Are the US and China Decoupling? What are the Consequences for the Global Order? 

China is very insecure about America's incentive to crush any challenge to its global dominance, rightfully so based on the US's track record of dealing with the Euro and then Japan's economy. The once-successful model of Chimerica operates under the condition that China doesn't challenge the US economically, and then militarily and finally, geopolitics-wise, and now China has developed to the point where it has to do all that. The differences in modes of governance or ideologies and etc weren't the root cause of the Sino-US incompatibility, (the US and Saudi Arabia are quite compatible despite being nothing alike lol). China and America are not compatible because the Western prosperity comes from the US-led international order, this system cannot operate without 1): Dollar being the world's currency, 2): US having the world's most powerful military and 3): consequently the US having the greatest influence, anywhere, even outside the West. Meanwhile, China's rise cannot be accommodated without breaking all three of those conditions, at least regionally (i.e. in Asia). At the moment this system is applied to the entire globe, reason why less than a quarter of the world's population (the entire West combined) are enjoying more than 3/4 of the world's wealth, and consuming an out-of-proportionally large amount of resources in the process. From China's PoV this system is inherently unjust, having roughly five times the population, they should be at least just-as-powerful as the US, if not much more. Having a long history of being the regional hegemon has only strengthened that belief. The rise of China requires the US to step down as the world's sole superpower, this will inevitably render the current US-led system inoperable (without the technological superiority, military supremacy and financial dominance, resources (natural as well as human resources) will stop flowing to the West from the rest of the world), therefore the US has every incentive to stop that from happening. The world's resources cannot support 1.4 Billion Chinese (nevermind all 7.5 Billion human beings on earth) to live the same luxury life 300 Million Americans are currently living, one has to compromise if the other one wants to be its equal. It's not strictly a zero-sum game but the interest of every Chinese people is directly at odds with the West's, this is beyond ideology and beyond politics.

He said engagement is a ‘two-way street’. While he spoke about the challenge from China, he failed to speak about the intervene of China’s internal affairs from the United States, which lead to the insecurity of the CCP. That’s why the CCP tried to build its own order. As he said, ‘two-way street’, this kind of disengagement and distrust comes for decades before Trump that both sides have responsibilities. He also said China should be, if not friend, at least not enemy. That only works when both sides restrained themselves from trying to change other’s system. The US was clearly more guilty on this part, as he said ‘call me arrogant’. He said the problem is that China cannot get rid of the CCP. But look at Russia, they got rid of the Communist, does Putin and Russia become more friendly to the US? Although I spoke a lot against his words, I do respect his great works on Sino-US relationship and I can see his great disappointment on this topic. That kind of sense of failure can only exist from a man that really have love and enthusiasm for his career. I hope he would have a chance to come to Chicago one day to make another speech.

Yifan Tang: Your message forgets one important fact: Chinese people are trying every means possible to enter and stay in US. Chinese women, in particular, have been trying to give birth in US so their children can be US citizens. The police raids these so called "After Birth Facility" run by other Chinese in different US cities, even the US territory in the Pacific, constantly. The Great Chinese Mother Land obviously is not great enough for these Chinese to stay. I've never heard of Americans doing everything trying to stay in China, certainly no "After Birth Facility" for American women found in any Chinese city. This simple fact speaks volume. Don't you agree?

There are many western 'China expert' giving inaccurate accounts and interpertation on China. They share the typical perception on China, like it or not, a negative rather than objective one.

The speaker talk as one side view, the facts is China is rising fast and almost wanna to take over the global order and US model is failing. China model work pretty well and moving faster than expected. Both Taiwan and HK are domestic affairs and none of US business.

