"Shotguns? I didn't think anyone used projectile weapons anymore." "Hmm... an energy weapon that looks like a slug thrower... i didn't think lizards were that nostalgic."
Eck forgot to mention that in both EA Battlefront games there’s a scatter gun that does fire solid projectiles. In EA Battlefront 1 it was fun to use because the projectiles could go through shields and made them a fun way to counter those kinds of tactics.
Its projectiles seem more like shards of something maybe flechettes. (And it does look like a mix of the Republic Commando energy shotgun and a SPAS12)
@@grantt1589 A Johnson M1941 LMG or M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle would probably fit in better with Star Wars' WWII style guns. (I am not a gun nut, I just looked up WWII guns on WIkipedia)
@@RorikH Johnson is a less Iconic than the M2 or the M1919, and that block with a barrel desing would look pretty good in Star Wars. Also, if we want to Americanize something with guns, we need John Browning patterns (So the BAR and the 1911 are good to go too). I'd kill for a sci-Fi Auto-5 tho.
@@DIEGhostfish him dieing that way was stupid and a wasted opportunity. And bielert valance would have been a great character to have brought to the show particularly considering he could have appeared in the upcoming book of Boba as well
@@rommdan2716 I mean, it depends on how much kinetic force their telekinetic push impacts with. I'm sure one of your scientist types could figure out the maths but I'd just go ahead and say maybe? Although with force pull or force grab, you could just hold a shield with the force, like The Ganner did with the senate roof plates against the yuuzang vong. Ya know and just block all the shots that way. Really you can do just about anything with telekinesis, it just depends on how strong it is. You could theoretically compress an object into a finite point using telekinetic compression (making a super dense projectile). Or create plasma by agitating atoms inside a telekinetic pocket under intense pressure. It really just depends. Actually had a story written once that pitted genetic super beings against extremely powerful psychics. The super beings could alter their DNA to make instant changes on the fly, like creating diamond skin or could run super fast. The psychics manipulated telekinetic fields to create telekinetic "armor" or could "run" super fast, using telekinetic pushes off the ground. Or telekinetic punches. Never finished it but it was a fun idea to play around with.
@@rommdan2716 Not every Jedi can do that, also I feel like in the heat of battle something like force shield won't be easy to conjure up. Also another reason for the shotgun is because, can't block all the slugs with a lightsaber.
_Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast_ and _Jedi Academy_ both had the Golan Arms FC-1 Flechette Weapon, which was basically a double barreled shotgun that launched a cluster of small metal shards (not actually flechettes) at enemies. Excellent at close range, just okay at anything beyond that.
@@EckhartsLadder It's good for lesser enemies like Stormtroopers and Stormtrooper Captains, but your lightsaber can do the job just as effectively. I personally enjoyed it and the Imperial Heavy Repeater, but that's just me.
@@EckhartsLadder In JA the Flechette would actually LAUNCH enemies you kill, sending them flying all over the map till they hit the first thing in their path. Great for when you enjoy ragdolling enemies I guess
I would think that boarding parties would REALLY want a shotgun style weapon, even if it was only one or two shotguns in a squad of troopers with primarily standard blasters. The close-quarters engagements down the straight and narrow corridors of many imperial and republic ships would be incredibly well suited to the weapon, surely, especially when supported by more "accurate" blaster troopers or laser riflemen to avoid harming non-combatants.
There's also Zahn's sort of sawn-off shotgun weapon that fires a bit of a ring of energy pellets. You also have the flechette launcher that others have mentioned.
The Accelerated Charged Particle weapons from Republic Commando are interesting, some sort of alternative to Tibana gas plasma weapons. A single cell with gas and battery per shot for all the different variants, shotgun or not.
Its basically just a normal blaster except with a railgun in the barrel. They also arent plasma weapons since plasma weapons are Star Wars are kinda rare. Imagine a blaster bolt except contained in a sort of pseudo-shell and then magnetically propelled from the barrel, like normal, but with an incredible amount of force behind it. All the gas from the cartridge is fed into the shot and then expelled via the pumping action once the shot has left the barrel.
REPUBLIC COMMANDO scene "Shotguns?! I didn't think anyone used projectile weapons anymore." "Hm, An energy weapon that looks like a slug-thrower. I didn't think lizards were that nostalgic."
2:00 Little do you know this is actually one of the most unshotgun like things about the weapon, and about any "shotgun" in most video games really. They can hit effectively up to 40m away with buckshot and about 90m with slugs.
My favorite "shotgun" from the SW universe is the Deck Sweeper Stunning Blaster made by Merr-Sonn Munitions from the old West End Star Wars RPG system. The Deck Sweeper could only fire on stun, no lethal setting, and fired a 45 degree arc of blaster energy out to 10 meters. Perfect for just hitting a large group at once with a stun blast, or to overwhelm a Jedi. Good luck blocking a 45 degree cone of stun energy.
