Are Top Streamers Actually Cheating? 

So you're telling me that every sus flick I've seen from streamers should be brushed off as "high sensitivity"?

i'm not saying all streamers cheat, but man some of them have to make you wonder. especially ones that don't really have prior esports/proplaying experience to explain where the skill came from.

I wish we could all see how many times we've been reported for different things.

It’s not about how good or skilled these clowns are. It’s about how skilled they are at concealing their cheats. Times have changed. This younger generation is full of cheaters.

A lot of the reasons for why the suspicious clips in the first half of the video are deemed not cheating just boil down to "they have a history of being good". But as anyone who has seen any speedrun cheating investigation videos, the most ppl that are likely to cheat are those who are already good at the game. I am not saying that those streamers are cheating, but "They are not currently banned" + "they have a history of being good" is not any form of vindication for suspicious clips.

Studzy was pretty smart, instead of denying it and making it worse for himself, he chose to cause commotion instead

soft aim is the scariest thing u can never guess who's cheating Unless a real detective can analyze the vods of the person you are suspecting

I don’t think top streamers cheat, but one thing I will say is that alot of streamers absolutely gate keep. For example, controller streamers won’t show their real config layouts, mnk streamers won’t tell if they’ve messed with the files to easily superglide in game. This is a real thing and I see it more often than not.

CoD has so many streaming cheaters that it's affecting other games trust in streamers.

This dudes entire "debunk" for the cheats is just "they have a high mouse sensitivity" If the streamer has never done a hand cam or competed in LAN events but still shreds they're possibly cheating. BackOffmyJankz is a good example of someone most likely cheating, has no recoil on controller and says it's all recoil pattern memorization but also never competes in LAN tournaments or done a handcam. Most likely has a strikepack to fight recoil.

really enjoy the high quality productions you're putting out lately! Props to your editor too

dude whoever your editor is.. hes crazy good. and if you edit your own videos. thats even more sick. fire video

Not sure if anyone else ever feels like this, but when playing apex it seems I get nerfed. I don't move as fast, it's constant sluggish, my shots miss entirely and then after a game or two my skill seems to come back and I'm kill leader and all my shots hit. It's kind of aggravating.

This video can’t be taken at face value based solely on bias and already having one’s mind made up before hand on some players. Even 1 player bias throws the whole video off.

I absolutely love this video format, there is so much information packed into this video

this guy 100% is an EA employee doing damages control

To me the problem is the simple fact that so long that there is good money to be made there will be a plethora of cheaters looking to put themselves in a position to get recognized and it gets even worse when there is a ranked ladder involved because most of the popular streamers and RU-vidrs play at the top of the ladder so to piggyback off those content creators you cheat your way to the top to give yourself a better shot at getting noticed. Granted most of these types get found out cause they aren’t smart enough/technical enough to keep it hidden for long. Sadly this has developed into an environment where people just don’t trust other people to play fair.

An INCREDIBLE amount of "good" players are cheating. Simpletons will protect them. And they ramp up the pointless empty bravado some times to pretend they're offended, but the amount of times someone perfectly tracks a moving target even with sudden jittery movement is a really good giveaway. And, as said in the video, aimbots can be toggled on and off, nospread means all your shots can hit even without aimbot where there would be recoil. Hell, just wallhacks or ESP is a MASSIVE advantage to mount or avoid ambushes...

There's probably more streamers cheating than you'd think. I don't mind streamers cheating because It's fun when they get caught, mocked and ridiculed.

The editing on this video was really good I love the music and how it's not to over the top. Good job 👍

It's worse than people think. These guys aren't using 3rd party hacks. They are provided special versions of the game by the devs themselves. Cheats built right in. It's marketing people. You watch them hit crazy shots and plays that make the game look more fun than it is, so you wanna run out and buy the game to try and emulate your favorite streamer. It's literally advertising. Between bad or spotty connections, server speeds, half-assed netcode, and just general bugs, there is no way in hell these players hit the shit they do with consistency they do. It's why e-sports are done via LAN and not online. It isn't hard to put this stuff together, people. It's all just about selling you a product and making money.

The absolute worst cheaters in a battle royal are wall hackers, it doesn't matter how mechanically good you are unless you come up against them in an open space with nothing to hide behind they're going to out game sense you.

