Artesian Builds is DEAD. 

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unfortunately credit card companies are as weaselly as any others. They shouldn't abuse customers' use of the word "fraudulent", in a way that lets them squirm out of responsibility. Scammed people get angry and I'm sure many jump on that terminology just because it expresses their negative experience. Saying you didn't receive a product is factual, but doesn't express the scamminess of this situation. It's sad. 🤬

@@squirlmy file as a billing dispute

Holy! That's actually genius advice and true.... They never gave my money back when I told them I was scanned:/ which it sucks that you need to lie to get it right

@@squirlmy fraudulent to Them means you lost your card and it's stolen so basically there expecting a police report and would disable the card. Here the company folded and stopped giving refunds. So you need to engage there item not received process that's part of the Visa /Mastercard contract.

Yes, I too watch Moistcr1t1kal

Is there a typo here? I feel like there is a typo here.

i feel like this comment is on every ab video posted lol

Do I have a stroke? Are you having a stroke?

Cant wait for Summoning Salt's video on the progression of this world record.

There is a tax fraud investigation going on though, it looks like it was a rather credible charge too since they got to the point of actually freezing company assets. The fraudulent sweepstakes was likely little more than the final nail in the company's coffin. I do not doubt the quick closure was an attempt to stop or evade legal exposure on the fraud case.

I don't see him caring all that much based on my VERY limited knowledge of this

the only thing that can save this company now is some guy with a lot of money and skills to run a company properly

@@mrducky179 Yeah, about that, I'm pretty sure SomeOrdinaryGamers has offered to buy out the company. Now THAT would be pretty cool. Don't @ me on that one, it's something that I think he said on his own video about Artesian Builds.

@@AnAnonymousAuditor good, hopefully the employees can be saved

Considering the company name is now registerable as far I can tell, that would actually work. That said, these guys deserve some stability and Linus and Steve and Jay have contacts at stable established companies that they've alerted to the potential hires who have good experience.

Or drop the name Artesian entirely. I think the name brand is beyond saving

Or Artisan Builds, like I suspect it was supposed to be named :P

@@iPlayOnSpica The point of the name would be to hopefully benefit form all this publicity as the victims of this collapse. If the same channels cover it, it would be a heck of a kickstart, and memorable. And, they do say theres no such thing as bad publicity lol

Have the logo be a Phoenix busting out of an abandoned well with a bucket of water in it's talons.

They are probably a lot of people like this, maybe they just want a popularity boost or both. LMG is pretty big on RU-vid and I am not surprise that people look up to them, and/or would love work or be shared LMG.

Not like he could have reached out by mail like a normal person or anything

@@ssanc6 KristoferYee only said it was weird because Noah approached him about it when Kris responded to someone else in Noah's chat and Noah realized that Kris once did a video with Linus. Then proceeded to asked Kris, to hook him up with Linus, while he was still on stream instead of professionally in a video. This is after he talked mad sh*t about Kris because Kris got picked for a panel spot that Noah thought Kris didn't deserve to be in. Then there is Noah's whole comment that Artesian Builds is the pc company that Linus would've made if LMG was a pc company. Noah's exact words you can see a clip of it at the end of KristoferYee's video "How this gaming pc company destroyed itself in one night." Basically dude is arrogant to the 9th degree.

@@Athasin GamersNexus did a video on Artesian, then were in talks with Noah to do an interview to get his side. This was before it came out he fired everyone, BTW. Noah was extremely unprofessional in the emails, treating it more like an opportunity to hang out (he said he was a fan of the show) then an interview about _his company being in tatters_ , even when they explicitly said they wanted to keep it professional. Then it came out Noah had fired everyone, and I think it was when they confronted him with that he literally said "guess that gives you more content :(", frowny face and all. Nexus ultimately didn't go through with the interview because they felt it wouldn't be productive for anyone. They DID reach out to former employees of the east coast branch, who they found out use to work very close to them, and offered to help them find work (like their former employer should've done...) Fucking wild.

Most content creators in the tech sphere would love to be featured on LTT because this is one of the largest Tech channels, especially for people building a company around their content because in the tech industry Linus has been the most successful at doing such things

Damn......no senzu bean is gonna heal that burn right there

@@confusingfate gonna need the dragon balls for that…

@@ElZamo92 The dragon balls don't have enough power. We're gonna need the super dragon balls

Noah said famous? No hold my beer. I am jumping right over famous to infamous.

