Argentina's Election Shakes Up the Country's Politics - TLDR News 

As a greek, Argentina is pretty much an italian colony. More than 65% of argentinians have italian descent so you could say that you care about it.

Si, è molto interesante

I'm an argentinian trying to get italian citizenship since 2 years because I'm sick of playing life in hard mode. Send help.

@@Veriox22 my compatriots have an opportunistic mentality, and this shows How they relate with the EU, so no, i could not care less about unreliable and opportunistic people like them, this Is One of the reasons i want to leave my country

Creo que tenemos que formar la Union Pan-Latina para des-joder nuestros paises.

Argentine military backed by the US***

The army is already reduced

The military is in a sorry state nowadays.

@@johnmurphy5689 that happens when the military acts as an independent class fighting against it’s own compatriots

This election had literally nothing to do with the military. Like, nothing.

The USA is coming runnnn

Thailand: Really?

@@fletcherrichmond5143 It is said that USA has never had a coup, because there is no American Embassy there :D

@@fletcherrichmond5143 I mean the US is perhaps the longest running republican state without a coup or any forceful exchange of power US domestic politics are notoriously rather tame compared to their fellow Americans even Canada which could have broken up as recently as the 80s

*US (who financied them all) hiding in the corner*

Es cierto que Jxc no aumento mucho respecto de las generales de 2019, sin embargo un 40% de los votos garantizados es un buen numero para empezar a construir de cara a las proximas presidenciales. El Fdt puede recuperar una gran cantidad de votos y probablemente asi sea, sin embargo no va a repetir el 48% del 2019, creo que el techo es por debajo del 45% por el desgaste propio de ser gobierno y mas en pandemia y con una economia complicada. 2023 van a ser unas elecciones muy parejas, pero creo que los mas importante es que despues de decadas estamos viendo la consolidacion de un sistema bipartidista en la argentina, que seguramente va a favorecer el centro del espectro politico.

@@facundoposleman1060 Sí, es verdad lo que decís de los números. Pero no coincido en que sea una consolidación del bicoalicionismo. Más bien me parece que está empezando a mostrar sus fracturas el sistema actual de coaliciones (se ve por ejemplo en las internas que no paran en ambos bloques y que se van a agudizar para 2023), que ya no logran comandar la hegemonía absoluta de otros tiempos. Obvio que habrá que ver qué pasa en la realidad, pero parece más un campo propicio para las terceras fuerzas

Macri is weak, they need someone that have guts to speak the truth that 66 was the best year for Argentina.

@@facundoposleman1060 BOLUDO U NEED SOME CANDIDATE THAT OPPOSES THE PERONIST MOVEMENT IN YOUR COUNTRY SOMEONE WHO PRAISES 1966, WHICH WAS WHEN ARGENTINA WAS GREAT, MILITARY NEEDS TO TAKE POWER AGAIN U CAN'T SEE IT BUT IS RIGHT IN UR EYES.

ARGENTINA WAS GREAT IN 1966, SO U NEED TO MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN BY CHOOSING SOMEONE THAT NOT ONLY OPPOSES THE PERONISTS BUT PRAISES 1966.

Igual re buena la explicacion, no hay ideologia firme mas que cierto nivel de nacionalismo y derechos laborales como bandera, despues, podes ser tan menem o cristina como quieras, no creo que haya mejor TlDR para el peronismo.

@@wolfpytlak2786 Peronism it can be whatever you want

@@wolfpytlak2786 Mi TLDR seria "Peronismo es populismo latinoamericano en su forma más pura y perfecta". Claro que entonces habria que explicar que es el populismo latinoamericano...

Juntous por el cambiou and the justistialist party

Bastante decente, nada y todo a la vez

>Libertario >Far right Yeah sure, that's what happens when you view politics as a line instead of a compass, it's called LibRight (Libertarian Right)

@@joseperez1308 To be fair, a lot of their members and voters (most notably Milei) are conservatives. Many of them are against abortion for example. Does that mean they are far right? I wouldn't really say so, as the far right tends to have much more nationalistic tendencies. But just saying that they are "right wing liberals" isn't a fair description.

@@nicolasflores8544 yeah, the thing is that it makes sense in the context of argentinian politics, I really dislike the paradigm to call left or right a party, because if you go look what gets called left or right in different places, things don't match at all.

@@wolfpytlak2786 Left vs right are highly contextual labels, and serve more to describe the relationship between the different political actors than anything else. "X is to the right of Y" or vice versa can quickly get you a feel for the political arena without having to get into the specifics actual policy or ideological differences.

