The Liverpool fan brought a lot of reasonable points to the table, he seems like a nice guy. Ty is just a manchild, interrupting and shouting to try and get his point across
@@bri1085 the thing is tho, Grizz, I know him recently from the Big 6ix show, he is a lovely guy, even in this vid you see how well he comes across, if you’re actually nice how on Earth can you carry on cutting someone like him off, screaming at him etc. The fact that I just found out he’s 51 is shocking, I thought it was bad enough that a 30-40 year old acted this way, which is what I thought his age was. At 51 acting like this is an actual embarrassment
Liverpool have more champions leagues than arsenal have league cups. Liverpool has 66 honours (tied most with united), arsenal has 46. By no means little(3rd most). But still 20 off liverpool. Ty is a fool
Ty really needs to understand that debating isn’t for him. Shouting and screaming and talking 100 miles an hour doesn’t mean you’re running. Grizz owned him. Constructive and showed him how it’s done like a man who knows the game.
It’s gone beyond irritating. At the start it’s like look at this, he’s nuts and it’s funny. Now, Years on, I just want ty to not be someone I have to see, he makes me so vexed. He’s 50 odd and acts like how I did when I was 15, can’t admit anything.
I think on that last point, Grizz just agreed with him cos' he knew this guy will just go on waffling and he wanted to end the show and leave as early as possible.
When Ty was up against the spurs fan he based his entire argument on the amount of trophies in the cabinet. Now hes up against a Liverpool fan all of a sudden he doesn’t want to do that
Well you can't base the argument off of trophies in the cabinet because both managers have won major honours. Honestly Klopp is class and Arsene respectfully just overstayed which I think a spoils it for a lot of people. IMHO he did it out of a sense of duty the club was essentially broke getting absolutely raided. At least he stayed to continue to deliver a semblance of consistency. That being said idk how Arsenal built a stadium and it ruined them for 20 years. Tottenham built a more expensive stadium and they stayed the same.
@@roronoalaw7772 point is he's a walking contradiction and can't handle the fact that having a bit of pre WW2 success, an invincibles team and most fa cups doesn't make you doesn't only not make them a bigger club than Liverpool but even sit at that table. Man Utd and Liverpool sit at their own table, no one else comes close yet. It's very debatable whether Arsenal are even as big a club as Chelsea and soon City will overtake them... Arsenal fans can't handle that, especially Ty.
As a fan of Celtic and not an English football team I have to ask….is Ty actually for real or is this some kind of character he plays? If he’s for real i totally agree he offers nothing at all to this show lol
The amount of patience from this Liverpool fan is crazy. Respect for that. I wouldn't know how to even talk to this disillusioned person on my best day.
that's literally a form of torture when you put ANYBODY in a debate with Ty. why you gotta torture the Liverpool fan? he's got human rights ya know.. and i'm a United fan but he don't deserve this..
As a united fan I never thought I'd like a Liverpool fan but the man tries to have a legitimate debate where Ty just talks over him and repeats himself like an idiot.
@@fletcherburke3424 agree 100%. He’s always very objective, calm and always gives points both ways. So many people would’ve just lost their shit with Ty, me included, I couldn’t have a debate with him without the thought of swinging for him coming into my head
Spot on man. The fact that this guy gets a platform to talk doens't make sense anymore. It was good during lockdown for all the memes but now it's just a big headache when I listen to this guy speak. On the other hand Vizeh I've recently discovered your channel and I must say some of the topics you discuss and very good. Hope to see more people like you grow.😁
Liverpool have 19 leagues and 6 Champions leagues... I think the first question is obvious and even the most biased Arsenal fan couldn't argue that... as soon as Ty went strongly disagree we really should question if he's a Spurs fan sabotaging Arsenal's image at this point.
Ty said 4 years ago on AFTV that Liverpool are the biggest club in England and since then Liverpool have won it all and we've won 1 fa cup but now arsenal are bigger
As an Arsenal fan, I would like to personally apologise to grizz for trying to debate with ty. He does not represent us sensible Arsenal fans. Idek why ladbilbe chose him over someone like Turkish or Lee judges for this show
@@Gunnersami contrary to popular belief Ty is one of the most educated fans out there. although he needs better people skills his passion for the club is unmatched, personally im all here for it haha
Please don’t get Ty back on this. Interrupts the other person while speaking, and doesn’t have any logic, just Arsenal no matter what. He said arsenal was worth 800 billion come on man. He probably think arsenal has a better team than Liverpool right now.
