@AMPProf
@AMPProf 3 месяца назад
Omg it's gonna steal ya Soul kidz run awayyyyy. Pokemon you gots pokemons trade or apps LOLZ
@justhere4637
@justhere4637 3 месяца назад
@@AMPProf What?
@psymi-hk1fp
@psymi-hk1fp 3 месяца назад
it's pathetic this form of development is not outlawed already
@peepa47
@peepa47 3 месяца назад
The paths are really good for walkability, but I think the biggest problem is zoning. Because you dont visit other peoples house everyday, but you have to buy food everyday. So if in every subdivision you had a mini market and a restaurant, people could walk there, some of them could work there. Same with other services, my mechanic has a repair shop attached to his house and dont have to commute anywhere. And people who live close can just drive 5 minutes for tyre change or repair. That eliminates a lot of car journeys on transit roads.
@bluestatepaine
@bluestatepaine 3 месяца назад
You don’t have to buy food every day. Refrigerators exist
@thawhiteazn
@thawhiteazn 3 месяца назад
I could see loops and cul-de-sacs being ok for walkability IF they only prevent car traffic from going through. If you required pass throughs that allow people walking or biking to go through easily while still blocking car traffic.
@GoranXII
@GoranXII 3 месяца назад
Down here in NZ, shared-use paths aren't universal but have been common enough since at least the 70s. In some journeys, it's almost as quick to walk as to drive because of it.
@stringlarson1247
@stringlarson1247 3 месяца назад
I'd love to see a 'happiness index' for suburbs, etc. in the US.
@pipe2devnull
@pipe2devnull 3 месяца назад
Born in 1980 . Pffft!
@ZadieBear
@ZadieBear 3 месяца назад
Ok, so then how do we get the cities to change their code? It seems most small cities are about 10-15 years behind the times. And how can we get developers to push for more access points and a higher walkability?
@PromenadeMTL
@PromenadeMTL 3 месяца назад
As an "older person", born before the 1980s. I think the pattern for these subdivision is based on the mobility of residents. This seems to be a US phenomena. People move when they attend college. When they graduate they move to where the jobs are. New subdivisions usually are in newer suburbs. Taxes are lower and the house/lot to mortgage ratio is desirable. If you want to solve the problem force the amalgamation of suburbs with the adjacent cities. Only then will you see a rightsizing of the costs for the new suburb that would dissuade the construction of these kinds of subdivisions.
@marcadiadd5681
@marcadiadd5681 3 месяца назад
10:22 I am very familiar with that neighborhood in West Sacramento. While the trails connecting culs-de-sac are nice, the neighborhood itself is just single family homes, linked only to an arterial, removed from commercial areas, and limited bike paths. Also the sidewalks around that school should be wider to accommodate the flood of kids before and after school. Parents driving should also have a better drop off zone that doesn’t require driving that deep into the neighborhood. Bottom line… the paths are a step in the right direction for connectivity, but taken as a whole, not ideal.
@TommyJonesProductions
@TommyJonesProductions 3 месяца назад
The suburbs should not exist. They are unsustainable and soulless.
@TommyJonesProductions
@TommyJonesProductions 3 месяца назад
@@castorcarvi - Fine. Pay for it yourself instead of mooching off the cities.
@TommyJonesProductions
@TommyJonesProductions 3 месяца назад
@@castorcarvi - renter? I own my condo in the city. I think you're just mad because you can't afford to live in civilization, so you have to be dependent on a car for every trip. Sucks to be you.
@kjh23gk
@kjh23gk 3 месяца назад
@@castorcarvi You're happy living in car dependent suburbia and yet you subscribe to an urbanist channel? Hmmm🤔
@szymex22
@szymex22 3 месяца назад
No they should definietly exist because having a home always gives greater comfort, independence and quality of life. They just need to be improved a little to have more small shops near people, and more bike/foot connectivity to them. Add some rail transit and park and ride lots to that to avoid excessive commuter traffic.
@anti-carnistvegan
@anti-carnistvegan 3 месяца назад
​@@castorcarviyour lifestyle is subsidized
@paulsmith8510
@paulsmith8510 3 месяца назад
I will say that housing developments sucks. I am from New Hampshire/New England. We have them, but we have far more older dense grid neighborhoods. I was just in Florida and having to get in and out of my brother's housing development was driving me INSANE!
@armandosoares6196
@armandosoares6196 3 месяца назад
People are preferring get inside bedroom and see the neighborhood through the surveillance camera
@johnmorrison2701
@johnmorrison2701 3 месяца назад
i grew up in a suburb and i always hated the American suburbs. when my parents passed away i moved into my city of Syracuse New York. i love the traditional old fashioned city grid layout plus sidewalks and traditional style houses. With front porches and tree lined streets. the American suburban landscape really sucks. i would never move into a modern American suburb ever
@jorgemontero6384
@jorgemontero6384 3 месяца назад
Calculating per acre isn't all the good when we are comparing subdivisions that have different lot sizes, as you clearly saw in your pictures. Given that changing of lot sizes is basically impossible in a world of HOAs, The right unit is the residential lot. So the way I see it, what your picture shows is that the design is basically the same, and walkability is only marginally increased if there is a nearby business in walking distance of the subdivision. I live in a"walkable" 60s, subdivision, not because the streets are well connected (they aren't), or because there are many outside connections (4, 2 of which just point to useless subdivisions with no amenities), but because two of those connections lead straight into useful strip malls, and an elementary school. So while I see avantages in subdivision reform, I think that just avoiding enough adjacent subdivisions without commercial is probably more effective. The subdivision might be easy to traverse, but what if there's nothing next to it? Basically every disaster subdivision I know involves such a patchwork of residential subdivisions with nowhere to go.