@@joseperez1308 that would be accurate but Argentinian "libertarians" are not libertarians at all. Milei's side of the party is just right wing reactionaries and populism. Espert is more libertarian-lite, but it would be more accurate to compare him to centre/center-right european liberal parties like the FDP in Germany, not the libertarian party in the US

Guess that's why he had left Argentina

2030s: Argentina is as wealthy as Somalia

Menem and Macri didn't leave scorched earth? Just look at the management of the capital of the country and tell me they really leave any other model possible than the predatory real state they have been running for decades in the case peronism could win the elections there. You call for the end of zero sum game and then get totally biased in your opinion, what we need is a more conscious population that can actually sit down and discuss topics without taking sides and being objective about the serious issues we have as a country, and how they relate to international politics and economics, Argentina, Latin America, or any low income country or continent that has been colony for centuries can't be blamed for their current situation without having a proper historical discussion of how we ended up in the situation we are today, however people are voting for a president that generates discord in public opinion by bringing stupid discussions about how many were really dissapeared in the last dictatorship. The discussions are totally of topic and not touching the real issues of the economic problems as a global issue. There are Wars that never ended, politics that came from the wars that were never stopped, and the FMI is still instituting and prolonging debts that shouldn't exists if you are to expect any real local development... people needs stop looking at the numbers without understanding what they mean, trying to analyze international issues as local issues, and expecting for a "rain of inversions" to save us. That won't happen, yet people voted for it.

Repeat "70 years of decadence" = I don´t know a f..k of argentine history. "scorched earth to its succesor" was 1982, 1989, 2002 and 2019, not peronism at sight.

@@agustinsanchezramos5722 so focused on the short term that you need to insult to make your point? If you believe Peronism is the only and main issue you are clearly biased. You sound like a bot imposing your repeatable phrases. Hope you are not a neolib fan following "influencers" like Millei and Espert that makes politics in base of imposing aggression and ridiculing every dissent to what they are saying with insults, not giving any value to life, manipulating language with phrases similar to "70 years of decadence" According to who does this term you use exist and is accepted to discuss anything on academic terms? What's your point with peronism being the only issue on this country? It sounds like some propaganda you are chewing, with insults, because other wise doesn't make sense and you need to appeal to emotion to say that only peronism bad is what exists for the country, I hope you are not associating the peronism years with the years of labor forces being abused, kidnapped, tortured, and kept in absolute miserable poverty, by the land owners and politics of the years previous to peronism. We could debate the history of the debt of argentina, that makes more sense to me, here, have a link es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_de_la_deuda_externa_argentina You think you could be behind your keyboard insulting for no reason without peronism? What about of centuries of raping and kidnapping indigenous peoples until assimilation and the current accussation of terrorism when you see a mapuche? If all that tilts as much as Peronism, clearly you shouldn't be commenting here, go read some books.

@@joelezequielmendezmolina2877 Me parece que estamos hablando de lo mismo, pero en distinto idioma. Simplemente oigo o leo "70 años de decadencia" en un país donde venimos de las dos fundaciones de Buenos Aires, las batallas/matanzas contra los nativos Querandíes, Charruas, las invasiones en las colonias y en los territorios de las misiones por parte del Imperio Lusitano, las invasiones Inglesas en el período colonial, las guerras de independencia, 40 años de guerras intestinas desde el fusilamiento de Dorrego hasta la Batalla de Caseros y la victoria final del Centralismo Porteño en Pavón, las expansiones sobre la "frontera del indio", las campañas de lo que quedó desierto, los gobiernos del PAN, la repartija de 26 millones de hecatareas en 1885, con la migración de millones de colonos que hicieron el papel de ciervos hasta el Grito de Alcrota de 1911, El Pánico de 1890, la Revolución del Parque de 1890, la Revolución Radical de 1893, la Batalla Naval del Espinillo, el asedio al Puerto de Rosario con el Acorazado Fluvial ARA Independencia amenazando con desacragar sus cañones sobre la población civil si no se rendían las guarniciones radicales, el Centenario de la Patria bajo Estado de Sitio, la Semana Trágica. Entonces leo semejante gansada como "Argentina: 1890 = good, 1990 = bueh y 2010 = Bad, blame the peronism. Y no me sale siquiera mandarlos al carajo en un idioma, los tengo que mandar en varios.-

I doubt that they would ever mention authoritarianism during the pandemic because they are scared of being branded as anti-vax, even when that is obviously not the case.

