lol @10:00 the Charisma Magazine headline: "Jakes, Morris and Evans: The Dallas Megachurches Slammed with Spiritual Warfare" Oh, yeah, blame the devil for all their sins. Don't take responsibility, just put the blame on someone else. Shameful.
Friend, the Bible says in Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places KJV. From the beginning of time. There has been a spiritual war between good and evil. In the book of Daniel 10:13 tells that Gabriel was 21 days late. Getting back to Daniel to explain a vision. Why did it take 21 days? It was because there was an evil entity that required Michael to put a stop to it. So, the Bible tells us who we are fighting against, it’s not the flesh. Tony Evans took responsibility when he humbled himself. By resigning and getting his spiritual armor repaired. So, he did take responsibility. Furthermore, those who preach and teach. Are automatic enemies of the adversary for obvious reasons. My siblings in Christ, who are throwing pebbles. What sin would be exposed in our own closets?
Hi, the strangest negative of what the son preached on was not against the power sin has, but exciting the congregation of Tony's return. No godly sorrow, just a mockery of what is written in scripture concerning morality for leadership in ministry. No one was interested in the way of God, but selfish of what they desire. He was working the crowd.
Amen! Celebrating what should be a shameful disqualification. No Pastor can turn away from God and return to ministry. Redemption is possible sure but your chance to lead and teach is OVER
After you repent, how long do you mourn and sorrow over it? Should it be a week, maybe a few months or a few years or decades? You need to make sure you mourn over it for an adequate amount of time to be REALLY sure you're forgiven, right? No, I don't want to be disrespectful, but as a sister, I hope you don't do this to yourself. I have done this to myself, and it's wrong. If you truly repent, God says he forgives and it's forgotten, erased. How dare we give someone else a certain time period that they should mourn over their sin. Yes, trust is earned back, but how many stones should we cast? None.
What bothers me is the arrogance that none of them have repented publicly. These are pastors in leadership roles and they should lead by example. Tony Evans should not get a pass and sweep it under the rug!!
Matthew chapter 6, Your Heavenly Father KNOWS what you are in need of EVEN BEFORE you ask. Trust him to handle your situation, step out in FAITH and PROVE him. God bless you in Jesus name amen.
Wow so judgmental. Should you get a pass because of your sin or sins? I can respect a man of God repent when he falls short but I guess you’re the only person on earth who is perfect like Jesus and don’t need to repent. You know he always preached salvation but I guess that’s not good enough you have to see people get brought down so you can fell good about yourself.
@@Dundatta258 "For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven (Mt. 5:20)". That a public figure steps down for an unspecified personal reason to avoid scrutiny is one thing. But if such a personality, after having vaguely admitted to a moral failure, would even hint at simply returning to her position without any further explanation, even the world would hold her and her entourage to account. Judgmental? No; just common sense, in my opinion. "For the sons of this age are more astute than the sons of light in dealing with their own people (Luke 16:8b)."
One quick question. Did David repent to Bathsheba for killing her husband? Does the Bible even say if he repented to her or told anyone else about that sin. He did say to God, “I have sinned against you and you alone (Psalm 51:4). If that applies to the guy after God’s own heart, why would it be different today?
@@damianlaw5560 "Psalm 51: A Prayer for Restoration. For the choir director. A Davidic psalm, when Nathan the prophet came to him after he had gone to Bathsheba." Reads to me as if David's sin did not stay a secret between him, Nathan and God.
🙏🏼Amen, Pastor Smith! Yes, we are all sinners in this fleshly body but when people look up to you for guidance, you should not continue in sin! I don't know who this Tony Evans is, but if he is deceiving the flock, he needs to repent(change of mind)! Thank You JESUS! Hallelujah! Praise GOD! ♥
It did not bother me that he stepped down from the pulpit without revealing what the sin was. However, if he wants to be restored to the pulpit, I think he has a duty to reveal what the sin was, so that we can all be reassured that it was not a Biblically disqualifying sin.
