The 2-8-8-2 looks like a modified Rivarossi Norfolk and Western Y-6b. It shouldn’t have that tender or design as das as I’m aware, so it was definitely modified to be tender driven at some point, and since it has a Union Pacific tender I’d assume whoever was working on it wanted to convert it to look like a Union Pacific 2-8-8-2 Mallet. Hope that helps, but take all of this with a grain of salt if you want. I’m not an expert on these things, and I’m guessing based on what I know from other peoples models and certain engines that I’m familiar with.
At 2:35 that is not a wind up locomotive, but is a Triang-Hornby Battle Space Radar command centre car. The rubber band connects the wheels to a rotating radar dish. Also has an illuminated dome that may flash. Battle Space attracted many junior buyers for a few years from 1966. Many of these items were made with permission of Lionel designs after Lionel sold Triang Scalextric designs for a while.
Thanks for documenting the show. Nice score on the GN 4-8-4. I was there as well and bought one of the project steamers from the second vendor, a Mantua 2-8-2 chassis with a super detailed Cary boiler and a tender of unknown origin. It is a pretty good model of a C&O Mikado for $50. The vendor said they were estate items and that the original owner was well known for unusual kitbashing projects. I was tempted by the big articulated locomotives but they are just way too large for my layout!
Great finds at the show, Harrison. The Tenshodo Northern for $100 C is a super buy. I bet it just needs cleaning of contact surfaces. It appears that the motor on the Rivarossi Challenger died so someone made a “better “ tender drive for it. They also changed the lettering to their own railroad.
Hey SMT! Your biggest fan calling to dispatch again! That GN engine is an S-2 northern. It look’s awesome! I have a Pere Marquette 1225 by Bachmann from 2022 and she is the pride of the fleet
Brilliant show, glad you had a great time…some real rarities too in great condition. I loved my Pendolino journeys 15 years ago. Great buys for your layout!
The tender for the Bowser challenger is a monogram tender for a Big Boy with a Bowser electrification kit added. I have one just like it. The brass wheels are the tell tail sign. Have a great day and love your videos
Great buys! You always do a great job at summarizing the event and showing the wares. Thanks a lot for the shoutout. Like I said before, hopefully next year we meet up so we can cause some trouble. 😉
6:57 This is called a "Challenger" Some history about the challenger: A total of 105 Challengers were built for Union Pacific between 1936 and 1943 and was, for many years, the only operating engine of its class in the world - the largest and most powerful operating steam locomotive. They were retired in 1962 and stored in the roundhouse in Cheyenne, Wyoming, until 1975 when it was placed on display near the Cheyenne depot. A group of Union Pacific employees volunteered their services to restore the locomotive to running condition in 1981. In 2022, Union Pacific donated Challenger No. 3985 to the Railroading Heritage of Midwest America. A group of Union Pacific employees volunteered their services to restore the locomotive to running condition in 1981. In 2022, Union Pacific donated Challenger No. 3985 to the non-profit Railroading Heritage of Midwest America (RRHMA) who plans to restore it back to operating condition. Union Pacific 3985 is no longer in service to this day.
That 4-6-6-4 looks like a Bowser challenger. Apparently many modelers back in the day swapped the bowser tenders for Rivarossi tenders as they were more realistic for the challengers than the bowser ones, at least I’ve heard
Thank you for the view into your show, it was very refreshing (and nostalgic) to see the various setups plus vendors booths. I still haven't been to a show since pre-COVID days, mostly because they largely disappeared around here, hopefully I'll see one pop up when I'm free soon though.
Nice purchases. There was a yard in Spokane that the NP, GN, and SP&S used. My dad would take my brother there in the 1950's to watch them turn Challengers and Northerns on the turn table at the engine house.
Wow that looks like a really great show. Reminds me of the one that's in West Springfield Massachusetts that I went to this year. That Challenger looks to be the early body style before they made it look the way it does in the later years. So that one is probably a generation 1. I say did really good with the purchases.
So, the 4-6-6-4 you have appears to be a Union Pacific Challenger. Reason for the big boy tender is probably because it was the closest thing a pervious owner found that matched the locomotive.
I would've definitely bought those Tri-Ang Hornby cars if they were being sold at $5 a piece. The 2-8-8-2 is an N&W Y6b with a tender from a Big Boy. I'm surprised such a large locomotive has the motor in the tender like the old 4-4-0 models The 4-6-6-4 is the same type as Union Pacific 3985, they used the same tender as the big boys
Great show. Thanks for the great videos. I live in Pennsylvania and was affected by all the smike from the fires in Canada. I hope they are not affecting you or your family.
The 4-6-6-4 is a Bowser Challenger. I own several of thise kits that I have assembled over the years. They are excellent runners so long as they are assembled correctly.
