It takes a bit of time to really grow on you, but eventually when it really sinks in, it is actually pretty darn good. If people don't like dubstep, that is preference, but I do not think the dubstep is bad or strictly unfitting.
@@casualkris4806 I didn't get used to anything lol it was fire right from the start and it keeps getting better every replay, I only wish they remove that weird repeating laser beam sound or whatever its supposed to be cause I think the dubstep already feels outwordly enough and that sound feels like overkill.
@@casualkris4806 i agree its not bad or unfitting at all. i love this ost. however i wish they incorporated the dubstep more into the whole ost, it feels a little abrupt
I think that's what they were going for. Abrupt to show how one sec she can be calm and in an second she can go batshit insane, or at least that's how I interpret it.
I love how every time a new boss theme beta comes out people in the comments try to seem relevant by hating it. Every single time this happened. Signora's beta theme was the first I've heard and the comments were just as full of people like that. You all are so incredibly funny
Why do people “hate” it if they say they don’t like it? Why do they want to seem relevant to you when sharing their opinion? I think it’s a great piece, I love it, but I don’t feel insulted when someone says they don’t love it. I like to know why. I think the final piece could be better because even though I love it, I think it can use a little more balance here and there and some fine tuning in certain parts concerning the volume of certain instruments or voice notes. But if this is the final piece, it’s incredibly freakin amazing. My favorite though is still Signora and Scaramouche ❤️
@@kellim307 people disliking the piece isn't really my issue. Everyone has their own tastes after all. What I don't like is people who complain that a theme sounds "unfinished" or "weak" when it's obviously still in beta. This is especially irritating because it happens with every single boss. And a ton people who complain about the dubstep part not suiting Arlecchino, when we know close to nothing on her lore. And the people who hate anything and everything in Genshin music because "Yu Peng Chen left, everything is shit" without any actual substantial criticism of what is, in their opinion, worse. There are a few people who actually offer something constructive, but the majority just hates because they want to hate and it's really popular to hate on Genshin these days.
I see what you are saying. I completely disagree with the statement “unfinished” or “weak”. To be honest, even the biggest professionals could only wish to be part of something like this. It is an incredible piece
My favourite detail in the fatui bosses is the small details of character aspects within each theme. La Signora's theme had a woman singing opera, which pays homage to her being an opera singer. In this theme, you can hear children singing. It shows both her care for children, and the orphans obedience and precision within performing. If you know anything about choirs with children, it isn't easy. Of course, this isn't directly IN the game, it's not like Arlecchino went up to the children and requested for them to sing a sick battle theme, but take this as a way of referencing it.
gotta love how some people are hating on this theme the same way some other people used to hate on Polumnia... which ended up being a banger on release, this'll be the exact same xD
@@entegi honestly, they had a lot of reasons to hate the beta, since scaramouche’s beta had horrible voices and instruments, arlecchino’s on the other hand had everything almost complete since the start, it has barely changed from the beta to the current one. My point being that any criticism towards arlecchino’s theme won’t change on the final version, if this isn’t the final version already.
@pete5423 this boss theme changed a lot in beta, phase 1 is completely different from how it was at the start of beta and the transition phase + phase two werent even in the beta until a few weeks ago. And the phase 2 in this video is also still unfinished, you can hear it pretty clearly due to the fact that its still all midi and the voice is not really that clear. But that doesnt change the fact that even in its current state phase 2 is far from being bad or underwhelming. And scaramouches theme was still being hated on by the time we had the finished version, people usually stop doing it after people actually knowledge about music say that it is actually really good and explain why.
