Are WW2 Navies Accurate In HOI4!? 

Fun fact about the Battle of Leyte Gulf. 5 of the US battleships were rebuilt battleships of Pearl Harbor and they were sent to engage a Japanesse force. This would be the last Battleship vs Battleship battle in history. The US battleships dominated the Japanesse ships and it was considered for the crews of the US Battleships as revenge for Pearl Harbor.

Italy: has 250 ships HoI4: gives them 1922 tecnology the ships after few months:💀

7:00 Actually the WWII in Pacific technically starts with Japanese invasion of Malay Peninsula a few hours before Pearl Harbor.

The Japanese attacked like 20 bases on December 7th, so it wasn’t really the ships that made britain declare war, it was the complete assault Japan did on a bunch of allied pacific holdings that made them declare on Japan. One of my favorite videos has got to be the one where they showed the ships pumped out day by day during the war. Might have been made by this channel. I think it looked at just America and Japan, and it was amazing seeing the USA pump ships of every size out every other day while Japan made a destroyer every month or so.

Zukaku and Shokaku were the most advanced carriers on the planet at the start of the war. For Midway it's not just carrier-borne aircraft on the American side. Midway also had a navy airbase on the island which contributes to the number of American aircraft. But yea the American carriers were usually a lil larger than the Japanese counterparts but especially at the start the Japanese air attacks were better coordinated and usually larger that's also partly due to differing doctrines.

If Paradox wanted to incentivize building navies they shouldn’t have taken away the 15 dockyards feature. As well as incentivize making smaller task forces within a larger fleet. But because paradox is paradox they still can’t figure out a competent naval system that isn’t death stacking or submarine spamming

Tirpitz was basically forced to hide in Norwegian fjords for most of the war.

Maybe they could allow conversion of mils or civs to dockyards in coastal tiles? That really wouldn't be enough to make people focus on naval build ups, but it could help on the margins

The hunt for the Bizmark was hugely stepped up because of how crazy good the raids of the Graf Spee had been. @FeedbackIRL, please check out the history of the Graf Spee, and you'll see why they sent so many ships after Bizmark.

Japanese carriers were fairly advanced compared to the American carriers of the early pacific war. The issue was information and timing the sorties to attack a naval base while also trying to attack a naval carrier group which required different armaments and cost more time. So when us carrier groups showed themselves it was shit show for japan because they couldn't hit the sweet spot.

There's this strategy sim game called War on the Sea which is entirely based on naval combat in the Pacific. If you play as the Japanese you're at a massive disadvantage as your ships are very outdated, you need to use and abuse your bases and send constant airwings to patrol and bomb allied vessels as your only real advantages are the number of bases and sadly the very difficult to use and unreliable torpedoes. The Edified Gamer, as smaller youtuber, has currently a 20+ video campaign with the IJN using the Pacific mod which greatly enhances the game. There's barely been any ship on ship combat and often those engagements come with a flight of airplanes to back up his ships. It's super entertaining and informative to watch.

Maybe save the eating for after

What I don't like about that video is it doesn't show the size and contribution of the Canadian Navy in the Battle of the Atlantic. There's no question that if it wasn't for the Canadian Navy, especially in the early part of the war (39, 40, 41), Britan would have been forced to capitulate due to lack of supply before the US could join the war. At the end of the War, Canada had the 3rd largest Allied navy with over 430 commissioned vessels.

What this shows is that Battleships could go head to head and keep banging away for hours and hours. Whilst they might disable each other, they were tremendously difficult to sink. And then along come aircraft and bip-bop-boop Battleships suddenly become incredibly vulnerable.

I don't think the Video does justice on the sheer Size and Ability of American Production. Throughout the war, the US made around 2020 large ships, while the Axis combined made 398 large ships. The US made 29 Fleet Carriers, 121 Escort Carriers. That is the same amount of Fleet Carriers as every other major combatant (Allied and Axis), combined and a more amount of Escort Carriers. The US made 10 Battleships, while the Axis made 9. US 52 cruisers, while Axis made 18. The US made 396 Destroyers while the Axis made 111. 1014 destroyers compared to 234. The only part where the US had less compared to the Axis was in Submarines.