I think its naive to think a lot of them dont cheat, especially with how much money is on the line and how good cheat providers are becoming at making "stream proof cheats". None of them are blatant and they are good players already, but they use cheats to get that little bit of extra assistance in order to take them to the next level.

Do you have any aim exercises or movement exercises before games, I am new to apex and I hope I can be as good as you one day

All I'm saying is, the level of speed, control and accuracy these players have isn't from talent or experience to simply shit on 3 players in close proximity and even the same gunfights. They definitely hide exploits behind the files.

Shroud used to have a humanized aimbot that did a aim correction, same pattern everytime. Shroud toggled aimbot for seconds to find out enemy locations. When Shrouds uses mouse cam he suks.

ottr's channel has grown so much btw i used to watch u when u were at 2k subs

When the research is so hard you start asking on Phub

content aside, the editing is pure butter 🔥🔥 give ur editor a raise

The biggest issue i have with this discussion in terms of pro players and streamers is the assumption that cheating equals straight up aimbot or wallhacks/esp. There literally exists cheats that do nothing more than REDUCE recoil (i am not talking about macros, i am talking process manipulation to actively reduce recoil, sway etc by a whatever factor you want, which in turn makes controlling said recoil FAAAAR easier). You also have either packet sniffers or straight up man in the middle software to setup radars (i.e a radar on a secondary pc/phone)... linux has more than one solution for this currently and has not (and will not) be detected currently as it's a kernel level cheat and the software to actually render this is done on another pc (EAC is nothing short of useless when it comes to ring0 cheats.. which the majority of competitively oriented cheats in apex are). Should be mentioned that i know for A FACT that this kind of cheat has been used in ALGS qualifiers by at least one team (i say at least one as they were being overly defensive and avoiding other teams the best they could... and would get randomly RUN DOWN by 2 specific teams every game they played). This is the same kind of discussion pretty much every sport has been having as well... PEDS (steroids, EPO, HGH etc) don't make you better SKILL wise, but it does allow you to do things more consistently and for far longer (i.e allows you to push physicality to a level where you would not be able to for any sustained periods). In other words.. if you are already good, you will get a lot better without it being "inhuman". This is very much comparable to streamers who are mostly known for their "inhuman skill" and absurd consistency, some of which who are so consistent that it boggles the mind (i.e playing for 24+hours straight without rest and not having a single dip in performance as an example). In the case of sports, everyone swears they aren't cheating in some fashion regardless of how absurd they look physically.... until they pop and everyone goes "durrr, it was so obvious". This has already been happening in valorant, and it's just a matter of time it starts happening every other title when they eventually/hopefully get their shit together in terms of their anticheat efforts. And just to expand on the apex issue... there are 2 cheat developers that i know of who focus primarily on hardware cheating (DMA/Direct Memory Access based cheating via a pci-e card linked to another device) that are more or less completely aimed toward competitive players that sell roughly 25-50 cards/devices A WEEK (i.e they sellout almost immedietly, and are completely dependant on how many pci leech/pci-e screamer cards are available at any given time).... these cards with software cost roughly 500-1200€ WITH A MONTHLY LICENSE anywhere between 25€ to 100€ a month attached to it.. none of them are detected by EAC and you would not know they were cheating if you were spectating or even standing beside them(unless they are running 'rage hack' settings). It makes you question things when you have a new aim god pop out of the woodwork every other day, it also makes you question things when you have several players at the latest apex lans looking like shells of themselves in terms of aim alone. As for genburten... he is a good player with a very good understanding of positioning and overall game sense (which was apparently enough for him to become world champion... then again they won without him as well).... but he also has an overwhelming amount of weird things happening to him outside of just pure aim.. e.g crosshairs literally moving toward targets while stuck lagging (when your connection is more or less 100% packet lossed the game stops polling input from your devices and kills AA until connection is restored as to avoid major desync), which is relevant as it points toward memory manipulation (reduced recoil and 'enhanced aim assist' do not check for connectivity and will try and force input to your client by memory manipulation, which in turn causes crosshairs to move on certain weapons e.g ev8/PK as the crosshair is on a offset on top of your clients normal view angles) In terms of aim... what he has shown at lan and what he has shown during pubs while playing from home are very different... he has proven he can hit fairly consistently on lan but has been nowhere near the level of aim he has showcased when he is playing from home (i.e he looked no better or worse than other players controller or not)... seriously, we have clips of him hitting nothing but headshots with r99 on a guy 80-100m away and not missing a single bullet while both are moving around erratically, meanwhile he was all over the place in both the stockholm scrims as well as the latest event (i.e he looked VERY inconsistent and looked no better than anyone else there). The genburten that will literally glue his aim on to people and one clip 3-4 people in a row was nowhere to be seen.. it was so stark that he was the least effective damage dealer out of both sharky and Zer0 (it's the complete opposite while they are playing from home). Is this any level of proof that he is cheating?.. no. But you can't help scratch your head at certain things, especially if you are keeping tabs on cheat development and actually pay attention to the ridiculous consistency of certain players.