I NEED TO LIKE THIS COMMENT 99 TIMES BECAUSE IT IS SO DAMN ACCURATE

I hate how these things are so common in todays world, forgive me idk the companies history or who started what or anything but as a business owner myself looking at this all i see is another idiotic self-entitled wealthy california boy who doesn't deal /w financial struggles like everyday ppl, the guy actually just changes his fucking name like he needs a new alt in a video game, talks to his lawyers and off his shameless ass goes. Im sure you were all great ppl that worked hard to work the kind of job you've always wanted to do. if ya ever see this id like to know how close of a guess this was

Hey, now, be fair. I bet Noah Katz will walk away with a healthy sum of money regardless.

@@Demmrir to be unfair*

@@Demmrir Probably not. It sounds like he comingled his personal finances with the company finances, which will prevent him from being protected from creditors of the company.

Hope they eat their old boss

@@alex0589 nah, they'll get tummy ache

100% and everybody can see it too. Of course, he will just get a new "everybody" who agrees differently though and not change a damn thing about his life. His now ex-employees will move on and learn in future, never trust a guy like that. Ever.

When the company was built using your parents money. You can't see the value once it's gone of it's not from your own sweat.

@Digby Dooright He is and he has literally already called his Mom and Dad to come bail him out. He's THAT guy.

@Digby Dooright Wearing a Starlord Jacket ? Absolutely.

@@martinqizeaq that’s exactly the vibe I’ve been getting from this thing. Rich spoiled brat who only cares for himself.

I think it's in the first chapter, clearly an amateur CEO.

I think twitch streamers deserve to be insulted.

@@shamancredible8632 depends on who they are... But your own customers? That's just lmfao

Oh come now, Sun Tzu didn't know Twitch existed, he didn't have any internet service to visit the site!

The ancient lessons are the 'rightest'

LMG would probably hire a few of them as a backup, and get the rest of them jobs elsewhere thanks to memory express etc.

They're not coming back. 2million divided by 50 employees is 40k. That's if all their parts were free, the space was free and taxes didn't exist. Obvious money laundering is obvious

@@Fallen7Pie Well, no. Im obviously not saying that anything can be used from the former company, A, its not theirs, B, even if it once was its now not even the property of the former rightful owner. And neither am I saying that that all 50 employees should jump on this, you would be utterly insane if you started up a new business on day one with that headcount. Hell, Im nervous of my nine people and Ive been in business for years. What Im saying is that if (made up Artesian employee Tina) decided to start up a new Twitch channel and was loud about it, Im sure it would get enough tracktion that James, Tony and Anna also could jump on and still have a success story almost guaranteed in the aftermatch of the Artesian scandal.

@@-Rambi- True a few of the employees that didn't know what was going on could springboard off all this publicity and start something legitimately cool. I get the feeling we're going to being hearing about some of them on legal focused you tube channels soon though

Flipping the bird = Middle finger, no?

Jay seems like a cool dude

It’s things like this and the stuff he does for the community that makes me SO happy I’m a J2C fan. I watch the stuff he does I’m not even super into just because he really does care about legitimate results

ok

He got more money in views than the PC build. Would have been better if he had just built it without making a big deal.

I mean it pays for itself in publicity lol. I'm not saying thats where his head was at but its worth pointing out.

Noah had a CMO behind him too who was the same level as he and the COO but because Noah fell out with the COO he ignored the CMO too so because he couldn’t take our advice he just kinda sank

@@AbiiHelianthus I used to build gaming rigs in the 90's when profits were actually good. What kind of prices did you guys have to sell so many machines ? I mean did you give great warranties but cost was higher than normal, or bare bones service but price was good ? The problem I have found with gamers ( 2010's up ) is they all know the costs of parts and don't want to pay much extra for assembly and warranty. I closed my retail store in 2000 becasue I refused to be part of the race to the cost bottom. I am not sure how people do making 10% profit now. I gave 2 year warranties parts and labor but profit was the standard 30% of the time and my cost thru my wholesaler was cheaper than having to buy thru Amazon or Newegg now. I am just curious how you marketed your machines. I live in South Carolina.

@@batsonelectronics They gave fantastic(now moot) warranty with high end pricing.