Not a bad little show, Harrison. Would've been a comical meet-up with Mark from M&M Rails. Maybe next year. The hobo sitting in the open boxcar could get where he's going a lot faster by walking since the Climax locomotive is not known for speed. 😅 Hope you get the brass locomotive working in tip top shape. Thanks for sharing. 👍🐾👍
That 2-8-8-2 is definitely a Norfolk & Western Y-6b. Those were widely regarded as being among the most powerful steam locomotives ever built. The N&W was unique in that, unlike most railroads, they were among a few that built their own locomotives in-house. In the early 1960s, when dieselization was in full-swing, the N&W trialed one of the newer f-unit diesels against one of their Y-6b's - fittingly enough against N&W #2197, same number as your model - and the Y-6b was still powerful enough that the N&W wasn't overly impressed with the diesel, and decided to stick with steam! They were, to my knowledge, the last American railroad to make the switch to diesel power. But the Y-6b's were so powerful that it wasn't until 1990 - 30 years after the last Y-6b was retired - that a single-engined diesel locomotive was finally built that could match the pulling power of the Y-6b. That's the legacy those monster locos left behind. And it's a shame none of them were saved. The closest relative is Y-6a #2156. Also, that is definitely not the right tender, as the tender is for either a UP Challenger or Big Boy. Or possibly a UP 4-8-4, as the three locos used very similar tenders. The proper N&W tender unfortunately doesn't appear to have been included with that particular locomotive. My guess is that - and this is going off of what I'm seeing - is that this locomotive was kit-bashed for a sort of "what-if" scenario where the Union Pacific and Norfolk & Western merged. Why do I say this? The tender says "P & NW. The logo is slightly off-center, and a couple of the letters are showing significant signs of wear, which could indicate to me that the letter U might have initially been in front of the P. Also it's an N&W locomotive with a UP tender.
"Widely regarded" by who, exactly? Here's the league table in terms of tractive effort GN 2-8-8-2 Class R-2 162,000 lbs NP 2-8-8-4 Class Z-5 146,0000 lbs DMIR 2-8-8-4 Class M-3/M-4 140,000 lbs WP 2-8-8-2 Class M-137 137,000 lbs UP 4-8-8-4 Class 4-8-8-4-2 135,000 lbs N&W 2-8-8-2 Class Y6b 125,000 lbs As low speed locomotive, the Y6b isn't in the same horsepower league as the Big Boys (6000 DHP), let alone the PRR's S1 (7200 DHP) or the champion, the C&O's 2-6-6-6 class H8 (7500 DHP).
Nice bumping into you at the show. It was a good show and bonus it’s free! I got some box car kits that will be fun to assemble, and tortoise switch machines at half price. All the vendors and layout guys are super friendly and helpful. Turns out one of them lives just around the corner from me.
Very nice grab on that Northern. Most likely has a case of the sits that a bit of cleaning and running should fix. IIRC the Bowser locomotive came as a kit of just the locomotive because at the time Monogram/Revell had a plastic model kit of the Union Pacific Big Boy in HO scale and the idea was you'd buy the Bowser kit and then the Monogram kit and either Bowser included or had a separate kit of the hardware and electrical bits to convert the model kit tender to work with the Bowser locomotive. Was lucky in that Chicago area we had two of those shows held at two adjoining counties every month save for July when the county fair was held. One ended with the fairgrounds moving but the other is still held. Used to attend on a nearly monthly basis when I was your age but life changes and adulting took place and attempting to find a replacement locomotive for my late father in law's Revell trainset gave me cause to attend for the first time in 18/20 years and the old saying about not being able to go home again is true as back in the day that show was spread over 5 or 6 exhibit buildings with parking areas between the two largest buildings and the smaller ones filled with vendors selling flea market style. Coming up empty on my main cause of my quest in the first 2 buildings I moved on towards the other buildings only to have someone tell me those 2 buildings were the only buildings. Even more sad was hearing one of the old timers I remembered from back in the day tell the vendor next to him that he was wasn't doing the shows anymore and was looking for someone to just buy out his stock.
Really nice haul here man! I hope you could get those restored as soon as possible man! Oh that g scale sd locomotive is a sd70mac from a g scale company called usa trains although i dont think cn had sd70macs but sd70is plus sd75is so thats what it is btw lots of great vendors at the show and lots of cool items too i would agree with you on it! When i went to the g scale train show last week i purchased my very first usa trains product in g scale which is a rio grande 3 bay coal hopper as well as some other stuff. Thanks for sharing this!
I am always so envious of your outings. Canada has some really great train shows, and now some top notch manufacturers too. It's nice that you have a mild interest in the European stuff, nice change of pace. GN steamer (Goatheads Unite!) is a beauty, I hope you can make that a clean restoral, with everything in place as she deserves. Cheers.
Amazing video as usual Harrison. I hope that you and your family are thriving and staying safe, especially with the wildfires so close to you guys. Keep up the great work!
Big Boys and Challengers (4-6-6-4s) have identical tenders. In fact, UP swapped the 4014's tender for 3985's when they first got 4014 running a few years ago. (3985's. tender needed less work to fix it up so using that tender allowed 4014 to get back into service sooner.
The tender you got with the big boy that was incorrect is actually for a mallet if it has power pickup wheels that would be the correct one. You could mount that square rivarossi motor back in the cab and be back to how it was built. Looks like someone cut the motor mount off the frame.