Where in the Bible does it teach about the biblically disqualifying sins????? Please share the Bible references so that I can be more biblically educated. I know that the bible teaches that if we (Tony Evans) confess our sins (TO GOD) He (GOD) is faithful and just to forgive us (Tony Evans) and to cleanse us (Tony Evans) from ALL unrighteousness. Should anyone be casting stones??
Recently, my mother purchased a Tony Evans bible study from Sams Club. It was filled to the brim with the word of faith doctrine. I shared my concerns and my mother insisted he's a good bible based pastor. She enjoyed the book so much she gave away copies as gifts. I asked the Holy Spirit to show my mother the doctrine errors of Tony Evans teachings and he did! She's currently reading Doctrine Matters Bible Topic Guidebook. My mother's now gifting your Guidebook to fellow believers. Thanks brother Spencer for sharing the doctrine of Gods Word vs. man. Your channel and edu. books have helped grow our families walk with the Lord. May God bless you and your family.
He’s 74. Why does he need to come back? Why can’t ministers retire anymore? No shame in retirement. Even Joyce Meyer is 80 and they walk her out to stage in conferences still!!!! Why can’t they just retire like anyone else? I’m afraid of the answer. I attended a Joyce conference and she wasn’t completely there. But she sells the books and tickets. And all the STAFF make a living off them. Sad to say. But true.
As a babe in Christ back when before soap was invented, I remember a brother in Christ say, and I paraphrase, "There are Three Gs that will cause a pastor's donwfall: Gold, Glory, Girls."
they all blame their sin on some trauma they had in the past, take a short holiday and they get back on the stage. That's kind of the procedure for these exposed false teachers, they have no shame.
That’s not right to judge especially when he was vocal against same sex marriages and other issues. We all sin but he repented and he is trying to restore his relationship with God. So it’s like when did you come off the cross and save someone? Like for real he said he didn’t use righteous judgement.
There was an online article that said Evans' congregation viewed his admission of sin as a sign of "spiritual maturity." This suggests the climate is ripe for Tony Evans to come back to the pulipt and that his congregation isn't upset by his confession. Plus, as you can hear in Spencer's clip, Evans' church was applauding his pre-announced return. It shows that congregants today don't really care about sin, only about the cult of personality.
Yes it is. It is in Galatians Even if a man be overtaken in any trespass, ye who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to thyself, lest thou also be tempted" is a verse from the Bible, Galatians 6:1
No. There isn't anything in Scripture that says you can restore a Pastor back to the pulpit. The qualifications in 1 Timothy and Titus make it clear. The verse in Galatians is talking about a sinning brother or sister. Obviously if Tony Evans truly repented he is forgiven BUT not back in the pulpit.
🙏It is becoming more and more apparent that Evans lacks the humility to repent before the Lord fully and resign--as he should. He said that he fell short and was disqualified according to 1 Timothy 3:1-7. It is also apparent watching the clip of his son preaching that the church he led for years has Evans on a pedestal. (The cheering and clapping for him is SO disturbing!) In other words, they revere and worship him as their pastor more than they do JESUS as their Savior. Why do I say such a thing? Because the biblical qualifications are SO CLEAR! Bro. Spencer explained them as well in this video, yet Evans' church behaves as though they are ignorant of this passage of Scripture or they choose to ignore it. Either one is not good...
Of course. It is now a sin to have any kind of standard. My question is how long ago did he do this. And he preached all of these years and had no repentance until now. And why now was someone going to expose him if he didn’t come forward. This seems like Robert Morris
If Tony Evans does come back this soon, then it will be evidence that whatever sin he committed, he must not have truly repented, because it will take longer than a week for one to be restored from such a sin that would cause one to step down.
He should never be allowed to preach again, let alone this soon. God can and will forgive all but one sin, assuming the sinner has truly repented. We as Christians should do the same. But there are clear and strict biblical standards for the office of pastor, and once you have violated any of them you are no longer qualified to lead a congregation, forgiven or not.
That’s correct, we don’t know the sin,That’s the problem, we don’t know if he’s healed or healing. So that’s kind of deceitful. You are a leader of Many. How can you repent of something That you are not acknowledging what you did. Give it some time to really heal. If that happens you can be transparent with your followers.
