Are there Descendants of Romans living in China? 

As I was saying in my post....it's more likely they are connected with the Greeks than Romans. Ἀλεξάνδρεια Ἐσχάτη is not far from this region and there's more than a good chance they interbred.

Give them Roman Citizenship, they have proven the most loyal ones to the IMPERIUM!

@@unarealtaragionevole greeks was romans buddy. dont be confused about this 2 terms. one is the ethnic group they belonged, the other is the citizenship they belonged. back in roman times italic and greek was the main ethnic groups of the romn empire. later especially after the administrative division of the western and eastern provinces and the loss of the western parts, the main ethnic group was the greek roman. its abit like the usa, which consists of countless ethnic groups but a few are the dominant ones. the roman empire was not so diverse and all nongreek and nonitalic was considered barbarian and was mostly slaves within the empire. the first large group of greek to become roman was the greek from south italy and sicily in magna grecia in 90bc. the last greek to become full roman citizens was in 212ad the greek of alexandria and egypt by the edict of caracalla. so by 212 the entire greek world had become full roman citizen and consisted of the largest ethnic group within the empire.

@@horror11 Hmm...there are are some things we need to examine. First the Greeks we were talking about were never Roman, nor part of the Roman Empire. There's a lot of history to talk about for a RU-vid chat, but basically after the collapse of Alexander's Empire they divided up things up amongst the Diadochi, after the wars of the Diadochi by 300 BCE, these eastern regions in question which had the majority of the contacts with the ancient Chinese would eventually become part of the Seleucid Empire, and the southern regions would become the Yavana Kingdom. Even at it's height, Rome never reached or governed these people or lands. They were forced into being 'frenemies' at the best of times, and hated enemies at the worst of times. Even at it's height of power, the best Rome could do with these regions is sign non-aggression treaties which always led to aggressions. But the point remains, these regions were Greeks, settle by Greeks, ruled by Greeks. Had nothing to do with Rome. Now we need to examine the three earliest "mentions" of contact between the Romans and Chinese. Two of them should be disqualified as valid claims, and one we know is the truth. The first claim comes Lucius Annaeus Florus and says in 120 CE that he knows Emperor Augustus (who died 60 years before Florus was even born) was receiving regular envoys from the Seres (Chinese). No one else talks about this, or writes about this, or seems to know about this....only he knows. Hmm, that's convenient. There is another interesting claim like this on the Chinese side. When in 166 CE a group of unofficial Roman merchants arrive in Luoyang claiming to have been sent by Rome to establish trade. The problem is that Rome nor China really ever talk about this, and they never follow up on it. Rome wants to establish trade, but they send a single group, one time, and never do it again? That's odd. More than likely these Romans were trying to pull a fast one on their competition. Cause that's just not how Rome operates, especially in 166 CE....you have to know a little about how trade worked with foreign powers and Rome, but that's just not how deals were made. Finally we get to the one we know is true. The earliest contact between Rome and China that we know actually happened is in Parthia. Parthia was not conquered by Rome, on the contrary to "some" people on this channel. Yes, they were defeated in a few major battles, but the wars ended with Parthia never being a part of Rome. Anyway in 97 CE the General Ban Chao sent Gan Ying into Parthia to talk about establishing northern trade routes because they were trying to avoid going through the deserts in the south, and they were not getting along with those kingdoms at the time. It was here the the first Roman and Early Chinese relations began; however, it was always under the control of the Parthians and other later kingdoms. Rome never had direct trade with them.

@@unarealtaragionevole i think u are right. this ppl must have been greek and had never been romanized, good points u made.

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Scythians, merchants along the Silk Road, Greeks from Alexander’s army that settled in Central Asia and perhaps a few Romans too

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Yeah I was just saying this in another post it's more likely they had contact with Ἀλεξάνδρεια Ἐσχάτη than Rome. I wish people would stop acting like West/East contacts are unusual....the Greeks have been in contact with India, the Middle East, and even later China as early as the 200s BCE.

@@unarealtaragionevole it is even said that the terra cotta army was inspired by Greek artisans that reached china during the reign of china s'first emperor

​@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 , "It is said" by whom? The style of the Chinese terracotta army is totally different from the Graeco-Roman style.