8:35 I also want to point out that part of why Japan lost all their carriers to the USA's single carrier is because the US Navy's damage control training and damage control ship design was far more advanced than that of Imperial Japan's. The USS Yorktown (CV-5) mentioned as having been sunk during the battle of Midway had actually taken 2 torpedo hits and 3 direct bomb hits about a month prior, during the Battle of the Coral Sea. The Japanese even believed they had sunk the Yorktown, and believed that its reappearance in the Battle of Midway was a new Carrier they had not known about. During the Battle of Midway, the already damaged Yorktown received 3 bomb hits, which threatened to sink the ship entirely, but the sailors managed to control the damage just enough to keep it afloat, but immobile. The engineers restarted the boilers within hours, and continued combat operations. The Yorktown finally sunk after receiving another 2 torpedo strikes. By comparison, the Soryu was struck by a single bombing strike of 3 bombs, and the fires aboard the ship grew out of control minutes later, sinking the carrier.

The airplane advantage of the American navy in the battle of midway wasn’t because the carriers were larger, but because the island of midway itself had an airbase

Japanese Carrier aviation was very advanced by the start of the war, mostly comming down to their very skilled crew. Also the newest Japanese Carriers Shokaku and Zuikaku were the most modern in the world and were built outside of the Naval treaty restrictions (unlike the Yorktown Class of the US). It kind of went down the drain tho when they lost most of their Pilots in the first year of the war. At Midway however it was the smaller Carriers Hiryu and Soryu together with the older Battleship/Battlecruiser conversions Akagi and Kaga vs. the 3 Modern Fleet Carriers Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown. Also one might say the Americans kinda got lucky with the japanese being caught unexpected while rearming their planes and 3 carriers being disabled with them not having launched their attack on US forces. If they had been abled to launch (and not just the planes on Hiryu) They likely could have taken out the 3 american carriers.

Weirdly the UK's carriers were the best to defend against kamikaze missions because they had armour plating, so while they were hit by strikes it was always quickly repairable

Uhh......Feedback Tirpitz was in Norway for the whole war. She was "The Lonely Queen of The North" for a reason.

To answer your question about Japanese carriers, no, they were up to par with American carriers at least in the beginning of the war, though their fire control systems were notoriously lacking. The Japanese Naval Aviators aboard were the best in the world, though they would be slowly lost over the course of the war due to the Japanese not training capable replacements. So yes, at the beginning of the war Japanese carriers were a match for American ones, their problem was that they were overused, and, more importantly, they kept running bow first into ambushes because the Americans had broken the Japanese code.

8:30 battle of Midway- the Americans had fewer carriers but had an airfield on the island.

If real life Germany can produce a submarine every few days then I feel like production in HoI4 is far too slow. Especially for the larger ships

yeah like you have a scale in your production queue like V Navy o---o---o---o---oArmy a balance of power!!!!!! center is nothing far right is + 0.75% factory output per dockyard - 0.75% dockyard production per military factory moderate right is + 0.5% factory output per dockyard - 0.5% dockyard output per factory moderate left is + 0.6% dockyard output per factory - 0.5% factory output per dockyard far left is + 1% dockyard output per factory - 0.75% factory output per dockyard so you take production from dockyard, put it in factory, more factories you have to supply with your dockyards the more it will take from your dockyards.

This, despite being put out by WG, was decent in showing naval production before and during the war Also the bit at the end about Russian shipbuilding programs basically went nowhere cause everyone that wasn't Stalin knew a Navy was pointless and when Stalin died the projects were canned. They did invest a lot into their submarines though, and they were decent. Another gripe I have is they don't talk about the successes of allied submarines. The US' submarine war on Japan did significantly better than Germany's on the Allies in terms of tonnage of ship's sunk (and that's with terrible torpedoes during the early and mid war) Also, the US had far more than 3 Carriers (2 Lexington class, USS Wasp, USS Ranger, 2 Yorktowns, and a 3rd Yorktown under construction), but the smaller carriers Wasp and Ranger were deemed unfit for the Pacific. Also while US carriers weren't more advanced at the beginning of the war, and arguably even at the end of the war there was some debate, the US quickly learned things like proper damage control that prevented losses and just outprodhced Japan outright. The US built like 20-something full sized fleet carriers during snd in the years following the war. Although yes, US Carriers carried more (and debatably better) planes Also yes, the US literally said "We will build more Liberty ships than they can sink. It worked well enough Also Tirpitz was somewhat different, but was mostly the same to Bismarck. She was sunk in Norway by Tall Boy bombs from the UK. I do believe all of those carriers are American, but a few may have been British. Regarding Leyte Gulf, if ya want a funny story, read up on the Battle off Samar. David and Goliath, literally. Drachinifiel did a great video on it Final edits done, sorry, was editing this to answer questions you asked as I watched I doubt this will be rrad but I'm studying naval history in college and figured "Hey, might as well try to answer these questions, right?