One of the Knights of Ren, Kuruk, has an underbarrel attachment on his custom made rifle that’s supposed to be a energy-based shotgun of sorts. Obviously, we don’t see it really used, just as we don’t really see much of the Kuruk or any of the other Knights lol
I'd say the best gun in BF2 was the reward pistol, especially if you could pull off headshots it would kill faster and further away, and make boarding action pilots as big a threat as soldiers.
On the other hand, I feel like the Award Sniper Rifle is a downgrade. It felt like it was shorter range than the standard, and that you might not get the full amount of damage.
@@chrisjohnson1146 the standard sniper had two levels of zoom, the elite only had one I'm pretty sure it had the same effective range, but yeah, the scope was absolutely a step down But that award pistol, wheeee You could magdump so so very fast, incredible for getting out of tight crowded spaces
There’s a shotgun with two firing types from the Jedi academy games, going back a bit further in time but it fired a regular shot gun burst and then had a mode that fired a couple bigger balls of hot metal that exploded, i can’t remember its name but I think it was a flachette
That would depend a lot on the type of shot being used as well as the range they're being shot at. 00 buckshot doesn't have all that many pellet in a shell, about 8 or 9 with birdshot having a more (but smaller) pellets. At realtivley close range, the shot pattern would tight enoug that a Jedi could (theoretically) swing their lightswber in an arc in front of them and catch all of the shot coming at them. What could be potentially be nasty for a Jeid would be a solid sslug made from a highly heat resistant metal of some sort. Something thgat could withstand going through the heat of a lightsaber blade more or less intact. Anyobdy, don't mention a Jeid, would be having a very bad day after being hit by a shotgun slug.
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@@Riceball01 I dont think a jedi has the capacity to parry all 6 or 8 buckshot and it doenst have to be a lead projectile it could be a blaster shotgun, and if it is lead or some kind of metal and a jedi parry the projectiles then you have melted lead or metal coming out of the other end of the saber, burning and making some damage to the saber user. I think that some reasons why we dont see too much shotguns in the star wars universe, they cant be balanced in all context.
One point against shotguns in starwars is that most major militaries use some sort of hard armor or battle droids. Shotguns have a lot of stopping power, but not much penetration, since they fire multible small projectiles instead of a single heavier one.
I think I might show this video to my dad- a hunter, life long Star Wars fan, and retired soldier- and see what he thinks of the whole projectiles vs blasters vs shotguns thing
Yeah he did a whole video talking about his feelings on Republic Commando, it's called something like "My most controversial Star Wars opinion" and yeah you pretty much summed up the comment section of it.
4:22 - gas and energy packs are also more weight efficient, also armor like stormtrooper can protect from projectiles so I can imagine other armors in the Star Wars universe can also withstand projectile based weapons
What we understand a shotgun to be can irl can be varied- sabot rounds fire a solid projectile, rather than flechette or shot (and there's far more exotic things that can be fired, including bursts of flames)
Having spent many a weekend playing the old D6 West End Games Tabletop RPG, "shotguns" like the Deck sweeping blaster hold a special place of nostalgia for me. Having a built in frontal cone Stun blaster shotgun into my astromechs chassis is some of the most fun I've had in a star wars game/setting.
On page 30 of West End Games RPG book "Gundark's Fantastic Technology - Personal Gear" there is a Deck-Clearing Blaster which seems to be pretty much 'a shotgun, but with L A S E R S!'. Of course in Star Wars there is canon, not canon, and then EXTRA not canon. 😅
The Trando Shotgun is, if I remember correctly, actually a legitimate Slug-Thrower: if my memory serves me correctly, the pellets loaded into the Trando gun are energised and shattered as they are fired, turning them into essentially ionised/energy coated flechettes- drawing a very, very, murky line in the SW universe, in terms of legality across the galaxy.
A good video and an interesting topic. You know the biggest problem in a universe that doesn't have shotguns? It means that no-one can ride shotgun. I have an idea though about the practicalities of an scatter gun energy weapon. Blaster weapons fire what seems to be a bolt of superheated plasma contained in a magnetic jacket. The problem is that if you've got a shotgun firing a dozen of these bolts, you'll need a barrel and mechanism for each bolt you want in that shot. That's going to get heavy quickly. At least, that's what my brain thinks. The magnetic jacket is there to contain the plasma but it dissipates over time and the bolt expands until it just dissipates and stops being a bolt. So what if you changed the magnetic jacket? I think if you changed the magnetic jacket, changed the strength or frequency or something that makes some sense in universe, you could change the way the bolt dissipates and range it dissipates at. With this, you could turn the blaster from firing a bolt of death to firing a cone of death, like changing a shotgun from using solid slugs to birdshot.