The policy of engagement was actually a policy of buckpassing to check the Soviets. Kissinger was a realist and this strategy was not a bad one at the time. Can't say I agree with Kissinger on other things too like Iraq. However, the lecturer did not fully take into account the balance of power as a reason of US-China relations deteriorating. This is the REAL reason why engagement doesn't make sense anymore. The lecturer is using the language of progressive liberals saying China does not embrace democracy and international institutions, but the real reason why America is wary of China is because they were becoming more powerful. It usually boils down to realpolitik in the end. This time around, the liberals are working together with the realists since you can't spread democracy willy nilly when it's a multipolar world. The realists, on the other hand, simply don't want a peer competitor. This is a significant shift in thinking, and it's due to the structure of the world changing. America's goal is to be the only regional hegemon since that's the best way to survive. A multi-polar world is not acceptable since that produces more opportunities of war, and conflicts of interest in each other's side of the world. Now will engagement make sense anymore for USA? If engagement means managing a balancing coalition against China (or buckpassing to the minor powers), then yes, it would make sense. By the way, we can take another example of engagement with South Korea, but here, South Korea does not have the population to become a peer competitor like China. That's when such a policy still makes sense, but its real name is buckpassing.

The history of America is filled with couplings and decouplings and this one is no different than all previous 'decouplings'. Typically, it is due to America no longer getting what it wants out of the relationship. To put the blame on Xi Jin Ping is akin to putting blame on Putin when America 'decoupled' from Russia post-Yeltsin. Or the Ayatollah post-Shah, or even King George at the time of Independence. It is an American trait that the global order has gotten used to.

I agree that the two countries are going towards diverged paths, but the speaker made an assumption that only the American way is the correct way, and china is ought to follow the path, that's a big assumption, look what the US had done in Iraq, Afganistan, and Iran. why they still cannot realize that the western political system is not the universal solution for all the countries?

The old gringo married the young lady believing it could mold her in a perfect trophy wife ( something he already did before). But it turnout she was a clever gold digger biding her time, saying all the right things but in the shadows taking all his assets. And now she wants the divorce... ---> Be attuned to the next episodes this decade

1:09:35 - "I don't know whether we should forever retire the engagement strategy..." The only thing Americans need to retire is this notion that everyone else must adopt their economic & political system, or become an enemy of the US. This American ideological fanaticism is the biggest threat to world peace.

You don't go into a marriage believing you can change your partner. To have a successful marriage, you have to respect and accept your partner's values and beliefs. If we were naive in believing that we can change China, it was our own conceit. Unlike South Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, etc., we couldn't change China by imposing our liberal hegemony and affecting a regime change. So, we now seek a nasty divorce by decoupling our economic ties and waging a second cold war. We can blame China for all of our country's ills but if we don't look inwards and engage in genuine reforms, these measures won't prevent China from overtaking us economically.

There's an assumption here that a "democratic" China would not want to establish hegemony over -- at least -- its own region. The US did that with respect to Latin America. Further, it actively worked against the British system of empire preferences. Unfortunately, China is just a normal power.

When we grown up and step into working place, the very first lesson always include "don't assume", there are ways how things run. Naive will cause you out of the business.

Progress & Success are the Roots of All Hatreds !! NEVER NEVER NEVER DO WELL ... and you will keep friends :)

It is said that it was America that funded the students in Tiananmen Square through Hong Kong. Nowadays, those students who had once fled to America from Tiananmen Square remain silent about all the riots going on in Hong Kong, because they are mature and rational enough to be able to realize the ulterior motive behind the riots and behind their movement back in Tiananmen square Square 30 years ago.

if you are not in Love with your partner anymore, then get a divorce. You can always remain friends...

He may know a lot about China and Asia, but he does not bare the Chinese people mentality. He views things from American eyes.

Had me laughing at “elixir of American democracy” hahahah

At the initial stage of elevation of Biden Administration, the tone of de-coupling with China was the priority of which EU and the five eyes have come together to group together. European Union chairmanship under Germany decided to move out knowing the fact that its export of automobiles could be affected as the sales volume is extremely big over the years. It is a wise move in view of the fact that free trade can only improve its economy for the country.