On the point of production, one thing I would love to see implemented (though I know it would be hard to balance) is how quickly France was able to switch to / ramp up war time production. The French military during the interwar periods was geared for one thing, and one thing only, total war. Thus, the nation was able to mobilise its war time economy extremely quickly. By the time Germany had invaded the benelux and France, French armour production had met / exceeded German armour production.

I expected this video to compare 1936 and 1939 starting navies with real historical fleets. Why didn't you do that? The title is kinda misleading. I wish there were a historical mode of this game where you have no control over political decisions, construction, production, or unit training. Your only job is to command what is given to you and use them as wisely as possible. Like you're the military grand commander or naval grand admiral. That'd be challenging and fun

Warspite caught a squadron of German destroyers in a Norwegian harbor and obliterated them. Taking Norway basically ruined the German surface fleet. Lots of escorts like DDs and a heavy cruiser were lost plus their light cruisers were less than useful

Interesting that almost half of UK subs were based in Singapore/Hong Kong at the start of the war.

2:40 you CAN boost naval production.. its in the bottom left of every focus tree, lol

the pacific ocean theatre of the war was either carrier battles or close quarter battles between cruisers and destroyers (and occasionally a battleship or battlecruiser on either side) in more closed off bodies of water between island groups (such as around guadalcanal and what after ww2 was renamed to ironbottom sound). you would think in large open oceans like the pacific, battleships would be more useful but carriers is even more useful due to planes scouting range compared to battleships search radar range, in the european theatre though the battleships makes more sense as land based planes and radar could be used to scout for and protect your battleships

Its not about the german doctrine of sending undefended capital ships on raids. The german navy in short didnt have any screening ships that could accompany a capital ship on a long mission. The screening ships had poor range. In addition most of the german ships, up to heavy cruisers, were not seaworthy enough for the atlantic ocean. There are reports that a heavy cruiser got into a storm, well its the north atlantic so what, and got thrown over to one side by a big wave (it was literally on one side) just to be raised upwards again by another wave. German lacked the experience and technology to build really good capital ships. Even the bismarck-class had a lot of flaws and wasnt as good as it seen so often. Of course we can argue about that but just think about the fact that all of her guns were disabled in under 45 minutes (normally a BB fires 2 shots a minute, so only 90 salvos of the BBs). Yeah she was outnumbered but lets have a look here: There were only two Battleships and a bunch of cruisers. This is normal fighting material for a battleship and the fact that the enemy comes in a higher number was "built-in" for every german ship. So a lot of hype for not so much of a battleship-class.

The tripitz did nothing in WW2 other then be a target for allied bombing, it never fired a shot in anger and they tried to hide it in a fjord. It was bombed many times and ulimately sunk. This was the flaw with battleships they where so expensive to make, they did want to use them in fear of them getting sunk. WW1 battle was Jutland.

They didnt need 65 ships to sink the Bismarck but to find her. 2 ships in the north atlantic which pretty great and rough

7:27 No at the start of the war, Japan had the superior carrier force.

As a Norwegian I have to point out Tirpitz was based in Norway from 42 until it was sunk in 44. Resistance fighters, small submarines and aviation took turns trying to harm it. Because of damages and the threat of the Royal Navy it barely went out to sea. Hiding it in Norwegian fjords still had strategic value: it kept many British ships in the general area. Brave British airmen eventually managed to give it a final blow, they had surprise on their side after violating Swedish airspace.

Read history - the real purpose for the Bismarck sortie with only one fast cruiser escort was not commerce raiding but a relocation of its base of operations to Brest, where it would have been much more effective as a commerce raider, it was thought. It was hoped that they could slip by the RN and make It to France without chancing the Channel…

being able to convert military factories to naval would be a nice option, bouncing between the 3 as needed rather than just civie to military

11:50 you have to remember the Liberty class transport ship the US was producing in insane numbers was only rated for about 2 trips across the Atlantic. Like if you was captain of a ship and did two trips you did not do any more trips as by now the ship was held together by duck tape as a result of it been built from scratch in 24 days. torpedo attacks I presume from aircraft. as the range of a battleship or even cruiser shell was way longer then the range of a torpedo.