I figure plasma weapons like blasters would've worked like shotguns. I mean, as the field holding plasma together it'd dissipate, probably replicating both the spread of shot and the fall-off in efficacy at longer ranges.
Fleet battle between Grand admiral Thrawn vs. Ender Wiggin Each one has an equal sized fleet with equally capable subordinates, and since Ender is from a different universe each has equal understanding of the technology they’re using. They are in command of Star Wars vessels. Pick a famous fleet of your choosing I’d suggest death squadron.
Another example I’d like to bring up is Tyber Zann’s sort of sawed-off looking blaster from Empire at War: Forces of Corruption. His lieutenant Urai gifted him with the weapon as he was breaking him out saying he made some “upgrades”. What he actually meant was that Tyber can now effectively kill anything and anyone short of a heavy tank. Seriously, he cleared out entire squads of Stormtroopers whenever they’d clump up together.
Really cool video Eck. Not sure if you're aware, but in EA Battlefront 2015 there's a starcard called the "Scatter Gun" - same design as the Trandoshan Shotgun from RC - which goes through shields (though I would guess that the shield-penetrating bit is just for gameplay - and it worked real well imo). In that same game there's also what I would call a scatter blaster in the form of the EE-4 which fires bursts of condensed blaster bolts simultaneously like a shotgun, rather than one after another like a traditional burst weapon. Lastly, in EA Battlefront 2 (2017), there's the "Vanguard" Assault class ability (same model as the BF2015 "Scatter Gun") which functions as a pump-action shotgun. It also has a variant that fires a single solid slug rather than an array of pellets.
I think you forgot about Lang in the Mandalorian season 2 episode 5 “the Jedi”. When he shot towards Ahsoka, you could see multiple blaster bolts hit right below her with one shot. I believe that can be considered a shot gun. The time stamp is 32:23 on Disney plus
The Star Wars pen & paper RPG had a deck-clearing blaster, which was explicitly described as acting as a shotgun; firing multiple blaster bolts in a scatter.
The shotgun in Battlefront II uses ammo and seems to just be a blaster variant. The game is also S-Canon, and Star Wars games frequently bend lore to fit what they need for gameplay, so make of that what you will
The Geonisian Sonic blasters also functioned like slug-throwers. They bypassed lightsabres due to not being a bolt of energy, their projectile started small but grew over a distance and the atmosphere weakened their concussive force the further the shockwave travelled.
The shotgun you see in Republic Commando is also in the 2018 Battlefront 2 game, its called "Vanguard" and is an ability you can use with the Assault class. Besides being a high damage daling shotgun with low range it also gives you a speed bonus while you have it active, meaning its easier to get closer to targets and make use of the gun
Vs matchup Yss-1000 saber( Halo Reach) vs T-65 X-wing(Star Wars). 2 rounds round 1 average pilot in each round 2 noble 6 in the saber vs Wedge Antilles in the X-wing
Shield bypass seems to be a good reason to have projectile weapons overall. I recall reading the K-wings from the legends series could be outfitted with flechette launchers for capital ship Bridge bombardment.
I seem to also recall that Stormtrooper armor is described as being able to shrug off all but the most powerful solid projectile weapons which explains why they use it even if a direct blaster hit totals them. Obviously blunt force trauma is still a factor (no penetration by bullets but it is going to bruise you), which is why Ewok arrows might not do much but a beatdown with clubs still works.
from what I heard, at least in Legends, that not only were Slugthrowers considered primitive, they were also illegal in most sectors; due to their messy results, and being more likely to cause collateral, whereas a blaster dumped its energy into a target and or cauterized the wound
Yes, the shotty was on the rebel pilot and dark trooper in the original battlefront. It's been a long time since I've played it, but I do remember that
In the Outer Rim, where agriculture and barter trade are the mainstays, projectile weapons would give a resourceful character the opportunity to make their own explosive propellant and ammo out of basic farming chemicals and home-cast metal scrap - of which planets like Tatooine and Jaaku had plenty... instead of finding that 'Space Apple Weapons Corp' has changed the power couplings on blaster packs and they don't fit older models anymore. Plus, if shielding primarily works on the basis of frequency disruption - to repel energy weapons, a projectile - which has no electrical / electronic frequency could really spoil someone's day.
All you need to do is take several blaster pistols, bundle them together and link them to a single central body with handle and trigger, then... you have a bundle gun. Not sure if that would be practical, but the weapon Queen Amidala uses, the ELG-3A, had a very slim barrel, so there might be a way. I would go for a 6 or 7 barrel version as that number can easily get bundled together, a main body with maybe a foregrip and even some nice furniture and a stock with either an integrated grip or a pistol grip version, like the Mossberg shotguns offer.
