Do you think Ashes of Creations testers will turn a blind eye to things that could potentially hurt the game because they are full of hype? Does paying to test a game affect the overall quality of the tester?
Question 1: do you think hype for ashes will make the testers blind to/ignore problems with core pillars out of love for the game making them bot want to be negative because they feel it will succeed on launch or that being negative wont help? Answer: yes and no. I feel their may be people who wont be the first to say their thoughts on bad parts out of fear of it hurting the game but i also feel they will bandwagon when others speak first and its already been said. Beyond that, in general there will likely be people who will kust stop playing the alpha 2 when that happens and if they have a survey get sent to all testers emails each week (they could allow an opt out) that asks questions like 'how do you feel about this system or that mechanic as well as if they havent been active that week, why.
Question 2: do you think the mindset of the tester matters to the quality of the data they produce? If so, why? Answer: yes and no. I believe it does matter but not in the same way that people are saying as for me, the super hardcore bug testers are the ones paid by intrepid to test the game and shouldnt be the majority of the testers as it can only fix the games bugs but not actually critique the actual gameplay loop or quality of the systems added. All in all, i feel as long as they make clear to all testers to report any bugs found and their opinions on any and all systems in the forums with perhaps even a message that says as much each time a tester lau ches the game, i think it's FAR better to be the sort of player fine with bugs and jank who tries to play the game as if it was the full game with only the truly devoted players even bothering specifically hunting for bugs.
@@Roarrior also i do wanna to my question 1 answer that i feel there also will be plenty like maybe you or even me if you have seen my constant forum posts who may be over critical out of fear of not having given enough feedback so i feel that with that balance of most being overly positive and than the few grouches like us or at least me will be the perfect balance as we loudly and proudly callout issues that let others jump in and say their piece about it not feeling so bad because at least what they are saying isnt as harsh as others
I bought into the Alpha 2, and personally, if there are issues with the game, I'm going to be much more likely to give critical feedback and much more robust in that feedback. People paying that much typically (I'd assume) are more invested in the game doing well. And if there are problems the logical thing would be to solve those before the full launch, so that the game can be successful, not to bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong as the MMO cycle of the last 2 decades repeats.
A few points: The 100K number does not include the, as yet, unannounced number of pre-order pack purchases after the announcement last year (Mar?), so the number can be considerably -- easily within the tens of thousands -- higher. (My guess, at least 200k). "Feed back" does not equal "veto power. The design of AoC is (since JB left) a one man show, and while a consensus amongst players might sway minor changes in details or implementation, it won't make any significant difference in the basic "design pillars" of the game. And, in point of fact, that theoretical community consensus has yet to appear and may never actually coalesce. Any A2 ticket holder who does not have a "software tester" mindset whereby their single fundamental goal is to find and report bugs, provide detailed and specific reports of problems, and slavishly repeat activities to generate data, rather than a "player" mindset will not provide productive input to the actual in-the-trenches programmers who will fix the code.
While I understand testers don't have veto power, the fact remains that if enough reports get submitted about the same potential issue, it will cause the developers to look at it. The random single odd ball reports probably not so much. And while we have been told over and over that the core pillars wont change, if the testers are able to deduce that a system is just down right bad with the proper explanation as to why, chances are Steven wont launch it in that state. He isn't a dummy, That was New Worlds problem. Took feedback, didn't listen, launched anyway, now dead. And while I agree about the player mindset testers, I am hoping at least that the people who follow the day to day ashes AND invested in a key will have that tester mindset to grind out that data. Not all of them will. But I'm hoping for at least a larger percentage than a free alpha from other games. I mean Intrepid constantly asks for feedback, we should assume they aren't ignoring it.
"You're backer 1883. You have successfully pledged $200.00 to Ashes of Creation ~ New MMORPG by Intrepid Studios. This project is now one step closer to becoming a reality." Imma rip em a new one with my criticism. I waited since 2017 and I paid 200$ haha
I would assume that those who are heavily invested will want the best game possible, even trying to form the game to personal preferences. So, expect to see more critical feedback than a rose colored one.
I hope people give constructive criticism but also I dont want Intrepid to change how they want the game to be. Aoc will let down some people either be action combat lovers or anyone else really so . I just hope they fix bugs if the systems need some adjustment do it but do not change the game because it is not your childhood memory mmo.
This would be fine. But if systems turn out to be unfun and numerous tester reports identify this then it needs to be reviewed regardless if it's how they want the game to be. WoW launches features all the time that aren't buggy but they are just shit and no one wants. That's not making the game better just because the dev wanted it in the game.