There is no doubt that China and USA are moving more and more away from one another and that they will in the near future be decoupling. The most important question that should be addressed is therefore: Which of the two countries, namely, China and USA, is more prepared for the decoupling of their economies? Currently, China is dependent on the US for two things: the US is a major market for Chinese products, and the US is a major supplier of high tech products for China. However, China is now implementing two major projects, namely, the Belt and Road Initiative and the Made in China 2025. With the steady progress of the Belt and Road Initiative, China will be less and less dependent on the US as a market. In three to five years’ time, China will not need the US as a market. As the Made in China 2025 matures, China will not only be self-sufficient in high tech products but will also be a major supplier of high tech products to the World. This means that China will not rely on US high tech products at all. For the US, the matter is different. Currently, China is supplying more than 500 billion dollars of consumer products to the US. Which country or countries will supply the US after the decoupling? Many people have named Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh and India as major replacing suppliers? But, will they be able to supply 500 billion dollars of products within three to five years’ time? Presently, they are supplying less than 100 billion dollars of goods to the US and they are all participating in the Belt and Road Initiative. Their supply to China and other partners of the Initiative will grow rapidly, fuelled by better connectivity, and by an increase in the purchasing power of China and the other participants of the Initiative. It is most likely that they will not increase significantly their supply to the US. The US will then have to rely on its local production and on Mexico and Canada, its two partners of the USMCA. The US is currently selling more than one hundred billion dollars of goods to China, mostly, agricultural products and high tech products. After the decoupling, where will the US sell its agricultural and high tech products? While China will be purchasing soy beans, corn and wheat from Russia, Brazil and Africa, the US will not be able to sell great quantities of these products to other countries. As for the high tech products, since China will become a major supplier of the same products, the US will have to rely mostly on its own market. All in all, it seems that China is prepared to face the decoupling challenge while the US has no idea what it will be facing after the decoupling.

Hard to listen to. The American century is coming to an end and the world is going in a different direction, I think trump is just accelerating the process.

I see the decoupling will make enormous opportunities for European companies and Japanese companies, it has already started. China will increasingly open up to the outside world, and who wants to neglect 1.4b market except US? The truth is whichever US company excludes itself from China either Boeing or Apple would never be able to claim to be No.1 company in the world.

Mr.: if you believe what Xi does didn't get a nod from Jiang Zemin, you are so wrong!

Take a lesson from network theory : A single point of failure (SPOF) is a potential risk posed by a flaw in the design... Don't just move the center get rid of it .... distribute manufacturing across nations not just to the cheapest.

World economics groups include Euro-middle Asian, Indo-pacific, BRICS .......

One way to kill a conversation is, " you have stolen my property" but not offer any proof of the theft. Worst, when you also have stolen many properties yourself and well documented in history. 😳

this should have been done in the 90s

The irony here is that Chinese relationships with most of other countries are pretty good. Go figure.

It seemed like China should challenge US bully all the way no matter the consequences .. Even though Chinese trying to avoid the collision by giving in to the American this time but they will come back and demand for more the next time so no end to it.. There must be a breaking point and it will come sooner or later... Let hope it would not end up in the military conflict but it seems like unavoidable as US keep on playing the dangerous game in South China Sea ...

1. Most Asian nations and peoples have histories that are at least three thousand years old, and they're typically ethnicity homogeneous. Thus, our cultures are extremely developed and cultivated. 2. The US is a young nation, and it's ethnically diverse. Most US citizens are multi-generational Americans, thus they've lost their cultural roots from the old world. 3. It's tough for Americans to understand Asian politics b/c of the lack of any general cultural understanding. 4. The PRC wants to revert back to the world order where the Middle Kingdom was the only "legitimate" civilization destined to rule earth with all other peoples on the planet having supposed to pay tribute to the Han Chinese civilization. 5. Regardless of the PRC's current political structure, they just want to see the whole world kowtow to Han Chinese people, much how like the Japanese thought they were the "superior" race and civilization during the first half of the 20th Century...

on the taiwan issue, i think one of the official comment is taiwan only have to admit they are a self govern state of china, and everything else remains the same. the most likely conflict that might happen between US and china is the south china sea, where china will be touching the global control of US.

Despite his deep and profound study of Chinese history, there is something missing in Dr. Orville Schell’s understanding of China. Which is: China feels she has 5000 years of history. She wants to be rich without adopting America’s democracy. China looks at different America’s attempts to make others like herself like Arab Spring, the Iraqi War, Afghan War, Libyan War, Gorbachev adoption of American democracy -- all colossal tragic failures. China feels we can be friends without your friends adopting your political system.