The Verpine Shatter Guns were basically just gauss rifles yeah. You are thinking of the Squid Tensor rifle for the repulsor weapon. Since it could do both Tensor and Repulsor.
Designed my own E series shotgun, the "E-ACP" I think it looks pretty cool, basically an e-11 without a scope, some shells on the side, and a spas-12 forebs, canted, with a vertical grip on the pump, like the acp from RC.
I really like the idea of slugthrowers being prevalent on the Outer Rim and the Unknown Regions, with various settlements and outlaw factions producing their own and selling on the grey market. It also firs with the survivalist mentality of the Mandalorians, weapons that modern scanners can't pick up, weapons that can be silenced, and weapons that are easier to repair and reload. So yes, shotguns definitely fit within that frame.
We have actually seen a shotgun style blaster in The Mandalorian. The captain of Morgan Elsbeth’s guards has one. He only fires it a dew times. But the audio description calls it a scatter gun multiple times, and says it fires a volley of lasers.
I was re-watching your video on railguns #askeck and I realized another reason has recently been added to canon that didn't exist when you did the video. It ties into the great disaster of the high republic era. Any railguns rounds that missed a target would continue moving through space at 2/3 the speed of light until they eventually hit something. Instead of having great "a" great disaster you would have thousands of them every year as hypervelocity rounds from battles thousands of years ago would be flying through space smacking into things with catastrophic results.
Another thing to consider is that armour in Star Wars is meant to protect against blasters mainly; they try to absorb the thermal energy so you don't melt. Slug throwers have the advantage of having a lot of kinetic energy and while Star Wars armours are very tuff, something like storm trooper's armour wouldn't break, it also wouldn't absorb the energy well. My point being that if you shot a storm trooper in the head with a slug thrower the armour would be fine but the squishy face, and brain, of the trooper inside would be badly damaged.
I'd say a 'splash' type blaster projectile could count. Like the 'bolt' comes out like a blob, and upon contact with anything it basically explodes and showers whatever is within the effective radius with lots of heat and plasma.
Chewie uses a blaster shotgun in Solo and the one from Commando came back in BF2 but as a slugthrower. Anyway, I highly recommend everybody to check out Wookieepedia for more about this topic, it's really interesting!
West end games pirates and privateers had a weapon called a "decksweeper" iirc. Came in stun and blaster variants. Shot an energy cone out at a 45 degree angle with a very short range, 10 meters maybe? Wish i still had that book. Loaned it to a cousin, never got it back.
in the Ahsoka Survival 2 episode arc of the clone wars at the end of season 3 we see a slug thrower shotgun/energy shotgun being used twice, by the trandoshan dropship pilot and by one of the trandoshans on the Fortress
One thing I think shotguns (and other slug-throwers to a lesser extent) have over blasters is versatility. If you look at the available shells that shotguns can use today and consider that with the tech from the star wars universe you can make slug-throwers dispense a variety of damage without having to change the weapon system or muck around with your weapon internals in the middle of battle.
I fired a shotgun for the first time a few weeks ago and the range had a tactical shotgun for sale that actually looked like some type of Star Wars blaster.
I'm surprised lang, the mercenary in the mandalorian episode "the jedi" wasn't mentioned, as his blaster seemed to be like a shotgun that fire multiple lasers per shot
4:00 id also assume blasters would be used because the damage of a shot is easier to be controlled or limited based off lore of armor favoring storm troopers being knocked out over permanent injuries
Engineers and Darktroopers used shotguns most commonly, plus in Republic Commando, we see that Trandosians still use outdated projectile shotguns unlike the rest of the galaxy that use blasters instead of projectile guns
The odd part about "slug throwers" is that shotguns in real life have either traditional shotgun rounds like buckshot, but also slugs which are solid shots. There are shotguns out there that are not made for shooting traditional round but a slug, usually 12 gauge. This functions much like a rifle, just without the spin produced by a rifled barrel
You didn't mention Michael Biehn's character, Lang the merc, from 'The Mandalorian'. He uses a plasma scatter-blaster straight outta Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel (maybe a Dahl one with a Tediore barrel). In the words of Torgue Flexington, "Laser shotguns! You're welcome!" Except in Star Wars, it's plasma. There's also the flechette cannon from Star Wars: Dark Forces. The flechette cannon and the "grenade" launcher element (technically a radiation glob) of the heavy blaster were perfect for usurping the defenses of Force-users. 1:53 Could be a "magazine" tube that holds battery packs... 5:42 ...I stand corrected.