Nah, this was a 100% speedrun

AKA either a narcissist or a sociopath

Has* He had* a company

So did the CEEO, it wasn't one persons fuck up - it was a group-think fuck up and everybody who had subscribed to that should share the blame. Of course they won't, they're all so innocent it was all ..... somebody elses fault!

That would be putting it mildly, he chose the destruction of his company over the slightest self reflection. Straight up 🤡

@@DailyCorvid ceeo???? Tf?

The guys absolutely braindead how he even got this far in life is a mystery. There are an endless multitude of ways and times that this could have been saved or avoided. But with these guys in charge? You're always on the ropes trying to avoid the KO, and it can't last. Good riddance to a trash leadership, the employees will learn and go off and work for better people.

@@DailyCorvid I heard he has wealthy parents to hold his hands for him, maybe that's why

Yup, sometimes you just gotta eat that humble pie.

@@DailyCorvid those kinds of assholes are much more common than people think, they're everywhere, what's special about this particular douche is that his end goal was becoming twitch famous, maybe even internet celebrity in his mind. Other shitheads like him goals are money, power and such with no exposure like that so they commit this fuck ups and nobody finds out until they're being taken to prison for sexual misconduct and such.

We tried to get him to say sorry. A proper apology. We wanted to know what was being said before it was said too. Because we didn’t want any rubbish apology going out. He didn’t do this 😂😂

They didn't shut down voluntarily. They lied in their email. I looked into it. Thousands of Twitch and Twitter users reported them for sweepstakes fraud. This got the attention of the feds and the state of California. Their businesses were suspended by California and their licenses were forfeited to the federal government for tax evasion. There's a real possibility that Noah could end up in a criminal trial with some possible prison time. He got all the wrong attention.

@@mckrackin5324 Best news I've heard on this so far. Hey Noah, enjoy your new celebrity status.

a lot of companies have started doing this, it's because people have no filter when posting on their socials and have their privacy settings set to basically " no privacy" so employers can use your fb/twitter/insta to se if you are talking shit about the business or doing leisure stuff on your sick days and reprimand you for it and prune the work force so it's only loyal workers.

Noah made everyone sign at will contracts so he could fire people whenever he wanted so even before signing a contract etc he will have used this same motive. Sorry he did this!

No it requires over spending lol. It’s clear their revenue was dog shit since they folded so quickly

@@Alex-zi1nb revenue was pretty good till Noah started spending on unnecessary things. Then when he did this everyone wanted refunds. He only did this because he didn’t want anyone else in charge. He’d rather screw over the many than step down

Or just a lot of tax evasion and shady business loans

He technically said at the start of the stream that the rules had changed BUT he didn’t tell anyone else this so I had been telling everyone it was panel only. As that’s what’s I knew the rules to be. But looking back at like 2 hours 18 when he actually came on stream he said the rules were changed. (I don’t condone what he did and he was told that before we were let go.) I’m also the one who gave him the list of names. So if he told me these changes I could have organised a list for him to use. It’s his own fault for not telling his staff anything.

@@AbiiHelianthus I think going on to insult and ridicule the person who got drawn is way worse than the surprise rule change from a PR standpoint, even if not illegal.

@@randomuser6110 oh I totally agree 100000% I told him this as did many others. Live and after. I was just commenting on what was said in the previous comment. But I totally agree. Small streamers are just as amazing as large streamers. There’s no question about it. We all start somewhere and Artesian Builds was small at one point. Evidently he forgot where he came from trying to be famous.

@@AbiiHelianthus Not to mention Noah Katz buying view bots and sub bots.

@@AbiiHelianthus I'm sorry for what you're probably going through now as a result of Noah's poor management, if you're an employee. I hope you land on your feet.

Apparently the Owner did when he built all the RMA'd PC's for Influencers and so on.

Yep, according to Gamer's Nexus

All the builds that were hit with RMAs were ones made by the company owner. When the employees did the builds, the builds were fine.

@@johnmidwest5650 I thought it was KristoferYee that broke that one, could be wrong though

Yes

And he cancel the interview he was gonna do

simp

Noah Katz was going to make sushi, though.

It sorta did. Thousands of Twitch and Twitter users reported the company for sweepstakes fraud. This got the attention of the feds and the state of California. Three days later, the business was suspended by California and their licenses were forfeited to the federal government for tax evasion. They might have failed eventually anyway but this called attention to them. Noah is actually facing possible prison time now. That would be hilarious. lol

@@mckrackin5324 Inmate: "So, what are you in for?" Noah: "Lottery Fraud. I didn't give someone a computer they won in a contest because I didn't think they deserved it." Inmate: "I see."