I always find it a shame nobody mentions Canada. They had in 1945 the 3rd largest navy in the world.

The Bismarck going out to raid convoys was actually quite genius, a huge part of convoy escorts were heavy cruisers, which were a lot more resillient in defending against torpedoes than light cruisers and especially destroyers, as Heavy Cruisers had enough firepower to fight off most other ships and were armoured enough to take a heavy beating, a loose battleship in the atlantic, especially the size of hte bismarck would absolutely devastate the allies

They dont talk about the fact that germans tried to seize the french fleet at Toulon, but french navy scattled it

The reason the Bismarck wasn't escorted was both that they didn't have the destroyers free and because the Bismarck was FAST. It could make 35 knots allegedly and while German destroyers were known to hit 38 knots, the Bismarck was larger and performed better in rough North sea waters. The fear was their destroyers wouldn't be able to keep up in raids and would either be caught of guard by themselves or have to slow down the Bismarck, risking its safety more.

The Pacific ocean is almost double the size of the Atlantic.

So in answer to your question "Did the U.S. have a tech advantage over the Japanese?" That is a complicated question. The short answer is no. In 1941 the only carrier type the U.S. had in service was the Lexington class a class initially laid down as battlecruisers in fact if you play as the U.S. in HOI2 you can build the Lexington class battlecruiser. U.S. planes were also inferior to the Japanese; the best fighter the U.S. Navy had in 1941 was the F4F Wildcat and it was nearly 50 MPH slower than the Japanese Zero, the U.S. TBD devastators (Torpedo bomers)were also far slower than Japanese planes with a max speed of only 203 MPH. For reference, the Mitsubishi Zero had a top speed of around 351 MPH and the Kate B5n of 235. So why did the U.S. win battle after battle? By the Battle of Midway, the U.S. had broken the Japanese diplomatic and naval communications codes and was reading Japanese messages, additionally, in 1942 the F4F and Devastator began to be replaced by faster F6F Hellcat and F4u Corsair Fighters along with TBD Avenger Torpedo bomber which had speeds starting at 380 for the F6F and going as high as 450 MPH for the Corsair. It's also around the battle of Midway the Essex class carrier start to enter service.

What I think is kinda funny is the USA had like the same amount of aircraft carriers of all the ships of Italy

A couple of wrong misconceptions in your rumblings about Bismarck. The Bismarck was escorted by 4 destroyers and Prinz Eugen. Regarding the 'raid' tactic with surface battleships for Germany, it had been working fine until then, with several tons of merchant ships sunk by rogue cruisers. Bismarck was there to put a threat over them, and force the English navy to mobilize and consume resources like hell in order to protect those merchant ships from the Bismarck.

Were you okay while making this? I know you have some sort of condition involving blood, you looked very pale and had circles under your eyes. You seemed to be in high spirits and attentive though, still, don't feel a need to push things. I know youtube rewards regular uploads but it isn't worth it if worsens anything. Might just be my new big ass monitor.

Odd that they aren't including totals for the minor powers, as the commonwealth nations had decent sized fleets by the end of the war. Canada was by default the third or fourth largest navy at the war's end, rivaling that of the Soviet Union

HoI4 is not very historical, becouse USA joins allies when Japan attacks Dutch East Indies, and on historical USA doesen't naval invade Japan, I have had at least 5 SU games where I had to naval invade Japan in 46.

The Japanese had the most advanced Aircraft Carriers at the start of the war. But they couldnt replace their losses or build a lot of new ones.

"It was mainly in the Mediterranean Theater wasn't it" -Referring to Tirpitz's AO. Just.... wow. It never ceases to amaze me how clueless RU-vidrs (HOI4 enthusiasts since I watch their content) are when it comes to historical dates/times/events/names/locations/etc etc. Without even googling it I am confident in saying the Tirpitz never even sniffed the Straights of Gibraltar, let alone ever operated in the Med. That's why the Italians had such a large (and useless) navy Dave, to play around in the bathtub. The Tirpitz was sat in a Norwegian Fjord for most of the war hoping to raid convoys to Arkhangelsk until she was sunk by Lancaster's. Sure the Tirpitz isn't talked about as much as Bismarck but it is not hard to forget about once you hear about it's wartime service the first time around. Okay rant over.