Notice for the average player: Most top streamers have cheats. They don't shy away from it because it's their job and not a competition (as if that justifies them). Anyone who has had long-term experience in any shooter in eSports and has sufficient experience (LAN or online championships) and level of play - they don’t want to see these streamers. These streamers not only obscure the eyes of all thousands of viewers but also devalue the players who actually have a high level of play. We live in such a time that if a person is ready to spend about $100 a month on a cheat, + buy a board with cheats (which is installed in a PC) and loads at the UEFI level, no anti-cheat will ban them even if you throw 777 reposts (about the game developers themselves I’m not saying at all that they are also laymen and cannot tell the difference between a game with and without a cheat by eye).

Well done video dude. Should do more of these documentary style videos

my view on cheating in video games is they are like really Advanced Bots. if they're there you just have to go after them... if someone's cheating KD doesn't matter it's your obligation to take them out.

nice vid, good quality 👌🏻 I wanna see more of them

Yea good content, your underrated man. Keep the videos coming.

you look 10 years younger in your old clip .. not saying u look old now, but wow what a difference. This was a well put together video. I admire the editing and overall completion of this video. well done my friend , great content !

0:36 hey wait a second what website is that..

I mean many of you have been caught cheating by respawn so i mean you can make excuses but cheaters are gonna find ways to cheat and people like this will keep defending them.

I play lots of fps’ and have the mindset of playing every opponent like they’re cheating, but not assuming everyone I’m playing against is cheating.

i have a question, how do they play with high sense and still have those micro adjustments when aiming? i have very low sense just to mimic them like tracking left and right, up and down, flicks and shit, but i still dont hit anything lol, how do they track and flick with high sense? not sure if im missing something.(not accusing anything, just trying to improve, any advice helps) edit: im also a wrist aim only, my table's a bit high and i grew up doing wrist aim, not arm aim, maybe that's a factor?

I think most of these players definitely honed their skills over many years and grew up with this stuff. However I do think of sports like motorsports where teams will find any way to skirt around the rules set in place to gain an upper hand. Cheating has been a part of motorsports since it began. Always gonna be those kinds of people but I don’t think that’s the majority of good players on these games. Especially if they’ve proved themselves in a LAN environment.

According to someone who codes cheats for Valorant, most of their customers are either kids or content creators (streamers, youtubers, tiktokers, etc). I don't think that the big streamers most people know are cheating, but smaller streamers trying to come up and attract attention through crazy gameplay probably are. The cheat-provider didn't say which content-creators he sold the cheats to, but the interviewer didn't ask him that question. The interview is on Eggwicks channel, if you want to check it out. But like I said, I don't think streamers who are already huge are cheating, but you never truly know.

You vaulting the rail and killing the guy was hilarious though

Good points, it's very difficult to be sure. More places to lan party would reveal true skill and more Anti Wall hack cam that streams a streamers monitor is a step in that direction. 🙂

I had this thought the other day especially once I learned that the cronus zen has Bluetooth capabilities so even players who stream and have a hand cam could still possibly be cheating. Because a hand cam can’t show a Bluetooth connection lol.

I played with Timmy once in a pub match. Last guy was ratting in a weird spot I never seen before on W.E. Timmy knew exactly where he was! It was super sus ngl

Lmao the timmy thumbnail 😂😂😂

dude you and your editor are on another level. Subscribed.