My thoughts exactly, they must have be running very lean for a week of disruption to take them out. Poor management from the CEO level I imagine

No. They still would have been fine especially since most of their builds were done out east. This draw wouldn’t have killed an otherwise healthy business

@@Alex-zi1nb They're shut down by the government for tax evasion. It makes no difference where the PCs are built. The feds pulled their licenses. The company is suspended. Hell, someone may even go to prison.

You probably already know the following things, but for all people who are in the same situation: When filing the chargeback, don't say the transaction was "fraudulent", that will get the chargeback denied immediately, because it technically was authorized by you. You have to say that you ordered [product name] on [date] and that you haven't and won't receive the product you ordered because the company ceased all operations. It's best to be as detailed as possible when doing chargebacks.

@@averagegeek3957 THIS EXACTLY! This reply should be it's own thread so more can see this post as to know what to do when filing a chargeback.

@@bryce1rocks Thanks, I posted it as a standalone reply now. Might get drowned in all the other comments though. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tNZsX-y0-lo.html&lc=UgxR25v20r7wBJosTJZ4AaABAg

Too bad it's not the kind he wanted lol

If we do come back ever. It would be without him. And the east coast are very vigilant with their builds. So I doubt the issues would arise as 95% were west coast based

I imagine when *he* pops back up, it looks like the company is legally gone at this point and I doubt any of his employees would apply for a new one he could set up.

@@randomuser6110 nobody that worked for him would go back to a company ran by him. Everyone put up with him and his crappy attitude and now we don’t have to anymore it’s easier to stay out. I think the company would only come back if he wasn’t involved and the good people we had could continue good, honest business. But obviously it’s not easy to start a company. So likely that won’t happen. Would have been easier if he just left and let us run the company.

The etsy shop used to sell mining rigs was rebranded Artesian Tech for a few days and is currently labeled ABMining. So there's two names to keep an eye on.

There are several videos looking at the companies tax filings and they've been in some deep water for awhile, allegedly Noah was asking employees for loans and trying to offload the company debt onto the employees, as he drove around in a $150,000 BMW of course.

I mean "disgustingly immature" is Katzes shtick, isnt it.

@@logsupermulti3921 yeah brandishing that Beemer did not help at all

GamersNexus has done a follow up video. Apparently the company was burning through cash. Their west cost operation was really inefficient.

@@FeelsGouda Immature doesn't even come close to a comparison, he's a straight up sociopath

it was a speedrun

He wasent untill the stream, and he got found guilty of tax fraud already, so youre kinda slow on info

I hope you got it for less than the first time :D

thats actually not even unusual. Not unusual for it to get turned in completely too, then you would have had to negotiate with the owner.

Don't some auctions actually have a minimum bid requirement? so if no bid surpasses the minimum required amount of money it just doesn't go.

@@Destilight then just set the starting bid to that amount... why tf start it below if you're just gonna do that?

@@joshuacheung6518 sometimes that number is secret and you won't find out til after the auction that you in fact didn't bid enough

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Is that you and you're trying to gain popular support for what you did there? I wonder how anybody would know those particular details without having been involved personally.... If so that's not the right tactic buddy, even if that's correct. It's all a bit sour-grapes isn't it, you'd be better served doing a RU-vid video and making these points in person. Assuming your looking to take a piece of it for yourself, I can't see why else you would say this particular thing, and know those details. Sneaky behind the scenes statements are the sort of thing that DEFINITELY will bring down a company if it's vulnerable and that's why you will do better to take a different approach. Just my two cents bro.

@@DailyCorvid they didn't cite any specific details whatsoever, I can't see any reason to assume the original commenter was an inside person, let alone the CEO of the company lmao

@@DailyCorvid That's a lot of assuming you're doing there buddy, I think the original commenter is talking about the business model being bad (giving away computers by the dozens) and not having their licenses renewed to operate. Calm down lol

Do you man COO?

Lol corvid are you the disgraced ceo?

Without the livestream, he would probably still running the company to the ground with most people never finding out.

@@ssanc6 I feel bad for people in any company that genuinely love their job, their coworkers, and are good at what they do, and ate under the leadership of someone with their head so far up their own ass that they couldn't find their way out if they tried.