From this old man's speech I can see that he is only capable of seeing things from US perspective, rather than analyze such a complicated topic from both US and China's perspectives. If you can realize that U.S. has been behind almost every conflicts in the world during the past half centry, invading dozens of countries, ruin tens of millions of people's lives in other counties for maintaining US interests, you will understand why China doesn't trust US and the mutual relationship is rapidly getting worse. Btw, US is behind Hongkong riot. The only reason why US is doing that is US is trying to mess up China just like what he has been doing in the rest of the world. US is afraid that China will take its place. This is the only reason and everyone in the world can see except American people, thanks for the U.S. Media and people like this old man who is telling all kinds of lies to fool US people. I have to say that Trump is the greatest US president ever. He make Chinese people eventually give up the finally little fantasy of US. He successfully make the whole world see the true face of US. He is definitely speeding up the fall of US and this is what exactly China would love to see. The funny thing is when US points its fingers to others, he never feels any shame of its double standards. US's falling is inevitable because there are too many people in the U.S. Like this old man.

(3) The irony of the situation is that China's rise, altho very real, is -- like most historical cycles -- temporary. By the end of the 21st Century, the population of North America will equal China's (decreasing) population. So from the point of view of market power, it's a situation which will reverse itself. Further, if they can keep it, the democratic system prevailing in Europe, the Americas, Japan, S Korea, Australia, India will have an insurmountable demographic edge over China. The world isn't going to adopt China's "system". So there can be a policy of restraining, containing, objecting, etc., etc., that constrains, perhaps, some presumed Chinese "arrogance".

The current world is not bipolar, but getting a multipolar world.

How did he become a professor in such an esteemed University with such a shallow understanding of what is going on. He is just like any ordinary Americans laying the blame at China’s feet for the strained relationship. Did he even reflect on what US did to cause China to change from a benign outlook to one of deep suspicion on the west and especially on US intention? Did he realise the effect of the bombing of Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999? Or when Clinton send two aircraft carriers battled groups into the Taiwan straits in 1996 in a show of strength and to humiliate China? Obviously he is only stating the American narrative.

awesome talk!

Wonderful talk, thanks

The most ridiculous question is about the Hong Kong for choir now see you at eight in the British behind the whole damn thing

Orville Schell claimed the root problem between United States and China is the different political system. United States supposed to be Capitalist, liberal, democratic with rule of law. China criticised as Communist, repressive. Can Orville then explain why United States has counted amongst its friends, Saudi Arabia, a country though not Communist, certainly not liberal and democratic and repression of its citizens common. Further, United State’s recent promotion of friendly relation with Vietnam, a country under communist rule similar to China, certainly add more doubt to Orville’s theory. It is obvious from the above that political system is not the root problem but technological and economical dominance is. As the gap between China and Unites Stated closes, the Americans are not comfortable and start taking action to slow down China. But first, the administration needs to demonise China to mould public opinion. That’s where claims on IP theft, “forced” transfer of technology, trade deficit etc are repeated over and over again so as to subtly instill hatred of China in the minds of the public in America. (Remember Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq !!)

The set of friend/ally not get later abandoned or screwed up by the US: {}

In China, the most important title is the head of Arm Forces Commission. Deng back then had the title.

Put in blank language, “US color revolution failed, so let’s get tough.” USA waited for another Gorbachev, but comes another Mao, modernized. Then on opposite side, Trump is here.

Xi Jinping is not as colorful as his processors of Mao, Deng and Jiang, and he is simply following Deng's teaching: "Signal left turn right". Talk noble communism but practice capitalism.

China should bar this professor to visit China.

37:17 Senkakul Islands, really?

Why should the Americans have the thinking that it's civilization is better than the other, the Chinese have there own civilization and that's what makes them Chinese, the U S need to have respect to others. Colonization brought lots suffering to many countries around the world. If we are friends let our friendship be respectful don't do anything that you want me to change my ways of life be who you're and let me be who I'm. You have not talked about the U S economy which is growing at 2% to the Chinese which is at 6% who is doing better and also remember the U S is 23 trillion dollar debt and the manufacturering is already in recession.