"Celebrity don't mean integrity" - Kendrick Lamar

my only sympathy for this is my own experience, my friends and I used to play A LOT of R6, and I mean, lots. it was highschool, so we had nothing better to do. the countless amounts of time we just pre fired through soft walls or just guessed common locations and got hella sus kills was ridiculous. If some random highschoolers with only slightly above average ability can do it, streamers and pros can do it without a doubt in my mind.

The thing I struggle believing is seeing absolutely no recoil when people shoot. I can’t look at my recoil control and then see someone with no recoil and not think something is up.

0:31 WOAH HE SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR! this must be worth the watch

Actually lulu had a video where she supposedly was doing jigger shooting but it wasn't even adding up. Sorry but some or most of the streamers are whitelisted .

Honestly, you can just feel when you are up against a cheater. There is a certain rhythm, timing, cause/effect that you become used to experiencing. When that is feeling is disturbed, you can just tell that cheats are involved. I think the topmost streamers would find it impossible to get away with cheats.

the aimkick when vaulting is very annoying, i once climbed up a ledge with a pk and when i was almost at the top i allready started preaiming my opponent, when i finally finished climbing, my crosshair kicked up and missed the easy shot

You invented a brilliant word. Not bandwaggoning... but banwaggoning 😂

I gotta say it is pretty frustrating when you put in the hours and grind, know you are good, but other people are “better” because they just hit 100% of shots while aimbotting. It’s a bit like viewbotting on twitch and forcing yourself onto the top of the recommended page. Like there are other people there with genuine views who prob spent the last year trying to move up the Recommendations page. I think there are just are just too many sociopath gamers who don’t care about fairness or actual skill. They just want the title of best player and all the donos and attention that come with it.

All a part of a larger experiment. Never in my life has that been true, I’ve heard it from cheaters dozens of times so now when I hear this I just KNOW it means it’s an admission of guilt whether they say it or not.

Damn what is this editing tho top tier.

that ojisan-94 guy in that end clip seems really good I wonder what kind of gaming chair they have

Watching Verhulst SoloQ to master with relative ease i noticed how insanely accurate he is at predicting from where opponents will peak next. To me that is experience because he is not always right. He just knows the EXACT spot on every rock where you would peak.

Little nitpick but the "silent aimbot" is probably just as well known (if not more) as a "magic bullet" cheat

that whole thing about studzy means that this goes far deeper then anybody could imagine. he threaten to expose people(prolly cause they didn't back him up) then nothing almost like the man didn't exist. kinda scary if you ask me

How do you get that recoli control on controller?

damn imagine yuurah wasnt actually cheating and they just perma banned him he could've made this game his career and they just stopped it there the amount of power they have is insane

I understand all these skills like flicking are super real people sometimes predict flick which aims on targets you predict would be at that location. Aimbot auto locks on a target so that's out of the question. I noticed a majority of top streamers are using wallhacks tho. Accuracy on that level without audio is impossible they have to had known they would show up exactly where they did.

also tbh I'm not even good at the game, plat level, and I've had people in pubs think I was cheating because I could aim a fully kitted spitfire with no recoil. It's a single good clip from me in 3 hours of playing, imagine what pros deal with when clips like mine won't even register for them and they're all playing 10 hours a day

Editing was so fire in this bro

I think most of them aren’t cheating, but they definitely game the system to get really easy lobbies.

360 quality kek

DISCLAIMER: The guy that apears on minute 10:49 is not FeuFPS, but a apex streamer that was covering SA ALGS tourney.

This editing is incredible!

Yes, It makes them money and the game developers look away because there's eye's on the game they are trying to sell..

It's a crappy world we live in where due to the prevalence of cheating you can't tell if someone is actually a god or has hacks installed. I'm just a dude who wants to blow off some steam in the evenings and weekends but now I'm playing against streamers where this is their day job. At least being a console player I have limited experience of hackers in Apex. I refuse to play warzone. 😂

yo top tier editing on this one

So if someone's gamer tag doesn't match the name on the Legend banner is that sus? The other day I spectated a player who's gamer tag on the lower left hand corner was completely different than the name on the banner in Apex

I never understood why anyone would want to cheat in a video game, it feels wayyy better when you play alot and get to see yourself improve.

i do remember seeing a clip where there were seemingly no bad guys in his field of view, and timmy instantly flicks behind him and pings an enemy. There was no audio that had footsteps or shooting. Possibly using an aimbot but idk.

