You are wonderful Bob Thurman. Tha you for teaching us that we are not the body mind. I have a life limiting illness and it has been so comforting to listen to you.
I don't mean to be contradictory....but how does one be fearless? Better to say Be Love....but then you are faced with Eternity which is scary.....meaning ''No Time"...and why Eternity? Because you can never Love enough...infinite
I was doing the RU-vid equivalent of channel surfing and I happened upon this. I wasn’t even paying attention at first, then you said something that made me laugh, then something that made me thing, then something that made me cry. And I’m not even halfway through the video yet. I should just shut up and keep listening.
My grandfather spent thenlast few years of his life with a deep pain due to COPD. It was hard to watch. It got to a point whrte he had only a quarter lung capacity towards his last few months. But in the end on hospice, all that pain went away on morphine. He even got some of his witts and humor back, which was deeply missed. I visited him on his last day and he was suprised and happy to see me. It was such a blessing to have that and know he was enjoying his last moments
When my father was dying in the hospital I had to fight with the doctors to leave him be and make him as comfortable as possible. At first they wouldn’t even put him on morphine and I had to threaten to get him out of the hospital and administer the meds he was prescribed for pain
I admire you for your concern about your fathers suffering.I had a terrible time with this same issue.I am unsure if morphine may interfere with the clear light and have not resolved this issue but your compassion was certainly a good thing.oI would like to have asked Dr.Timothy Leary about this matter.Perhaps Robert Thurman will weigh in on the matter.
@@joseflemire4284 7:12 thanks for bringing to my attention that I have fallen into the error of confusing brain with mind!It is not unreasonable to experience pure conscious free of the perturbations of the brain.Therefore one could use morphine to ease pain of the he body but not effect pure consciousness of the Primary Light . Thanks for helping see the obvious confusion .🕉
Interesting conversation with you guys going back and forth thank you.. I'm going to add my two cents if i may , I heard that it is really a good idea to not be in an altered state.... I guess so that you know that you're dying..... but consciousness is separate from the brain.... The brain is just a body part. The body comfort might not have mattered because his consciousness might have already left his body even prior to the body dying, so morphine might not have mattered. Hospitals are evil.... They're part of the pharmaceutical cabal and doctors are trained by the evil pharma mafia.... In eight years of medical training you're given two weeks of food importance..... they are only trained to write a prescription for pharmamafia. I do not fear hospitals I hate them
RobertThurman, respected as he is, is way under rated. He’s absolutely amazing and one of (if not THE best) best representatives of the Dharma in the west.
Oh my god, that is the best example of i have heard .. A state when you lose your identity.... So in essence meditation is simply to lose your identity... I've never been able to meditate. Maybe if I just try losing my identity, I'll happen to experience my first meditation.
His points about lucid dreaming are very well presented. The process of dying and becoming is similar in many ways to the process of going to sleep and dreaming. This is part of the practice of "dying before death" in the Tibetan Buddhist, Sufi, and Yogi traditions. Conscious sleep practices allow one to remain aware in the deep sleep state, the dream formation state, and the so-called waking state as well as the transitions between all three states. Having had a near death experience many years ago, the visionary being of light, who appeared to me in that state, directed me in a unique way to the Buddhist and Yoga practices which provided a better understanding (for me personally) of the NDE phenomenon that I had just experienced ... than anything I had learned during my Roman Catholic upbringing. My sense is that the process of dying can vary significantly by individual based on the individual's life conditioning albeit conforming to certain general patterns.
Paul, I had a bad one many years ago. You can see my post above. It's something that you don't forget. I'm still a work in progress. I think being able to read my Vedic charts helped me to see my own Karma. I know that I need a lot of forgiveness from others & have realized the bad stuff that I've gone through is just my own Karma.
@@JenniferGlenn-my3zl My NDE was actually a "good one" in a sense since I emerged completely SYMPTOM-FREE from a 3-day "Irreversible coma" with a clear recollection of all that all transpired ... visionary being of light, verifiable remote viewing, out-of-body, and full awareness of returning to the physical vehicle. It was a mind-boggling, life-transforming experience. In that sense, it was a "very good NDE". (-:
@@JenniferGlenn-my3zl My NDE was actually a "good one" many years ago. In my NDE, I emerged completely SYMPTOM-FREE from a 3-day "irreversible coma" with a clear recollection of all that had transpired during that period ... visionary being of light, awesome peace, verifiable remote viewing, out-of-body, and a complete awareness of the descent back into the physical vehicle. That is why Buddhism appealed to me ... particularly the Satipatthana Sutra ... since it starts with the body ---> feelings ---> thoughts/mental-activity ---> that which lies beyond thoughts. It resonated and I knew intuitively (in conjunction with my vision) that this was the way back (to original nature). Hence, it was a very very good NDE. P.S. I couldn't find the post about your NDE.
well, always enjoy your knowledge, thank you for sharing. but one thing i disagree with is your vision of disco lights being shown as a method of dying …. i choose the last screen in “Soylent Green” where he is lying in bed surrounded by a large radius screen, showing the all beauty on earth , like a field of sunflowers with classical music …. perhaps any Vangelis music.
Ironically my only fear of death is to reincarnate back here with my memory wiped and to relive the painful experiences as though I have never been here before childish I know but a fear nonetheless
The presentation was interesting until the 9:40 The idea of nothing after death in not "to be nothing" but to cease to be "I" Once dead, the consciousness ceases. The person - the same person that minutes ago Dr Thurman recognized keeps changing throughout life - reaches the final change: Dissolves in its components returning to the universe from where it was formed. The person is gone, but the reverberations of that life remains as part - small or big - of what the rest will call "destiny". It is disappointing that as we die - everyday one day - trying to live - everyday one day - learned people preach (with good intentions or else) idiotic beliefs.
Thank you for this. I was going to read your translation but I don’t know much about Buddhism to dive into it without any confusion. This commentary was great!!