"Greek tragedy" on the part of the US. It's the Americans who are missing the boat. Of course the Americans won't understand what I am talking about unless they have a chance to peek into the future 50 years down the road. On the other hand, I totally understand professor Orville's nostalgic attachment to a 40+ year relationship that has supplied endless aphrodisiac to the aged life of the American empire. As the saying goes, all good things must come to an end and even the best of friends must part. Problem with bottom-line style thinking is that it precludes every other individual‘s right to having their own thinking process, ie. you become a passive listener (captive) to his (Mearsheimer's) overwhelming theory. And it is this very Academic Hedgemoney that is trying to distract History from its Right course. Looking back at the history of the West against the backdrop of monotheism, one starts to realize how our world has become what it is today. This will no longer continue b/c we now have China who is a large enough wild card, as you Westerners call it

Lol, last few questions, she really slowed things down rather than sped it up by having to repeat each question a few times in a more wordy way than the original.

"China didn't do exactly what we expected or what we wanted, bad, bad China. Naughty China."

The past is nothing .selfishness count

This smug condescension is a big reason we have our current president

What a spin! Pls look at China from China's perspective rather than your own upbringing and western ideals! China was poor and weak when Nixon agreed to help open up China as an ally and helped China because of the USSR so u got it partly correct but u didnt want to face the facts that China 30-40 years ago was really a 3rd world country. Now China is moving at a pace so fast that they have overtaken the US in some key technological areas that is the ONLY reason the US is concerned about! Because in the next 5-10 years China will have taken the lead in at least 50% of the technology lead of the world! Go study Chinese history to understand better about how Chinese people was ruled. From China's 4k years history u can see bright spots where good and just rulers that care about the people and takecare of the people have brought great happiness and contentment to the Chinese people, followed by periods of bad rulers and than overthrow of these rulers by the people! Its a cycled repeated over 4k years. China is communist in name and the system now has some similarities to the old imperialistic scholarly system but with significant changes. Basically it is this new systems of how China breed and train and promote their new leader will be how China can survive for the next century. Xi can not rule forever he is also mortal and for China to survive after Xi is the next generation of leaders have to be trained, tested and qualified to takeover the rule of 1.4 billion people. So imho China is now at a critical phase to ensure the survival of China and the CCP. If I am not mistaken, Xi's philosophy is for the CCP's rule as the mandate of the people vs the Old Chinese Emperor's rule under the mandate of heaven. I think mandate of the people will be long lasting as the people will ultimately determine the fate of the CCP!

From [46:45] to [52:00] On coming crisis and confrontation. Hong Kong is now a poster child of political opposition. There will be a reaction from Beijing.

The population of Hong Kong is only 0.5% of the total population of China and contributes only 3% of total GDP. Hong Kong Rioter: If we burn you burn with us China: No, if you burn, YOU burn

I think wealth transfer has happened 😏We are now waiting the full repercussion of it. Some of the fallout is homelessness we seeing and it will continue unless Christ come.

Even CCP is a party, but just like in US, there are two sides, lift and right. Mao is in the lift while Deng/ and two after him are the right. Maybe cus of three were on the right side, China comes up with one on the lift today. I don't think the game is over.

why don’t you change your corrupted system.

To many ignorant Americans, engagement between China and the US entails the idea that China must transform its political system ...must become Americanized ..must adopt the messy form of democracy. To most Chinese, engagement means China will be open to doing business with the world (and with the US) under the WTO rules. WTO rules DO NOT stipulate that China MUST become a democracy. Countries with DIFFERENT political systems (including Russia )... ...are WTO members. Americans leaders are WRONG if they expect China to become Americanized. China has the sovereign rights ...to have its own system of governance. ( a better system which made China the second strongest economy in the world.) If the US is adamant on decoupling relationships with China...it is the US prerogative. Decoupling may or may not stop the rise of China...but it will definitely destroy the world economy, including the US economy. US economic experts warned that a US recession is imminent ( if Trump failed to make a deal with China soon.) The speaker demonized Xi and blamed Xi for the actions taken by the US to decouple relationship with China. We know that he was talking nonsense..