@playlist5455
@playlist5455 3 месяца назад
10:28 That picture looks like big chunks of neighborhoods in Calgary. Was always fun knowing the local trails that kept you away from the cars.
@grayisgood
@grayisgood 3 месяца назад
You weren't born in 1980, you're not old. Probably a 7 year old will believe that you're old.
@ItsAVolcano
@ItsAVolcano 3 месяца назад
There's a neighborhood in my home city like this, worse they actually put up locked gates blocking the few connection paths. Ostensibly they are supposed to be left open during the day, but in practice they are almost always closed.
@jumbowana
@jumbowana 3 месяца назад
Ok, I'm halfway through this. Are you paid by burglars or rapists or something? You can't think of why we don't want walking paths behind our homes or 15 different entrances?
@benedekhalda-kiss9737
@benedekhalda-kiss9737 3 месяца назад
Have you heard of an invention called a fence?
@VanillaMacaron551
@VanillaMacaron551 3 месяца назад
The rest of us cope.
@profjonb6944
@profjonb6944 3 месяца назад
I dont think any of those people care if there's a walking path or not.
@stephanie1460
@stephanie1460 Месяц назад
The crazy thing is that you can build footpaths, and suburbanites will find any reason to hate something that isn't car centric. My cousins lived in an incredibly affluent neighborhood that had a bike path that ran along the backyards of the houses and made for easy connection to shops on the arterial road. They ended up selling their house because they didn't like that people on the bike path could look into their yard. They felt like people on foot/bikes might try to break into their home, while apparently people in cars wouldn't do such a thing. Its wild.
@palantir135
@palantir135 3 месяца назад
Bicycle highways are being created in the Netherlands. There’s one from Breda to Tilburg to Waalwijk.
@mariusvanc
@mariusvanc 3 месяца назад
There should totally be footpaths and bikepaths all over those cul-de-sac suburbs.
@TravisMcMurray
@TravisMcMurray 3 месяца назад
I lived in the city for the first 23 years of my life. I only moved to the suburbs when I got married. After 13 years and a divorce, I moved to a somewhat rural county because I was tired of both the noise of the city and the big vinyl box houses on postage stamp lots in the suburbs. The trade off is that I’m now 15-20 minutes from anything other than a grocery store or gas station. I don’t know what the answer is, but I work from home and don’t really go anywhere, so hopefully I’m at least doing enough to reduce my carbon footprint.
@b_uppy
@b_uppy 3 месяца назад
Except more intersections means more paving, less greenspace, which is also problematic.
@Lucas-jb8ur
@Lucas-jb8ur 3 месяца назад
Raleigh mentioned Raleigh mentioned!! As a new construction sales person for a national builder in the Raleigh area it is fair to say a lot of neighborhoods are built along stroads and other high speed roads. Connectivity is not very sought after and the emphasis on cul de sac’s are meant to give homeowners a maximized private experience at the detriment of other development.
@glypnir
@glypnir 3 месяца назад
I think walkability is not the best term. The real trick is making walking more desirable than diving. A healthy human can walk in an amazing array of places. I lived in a subdivision in Rosemont, IL that had only two access points. It was hemmed in by superhighways and railroad tracks with only two access points. I like walking, so I walked from there to the forest preserves and other subdivisions. I even walked into O’Hare airport in the snow. But all that took lots of gumption. I lived 3/4 mile from work, but I never walked there. It wasn’t pleasant, especially in the winter. And the car was easy. The new suburbs have simpler plans and more intersection density primarily because of the cost of infrastructure, and in some places, the cost of land. But as others have pointed out, they’re typically far from work and shopping, which are the two places we mostly go to. They’re also far from restaurants, entertainment, fitness, beauty shops, spas, and everything else. And, like in Chicago, the weather is uncomfortable in a lot of cities in the US a lot of the time. Part of the problem with sprawl is shown by your map of a subdivision with rural land all around. All the commercial operations need lot of customers. If the customers are all spread out, it’s going to be a long way to any enterprise for most of them. So they’ll drive.
@elliotwilliams7421
@elliotwilliams7421 3 месяца назад
I disagree regarding work and shops being the places we go most. I shop once a week, not having a car would mean taking longer on each trip and having to do it at least twice a week. A lot of people work from home 2 or 3 days a week now and AI is taking over more and more jobs. Personally I like the division between work and home life. I wouldn't enjoy living so close to work and it would be worse if everyone stayed so close to work they walked. You'd see the same folk at work, gym, shops, park, cinema etc.......groundhog day. It's good to live away from shops, cinemas,etc they bring noise with deliveries starting at 1am, bot long after restaurants and bars empty out with people making a noise and littering the street, bins are filled with bottles rattling, which brings rodents, then staff turn up at 5.30 am, which means public transport runs from 4 am,......it's not pleasant at all. Yes peope drive places but not just cause its far away, cars allow yoi to carry more amd larger items, they allow you to have peace and quiet, drive exactly where you want, help people who are injured or ill,, loads of reasons, it's not just about shopping and work, far from it
@axelprino
@axelprino 3 месяца назад
In my country only gated neighborhoods have so few access points to the rest of the city, normal neighborhoods are almost always grids. I currently live in what could be considered a cul de sac but it happened accidentally because a renovation a decade ago severed the street from the avenue nearby when a park was constructed, I don't complain because it's nice having a park like 20 meters away from my house.
@Sebman1113
@Sebman1113 3 месяца назад
They are. The suburb I live in was built in the 70s, has many bike trails everywhere. This is not the case more recently
@bazoo513
@bazoo513 3 месяца назад
7:40 - I just wanted to say that. Keep cul-de-sacs for cars, but add pedestrian and bike paths. Crucial to that doing nay good is having basic amenities like kindergarten, primary school, gorceries/markets and public transit access within, say, 10 minute walk.
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