Arthars loved FFXIV's 1.0 

I define pay 2 win as just paying to reach or get closer to a win state. This varies on the person because their win state is subjective. Developers and players won't like that because it means everything from utility to gold to cosmetics is pay 2 win. Though Arthars does agree buying gold is a pay-to-win for some, his issue is whether it impacts the most challenging content. The problem is that most people will never do the most demanding content, nor should we value the validity of content based on the challenge. There is also the fact that he thinks pay 2 win is subjective when it is objective, pay 2 win isn't a personal experience it's an objective outcome of developers tying the game to the real-life economy via your card. This mentality in a social game doesn't fly when it affects others in the social sphere of the game who now feel the content is compromised and that they wasted their time and their achievements are meaningless because someone could just have paid for it because they worked an extra shift at McDonald's.

This definition applies to retainers, dyes, cosmetics, mounts etc etc.

@@MrCarlWax None of these make it easier to do content, (with the exception of boosts + story skips) so the majority of people don't care in ff14 compared to lost ark or wow, in which you can either directly buy materials for gear upgrades in the case of lost ark, or you indirectly buy gear and carries by buying gold in the case of WoW.

Yeah it seems like eastern players don't value their time as much. And western players will become upset if you waste their time. His comments also come off as eastern players internalize their misfortune in the games as their own fault. And western players are more quick to blame the developers for the systems in the game. Imo, Arthas is like 9 years older than I am. So you think he would remember a time when gaming did not have the P2W option at all.

@@animesoul167 all gamers are dopamine addicts, all games are a waste of time. western players are just lazier, simple as that

Pretty sure he said it isnt p2w to his perspective because the way he enjoys and plays the game. Although i understand being less compared to other more p2w games doesn't matter much lol

@@p0tastic595 He has fun with it but he also has the time to play the game, he is a streamer. He can pretty much catch-up to whales just by playing because he spends the time to do so. The problem with p2w comes when other people do not have the time to play and cannot afford to gear up as fast with the amount of time they spend playing the game.

​@@Paraguai123oh yea i totally agree, among the worst one i played was bdo, even the whale loses too I'm also not sharing his opinion, saying not p2w is a reach, and when he said not punishing cus you can put time to grind it's already a punishment for people that can't put the same time

​@@p0tastic595even people who played 12 alts 12hours+ couldn't compete with whales, let alone whales also have a lot of time to grind. It's still game based off of monetization system and not other way around which already says a lot

​@Paraguai123 I think he was also pointing out the difference between eastern and western culture. Take pro esports players for example. For both western and Eastern players, it is their job to play the video game. The western player will play for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, and have a healthy work life balance. They'll exercise, have a girlfriend, etc. Eastern pro players are playing 10 to 14 hours every day. And will give up having that work life balance. Western pros have longer careers, and Eastern pros have greater success then fizzle out. Someone like Faker is the exception not the rule for his long career

You have no clue how WoW works do you?

@@lunaticmode638 you can't buy PoE gear and sell wowtoken anymore?

ikr. im one to agree with him alot of the time but here, while i agree on some things but god almighty overall, this is a pretty sh** take from him. and this is coming from some1 who played wow for 14 yrs b4 dipping out completely. as much as i wish for the best for not only wow but its players, as far as playing that game again, fk that completely. blizzard hasn't proven to me yet to deliver the quality game it once was. yes it got better in SOME areas, but still has massive holes/problems elsewhere i can't overlook to even remotely play it again. doesn't mean i simp for 14 either since it has its own problems at times, but its not even in the same ballpark as wow's for me.

100% true. I really hate when people spout around "p2w this, and that" when they more than likely haven't even tried the game out for themselves and just echoing what they heard Asmon said. Acting like the games force you to put in your CC details before you can even kill a mob lol and yet they'll gladly pay $50+ per month to XIV for mediocrity(let's not forget those mods that have a subscription fee too lol, and this is also assuming they're paying for max amount of retainers too). While yes there are elements of those games that allow you to progress faster, but they are completely optional. BDO is the best example&choice when it comes to kmmos as there is no endgame besides what you make of it truly. You wanna be a Merchant Lord, you can. Wanna just Hunt, you can. Wanna focus on being a Sailor, you can. You wanna be a Musician, you can. There is no level cap. Seasons are year round now which allows you to get up to soft cap in pve gear so you can start doing bosses, etc., with-in a weeks time frame of playing casually. And get this, there's Depth to it all too and the best part is that is all achievable without spending a penny. Ig my point is, people should really try games out for themselves(actually giving it a chance instead of rage quitting soon as they see a store) or repeating what their fav streamer said. Remain cautious yes. But don't go writing off a potentially great gaming experience that can be achieved completely free outside of purchasing the game(s). What's funny to is some of those "p2w" games are exactly what a lot of those complaining XIV is lacking are looking for lol They're grindy, they have long lasting content, there's depth to them via horizontal & vertical progression, a sense of community(BDO I'll say rn has probably the worst... If you're a sissy that can't laugh at absurd anarchy... Because it's just that absurd anarchy lol). But I understand the want for all that to be in XIV tho....but unfortunately XIV has been hijacked by coomers & normies that have no clue what a MMORPG even is, nor care to respect that.

Also how officially it is done. Square doesn't support, endorse, or funds the third party mods at all, while games like Lost Ark or WoW (i.e. WoW Token) for example it is a built-in feature to grind or pay for in-game currency. The FFXIV store, though annoying, doesn't increase your power level or progression outside of the time savers in the dorms of a level and story skip (which is often frowned upon) and the motorbike mount that increases your mount speed which becomes irrelevant once flying is unlocked.

@@coolyeh1017 `Are you aware that retainers print gil, and the boosts come with gil too? You can OFFICIALLY buy gil in FFXIV, thats what you fanboys fail to understand

fair enough I keep forgetting about the gil from the boosts.@@lunaticmode638