I do not understand why the american navy didn't get overstacking penalty for two many carriers.

if there is anything to learn from this video. its the fact that naval produciton in hoi4 is utterly weak and unrealistic. usa is able to shit out a thousand ship navy. germany making a submarine every 3 days on average through 6 years of war. americans building LİTTERALY 105 CARRİERS in 4 GOD DAMN YEARS. yet it takes a solid 1.5 year to make a single fucking one in the game and of course with 5 dockyards working on it. as if that is supposed to be logical in the first place. dockyard system has to change. nations need to have shipmaking companies in their industry tab make them the ships theese companies themselves will have their own dockyards withing them EACH single drydock being used for making a single unique ship. there are like numerous drydocks in one single dockyard in a city etc. etc. navy has to change

Dunno if anyone else said this before, but here goes: The tide in the war tuned in 1942: The Germans offencive was halted at Stalingrad, resulting in its siege, after wich the war became a defencive one for the Germans. Also in 1942 the Japennese were badly beaten in the battle of Midway (aka the Midway turkey shooting). The Germans lost the battle off El Alamain in the same year on the Africa front. The atlantic submarine operations started to falter due to the enigma code braking and more efficient escorting of the convois. The Bismarck was escorted by the cruiser Prinz Eugen and a supply vessel (who's name I can't remember atm) and it was sent out to do what it was build to do in regards of the operational oders at the time: fight the Americans at home and prevent the Russians and Britains from recieving necessary supplies. And by all accounts it was a very succesfull operation and would have ereturned home in sescent shape had it not have its own design flaw: the propellers were centred together too much (which is ironicly also something tha saeled the fate of the hms Hood, the Brittish flag ship which the Bismarck sunk. Which incidentelly doubled the Brittish disire to sink her). The Tirpitz was damaged shortly after she took to sea for the first time in Danish waters. She thus went to Norway for repairs, taking some 9 months I believe, after which scuba divers succesfully raided and damaged her again. She was then secretly tranferred up North, were she was anchorred in a protected fjord. When the allied came to bomb her with their longest distand bombers, the fjord was filled with smoke to protect her. After the loss of the Bismarck, the Germans could not afford to lose theri second pride of the fleet so she remained anchored there during most of the war, treatening the convoys to Russia and as such putting a huge strain on the aliied naval forces: at one hand requiring heavy escorts for the convoys in case she went on the hunt and on the other hand keeping a large Brittish battle group at constant high allert in case she would head to American waters like the Bismarck. The Japanese cariers were a mix of older, converted and modern carriers. The main difference compared to the Americans was that the Americans had 2 flight decks, while the Japanese had only 1, which meant the American carrieres could carry much more plains. The Japanese also had the problem that they were building 2 Yamato class battleships which they barely had the recources for, while also building 1 (and having ordered 3) new mordern carriers, which would be much on par with their American counterparts, though still with 1 flight deck and thus some less plain capacity. The Americans started the war with 4 main cariers and about a dozen 'escort carriers' and would produce about 3 more main carriers (not entirely sure her) during the war, which the Japanese could not keep up with. Also the pacific tide changed when the Americans were able to at least partly crack the Japanese code before the battle of Midway. If the Japanese hadn't attacked Pearl Harbour, the Americans would have likely entered the war after he Japanese invasion of the Philipines (an American puppet at the time). If they hadn't at that time and were indeed unwilling to join the pacific war on their own, the Japanese would be difficult to predict: China (without Russian supprt) or Japan victory? European counterattack after the conclusion of the European theater to reclaim colonies or liberate their former colonies? hard to tell, maybe the Brittish would have gone to take over Japan, leading to a new Brittish-American war? The reason the Axis navies were in the end "unsuccesfull" is a discussion on its own, though in my opinion comes down to the leaders not listening to the admirals.

Bismarck was escorted by One cruiser. It took damage during the engagement with the Hood and the Prince of Wales. The cruiser was damaged had had to withdraw to port. The Hood blew up and the Prince of Wales had to withdraw. The captain of the Bismarck choose to continue the mission alone. Gutsy move in my opinion. Didn't work out.

This video gets the timings of the British declaration of war on Japan wrong. It wasn't three days after Pearl Harbor it was the following day, and was actually before the US did. Churchill had promised FDR that if Japan attacked the US then Britain would declare war "within the hour". Once word reached London of the attack on Pearl Harbor Churchill began readying for the declaration of war knowing that FDR would ask for it once he had Congress's approval for the US declaration. Word then came through that Japan had simultaneously attacked British colonies in Malaya, Singapore and Hong Kong so Churchill instructed the British Ambassador to Japan to inform the Japanese Government of that they were declaring war - hours before the US declared.