@@ravenblackheart555Phase 1 and the transition phase are done, phase 2 still has midi and somewhat unclear voices, so musically its not gonna change much, but the sound will just be a lot clearer and natural sounding. They also did this on the 3.6 weekly boss where we only had the actual fully finalized version with preload
I dont get what people mean by its not like fatui theme and genshin theme. Whats the definition of a 'fatui theme ' or a ' genshin theme' ? In fact i support hoyomix letting each of the fatui harbingers has its own features and characteristics refering to the boss him/herself. Despite from la signora and scara's saddness and Chaotic Evil with unwillingness, the feeling of Arlecchino is different. Apart from the femmale vocal and the kids sound from the background, in phase 1 the untidy strings( which the people saying is mading phase 1 worse than beta ver) is so perfect to represent her evil or danger, fitting her personality, then to the fatui leitmotif which is as epic as others but thats not the main point. What makes it top is the phase 2. Different from la signora's tragicness and scara's angerness and Unyielding. . knave's phase 2 Start from a high pitch vocals and an epic beautiful orchestra compose. Representing her identity as a BOSS and evilness and we are having an epic fight with her. A good opening .Then to the choir part.(4:08) It further establish the image of arlecchino as an emperor and main character in the ost, how powerful and strong she is. Its not pure evilness though, the feeling of evilness doesnt come from the musical instrument that is using( for example, organ are often use to play melodies to show their evilness in genshin especialy for scara). For me, the sense of evil comes from the momentum displayed from the singing of vocal( check the definition of momentum, here is not the one in physics) . The requiem part (4:35) doesnt feel sadness. Its more like chilling. Traditionaly, requiem has relation with death or something, also has meaning of rest. People thinking this part is the sad story of arlecchino but no. For describing, the feeling of this requiem part is arlecchino seating on the throne up stairs, putting her cheeks in one hand, looking down at us, with a contemptuous smile, then stand up and dancing( for example the last dance of furina and focalors is the best matching, imagine arlecchino is having that dance with contemptuous smile and look at us up stairs next to the throne) this is exactly the feeling of that part, not what people talking about saddness. Is the absolute confidence as a parent who is having everything on her control( house of the hearth and we travelers). Back to the music, in the requiem part, then the kid background vocal fade away, left by the vocal and organ solo. This match with the little spoilers in 4.6 trailer. We just know arlecchino is having some plan where she has conflict with lynette and lyney etc. She is just like singing out her plan, describing its greatness. Then in 5:02 its like she finish her words, looking back at us, bring back to the fight, just like she is telling that:' now lets continue ' The peak in 5:13 is like she rise up her both hands with Palms up horizontaly. Then the builds up of phase 1, 2 drops by a slap of finger, refering to the start of real battle. Hard beat drops. U can imagine arlecchino finally gets serious and make a massive attack . Also for the ending, is also different. Lets first talk about la signora and scara, before the ending, what in head of it is the telling of sad story and hard emotion feelings. their ending are fill with hated and rage and evil tone. Their story behind them is like the conductor of their theme, driving their movements. But arlecchino's is different. You can hear that she is the one who is conducting her own music( judged by the vocal singing to the last of the theme, then stop, follow by the fin of the orchestra) and on the last drop by the orchestra, she is looking at us again finishing her performance. These all are what i feel from the theme, well let see if it really fits arlecchino in her story quest And back to the question from the begining, music shouldnt be trap by what like consicous and sterotype. Music is like another form of story telling. It doesnt matter what kind of form, istrument involves in the music, what is the most important is the information told by the melody and the most direct feeling it brings to you. As an audiance, we should not bring our first impressions and expectations in listening to music, especialy for character/boss themes. In fact, we should try to understand whats the message that the theme wants to bring to us. A good theme isint related to type and whatever. Its only bad if its not related to the background of a person or event. Like you play happy song if someone die. And 4.6 is not out yet, we shouldnt draw conclusio immediately whether its a good ost or bad ost. Lets wait for the story quest of arlecchino and give some respect to the music composers in hoyomix, they have done a very good job in making numerous of theme and ost and songs in mihoyo. ( need to inform that each hoyoverse games have a independent department for making songs except the composers apply for moving to another team)
You actually sound like an expert in music analysing ngl unlike all other critics, been so long since I've saw someone analyse a music like the way you did. Just woah
@yowarrenborids3833 Ik, expert might be somewhat over the top but my guy comparing you to all the other comments, you really give my brain a refresh, it's truly enjoyable for a music professional to find someone understanding the hidden messages behind a song, and especially the second phase has tons of hidden meanings and you being able to decipher nearly all of them is very woah
you know, at first I wasn't pretty sure in considering this as a scara and signora's level ost (I think you were probably referring to me too since I also wrote some comments saying it didn't quite fit a fatui theme), but reading your comment made me realize I was wrong. I think your argument has a valid point, so thank you for making me open my eyes I guess, haha
@@Dottore2ndHarbinger thank you for your appreciation 😄 I just want to inform you that I didn’t refer to anyone specifically. So.. just letting you know☺️
So called musical geniuses in the comments should realize the dubstep refers to outside of tevyat, neither the whale nor Arlecchino's true form belongs to tevyat, it has been pretty evident from the lore and trailers. Calling the dubstep irrevelant for this harbinger's theme is just pure bullshit. Just cuz you hate dubstep doesn't make it a bad form of music. Nobody out here praising the progressive build-up in 2nd phase, the "snap" leading to the post drop organ part sounding absolutely menacing, just wa wa wa crying about the dubstep lmao. Y'all need to realize the new composers put the same effort if not more than what Yu Peng Chen did back in his time and stop hating for nothing.