@@fuferito The potential Greek influence for the creation of the terra cotta army is actually a current theory in its creation. From its discovery in the 1970s the statues presented a very big mystery because before their creation there is nothing like it in all of Chinese history. The Chinese didn't use terra cotta this way, nor did they make human/lifelike sculptures this way, nor did the make any sculptures to this size and scale. The closest regions/cultures that did anything like this were the Greco-Bactrians, the Greco-Indians, and the southern Indians who we know didn't start doing also this until their encounter with the Greeks and later Romans themselves. These were are all groups and regions that the Chinese had contact with, and intercultural exchanges with going back as far 200 BCE. This theory doesn't say the Greeks built the army or anything like that, what it says is that the Chinese (in this case the Emperor Qin Shi Huang Di) were influenced by what they encountered and saw with their Greek contacts, to start do doing this themselves. The Emperor was obsessed with eternal life, and in his 'late in life' paranoia...became obsessed with the idea he needed an army to protect him from his enemies after life. That's why the army had to be as real as possible. He knew he was going into battle and needed protections. This theory really exploded when two people in different disciplines came out with similar theories in the 2010s independently. Dr. Li Xiuzhen the senior archaeologist at the Terra Cotta Army site and Dr. Lukas Nickel who is the chair of the Asian Art History at the University of Vienna. This theory got picked up by the world when a couple of articles emerged out of the Smithsonian, Discovery, History....and then China started releasing some really good stuff as they themselves seem to have really embraced the theory for now. I would recommend the following articles if you're interested, it really is an interesting topic. Who knows if it's true, but the theory does help at least try to explain why and how these statues come out of nowhere for China.... Smithsonian Magazine Did the Greeks Help Sculpt China’s Terra Cotta Warriors? By Jason Daley 10/14/2016 National Geographic Discoveries May Rewrite History of China's Terra-Cotta Warriors. By A. R. Williams 10/12/2016 History Channel Greeks May Have Influenced China’s Terra Cotta Army. By Sarah Pruitt 10/17/2016

@@fuferito by articles! Even the humanist form of Buddha was influenced by Greek artists, and I said influenced, I didnt said that the Greeks made themselves the terra cotta army. And it makes sense as the 2 civilizations were closer to each other by this point in time

Alexander himself wasn't that for per se, but his empire did eventually spread out to not too far from there. Ἀλεξάνδρεια Ἐσχάτη is within regular contact and trading distance but the problem with this is that while we know they did have contact and even the famous War of the Horses took place......we don't have the best records about the day to day activities and relationships.

You're thinking of the Fergana Valley, where the Bactrians were, but that's really pretty far from this spot. That said, both that valley and this village are both along some iterations of the silk road so if Romans ended up in Lijan it's not crazy to think they would have passed through the Fergana Valley on the way (but across those distances, it could have taken many years to work that far east).

@@fotempable Well I'm not certain we can say it was too great a distance. From Ἀλεξάνδρεια Ἐσχάτη (near modern day Khujand) to Zhelaizhai (Liqian Village) is about 2800 km. Yes, this is a long and dangerous trip...but not as long and complicated as it might seem at first. For example, we know that Julius Caesar traveled by carriage of 1280 km in only 8 days, we have accounts of incredible cavalry movements such as when the royal messenger rode to Spain in 3 days to tell Galba of Nero's death and that was 960 km. Now it's easy to say these were emergencies, or a single person traveling on horseback, and that's correct...however, we know from experiments with reproductions of Roman merchant wagons from 100 BCE to 100CE that an average wagon with a full capacity could travel about 45-50 km in a day. So at most we are talking about a 3-4 month travel time between these regions. And they didn't really have to travel the entire distances, they usually traveled to places in the middle where they could trade and/or interact. We also have Chinese records, assuming they are accurate that help verify the same travel times it took for the Chinese merchants. We also know the paths they took, and along the way there are military outposts, trading outposts, and bodies of water which would have lessened some of the travel burdens. That's why I say that at a minimum the Greek and Chinese connection was going by at least 200 BCE. When Rome took over, while they didn't have direct control of these regions at the time, they did have access/knowledge/trade with the regions that did. I have heard accounts of Romans describing China and the Chinese describing Rome....but I will be honest, I am skeptical. Why? There is no source...Roman or Chinese...that specifically says "I was here and I saw this." All of the 'sources' describe places from an perspective of being told about them, which suggest they were more likely being told about them by merchants or middlemen who did have more direct contact and knowledge of them.

Legionnaires signed up for a 25 year hitch, so a journey of some years wouldn't have bothered them. @@fotempable

In the end, it is inconclusive. Han Dynasty records only mention that the infantry of the Xiongnus are in a battle formation describe as 'fish-scale' formation. In fact after more thorough research, it is discovered the 'Fish-scale' formation has been in Chinese texts decades prior and it is used to describe tightly packed infantry formation. In Liqian archeological site, no hard evidence has ever found to prove there are Roman soldiers present. Hard evidence like Roman Legionary equipment will never be found as they are confiscated by the Parthians once the Romans are taken prisoners. If they are impressed by the Parthians into its army, they will issued Parthian military equipment. If they are impressed into Han Dynasty, they will be issued Han Dynasty military equipment.

Surely the Greek kingdoms post Alexander left some imprints in China too, seeing how geographically close they were and how regularly the two engaged in trade and exchange

@@canchero724 Yes, this is 100% True!