Agree I had to stop this video after only 2 min because of TY he's soo annoying he interrupts he is shouting for no reason and he's talking shit all the time. and im an arsenal fan.
agreed bro, there’s no point of having debate with ty, even your an real madrid fans, ty still think arsenal is bigger club than real lol, I enjoyed watching ty being deluded, but now it is over the limit at the point where it is really annoying to have debate with. I feel sorry for the liverpool fan and the other fans who has debated with him.
Don't forget Anfield 89 and Old Trafford 02, lol. In Ty's mind these one-off achievements trump any amount of Champions Leagues wins, World Club Cups or English league titles.
@@keeman7994 the year Liverpool won the league everyone at AFTV was so worried that Liverpool would go undefeated, because if they had, Arsenal would literally have nothing to boast about lol.
@@hsiang7 We'd still have 13 league titles, 3rd highest in England and 14 FA Cups, most of all time. Ofc the Invincibles is the pinnacle but we still have other stuff.
As an Arsenal fan, I still can't believe Ty is still at AFTV. Seriously it makes not only you lots can call him deluded and mad but also I and most Arsenal fans hate what Ty is saying.
@@Lucaprayin he's on there because he gets more views for Robbie. We dont like the BS that he spouts but its like a car-crash, you know you shouldnt stare at the mangled remains but you cant help yourself. Personally i tune in to watch AFTV for the days when he gets put in his place : which is under an old footbridge. Thats where most deludedly-retarded little trolls belong! He does make AFTV & Robbie alot of money tho!
Win percentage of Arsenal's Invincibles: 68% Win percentage of Liverpool's title winners: 84% Nowadays draws are essentially losses in the title race. Only wins matter.
As an Arsenal fan I am embarrassed to have Ty represent us in this video. How can a man of that age not know how to participate in a debate. It’s like talking to a wall ffs.
Mate, u should not be embarrassed for a man who s love for the club has overtaken his rationality. Matter of fact i am embarrassed to have you as fellow fan
Such a joke considering klopp was 0.01 seconds away from going invincible and getting 100 points and winning the league. Literally 5mm of the ball wasn't over the goal line that stopped Liverpool wining the league being invincible and centurions 🤣
He's forgetting that Arsenal's invincible 04 team isn't the best team in the epl. Liverpool once finished second with 97 points while arsenal's invincible team finished with 90.
His only argument is the invincible team. Having an invincible team doesn’t make you a big club at the end of the day it only counts as one league title😂
Exactly. It means that specific squad did that not the club. I'm sure 99% of arsenal fans would bite off your hand if you told them they'd get a ucl title in return for not having a invincible season
“It took you 30 years to win the league” yet Ty talks about the invincibles like it was yesterday. 18 years since they last won the league and counting.
He still living in the good old day a time with no VAR if did you think Arsenal still be invincible. Plus have Arsenal with the Champions League and club world cup. Yes you be winning the FA Cup last time Arsenal win the league and not win champion league before so please Kloop has not be Liverpool manager for 30 years. Wake up Arsenal long long war for Manchester city and Liverpool FC.
@@ssssssss1643 and your whole life arsenal have more trophies domestically than liverpool. see arsenal havent won the league in 17 years and i can still say that.
@@Gunnersami it doesn't matter , at least in my lifetime i have seen my club lifting Legue cup , Fa cup , Premier league, Champions league , Uefa Cup , Super cup , club world Cup .. everything! I tell u , the joy of becoming the best team in the world is another level 😁 Also , to top it off ... In my lifetime i witnessed Liverpool overtaking United to be the most successful English Club. Liverpool have the most Trophies 🔥
@@ssssssss1643 ofcourse it matters its a legacy thats why klopp was so desperate to win the mickey mouse carling cup. becoz u actually in reality dont win shit in england fucking ever. i support ARSENAL FFS and i can say this out loud. Arsenals invincible team would destroy every team the league has ever assembled ever. Henry alone is better than everysingle player to ever wear a liverpool shirt ever in the history of this world.