Can there be true repentance and “restoration” if he can’t even confess his sin to the body? I mean, it’s one thing if you’re an individual and your sin doesn’t involve someone else, you can go to your pastor and who needs to know… but if you’re a pastor, an elder, imho, you have a responsibility to confess your sin to the body over which you have spiritual authority so that they can offer true forgiveness and then decide what route the man needs to take. He doesn’t just decide for himself. That’s ludicrous.
1 John 1:6-10 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
In their Christ conviction they need to be very learned in as much of every area of life as possible while at the same time have and keep a squeaky clean record in respect to immoral conduct.
More accurate to say it's probably just hardest for those without a real heart for it. But btw, I dont know what is being discussed here. Totally zero info about it.. how can anyone judge righteously just talking in hypothetics here. No new info?
After you repent, how long do you mourn and sorrow over it? Should it be a week, maybe a few months or a few years or decades? You need to make sure you mourn over it for an adequate amount of time to be REALLY sure you're forgiven, right? No, I don't want to be disrespectful, but as a sister, I hope you don't do this to yourself. I have done this to myself, and it's wrong. If you truly repent, God says he forgives and it's forgotten, erased. How dare we give someone else a certain time period that they should mourn over their sin. How many stones should we cast before someone haa really earned their forgiveness? That being said, yes, trust is earned once it's been broken. And I totally agree that there may be certain sinful actions that would prevent someone for retaking a position of leadership. I won't pretend to know all the judgments of God, but looking at Paul a murderer, King David a murderer, Noah a drunk, Moses a murderer, Solomon a fornicator, and the list goes on, there is true repentance of those men and God still gave them leadership, although they also had been chastised by the Lord and some, like Moses and David did not get to receive some of the promises while in the flesh. And brother, all of us are as sinful rags and all have fallen short of the glory of God. There are none that do good, no, not one, but only through repentance and redemption through Jesus Christ. Yes, I'm a woman, but I will speak up in love. We all make this mistake in judgement when we don't know the whole story. It's gossip, plain and simple. We don't know what Tony did and we don't know if he didn’t truly repent. If he didn't, then God will make it known if He wants to and He can deal with it in his own way. Yes, hold all men accountable, but who are we to say someone needs to pay for their sin in any certain way. God is the judge. Even while writing this I can see my own sinful revengeful thoughts I've had about people's mistakes, and it's totally carnal minded. It's time for all of us to seek what true love is.
Obviously that church may, through whatever ecclesiastical structure that is in place, approve of Tony Evans returning to that pulpit. In principle, however, when there is a relationship, if there is a lack of transparency, there is a lack of trust. That, alone, should halt many from voting to approve of his return. And besides all of that, those outside of that local church who have "partnered" with that ministry in anyway such as giving money, giving attention, giving credence or time in discipleship, you certainly have your own vote to cast as to whether or not you will permit Evans such a role or you, engaged in such a manner, once again. To which I would point, a second time, to the principle of a lack of transparency means a lack of trust. With whom would you have a trusting relationship if that person told you he or she violated your trust but was unwilling to confide in you in order to "confess your faults *(harmartia - sins against another), one to another" and reconcile, properly? No one. You would remain without reconciliation.