Yea I agree and at the same time even if alot people also want something doesnt mean its something good, Alot of times people dont really know what they want so I feel its about if it feels natural and organic go for it. If it doesnt you can rework that idea or dismiss it completely. Test everything but also have fun doing it. I was not able to buy a key unfortunaly but I hope people already be creating memories in alpha@@Roarrior
@@Kngly1 as long as the reports are enough to get intrepid to take a second look then I'm ok with that. Of course every feedback left needs to be taken with a grain of salt on intrepids side. I'm sure there are going to be lots of personal opinions in the feedback and those aren't always healthy for the game either. But I will be covering the alpha completely and streaming. You're welcome to tune in and be a part of the memories.
I bought the Alpha 2 key knowing full well that this might not be my type of game. I come from EQ2 and know that AOC is not going to be the same nor do I want to turn it into another EQ2. I have so far stayed away from any news with only watching narcs recaps and opionions so i can reserve my judgement while still staying somewhat in the loop. I hope the game will be good and will offer my views if I see something I don't like but so far we haver to wait and see how the many game systems work out in live testing to really see what's good or not.
I am one of those who paid for full Alpha access. I am one of those who regrets putting up the money. Primarily because how PVP and the corruptions system was first introduced to how now it appears that forced PVP is going to be a pretty major part of the game and progression. I stopped producing content because I was also getting Star Citizen Vibes and I have accepted that my money is gone. I am not sure how much I will remain involved in testing.
I am not an ashes of creation alpha tester. I have not signed any kind of NDA. I have not received any email from Intrepid regarding alpha 2 spot testing. Any evidence to the contrary is either forged or circumstantial.
I can tell you this game has numerous things that need fixed i.e. the mobs having varying move sets rather than two mage types casting the same spell at the exact same time looking like a mirror as in the footage you just showed. As for 'Choice-supportive bias' clearly anyone dropping a bag for the game are going to overlook any of the issues and constantly try to justify their purchase. Unless you are someone with self awareness, I don't believe this type of bias can change, the most we can hope for is within that large pool of people, enough can provide proper feedback so we can all get the best end product.
I disagree that if people had to pay as much money to be a part of the testing process for New World as they have Ashes that they wouldn't have criticized the game for the way it launched. That game was plagued with issues to the point of changing genres a mere year before release. Ashes may have it's own issues, but none so glaring as the New World dev cycle.
oh, bring me back to 2008.. the good old days of real games, today everything is masked with "wannabe as realistic as possible" and the gameplay is shit.
Do y’all realise that this game will come out after 2029 right? Passed 8 years in alpha 1… imagine… and u ppl paying for testing instead of getting paid? This looks so grim… I really want to play this but… I remember Camelot unchained also, same story Regarding the progress…. Do u even realise what kind of games will be out in 2030 which btw will be the year as this game goes out?
I think you are way off with this, if people pay fees for something i am prety sure its not ''blind love'' ....when i pay something it's bad ... i am really pissed and rampage about it.
I hope I'm way off man. I do the same. But again, lots of people like to buy things and when they suck they still like to pretend it was a good idea. That's what I don't want to see here.
I'm a tester. Great message. I'm not going to have any problem with letting them know if things aren't working for me... but I'm also olden, have a healthy perspective, and don't care if my views aren't shared. It's important to have varied and diverse opinions if the game is going to be a success, but I honestly believe that they've shown as a team that they are very open to critique. They consistently openly ask for it. I think there will be enough people being honest with them, and I think if they aren't listening to the community, or systems in the game aren't working, the community will absolutely let them know (specifically BECAUSE they have paid so much to test it). They are going to hear about it if it sucks. I feel pretty sure about that.
I bought into A2 years ago now because I thought if it gets to that point that's the most important testing phase for such a huge project. People need to temper their expectations for Alpha 2, this is going to be buggy and it's a critical phase for testing for the company. Prepare yourselfs for wipes and broken shite :) I've from a softdev background, I think I'll have spreadsheets of bugs I'm submitting :) I'm not going to be 'playing' an early release.
to be fair, there is plenty of things i can say will probb need redesign. Combat needs some work, lighting sucks, most spell effects sucks (luckly they are fixing it now), caravan attackers have no risk and this system will probb needs a rework in a2, just to name a few. That being said lucky ghost approach was retarded at this core and he just wanted to get some buck by creating drama and shitting on aoc and its devs
@@namaste1616 ah lol. Well this is what the whole video is about. Leaving adequate and meaningful feedback! Please let me know what you would have liked to see from a topic such as this. How did I leave you empty handed? ❤️
I am alpha tester and when i read the title of the video i thought i was going to learn something new about the testing stuff..But the video discussion is about the tester and not rly the game. Im not saying is not a valid point for you to talk with your community , but for me this is old news ppl already discussing this since they annouce the alpha test years ago.@@Roarrior