Actually the Bismarck wasn't only a Moral Booster, she was a existential threat to allied convoys. Her Speed was too high for british battleships that could battle her and them sending 65 ships to hunt her down was pretty reasonable after they witnessed the break through of Admiral Graf Spee. Though she didn't do a lot of damage what would have happened if the monster ship Bismarck did the exact same thing? Her speed was higher then any battleship that could fight her without it being a suicide mission, and her AA was very well though the swordfish attack was quite embarassing that was from the sources I have read, either because the AA was too modern and made for modern naval bombers which sounds like bullshit to me or they were caught of guard. Either way even when she got hit and was trapped she didn't sink from enemy shells but rather because her own crew scuttled her, some battleships even ran out of ammunition while shooting at the immobile Bismarck, if she made it through the loss of allied convoys would be crippling and the British would need to expend too many ressources to catch her in the open atlantic ocean.

Feedback seeing the Battle of the Philippine Sea: "I don't think these are all American, are they? It feels like there's too many carriers here." Me, an American: [Laughs in massive war economy]

I feel like the comparison is thrown off a lot by including subs as "a ship". Not all sea vessels are made equal - subs are good for raiding and harassment but for power projection they just don't work. It really makes it look like Germany has a comparable navy to the British Empire which just wasn't ever the case.

sinking of Tirpitz proves that fleet in the being doctrine doesn't work anymore

The Royal Navy couldn't allow Bismarck to reach the open Atlantic. Even as a heavy battleship it was faster than most RN battlecruisers. It would shred lightly armed convoys escorted by old destroyers forcing the Royal Navy, US Navy and Red Fleet to use capital ships to escort convoys. Bismarck would outclass almost all Allied capital ships The fact that the Royal Navy deployed basically the entire home fleet to hunt down the Bismarck showed how much they feared that ship.

The Bismark, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and the Gneisanau were used as convoy raiders because the kreigsmarine needed a use for them, they weren't built for that. Hitler and the nazi high command wanted a fleet-in-being of surface battleships because that brought a level of prestige submarines didn't, whereas the navy would've much rathered more screens and subs for convoy raiding.

I would say with a totally neutral US, Japan would have won in China. They took almost the entire Chinese coast including the capital. They only attacked the Allies' colonies when the US locked them out of many supply lines under the pretext of taking French Indochina.

I think dockyards should be slots for ships building and mil assigned to them to produce. Edit: 1 dockyards for subs an destroyers 3 for cruisers and 5 for capital ships.

Japanese damage control sucked. But the Japanese could definitely deploy more Air Craft faster at the beginning of the war from a Carrier. United States carriers could carry more aircraft per ship though. So the US could absorb more aircraft losses easily during a battle. And the ship itself could absorb more bomb damage and still be combat capable longer. In other words the Japanese where really good at striking the first blow of a battle early in the war. After the initial strike they would have problems in a prolonged battle.

By those figures it appears as if the axis navies had been stronger than the western allies' navies. I have never hear about that before, i wonder how they figured out those numbers. The WWI one naval battle was that of Skagerrak. Either side claimed it as a victory. The german side sank more vessels than the british. But after the battle returned to the ports and did not leave thema again since the german high command had expected even better outcomes. Which were necessary as Britain outnumbered Germany's navy 3:2 resulting in a need to sink much more british naval power than 1:1 in the high command's eyes.

If I understand correctly, the prevailing idea for Japanese carriers was that the planes were great, but it was likely they'd be outnumbered. The carriers reduced their aircraft capacity and added more armor and small guns to compensate, so they would stand more of a chance if they were in direct combat. US carriers had a different logic of maximizing their carriers plane capacity, and supporting them heavily.

Many of the American planes at Midway were based out of Midway itself. Americans did have better damage control though.

WoWs documantary films are not the best source of information. Submarines for germany was one big sink hole for recources. Most of that ship was empty tonage for exp. ship transporting bannanas in Caraibian see. When subs attack convoy they suffer loses greater with every mounth. Winter of 1942 was the time to end campain but they still use rare resorces for subs even when allies alredy are in german soil.