It’s because there has been an abuse of grace preached across America to where they have presented this fluffy Jesus who just winks His eye at sin because He loves us so much!!! They have poured straight sugar syrup over the congregations across America to where there are ZERO conditions to salvation Except just repent Once & believe … and everything is under grace….that’s what the majority of the apostate church thinks , because it’s been taught. Or you have the other side who can live as sinful as they want and just do good works, and tell the man in the box you are sorry today, and go live like the devil again tomorrow. It’s shameful just how lost the wide gate church is. Unbelievable times! 💔😓
(1 Corinthians 15:1-4). THE GOSPEL THAT SAVES, PAUL SPEAKING This is the only Gospel that can save your soul today there is no other Moreover, brethren, I declared unto you the Gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand, by which also you are saved if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Believe in your heart that Jesus Christ died for your sins, was buried, and that Jesus rose from the dead and you shall be saved Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace, you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. The gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes (Romans 1:16). It is not based on human traditions, rituals, or works, but on the finished work of Christ on the Cross. He died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day, according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). No human effort is allowed in salvation. No Confessing, Praying, No Asking! No Calling. WE ARE NOT SAVED BY FOLLOWING THE LEVITICAL LAW OF THE OLD TESTAMENT! NOR ARE WE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE LAW AFTER WE ARE SAVED! SALVATION IS OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR ALL WHO "BELIEVE" THE GOSPEL 1 COR 15:1- 4 KJV BASED ON THE DEATH, BURIAL, & PHYSICAL RESURRECTION OF GOD THE SON JESUS CHRIST. Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. Romans 8:2 ESV For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. Romans 2:16 paul speaking 16 in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Colossians 1:20 The Blood Of Jesus 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Ephesians 1:7 The Blood Of Jesus 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 1 John 1:7 The Blood Of Jesus 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. Pauls strong message to those that preach another gospel If any religion or church or person teaches or adds anything to the gospel of our lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to be saved, they and all who believe in them and trust in them according to the apostle Paul they are accursed. (damned). What happens if we or an Angel From Heaven Preach a different Gospel then Paul preached. Paul preached the Gospel by revelation of Christ. (Galatians 1:1-12) Paul Was Taught The Gospel By Jesus Himself I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another Gospel: Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so I say now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you then that ye have received, let him be accursed. But I certify you, brethren that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
When a man shows himself to be under the authority of God's word and never wavers, he lifts up the name of Christ and his Gospel. He then, by submitting his life to what the scripture says, he proves that both his doctrine and character are sound.
I also would be for Spencer doing that. However I wouldn't start getting too down on Robert Morris or Tony Evans quite yet because we can't really know for certain if either of these allegations or admissions are even totally true knowing the way the public media and the lobbies who influence them function today and if they aren't then it is all just a smokescreen of some kind for the Christians.
Iam not for Tony Evans ..but until we find out why he left ..we cant say what ..But if he has committed a grave sin ..he no longer belongs in the pulpit
@@kelvinbarber1765 A very serious sin that could possibly cause reproach upon the person later on in life ..Look up the word grave and it will tell you what it means in the dictionary
Most modern church pastors wouldn’t even qualify to run a lemonade stand much less a church who follows 1 Timothy 3. Also need to put pastor John-Paul Miller from solid rock church in Myrtle Beach with Tony Evans because he’s not qualified as well because he abused his wife to the point where she committed suicide. I pray that they will find the true Christ and not a false Christ
I was a members in the early 2000's and he was beside himself. I was see him at the gym and he wouldn't even speak or acknowledge his own member. If he walked into a conversation and would not say excuse me before interrupting. The more you work with God and do what's right. That walk becomes easier. What ever you feed will dominate.
There is absolutely no humility in the way Jonathon is preaching! This should be a time of reflection, repentance and restoration!! He’s already talking about how his dad is going to come back!! I’m not at all surprised by this but still upset. Please Evans family, just go away!!!
Yeah I couldn't watch it cause it was like my daddy this and that and that's not okay...we are not to praise man but God only...these people are confused prayers to them because they seem a bit lost
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He needs to confess as to why he stepped down because you don’t step down from that big of a ministry without it being something pretty bad. There are things that should never allow a man to be a pastor again.
I don’t know anything about Tony Evans or who he is but I do know I am really getting tired of RU-vid pastors thinking that God cannot restore a person back into the ministry that once they sin they must step down forever what kind of a forgiving God is that ? oh wait it’s not God it’s man . man cannot seem to forgive anything I believe this man Tony Evans whoever he is can be restored only by God without man’s opinion. And you cannot assume what level of sin he did without knowing. you know what the word assume means? it will make an ass out of you….. I would also add that Paul was a hate filled murder at one point
If the church is non-denominational, the Pastor (and his family) OWN it. "Resign" just means he won't be preaching every Sunday. As the owner, money will NEVER stop flowing into his pockets - until he dies. OWNership provides for this BUSINESS to receive a religious tax exemption; tithes and offerings become property of the owner; sons and family members thru the generations will inherit the title of pastor, thus continuing the grift; being non-denominational, theological Seminary degrees are not required; there is NEVER a Denomination Church Board or Presbytery that oversees or restricts the Pastor's smallest whim; deacons are chosen for their loyalty to the pastor.