More like a "You died" souls moment than a Speedrun. Looks like Noah backseat-gamed the COO the whole time and when it was his turn to play he tried one boss and failed catastrophically.

With 50 employees, I doubt he was drowning in debt. He might be now though.

@Daniel Davis They were getting investigated for tax related things if I'm not mistaken. Noah did a lot of fucked up shit that shot the company in the foot.

Except his cash flow was obviously shit. 50 employees he couldn’t afford

@@PiousSlayer tbf i think it was late payments of taxes. In the meaning that this is something that happens quite often and states have regulations for it. So just pay the fine and the necessary taxes and you are gucci again with the state. Business operation tax or something. So it is NOT something that would make your whole company illegal. Its often called tax fraud, however its not but it is similiar. Also this would not be a reason to shut down the company.

Most the debt was investments from his family ..and sadly they way they did it his family was at the head of the line for creditors so most the money recovered from auctioning off stuff went to his family not suppliers and landlord and employees

exactly this is the latest failed debt ridden shell of a company that this guys gutted out. He's a serial conman, which is why he didn't even make an effort to save AB - infact a case could be put forward that he planned this in order to write off debts, and has already started a new company with half the same staff in a totally illegal manner. GNSteve will cover it in 3 months time I reckon, he's always first to these stories.

"Strangest decisions" Wdym? Did the guy lose it?

He didnt just shut things down tho, tax wasnt paid, the company was basically neglected because he wanted to be twitch famous instead.

@@Zesserie And everyone else gets to suffer for it.

Yes, Star Lord was clearly running the company straight into the ground. He didn't have a clue how to handle the crisis he created all by himself, which caused the crash to be spectacularly stupid. The PR mess could have been survivable by a competently led company on decently firm financial ground, but for that dope with a company already falling apart, it was catastrophic.

Yeah tax fraud had to have been the culprit.

Twitch famous =famous with 9yr olds. I mean just list off the people who got Twitch famous, literally I would rather be drowned in a pool of farts then be like any of them! The worst types of people go there to get adored by other worst people ever lol. Cesspool!

he's famous now with twitch name. now what. is he gonna change his twitch name and then back to live stream to play games. LOL

Yah trying to change the terms mid give aways is highly illegal all he had to do is say okay this is the last give away for these terms from this day on these are the knew terms ....so everyone knew and could decide if they wanted to continue to run banners and what not

That was the whole point, he ran the company like it was a kid selling stolen lunches after 3pm - even though it DID have a leadership triangle and 50 employees (or more if what I hear is to be believed, more like 300 including contractors, leavers and part timers). So there were safeguards in place but NONE of them were adhered to - not a single person at that company did a damn thing and so that's how it happened. It wasn't just one dude failing, it was the entirety of upper level management including the employees at top level.

oh wow i didn't realize that was them. that was a good looking case. somewhat designed by Evan and Katelyn i think ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3-tHgu1si9I.html

Let me tell you the beautiful story of NCIX...

They'd honestly not be able to make a decent prebuilt PC that any of us could afford. It costs a fortune to be able to compete at that level of discount, I am talking you need an opening stock of a million units bought in cash to get the cost down enough. That's the reason they've not already done it if you ask me, the cost versus the return isn't worth it at the price level people can afford. It would triple the system price for what? Having been built in a place owned by Linus? Because he won't be doing it himself unless it's MORE than triple price profit because why would be now he's super rich and popular on here? Economies have to make sense and unfortunately the economy for budget computing is shockingly bad at the moment, before you consider the impact cost of a new GPU! I could outcompete Linus in that area because I have zero costs and he could never go back to that.

they make good money selling merch and making videos and it would be tough because they have system integrators as sponsors

Why would other system integrators sponsor ltt if ltt was a competitor lol

To be ALLOWED in to the giveaway you had to plug Artesian on both your livestream AND twitch banner prior to the start of the livestream. She did so, and got told "Well, you're such a small streamer that you've contributed absolutely nothing to us. No PC for you."

@@uzweilousthefan6801 Which is incredibly illegal as there was no minimum audience stated whatsoever, meaning that she was arbitrarily denied the rightfully drawn prize, which was drawn LIVE ON STREAM, because CEO asshat decided to change the rules on a whim because they didn't feel such a small streamer deserved it.