You could not offer any solution because you are not a political leader. The US needs a president who has the courage to act. And that is Trump. He acted well on the trade war to deal with the trade deficit which has been a long term and unsolved problem in the US. He also acted on China's stealing of IP which all other country's leaders have not acted before. I agree with Prof. Lynch, she spoke with logic and highlighted the importance of action than no action at all.

The funny thing is why should China change its political system which works fine for China and is supported by a vast majority of Chinese, just because it displeases the US. China does not ask the US or any other country to change their system. Who is being arrogant here?

Cowardice and TDS isn’t a strategy either

42:45 - "... on the other hand, China could invest anywhere they wanted in the United States..." - this couldn't be further from the truth. The sole practical function of CFIUS is to PREVENT the PRC from investing in areas that the US doesn't want China to advance in - semiconductors for example. The trend of US blocking investments from the PRC began as soon as the PRC began to invest in the US in any meaningful volume, starting with the CNOOC's blocked M&A bid for Unocal. Subsequently, CFIUS wouldn't even let Chinese companies (private or public) invest in mundane sectors like rebar factories. I'm surprised Schell would state such a blatant lie, he is too intelligent & knowledgeable to make such a statement out of ignorance.

I keep asking myselfwhy we transfered the wealth to China? Was it worth the cost? Can we transfer it back?

What a great actor！big liar！Just teach your kids hatred, but that’ll do nothing better.

I think reform in China will continue, but may be not follow U.S. expectation because all the transformation pushed by U.S. in other countries becomes a disaster (Soviet Union, Middle east) and there is not a good example. During this procedure, I feel the concern outside is a good thing for China and we should be more resilient for different opinions, but so is western.

You need to accept changes, Donal trump changes a lot, every minutes he changes, he say something this minute, he will change his tone next minute. Between human relations, the hardest thing is to try to change someone, people can only change themselves. This is same on the country to country, why America try to change China political system? Why not just embrace the change happen in China? The problem is that America always blame on others instead of looking into themselves. That is the biggest problem, Chinese is never be arrogant, not in the pass nor in the future, not even now. Hong Kong n Taiwan, it is not of business of America, it is China’s internal issue, America is in between n stirrings up.

"US and China are the two most important countries in the world." Actually India is quite important. If the US can put a stop to the unfettered unilateral trade relationship favorable only to China, China will fade out as no other country will be willing to allow China such generous trade terms. Surely China saw this coming. We don't need China as bad as China need the US. Trump doesn't have to be very shrewd to figure out that all he needs to do is give the Chinese non negotiable terms.

America is a paper tiger, they used to say. Very interesting and informative thank you

It's not about losing face. It's about what you proposing won't work for us! Jeez, what an arrogance.

The Chinese lack of self-awareness is staggering.

China does not practice communism which does not allow its citizens to set up shop. Check out my book "Can China Say No?"

John Mearsheimer need a serious talk with this old man

Sir, it was a good presentation. It really put things into perspective about the conflict between US and China. I sort of had a hunch coming in to this about the the fact that the US-China relationship is central to the global world order, and your analogy about "keystones in the arch" put things into better perspective. As this escalates by the day, I think a lot of countries are trying to figure out where they're going to stand in case of an all-out conflict between China and the United States. I don't think China did themselves a favour by unprovoked aggression towards India in the Ladakh. Or towards their pretty relentless efforts to rally all of India's neighbours (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal) towards itself. It certainly has pushed India towards a much more negative view on China, and there were still a lot of people even before this whole mess who would have supported the prosperity and strength of China as a counterbalance towards the towering United States. I think a lot of people are now, seeing the dangers of accepting China as a global power, and its economic might, untempered by any sort of consideration towards their partners continues to deal damage towards every country who commits the unfortunate mistake of dealing with China. I think the case of Australia was really eye opening for me personally; in which we saw Chinese economic and political retaliation against Australia; a sort of "forced decoupling" by cutting key imports/exports coupled with a lot of bad blood created in the process. I think if the United States is considering to seriously decouple itself from China economically, this would be a really painful process both for the United States and for China. Let's be absolutely clear, Sir, people who amassed wealth by reselling wholesale Chinese goods in developed economies are probably not well disposed to find alternatives to China (economically). Or in the Europe, Africa, South America, the Middle East; for example, when the coronavirus pandemic hit, it was China who earned massive dollars by selling masks and other medical equipment all over the world. Being the manufacturing backbone of the world, gives it a certain advantage that'll be hard to take way... The way out, I suppose could be realised by seeing that China is completely replaceable economically speaking, they don't sell or create anything that others don't already have or could make easily. Proceeding on this basis I'm not so sure that they're a "keystone" in the Arch, I think the keystone still remains the United States and the EU, as much as it would prejudice the position of an Asian country, India to say that, I have no real qualms in admitting it. -AC