I hope a lot of people read your comment... What you have written is 1,000% correct. What you have written about "NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES" is not common knowledge, even to to congregation members. These "CHURCHES" ??? are "PRIVATE FAITH-BASED BUSINESSES" operating under IRS 503.C tax exemption. The churches do not have national tier authority. ie, elder selections, mission structure, rules of order, by-laws, protocols, ceremonial proceedings are set by each local congregation....there is no national governing board (like the COGIC congregations, for example) that oversees and monitors what local congregations do. This was frowned upon by old-school Christians, because there was no system of checks & balances to that GOD'S WORD & The Gospel of Jesus Christ was preached. It was a safeguard ward off "heretics" who preached "their own gospel". One of the very recent cases of this was the late well-renown Bishop Carlton Pearson, who preached there is no "hell"...he was swiftly expelled. Non-Demonational churches are basically self-governed. Dr. Evans, whether he's basking in the sun on a tropical beach, sipping margaritas in Margaritaville, or whatever.... Dr, Evans's salary will continue, his SS benefits continue, his royalties. Church still receives money... his children pastor.. WIN! WIN! for all.
Brother Smith, I'll be honest for a good minute I stopped watching your videos because I heard you say the Gospel preached by Ray Comfort was good. This was in the video where you and your family went to Noah's ark theme park and said that the narration by Ray Comfort about the Gospel was good. I tend to disagree and thought well If Spencer believes this as the Gospel then I can't associate. But just now I went to your Lighthouse Ministry Page and saw your doctrinal beliefs on Salvation. Then now I'm like SHOOT! I should have given you the benefit of the doubt, because the Gospel statement is 100% correct. Sorry. Honest question. Do you really think Ray Comfort's view on Salvation is correct? I know that he preaches a good way of showing sinners they need Christ. But So many street evangelist make such a big deal of works to show repentance when the repentance is actually a turning from the disbelief in Christ to a Belief in him and nothing else But Christ mercy and grace is what's needed for salvation.
You must hold yourself to the sane standard, then. "Make public your past sins so that everyone knows what you did and discern whether you're worthy of forgiveness." Now, is that what Jesus does? Yes, he can expose a current sin to others to help bring us to and humble us to conviction and repentance, but for a past sin, does He do this once it's forgiven? Obviously, a number of Tony's staff knows what he did and he's confessed to them and he's holding himself accountable, apparently. I would ask you to do the same thing with all your past sins if you ask a man to do the same. When you think about that, you'll realize the mercy of our Lord and just what you are asking. We must love each other as we would want others to love us. Repented sin is erased by the blood of Jesus Christ. This is all just speculation and gossip, which the Lord hates.
@@cyndih4720 Cindi, no, there is a major difference between making your own sin known to the LORD in your personal repentance, and someone who served on a major public platform in the "Name of the LORD", and then fall into sin which disqualifies them from public ministry, but not wanting to be open and transparent about it to the wider international Body of Christ about it, and (to make things even worse) then at the same time giving hints of a return to public ministry. We salute Tony Evans for publicly stepping down, but for honor and trust in him and in the wider church spiritual leadership, he needs to make known what it was so that he can be accountable to the rest of the Church. His sin is not just a personal thing, but is in the interest of the international Body of Christ so that honor, trust, accountability, and transparency can be upheld - the testimony of the Name of the LORD and of the Church are at stake. It NOT a matter of wanting to shame a brother while trying to keep your own sin secret...
@BibleinContext-dw5cl Thank you for your thoughts on this. Regardless of how I still feel about the things being spoken on this video and in the comments section, the crime-less sin Tony committed in the past is none of our business who are not part of his congregation or in support of his ministry. And it may very well be a sin that isn't their business either, especially if repented of.