I mean, I’m an Arsenal fan. The idea we’re a bigger club than Liverpool is ridiculous. But I doubt Ty truly believes that as I’ve heard him say on AFTV streams that Liverpool are the biggest team in the country. He just fronts when opposed. It’s all good.
arsenal are a massive club and i think its 7 leauge titles while liverpool have 19 leauge titles. that win the statement for me . i really hope ye get 4th and make ronaldo play europa leauge with utd next season
The invincible weren't invincible in Europe, stop living off that .Liverpool amassed more points than the invincible team did when they won the league. Ty's mad cringe
@@louisdnd934 we're talking about the invincibles. You got more points but you lost. That means at a couple of points during that league campaign, other teams were better than you because they beat you.
If I was asked to do this discussion, and I walked in and saw Ty sitting at the table, I'd just turn around and walk out. I dont think you could have a reasonable discussion with the lad no matter what the topic is.
He is no way near the best representation for Arsenal. But Lad Bible select people who would get views in. Same with Big Steve, James Redmond or Andy Tate. You watched the video for his presence. Job done!
@@bilaltokhi7445 as a Barça fan i don't bring the 2009 season into every football conversation i judge clubs by how long you stay without winning a trophy consistency is what makes you a big club
Ty comes across as a massive prick I hope his is just his On stage personality its embarrassing that a 51 year old acts like this would expect this behaviour from an 11 year old not at his age. Id have walked out of the shoot with his behaviour makes the video almost unwatchable.
@@ro9859 please don't jinx it for us😂 man city are still the favourites to win the title so we shouldn't go running our mouths too much as Liverpool fans.😅
Very true I'm a Liverpool fan. We smash arsenal silly as we do everywhere we go. and teach this TY that arsenal will never be like Liverpool to when TY is not here. YNWA
Hahaha yeah, i was like what?? If u combine the 5 biggest clubs in the world they wouldnt even Come near the worth of 100 billion, but arsenal alone would be worth 800 billion? 🤦♀️🤦♀️😂😂
@@okocha8113 Joking aside. I think this answer alone shows Ty probably has a serious mental illness. Full of facts but no concept of real world things.
He doesn't know how much is a Billion. Richest man in the world is like 200 billion and he thinks his club is 800 Billion and he had no shame saying that.
Please have this Liverpool fan on again. Loved his calm and rational discussions. Please get another Arsenal fan. He was hostile from the start and completely biased 🙄
Really don’t get the whole “who’s the bigger club” argument in general, but how Ty can say “where’s your invincibles” when asked about 6 European cups is beyond me, arsenal huge club but Liverpool another level.
@@ishanoscopybitch6708 They aren't even the only club in England to be Invincibles; Preston North End did it first, and won the FA Cup the same year, so were truly invincible that season.
Didn’t they have 15 draws that year? Liverpool got more points so that would be more important. And if they truly was the invincible why didn’t they win champions league too 😜
@@AjeetSingh-xq4yb But they still did it. If the league went back up to 22 teams and a team went unbeaten we wouldn't suddenly erase Arsenal's achievement from history like it never happened, just because the new team had to play more games. Also, unlike Arsenal, Preston actually went the entire season without losing a single game in any capacity, so they are the true Invincibles.
Love how Ty starts an argument before the guy has even said anything! Lol Even as a United Fan I can admit Liverpool are far greater a Team than Arsenal! They have won the league 19 times and could equal United's 20 Title record THIS Season. Arsenal haven't won the league in 18 Years. Liverpool have won the European Cup 6 times and been to 9 Finals! As well as winning the Uefa Cup 3 times and been to finals again. Arsenal Have been to 1 CL Final and lost it, and have also lost their last 3 finals in the Uefa Cup and Cup winners cup when that existed. They haven't won a European trophy since 1994! nearly 30 years. Plus they haven't even qualified for the Champions League since 2016 and since then Liverpool has been to 2 finals winning 1 of them! Ty banging on about a period in 30s is stupid. Huddersfield did the same thing and Liverpool have won back-to-back titles in their time too. Including the 1920s before Herbert Chapman era lol and they won it 3 years in a row 1982-84. And they have won the League 9 Times! Apart from the FA Cup there is nothing Arsenal have done that Liverpool hasn't match or bettered! As for the Invincibles, the argument would Ty would rather they hadn't won the League in 18 years, or that the 2004 team had lost 1 game but Arsenal was on 19 titles and in a title race THIS SEASON!