It's all bullshit, they made DNA test to the locals and found zero percent of Greek，more like Turkish DNA,

Macedonians were Greek! Cut the B@LLSHIT !!! Even all the Easterners called them Greeks Yavanas Yaunas Yunan Ionians!

yeah, thats true, this is the real menaing of being roman

yea because roman men were taller then the parthians and any steppe tribes in the area You underestimate their height but the average was 171 and for germanic men was 175 just 2 inches of diference

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@@michaelporzio7384 In your country dont you want men to protect it And in ancient times we didnt have guns so ancients needed men as weapons The bigger and the stronger were most fit for the job So that's why they put on their eastern border

@@gg_plays7647you are 10 cm off you clown. They are average 160-165

​@@gg_plays7647the tribes north of the roman empire were constantly being massacred and defeated by the roman empire and steppe people (parthians use steppe tactics), as a matter of fact, the romans fled/fought into a very declining western roman empire after being scared into doing so because of steppe people and their horse archers (parthian tactics)

I’m not sure if you’re trying to be funny, but Romans did not have pasta. Marco Polo brought the ability to make pasta back with him from China.

Change your alarm sound then.

@@smavi4133 I didn’t create that post out of some sense of entitlement and belief that the creator needs to change their content to suit my needs. By providing honest feedback, I can give them the information they need to refine and polish their product to satisfy the largest possible audience. Like a lot of people I watch these videos on my iPhone while I’m doing other tasks. If I hear an audio queue that sounds like the default timer, it can be distracting… Maybe I’m the only person… But by bringing it up the creator can decide if this is an issue being experienced by other people, and if it needs to be modified, or not. Often times, honest feedback, and encouragement is better than smashing the like button.

Facts! It was Greek Contacts with the Chinese!!! This is Typical Roman Bug A Booism Larping over Hellenic things, per usual.

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Speaking a Romance language doesn't mean someone is descended from the Romans though. While most South Americans have some South European, and therefore probably some Roman ancestry as well, the average French speaking African has nothing to do with the Romans.

@@DeoVindice999 But the person is speaking a Romance language. If not by blood then by cultural ties.

@@DeoVindice999 shut up nerd Roman italic dna spread all over europe all europeans have italic dna

@@vitorpereira9515 Rome as an empire in no longer with us, but the culture still lives on even after the dissolution of the west and the Theodosian walls falling in the east. to me Rome is an idea; an amalgamation of peoples, religion, science, art, and history. our native language is descended from the Roman alphabet, the founding fathers of the US based the government on the Roman Republic's government, we Orthodox still use the Julian Calendar in some compacity, and urban infrastructure was pioneered by the Romans. As an American I have no blood ties to the Eternal City, but I am still tied to the legacy that Rome created.

Chinese knew of Rome, they called it Da Xin

@@Manistan274 Dude: Chinese villagers = farmers, not Chinese emperor - do I have to draw it for you?

They would not know anything about the Romans . A tiny number would be bred out, no longer able to speak anything other than a local language and look exactly like everyone else. The Chinese never got to Da Quin, though. Chinese accounts suggest they reached Antioch on the Orontes in Syria, which was a Roman city but not very Roman in that the antiochenes spoke mainly Syriac, a language akin to Arabic, and some Greek. So words from Latin are highly unlikely to be transferred. Emperors might know nothing. The mission towards Da Quin was staffed by soldiers and merchants, some of whom might have been landowners owning estates with those self same peasants.

eww gross, no.

Is that Edessa named after Edessa in Greece by the Greek Macedonians who also wore the Diadema Headbands?

1st comment posted 30 second in this 2:30 wonder if story was true that crassus was made to drink molten gold because he thirsted so much for it? IE his greed and goldlust.

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Very few Roman subjects had ever been to Italy, leave alone one small part of it. When the emperor Constantius III visited Rome in 357, he knew nothing about it and had to take the tourist sights like any foreigner.

@@Joanna-il2ur Yet all of them consider themselves a Romans. Serving in the legion is only granted to real Roman citizens. Even a decade before their independence, the Greek population called themselves Ῥωμαῖοι (Rhōmaîoi), or “Romans.” .

@@w0lfgm yes, Melina Mercouri attacked the Greek Colonels’ regime stripping her of greek citizenship by referring to herself as a rhomana. The capital in the west had long been in Milan, was later often in Trier, and moved in the early fifth century to Ravenna. Only the senate and later the papacy remained in Rome itself.

@@Joanna-il2ur but when we look when this event did happened it puts us in a certain timeframe. Off, it is speculation. Just a logical conclusion. Never claimed that is true, but language evolution logic.

@@w0lfgm Sorry, But I don’t understand what you’re saying. Could you possibly rephrase it?

I saw this video already. Anyway I think both theories can be true at once.

Did romans never visited china.according to your logic. Dont cry odinist goth man 😂😂😂

Yes go and cry somewhere else germanic goth 😂😂😂

What an ignorant comment - crawl back under the rock you came from