@cyndih4720 Thank you, Cindy. I do understand why you feel like this. The problem is that nobody will know if he doesn’t bring it to light. He did something that was so serious that it caused him to step down as a senior and very public leader in the international church arena, and that brings a lot of doubt and questions from believers and unbelievers. This is a credibility issue for the witness and character of the church. Therefore, it is not so that it is none of our business (us who make up the larger Body of Christ) and that we all should just move on as if nothing has really happened and mind our own business... No, no matter how painful it is, it must be brought in the light and dealt with in the light. True church discipline is one of the church disciplines that is the least practiced properly and biblically, and in this case, it is certainly also the case. As I said, there is already sounds of his future return to public ministry, and that is very problematic in the light of the fact that he didn't disclose what his moral failure was that disqualified him from the very ministry he wants to return to. I pray he will do the right thing for the honor of the Name of our LORD and His testimony in the church. Thank you for your kindness 🙏
It seems these pastors like Evans and Morris, are only admitting these things because someone else had brought it up and exposed them. If they were truly repentant, they wouldnt wait to step down until they were caught, they would have stepped down right after they fell into sin. I seriously doubt these men are even saved
you’re right, that’s why he used the word “offense” as if they have a fight on their hands. Fighting someone in defense of allegations, so they plan to go on the offense instead. Wolves.
@@pinkparrotfish1335 If you were trying to fight those "trying to expose you" in defense to try and prove to everyone that the allegations are untrue then that is different. You would be right to act defensive if it did turn out that they were false rather than if it was the sin that you are being blamed for that you were trying to defend.
I'm big on Tony Evans I'm not sure what he did. Depends on what he did he should step down or not. Stop condeming the man you have no idea what happened The devil is a liar n knows scriptures just as much Like this guy talking bad. Tony Evans had great doctrine
Tony Evans says what these folks want to hear. This is the norm , not the exception. There are many people who really want more sermons from Robert Morris
Just like Swaggart,the danger of celebrity,they spin the sin of David of another dispensation,and apply it to their fall under the church age dispensation of grace,with direct commandments of qualification,and disqualifications.
Watching from SE Texas and probably a bit closer to this than some other viewers are. The major cities in my state all have false teachers like Tony Evans, Robert Morris, etc., but the DFW area is getting hit particularly hard right now as far as these sudden scandals go. Make no mistake: ALL of the major cities here are cesspools for this type of stuff. If you come to this state, try to keep at least a 60-mile radius from any major city and stick to the small towns. You're far more likely to find good preaching that way.
Okay, I’ve listened to a few of your “messages”, I must say that you NEED to study God’s word more. You’re WAY off on a lot of things. You’re basically saying a preacher must be perfect, and NO MAN is perfect.
Usually Pastors get caught up in the temptation of fame, fortune, or fantasy ( usually sexual sin). The only thing that came to mind was that maybe it has something to do with his new marriage. Personally; i thought he remained too soon after his late wife's death. But how soon is too soon, if it was this🤔🤔🤔
There isn’t degrees of sin correct? Isn’t all sin the same.? And if all sin the same then how can we expect pastors to stay at the pulpit when they sin cause we all sin. I’m confused. 😢
Didn’t the church board ask him to step down, instead of step “aside” in order to be restored? The man could have gone on vacation and no one would have ever known, since the “moral failure” has not been brought to light.
What about Peter who denied Jesus 3 times and preached a sermon less than two months later that helped 3000 people turn to Christ. This story is also written in plain English. Please show me one story of a man in the Bible that God stripped of his role while he was still living.
You must read your Bible, the rules for a Bishop or Pastor are clearly laid down in 1Tim 3, any deviation from this disqualify one from holding that office!