@@Omni_Shambles maybe, but here in Argentina people literally disappear after the police arrested them for being out of their houses. And in the interior people were arrested for having COVID.

@@pedroleuenberger4270 Que decís? JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJA alto bobo

​@@pedroleuenberger4270 you know that's a lie; otherwise you'll be posting the source of your statement

@@nicolasabate7843 really? The case of facundo astudillo castro is a lie? The case of solange? The regime un Formosa? You are the liar. Not me

cannot blame him, removing thousands of public workers to reduce the bleeding will have massive resistence, if it even can be done at all, argentines want to do everything to save the country, except solving the actual problem (deficit spending)

Yeah, it makes sense but it’s scary seeing those kinds of ideologies growing in out country

@@nicolaseusebi8424 You're scared, i'm hopeful. You may in them find doom, but i find the light at the end of the tunnel, a small, lingering sense of a chance at salvation that i had never felt before

@@kaparg There’s a difference. You look up the wealth of the first world (while ignoring its inequality) and say it was thanks to capitalism without realizing that it was because of imperialism and colonialism. I’m scared because our country is poor and the least we need is a horde of fascist saying we should let poor people starve.

@@nicolaseusebi8424 milei no es fascista. Y Argentina es pobre por los socialistas chorros que la gobiernan

The issue with the USA is that it decides to spend its vast resources on its military industrial complex rather than on its own working class people.

Because they have had a fascist goverment for lots of years

@@Dario-uj6qo so did lots of countries, including other south american countries, depending on your definition of fascist

@@EricZucchini for what I know they have been in power for more time

Our education system has been in decadence since the 90s. Both Schools and Universities. The school curricula heavily favours a positive view of Kirchner's economic policies. We're taught to believe that Protectionism and Mercantilism are the way into economic growth, that Free markets are dangerous, and that the State is vital in generating artificial local demand to boost economic growth (Think Roosevelt/Keynes after the 30's crisis, but long term. That sort of logic). Meanwhile, Inflation is not caused by the government printing money, but rather by greedy corporations and the financial system. The State is here to protect us from their abuse. This all bled into a twisted common perception of how economies should work and what the problems and its causes really are. If prices go up, then we need to control supermarkets and businesses so they don't raise them. If supply contracts as a result, then we need a law to force them to produce. State monopolies are more preferable than international corporations competing (Right now the State holds a monopoly on gas and has been slowly disrupting air traffic in favour of the state owned Air company). Public overspending isn't an issue since it serves to kickstart the economy;. The list goes on and on. Plenty of "given", "accepted" facts about reality and especially the economy that we seldom question. This isn't something only uneducated people believe, mind you. I'd go as far as to say that the more educated you are in Argentina, the more prone you are to hold these beliefs. There's even economists justifying these policies. And here we are.

@@matilozano96 a lot of the things you say are actually the same in Brazil (and I think in our whole cursed continent). Especially what you said about the 'intellectual elite' being very economically backwards. Unfortunately most of the relatively rational economic policy here was passed conservative populist politicians who relied on the uneducated voter. When you look at the people in the universities the great bunch of them (especially in non-economics humanities) are completely caught in that "anti imperialismo revolucionario" discourse. What really puzzles me is that because of some really unpleasant experiences with price controls in the 90s, for example, it seems like people "learned" (to some degree) that is something bad and no national government has attempted that kind of thing in a large scale ever since (although there have been some incidents). Meanwhile Argentina seems to keep doing it over and over again for some reason. Maybe the political base for that kind of anti-economic ideology is much broader?

"haha let's nuke a country because of an election amirite guyz hahahaha" Sure buddy, an election where peronists lose means an instant war for the South Atlantic

@@Monkechnology It was a historical reference joke. 1 - Although the Vulcan was/is a nuclear capable bomber, it was used in the 1982 Falklands conflict for a shock and awe bombing run on Port Stanley's runway with conventional bombs. A mission which made Argentina operate all their aircraft from their mainland, reducing their range severely. They are non operation these days, hence my joke. 2 - Whenever Argentina has a bit of a political wobble, it's traditional for them to distract the masses with nationalism and chants of "Malvinas". 3 - If the UK wants to pop a nuke on somewhere, it would invariably come from a submarine launch. 4 - It would be suicide for Argentina to even try these days. They've blown the element of surprise. The islands now have a substantially increased garrison, air defences, Eurofighters and naval presence.