If you think that finding a security camera at a train show is crazy, try a Hamfest. As a Ham radio operator, you never know what you will find besides ham radio equipment. Also, I even found model train items at hamfests over the years. As far as the train show finds, my guess that someone was trying to make their own UP Challenger (4-6-6-4) out of the Bowser/Rivarossi combo. I look forward to seeing the new equipment being worked on in future videos.
The brown car is a late 80's Ford Thunderbird. Tbh, I need more ho vehicles on my layout XD I did get a 4 by 8 board the other day and I am starting to build on it.
That 2-8-8-2 is a Norfolk & Western Y-class Mallet(pronounced Mal-lay) steam locomotive! Not exactly sure which variant, as there were a few(Y5, Y6, Y6a, and Y6b), but the number font and front design are unmistakable.
The Great Northern S2 is gorgeous and for $100 CAD it is stellar. The S2s were the ones that pulled the Empire Builder for most of the run, (with the exceptions being in MN and WA) until dieselization, and were excellent passenger and fast freight locomotives. BLI came out with a recent example as well, but you can't beat the classic Tenshodo brass.
GN Electrics! The class Y1 1-C+C-1's that became the PRR's FF2's helping ore trains bound for Pittsburgh out of the Delaware Valley after Big Gee shut off the juice and the monstrous class W-1 B-D+D-B streamliners.
Yes, it is a "Northern" type. I've always found the various nicknames for wheel arrangements interesting. Oh, and did I mention that it is sometimes also called a "Niagara", "Dixie", or "Pocono" type? 4-8-4s have multiple nicknames depending upon the region it is in.
Cool finds! It would be best to have a matching Norfolk and Western tender for those articulated engines. As they appear to be an N&W Y6B and a Class A.
Those British locos....more than likely they were OO rather than HO. OO is just a tad bit bigger than HO. The ratio of OO is 1:76.2, while the ratio for HO is 1:87. If they were Hornby, I'd bet money on them being OO, as that's more popular in the UK, New Zealand and Australia.
That tender for the 4-6-6-4 Challenger (which is indeed a Bowser) is a Monogram tender with a Bowser conversion kit. Sometime in the early 1980s Monogram made a HO scale plastic static display Big Boy model kit, just like thermistor model ships, cars, and planes) complete with its signature centipede tender. Bowser I guess saw how well the model was detailed and saw possibilities, so made a brass metal electrical pickup kit complete with metal wheels. You have someone's old kit bash project. Oh and you have some dirt on your chin.😐
The 4-6-6-4 is probably a Clinchfield R.R. 4-6-6-4. During WW2 the UP ordered I’m not sure how many challengers. Enough that the USRA wanted some to go to the Denver & Rio Grande. After the war the D&RG didn’t like the challengers and sold them to the Clinchfield. That explains its odd look.
I saw a Hornby Dublo 8F hiding in the British OO scale stuff that was on sale - would’ve been a good purchase if the price was right. They’re all die cast and built like tanks. Easy to work on too. Hornby Dublo was Mecanno’s tange produced in Liverpool between 1938 and 1964. They were bought out by Triang Rovex, which is how Hornby railways obtained the name they have today. The red one was a Triang Hornby « Lord Westwood » from the ´70’s - a fictional livery for a GWR Hall class, quite a rarity, the number on its tender is the phone number of the Triang Rovex factory in Margate Kent (Still Hornby’s HQ and visitors center - worth a visit next time you’re in the UK)
Close with the 8F 2-8-0 , but with the shiny metal tyerd in the pony truck and tender wheels, that would indicate the subsequent Wrenn post 1974 production of the locomotive. Two rail Hornby Dublo and earlier pre 1974 Wrenn had all plastic carrying wheels on the locomotives and rolling stock. It surprises many that Wrenn made many ex Hornby Dublo locomotives for far longer than Hornby Dublo with Wrenn production ceasing in 1992.
@@johnd8892 true enough. Great locos. I’m lucky enough to have several HD and Wrenn locos. They have a presence that even the best of modern production lacks.
03:37 that diesel in the bottom of shot is model of DP2 and Not a Deltic just look at the roof details, 4x exhaust ports, and one large cooling fan, Must be a kit built or modified model as, as far as I'm aware no company has produced a RTR one? Though I could be wrong about that?
Heljan produced the DP2 prototype locomotive back in around 2011, at the time it was a limited edition and at the timestamp you are mentioning I can tell you it is definitely the heljan model because I own one in the same livery, it’s one of their best OO gauge locomotives.
OK thanks for that, My knowledge in "modern" railway modelling isn't the best and I wasn’t sure that Heljan had done one as they have done models of most of the missing diesel classes from 1955 pilot scheme era
Hey SMT I Went To a 2 day Train Show and Picked up Alot of Stuff , Iam A big O Gauge Guy but I Do Have A Nice Broadway Limited Ho Collection but I picked A Beautiful Set Of Leigh Valley PAs Athern they Run Great and Looks Amazing. Question what would be Value of These I got 🤔 them To Let Go To Someone that's just Starting Off or Into Athern they come with Original Boxes As Well ? CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS ? THANK YOU 😊 HAPPY RAILROADING 😀