That video lacked the two of the most common causes of ships lost. Poor seamanship and mines. By far the most common causes of losses. Grounding ships and colliding with friendlies was common. And mines were extremely common. Only after that you get torpedo hits by submarines torpedo boats planes etc.

One understated technology was proximity fuses that the Americans used to shoot down Japanese planes. Some say that is why they moved to kamikaze strikes because they felt they would lose the planes anyways.

We can argue about the combat effectiveness of The Bismarck, but any single ship, that can cause your enemies to send 65 ships after him, is impressive. He may have not been able to actually rule the waves, but he sure did try and he sure did have a real shock factor.

The fact that capital ships are so expensive and you are only given 5 dockyards to put on them is the most frustrating thing. When you look at the naval arms race between the german empire and britain, it was ruinous for both of them as it was a large drain on their economies and of course hoi4 cant simulate that because you can't spend civilian industry towards getting extra naval production which would make sense but I guess not

The battle of midway, the Americans had more planes because there was an airbase on midway, allowing the Americans to fight with more planes

Trying to outproduce a german submarines with a cheap American convoys is exactly the strategy they used. They took the cheapest and easiest ship design they could come up with and said we will jjst make more of these ships than they can handle.

Hmmmm, no mention of the Uboat that sank in 1945 because the captain “incorrectly operated its toilet”.

Flag ship dosn't mean its for propaganda, it means an admiral is commanding a fleet from the ship. Your probably thinking of 'showing the flag' which means sailing around to the rest of the world to intimidathe hostile nations or reassure them if allied.

I don't know why you are so surprised. The world war was a war of attrition, they were basically just throwing resources at each other.

War economy and Total mobilisation do give dockyard output.

8:00 Jutland No the biggest naval battle was done by the romans against the cartheginians

Focus Tree... Naval Production +20%

You said naval air crafts and long range subs was what determined the war… so what you’re saying is sub spam and naval bombers was meta irl too?

This guy was wrong. Says that the Americans only had 3 carriers, they loose one and then they have 3 carriers again in Midway

The Japanese built the biggest aircraft carrier ever built at that time, the Shinano

When you realize just how many carriers we pumped out in the US 🤣

14:21 CV only run when?

there was tea abord those ships, they spilled it, that was the catalyst

Well stacking penalties aren’t real soooo

The video your reacting to is horrifically inaccurate at points

Carrier based naval aviation should be able to attack outside of pitched naval battles

The reason the us had more planes at midway had more to do with the airfield on the island than the hanger space on the carriers

Fun fact japan used converted carriers through most of the war

The Advancement of the Aircraft Carriers and Radar made the Battleships of ww1 Absolute.

the canadian navy was heavily disrespected by paradox

the ships in hoi should be also historical so the Scharnhorst should have 3 turrets instead of 2

The Japanese aircraft was more advanced than American at the time of midway.

2:00 I suspect that vast majority of players will just focus on ground army and completely neglect their navy if this was ever implemented. Navy is just isn't useful enough and also AI sucks at using it, so you can usually trick your way around it. Also naval bombers are OP. 4:30 I don't think this is true, especially after Japan occupied Vietnam and cut off that supply route. Also I remember reading an opinion that without Pearl Harbor, even if Japan was to invade Philippines (not to mention English or Dutch colonies), US would have likely stayed out of the war. 7:10 you were not listening. US had more planes because they had ground-based planes in this battle because battle happened close enough to US airbases. 9:35 another major factor was pilot training. US organized it better in such a way that they were able to replenish losses very effectively and Japanese failed to do so. At this point of the war they found themselves with no pilots even though they had planes and carriers available.

8:15 Battle of Jutland sea I think

Regarding the question if Japanese aircraft carriers were worse than American carriers during the beginnen of 1942. Not exactly, there was a big doctrine difference. Airmen and crew from one US carrier could be easily transfered to another carrier and operate on that one. While japanese personal was trained specifically for their assigned carrier. Thus when a carrier was damaged, the crew was useless. Also the pilot training was completely different. US air training emphasize on make the cadet a good pilot. While the japanes had more selection criteria and tried to "selec" the best. These factors caused that when pilots were shot down, they couldn't easily be replaced. While the US training could produce a steady stream of pilots. In the later war years, all carriers had radar and used it to spot and intercept enemies planes far away from their carriers, while the japanese couldn't. This resulted in the big Phillipines Sea turkey shoot.