@@juststeve5542 I know the context. Still it's so tiresome to read chauvinists wanting to nuke Argentina every it's mentioned because "muh malvinas" . We get it, you like to do that but have other issues and we frankly don't care about you, only boomers do.

​@@Monkechnology I made no mention of nukes, just a reference (in jest!) to defending a British territory from aggression. We get tired of corrupt Argentinian politicians using nationalism to distract the masses from their dirty dealings.

@@juststeve5542 As I said before, there's always a brit chauvinist threatening with war every time Argentina is mentioned. It was funny the first billion times but i guess deep down you really want that and the mess you left in the ME wasn't enough for you.

Lol

insert "well yes but actually no" meme here

Works with us because we're in a deep crisis, but don't think that JxC will make any real changes, the "falcons" (more radically right wing members) of the party are only a part of it, and many in it are still avowed peronists or weak cowards who vote for everything FdT tries to pass. Only real change here are the libertarians, and they've only been gaining significant traction since 2018, 3 years out of a century full of crisis

We're fast to swing our votes to the other sides if things go south. That doesn't mean we stop voting incompent/corrupt politicians. We just vote those on the other party.

Please stop comparing Peronism to Nazism. The ratlines are far more complicated than you try to make it be. It didn't happen exclusively in Argentina but also in the United States, Brazil, Paraguay and Chile. It was financed by foreign powers, Argentina only turned a blind eye and that is of course horrible. Nazi/German presence in the country (as the powerful country that it was) existed here way before Perón took power. There is no reason to compare him to Hitler or Mussolini because, even though there might be similar aspects of the ideology itself, Peronism never comitted any kind of sistematic crime againts any comunity, in fact it expanded human rights in the country. That is indisputable. Argentina has a huge Jewish community and none of them were ever attacked in any way by our leaders back then. In fact, many of them supported Perón. I guess we could say that they were born similarly, but you cannot say they are comparable.

@@renzgonzalez Perón himself said that he was inspired and wanted to follow the style of Mussolini. I didnt say that he was a nazi, only that he bring them. Yes its true that other countries took nazi cientificts BUT no the worst of the WAR CRIMINALS. And in exile Peron went to Franco Spain, which was fascist. You know that Peron gave him money and food that help him to stay in power in Spain, right?

@@Sebastianbertolotto1880 He said that in a stupid video. There is no way your analisis is that poor. "Socialismo Nacional" is a term related to Nazism because of the negative cognotition that it has from the horrible genocide, but you cannot use that to confirm such claims. Again, they shared historical periods and there are similarities. You are only repeating propaganda. Fascism was never practised in Argentina and Perón himself said the wasn't "in love" with Mussolini's regime in many letters that he sent from Italy. He had strong ties with the Catholic Church and allowed democratic elections, with of course many federal (not so democratic) interventions also implemented by the UCR. That would have never happened during Fascism. The most similar aspects is Peronist propaganda, but in Argentina we had that kind of fusion between national values and political ones since Rosas.

@@Sebastianbertolotto1880 War criminals also entered many countries. Even the Vatican was involved in that obscure plan. Not only Argentina did it, I insist. Many of the criminals crossed borders, incluiding Paraguay and Brazil. Even Western Germany had nazi criminals in front of crucial offices.

@@Sebastianbertolotto1880 most countries accepted war criminals dude

Doesn't mean the people were wealthy tho

Amazing what a century of bad economic policy can do.

Money needs to come from somewhere, everything go to dust anyway if IMF didn't step in. Increase tax or cut cost, Argentina only had two choices.

Because they aren't the international domestic policies fund. A country could always not use / ask for anything from the IMF

@@danielwebb8402 life is always simple, isn't it?

@@ronaldlee2139 exactly. The problem is born when everything is about money and not about people.

If they can't get their budget under control then it's only a matter of time before they'll be back in the same situation. Yeah it would be great if difficult economic reform didn't have any impact on people in the short-term however it's not always possible.

being part of the socialist international doesn't mean your party is automatically socialist. Many centrist parties are also in the socialist international.

To be fair, it's easier to explain it that way. In our political system they are the center right, even if they don't completely align with the international sense of center right (a similar thing happens to Democrats when seen by Europeans). Also, while it was part of it, the UCR never saw itself or advertise itself as socialist. And in fact it was kicked out of it for supporting Macri and joining Cambiemos.