@@brettstiltner4143 Thank you for your response. If the passages you are referencing are in Titus and first Timothy I would challenge you to show me the word disqualify or disqualification. In Titus Paul begins the discourse with “The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you” (Titus 1:5 NIV). In 1 Timothy 3 Paul begins the passage by saying this is a trustworthy saying, and gives the characteristics of an elder. I know the header may say qualification on an Overseer, but the words qualification or more importantly disqualification does not appear in this passage either. I would challenge you to read all of Scripture and see God’s dealings with fallen leaders. If there is an example that I am forgetting please show me, but even the fallen leaders in Scripture kept their position of leadership until they died. It may appear that some of them may have died sooner than they would have had they not falling, but they still held their position until they died. I would agree that some have been appointed to their positions without demonstrating all of the traits listed in those passages, thus operating outside of God’s call for their lives and ultimately setting themselves and possibly the people who follow them up for disaster. But if God has called someone to their position, authenticated their ministry by bearing fruit over time, I would argue that He knew in advance they would fall, before calling them or authenticating their ministry. Based on His example of dealing with fallen leaders, many of which we read their writings and consider them authoritative, we might consider the word disqualified as a term that man inserted into the text. Thank you for engaging with me.
@@brettstiltner4143 Thank you for your response. If the passages you are referencing are in Titus and first Timothy I would challenge you to show me the word disqualify or disqualification. In Titus Paul begins the discourse with “The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you” (Titus 1:5 NIV). In 1 Timothy 3 Paul begins the passage by saying this is a trustworthy saying, and gives the characteristics of an elder. I know the header may say qualification on an Overseer, but the words qualification or more importantly disqualification does not appear in this passage either. I would challenge you to read all of Scripture and see God’s dealings with fallen leaders. If there is an example that I am forgetting please show me, but even the fallen leaders in Scripture kept their position of leadership until they died. It may appear that some of them may have died sooner than they would have had they not falling, but they still held their position until they died. I would agree that some have been appointed to their positions without demonstrating all of the traits listed in those passages, thus operating outside of God’s call for their lives and ultimately setting themselves and possibly the people who follow them up for disaster. But if God has called someone to their position, authenticated their ministry by bearing fruit over time, I would argue that He knew in advance they would fall, before calling them or authenticating their ministry. Based on His example of dealing with fallen leaders, many of which we read their writings and consider them authoritative, we might consider the word disqualified as a term that man inserted into the text. Thank you for engaging with me.
(1) Peter wasn't a minister when he denied Christ. (2) God permanently removed Abiathar from being the high priest and the priesthood while he was still alive because he joined Adonijah's coup against David. You can read all about it in 1 Kin. 1:5-7, 2:26-27. The Bible is consistent in BOTH Testaments that ministers who are involved in scandalous behavior can be(an probably should be) permanently removed from ministry.
But it’s Tony’s church so he does what Tony wants. Tony still wants tithes and offerings though he won’t disclose his super_spiritual sin to mere mortals! It’s a family business and pple don’t mind listening to a polluted msg frm a pastor who hides his sin, yet expects absolute allegiance!
Tony Evans is a man of God. I don't know what happened, but he taught the true word of God . His teaching was biblical teaching. What he did is between him and God. He has to answer for that. Wrong is wrong. Everyone sins ever day. God do forgive. Just saying. 🙏❤️
I think Dr. Tony Evans is causing his followers to trip up. He might as well not have stepped down if he can't publicly disclose what sin he is in violation. Otherwise it just seems like a head game and now his integrity as a man of God is in question.
This is so disturbing but then I think wait, are these true men of God? If so, they would repent and step down. They are called to a higher accountability than others in the faith. Most of these men are wolves and or hirelings. God is exposing the unfruitful works of darkness. Why is everyone so surprised? Too many today elevate pastors and the church to a place only God should have. He is calling us back to our first love.
@@FriendlyEvangelist rather than R Kelly, Spencer needs to hone in on scandalous stuff LIKE THAT! The typical Christians probably won't go near Kelly or Diddy... But probably won't suspect any music your pastor turned you towards.
Tony can not return without revealing the sin. Then the church decides whether he is allowed to return. The church must determine if the sin is disqualifying, not Tony or his son. It would be different if Tony took a sabbatical or needed a rest but that is not what happened. He does not get to step back in, no question asked. Scripture is clear on removal of leaders, and those things that disqualify one from ministry.