There’s also tons of electronic/dubstep in other harbinger themes too (and most boss themes too), why is it a problem when it comes to Arlecchino 💀 Scara’s theme was FULL of it
My only real gripe for this track is that I think phase 2 could have been extended a bit more to give each segment a bit more time. But this is just solid and better than most mobile games can ever aspire to be.
you don’t have to be a musical genius to dislike a piece of music. i’m an amateur composer/arranger and i hate the edm in phase 2. i get that it’s supposed to be representative of the character, but i still don’t like the way it sounds. everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@@bitofaerosiderite2350 the issue isn't on liking or disliking a piece, like any other type of art form, music taste is subject. The issue lies on belittling the piece just because you don't enjoy it, and trying to pass that as a fact.
tbh some of the "hate" are valid, i do like how they did arlecchinos boss theme, but the dubstep part, especially towards the end of the second phase sounds super experimental
The music is amazing but my gripe is that the Fatui motif isn’t completely noticeable. I did hear that phase 2 is still being worked on I think and phase 1 is considered completed.
Bro this is just nowhere near the level of scara or la signora and by a longshot,the second phase almost doesn't even sound like genshin...that is not a problem of course but it just sounds off...I really hoped for something better than what this Is
amazing theme but i wish they built more upon the beginning of phase 2 instead of changing it to a different melody so abruptly. :( i like this part so much 4:08 wish it lasted longer
When I first heard it I didn’t really like the Theme because the past few themes have been huge bangers. But I’ve grown to enjoy it a lot and absolutely loved every second of it.
lmao imagine having to reluctantly force yourself to listening to this slop over and over until you've finally deluded yourself into enjoying it instead of naturally liking it the first time. Don't kid yourself. It's a badly made song.
not that my two cents has any meaning here but i am also on the side that im disappointed more trap/edm has been used since yu peng chen left, almost as if the team has to make up for not being able to make stuff as unique as his with an orchestra, but with that aside - its definitely not wrong to assume they went this route because of arlecchino's character. what i mean is, everytime edm/trap has been used for a main drop and/or chorus for boss themes has always been when the enemy is abyssal, vastly non-human, or not belonging to teyvat. so maybe, i can let it slide if the music reflects her lore in this way. i just wish it was longer, i feel phase 2 couldve easily done something similar to childe and signora's themes having it incorporate the opera singing and reduce the dubstep with the assistance of more orchestral elements exactly at 5:30 onwards, wouldve helped tie it together more imo, the backup vocals shouldve overpowered. on an unrelated note, i am so so so so thrilled to finally hear them use a deeper female singing voice, it adds something new that other themes are yet to try out. continues to allow fatui themes to each sound different with voices that match the character.
Dude have you heard Fontaine music ? Like all of the leitmotifs of Fontaine, Furina and even Neuvilette. It's not really into EDM/Trap, they still enjoy being free and versatile in music styles. I have to admit though that I find that narwal bossfight and music is very dissapointing... Her's is quite impressive but too short.
@@allanchicoine8149 of course, hence why I was talking about boss themes alone as they are meant to be a cut above the rest. They did really well with character demo and Fontaine osts, but the boss themes just feel like they’re lacking now
I agree with alot of your points and am in the same boat-ish. I understand why the edm is used... I just don't like it? I wish more boss themes were like Symphony of Boreal Wind. My god that is my favorite boss theme.
Why does the first phase sound so much better in beta than in this version? There is too much overload in the sound. The second phase is gorgeous, although at the end it feels like you're playing Geometry Dash in some new Extreme Demon
If this is the actual finished version then that’s quite interesting since usually the finished version would be better than the beta but this sounds exactly like the beta
@@sapphirescryb5775 cope. they're going to ship this rubbish out as-is and not put any more manpower into trying to save it from this horrendous state. they'd rather spend extra time counting your money instead.