You didn't have to write an essay about why Liverpool are historically better than Arsenal as a counterargument to Ty's ridiculous delusions. Even us Arsenal fans know. Ty is the biggest numpty in North London, he is no shape or form representative of the Arsenal fanbase.
@@jackriver1999 don't trust any man that walks round In full football rig outs, look like he should be on the sideline for arsenal, constantly dressing like backroom staff 😂😂
Mad respect to Grizz for being so calm & composed given Ty’s lunacy. Ty’s answer to what Arsenal’s valuation of $800b is absolutely priceless & terrifyingly absurd is borders on insanity. Lol
Yeah he was spot on with most stuff but was way off with the gerrard vs Viera debate 😂 Steven gerrard uno 🤣🤣 the guys r ever got near any ultimate prem 11’s and yet viera is in all of them? Clueless
@@Lovelydropp swear Gerrard was voted the greatest Premier League player once, that's a ridiculous statement to make. You can believe Vieira was a better player, but the idea Gerrard doesn't make any GOAT Premier League XIs is ridiculous
@@nickellis4177 I really wouldn’t if your in the champions league every year you have a chance to win it no matter how dominant your are in the premier league nobody will become invincible again
So you will rate players for playing in the hardest league in the world but not a team that went undefeated and won the title in the hardest league? Hmmm
Such a typical debate between one person with all facts and stats and one who wants to get his point through by shouting. Ty literally said 6 Champions Leagues and 19 league titles is lesser than ONE invincible season. And full marks to Grizz for keeping his cool. I would have slapped the other guy. And wow! Viera is better than Gerrard! Nice joke.
@J T dude, people sometimes also laugh when the situation is not funny irl. It's nothing and how this is getting you in your feeling is something I'm having a hard time comprehending. Loosen up G
@@user-kr3qc4mj8t utd haven't competed for the title in 10 years, city owns Manchester for the last 10 and we've won more trophies and more recently won the bigger trophies. We're bigger mate get used to it
Fair play to Grizz lasting 20 minutes, as Ty's arguments are laughable and when hit with basic facts, he can never admit someone or something is better. I suppose if it was Robbie and Grizz would probably be a more well-rounded discussion.
(As a United fan) the Liverpool fan is calm and collective and not saying anything deluded unlike the arsenal guy who Dosent let the others speak 🤣 he also says some bizzare things
Literally the easiest way to counter his argument is ask him are Arsenal bigger than Real Madrid and Barcelona. If he says no (which you can't even guarantee), you can then invite him to list the deciding factors. He will be forced to put the Invincibles argument to one side as neither Real or Barca have achieved that.
The funny thing about Ty mentioning 1989 is that after the final whistle Liverpool fans applauded the arsenal fans and team.. but Ty wouldn't know that.
Imagine being an arsenal fan and having this joke represent your club how the fans even let him near the stadium never mind a camera makes the club a joke and laughingstock
Unfortunately Ty knows what he’s doing by behaving this way and companies like LadBible feed his act, ego, and energy. Could have been better and more constructive debate between two great English clubs.
I'm an Arsenal supporter. I know Grizz - we kicked a football about as local friends for years pre-1989, so the banter was good and he knew how to give it from way back. I wanted to watch this to see how my old teenage banter mate is doing ... it was painful to try and get past the first 5 minutes because of Ty. Headache inducing stuff. The guy is annoying AF. Grizz (Goh), keep doing your thing👊🏾
Tys absolutely deluded no point getting him on this at all he doesn’t have a conversation he shouts his points that don’t make sense at all just he to ramble on about the invincibles