Ottr with that “chat don’t clip that” 😂 then makes a cheater video. Love this.

Wait Yuraah is the guy that you put in the video for movement right?

Of course, especially when it's about a lot of money on the table, they are obviously cheating and the devs aren't doing anything cos they are advertising their game.

Its fcked that there are lots of cheaters playing the game unnoticed by the system but you have to admit, getting accused of cheating while you're playing legitimately feels good

i love how guys lazer u across the map with wingman when they cant even see u

The first part of the video is hilarious, even I do flicks like that in a lot of fps games I play lol

Thank you for pointing this out. But if there are cheaters that keep coming back, why have they not been put behind bars?

would've loved to watch in better quality ...

I love the "UUUUUUM UHHHHHH UHHHH UMMMM CHAT PLEASE DONT CLIP" its so obviously a lucky coincidence too funny.

I don't think any big streamers are using aim hacks or wall hacks, but I'm convinced a TON are using some sort of no/less recoil stuff. It blows my mind when someone picks up a naked r99 and beams from long range with 0 vertical or side to side recoil

I think what makes it so hard for me to personally differentiate between someone being so insanely attuned to their game and cheating is the fact from 2012 to 2017 when I played in semi-pro on LAN for CoD I would get accused of wall hacking and aim botting and refs would have to look at the set up that THEY gave me. I literally just played thousands and thousands of hours that i knew where people typically would be per unique situation. I don't have those kind of hours dedicated to any particular game anymore but I can understand how the pro streamers are constantly getting accused. Doesn't help that there's been so many streamers who get caught hacking live and they then delete all of the socials and streams after.

I'll tell you this, im italian and a dude i know managed to get in a private italian discord who sells hacks. We're not talking about free hacks you can find on the internet, but specific software that is being sold only to certain people and costs a lot money since it's almost impossible to detect. Apparently many streamers in the italian community who plays FPS games use these cheats, and in general (worldwide) i remember some ex-pro players stating that most of e-sports pro cheats because it has almost became necessary for competing at those levels. There's a lot of money behind streaming and e-sports, i bet that there is a pile of shit behind it.

The Studzy section was chilling. This man said this was an "expirement" involving many other top streamers. Implying that someone is putting together an expirement in the gaming streaming space. He said he will expose others and show people the truth, and then he all of sudden disappears... that's weird man .

Dude, i can flick onto enemies with a controller on PS4 with about 45 fps, the people who accuse others of cheating really need to chill lmao

One thing people forget, especially people below top tier. But players with thousands of hours have (mostly) insane gameknowledge and understand on how teams spread out. Aceu as an example has INSANE game sense when it comes to know where people are and where they have set up, how to attack and how to get back to safety. He knows that teams in high elo mostly want to set up flank watches, disengage-routes, crossfires, high ground, swinging off contact etc. Ofc most of the times you run into randoms with an iq of a McChicken that are easy to punish and therefore easily rack up 10+ kills in a game.

0:37 Oh this man went *everywhere* 💀

What's weird is due to thinking that many streamers and pro players cheat I see a ton of people justify their own cheating or they know they aren't cheating but want to get to that level quicker without any of the work. Seen this on some strikepack players who say they can focus on other things like movement instead of worrying about Aim, recoil control and movement. They can basically take out either aim by boosting Aim assist or recoil by setting it to do that for them (they don't often use both, I hear some say it bugs out when they do both). And I know others that cheat when they see someone in the lobby they think is cheating. These are console players btw. I don't know nor have I spoken to any PC cheaters(that I know of).

Shroud cheats I mean he basically admitted it lol

This sounds so bias. To call someone unskilled for making accusations of cheating is ridiculous to me. It is not naive to think that people who may make a tremendous income by being good at a video game may do something to improve their performance that may be considered cheating. People have been cheating in first person shooters forever. We get that people are skilled. People also cheat.

Wow great video my friend, very interesting. Thanks for your hard work. 💯

i really need that levi background at the beginning

if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? most players are running zen box macros including OTTR. ppl thinks zens not cheating and it is