Anyway another banger piece, i had thought it would resemble la signora and all-devouring narwhal with children's chorus, and it absolutely delivered & then went above and beyond
@@mistressofdreams6031 You're just saying that because of the title, right? Let me explain, this is the leaked test version, not the full version, so you will have to wait for 4.6 at the time of the Capucchino Boss to feel the vibration of the final version.
@@DR_REDACTED Yeah I did and that’s not my point here. Trap / dubstep is trash. They could have used anything else to represent powers not from teyvat.
Nah the dubstep is easily the best part, it gives such apocalyptic/destructive vibes which perfectly matches Arlecchino's boss fight. You should learn to appreciate EDM more.
Lol i was thinking that genshin is too dependent on fatui theme leitmotif but still liked the song, then i checked out comments section 😂 go listen to fanmade or ai generated boss themes, they can only depend on fatui leitmotif and other existing pieces, if you like it so much.
Phase 1 is an absolute banger Phase 2 is not worth talking about ,probably different composer Yu peng chen set the boss themes boundaries way too high,that none can create storytelling bangers like him anymore
Nah phase 1 is boring. 4:50 is where it's at. Phase 2 is a banger. Yu pengnchen, blah blah. Dude look at things that weren't by him... neuvilette trailer theme for example. Raindrop... you credit him for too much.
@@spymadmax584 we all know that if you didnt know chen left you wouldn't be as nitpicky as you are now, also how can you say that they cant create storytelling when we still dont even know Arlecchino's story yet or the context behind this boss fight.
watch the recent 4.6 livestream, and listen to the music on arlecchino boss showcase and the music on the 1st redeem code. The music is finalized, the same that I uploaded.
Its not bad...its just suuuuper generic. And i once again, beg of the hoyomix team, to STOP PUTTING TRAP(or any of its sub-genres) IN EVERYTHING! Adding trap =/= menacing and good. And not to mention my brother,an independent artist is more creative with the beats.
@@airacousland232 doesn't seem that way. The Narwhal,a major archon quest boss wasn't composed by Chen so it's highly unlikely this was too. And let's be honest,we can't hear Chen in this .
@@cancer5950 i agree, the trap makes it sound a bit more generic and less unique and personalized to the character... look at scaramouches theme, its so full of his personality and his thoughts and feelings which is what the ost should sound like. no generic stuff only to try to sound more appealing to the listeners. they gotta let go of the dubstep and trap man
@mr.gemini814 I think he's right, previously Harbingers battle music was built like a song around the lemotiff, but since Genshin has changed the music producer I feel like I'm not fighting against a powerful organisation anymore. Scaramouche's theme was ok, but now Arlecchino's one has kinda lost the feeling of an actual Fatui Harbinger one. I'm not saying it's a bad Ost. It's just that they could have improved it to make her sound like more menacing opponent like Tartaglia or Signora... hopefully we will get that feeling back in the future, who knows?
Let's face it music is one of the most subjective thing ever. You can have the most vile music ever and some people would still like it. But what is objective is that older boss themes were almost all universally loved with very few snobs who thought they were bad, while Arlechchino's boss theme is kinda dividing opinions here, looking at the like/dislike ratio it's almost half/half. So it's either a drop in quality at hoyomix or just back luck(can't win them all), who knows? I guess will see how future music is going to be.
Honestly. I think it could have been improved upon if phase 2 was extended. I notice how it has a relative slow built up compared to alot of other boss tracks, and I doubt that the EDM solo that is kind of normal for some other tracks too would have been as bothersome by some. (That section takes only a quarter of the track but it feels like the song ends too soon afterwards). I doubt anyone would complain about that change for the matter. But who knows. That said, I can't shake off the feeling there is a small percentage that dislike the music because it is not up to the standard of how Yu-Peng Chen would have lead the direction of the track if he still were the lead contributor.
@@casualkris4806 felt the same way about the whale, the build up lasts for 80% of the piece just for it to lead to something that won’t even last half a minute, and in this piece’s case, it just gets interrupted by the edm part.
@@pete5423Yes, if you compare the climax of the signora with the opera with that of the arlecchino and the dubstep drop, the opera is a thousand times better and MATCHES what the theme is playing before, in arlecchino no, it just drops out of nowhere and then disappears, returning the music of the fatui