@@GhostieTheML yeah, I'm not saying they're socialist, just that they're really never were really center right (althought that maybe changing now giving how the country is turning right with the influence of the libertarian party)

@@nicolasflores8544 yeah I wanted to clarify what usually happens with European parties as seen by Americans. As them, most of our political parties and coalitions support a state providing education, health and etc

That's what happens when politics moves so far to the left, but you still have to simplify so that foreigners can understand the situation in a 10 minute explanation

Also I'm member of PRO, the main party of Juntos por el Cambio coalition, and THAT Sunday election after knowing the results we have THE FEST of the year. All was celebration and party songs because WE WIIIN and they lose. Argentinian politics are crazy, you will never be bored here lmao

Wtf are you happy that the Libertarians got 17% in Buenos Aires, and you Need to now that Argentina dont matter the Goverment is going to hell

@@angeimer4276 because they're moving the other parties to the right which in such a left wing country is good

Everything going to hell is just the usual for us

@@lubu2960 exactly! the "communist party" (another left wing party that is 10 times more radical that the popular front (frente de todos en español) wants to seize the oil companies, is anty capitalisim and wants to socialize evrything (maybe not actuall comunisim but you get the idea) we already have price limits and regulations, instead of goverment owned stuff we have goverment owned stuff that is more useless than soviet planning (buy votes basically by giving a gov job) aaand more than 100 taxes... so yeah, get out from there would be nice 🤣

god shut up for one second i KNEW you would make this kind of stupid jokes

@@renzgonzalez this is what happens when a political movement is founded in extremism.

@@QuizmasterLaw Extremism? What was "extreme" about it? Stoping slavery in the agricultural sector?

Q: So what is Peronism? A: It depends, what do you want it to be?

@@pascalausensi9592 That is funny

Argentina is not locked out of borrowing tho, and neither does it have the highest debt in the world, either nominal or in respect to it's GDP

@@AgusSimoncelli Pardon me I see you're correct about the debt size, but it was my understanding they couldn't borrow more after defaulting for the second time since 2000?

What is the problem with that?

@@Tatincho libertarianism is a joke ideology, just like Anarcho-communism or socialism. People voting this kind of ridiculous ideas speaks volumes about how tired they are about the current politicians and how necessary is a change.

@@Tatincho Libertarians are like communists, extremist Edge lords living in their parents basements dreaming in discredited 19th century ideologies.

Viva Perón!

@@renzgonzalez carajo!

So a football team?

@@kaparg better than a football team.

When he stopped meddling with the central bank and stopped printing money. Inflation was lowered to 21% from the 30% or more of 2015

@@lubu2960 that doesn't mean "consumer prices went down", in fact, it means they went up 21%.

@@rockingrollin425it went down from 30% or more, what don't you get?

@@lubu2960 I get it perfectly, inflation went down. That doesn't mean consumer prices went down a single peso and saying so is misleading.

@@rockingrollin425 es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Evoluci%C3%B3n_del_%C3%8Dndice_de_Precios_al_Consumidor_en_Argentina ??? You can clearly the cpi going down before exploding

Viva Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

Juntos por el Cambio is not (socially speaking) left wing. Please. The vast majority of them are againt abortion, gay marriage, etc.

Right wing and libertarian aren't synonyms

@@yikes3013 I've not yet seen a good explanation of why leftist libertarianism cam even exist, how do you control the economy while granting everyone their god given freedoms? Just seems like sunshine and rainbows

@@renzgonzalez being pro life is not radically right wing but i think most of them are indeed in favor of gay marriage, despite the occasional church member

And Japan.

E.g. Japan.

5. Failed socialist economy like Cuba, Venezuela, Argentina. Get that right mate

@@joaoomega6627 dont you mean economies that have been surrounded by hostile states?

@@boomstick_ there are other countries surrounded by enemies that aren’t like those mentioned. Enough excuses.

Populism is a serious issue. Argentina is the poster child of that.

:c

Brazil and Brazilians: the same irmão.

It's sad. In the late 19th century there was an argument about which emerging economy would be better, Japan or Argentina. Now that question seems farcical in retrospect.

@@Vmac1394 i mean japan did succeed. It didnt get all it wanted from ww1 but it still was a great power. Its just the great depression really screwed them due to the USA & UK being their biggest foreign investors and they needed loads of imports what couldnt get replaced. Upsetting that the great depression pushed them into the government what joined the axis. But Argentina had a really good golden age of politicians from what i read then its just been a corrupt hell hole since. Like they were so bad they invaded the sovereign territory of a great power to hide how bad they were