I don't think he understands China as much as he thinks.

这个中国通的水平让我非常放心。。。。。。。

An old American kid !!!

Orville is losing his marbles, why should any country be more like US? Other countries with different political system can get along so what's wrong to have different systems? Disappointing that Orville plays the same blame game.

no offend but aren't you american attitudes on other countries only base on their power? Just look how your treat weak powered countries like Philippine, Venezuela or even much more developed countries like Japan and Germnay. Now you are talking abouot arrogant China because they refused to be reformed by the US? How arrogant!

I thought this guy was a smart man so I listened. But does he know what he is talking about? He is contradicting himself all the time...

Final word: China, your fault!

Please hit home about the notion of China surpasses US economically predicted by IMF and other agencies. That is what happened for the divergence when the economy of China was 10% of the US. It was the "convergence" talk... Don't believe it is about idealogical difference, etc.. It is all about who is the No 1 in 20-50 years.

God bless China 🇨🇳✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊

Lots of pro-PLA shillary going on in here. Give it up now; you will be changing no one's mind (but you'll still get your RMB cookies for your shill post).

This guy didn't have any substance on HK and blaming everything on Beijing. Discredited

The tittle is misleading it should be "Is the US decoupling China? It is the US that started! Nixon went to China accepting the idea that we have 2 different systems and desired that we could live together. It worked wonderfully for 30 years! China open up and the world prospered ever than before. It it amazing to hear you say that China is heading toward Lenin Stalinist direction to the dark age is absurd! China is a lot freer than ever before. Its citizen can travel anywhere in the world freely. How many foreigners are living freely and travel freely in China now? Most Chinese are happy of government and more proud of its country. You praised Trump who is openly racist and insult China every possible way. Like Trump you continue blaming China. You describe Xi like a monster and Trump like a very careful and sensible person and blame Xi that failed this relationship. Xi has a strange smile? Are you still talking diplomacy? The US even start to ban Chinese student because they may learn to much democracy? The US cannot stand to see a non white China powerful economically and tries every dirty way to destroy it and destabilizing it using Hong Kong and Taiwan. This is not new. Remember the treatment of Japan it the 80's? The US stated the tariffs and sanctions that forces China to react! This world for the worst is formed totally by a new US vision.

The evilest thing is that the scholars teach kids wrong things intentionally.

but not understanding that " engagement , was a two-way street" lol. is this old fool for real? he talking about amerikkkans? or "communism" red chyna?

Orville Schell is too bookish to understand Trump, Trump is a great leader and much smarter than most people.

So many 50cent army trolls here. Go home to your mummy

The speaker seemed to be able to analyse the decoupling situation and was quick to point out the faults of both leaders. To me, Trump has done well and did a lot of good for many countries who have been blinded by the economic power of China and frightened to voice their discontent against China's bully. The world needs a new order which is going to happen, one way or the other. No, I believe the past political leaders of the US and so were leaders of other OECD and G20 countries were naive to think China would change. China definitely wants to rule the world, both economically and militarily. The world can work with such an authoritarian country and we must all realise this.

Obama gave

He only speak of China failed to change it system... very one-sided. He has no ability to see both sides.