@jim6186 what defined the Cs80 ? (Except being polyphonic) An expressive keyboard, presets, and unusual synthesis approach with playability and musicality in mind When people discover Cs80 for the 1st time, I can see 2 categories - pianists who try to play music with it (without thinking about synthesis and programming) - sound designers who watch the front panel and think "it's not as powerful as expected" followed by "sounds like shit" It really was an instrument thought to be played, despite it's possible to make some nice sound design with it I've not tried the code 8 yet, but I'm not sure it's been built with the same goal in mind Polybrute 12, well, it's a modern compromise with a very expensive keyboard and powerful synthesis If musicians don't want to waste their time programming, they have access to tons of presets directly playable (and that was my goal as a sound designer, thinking each preset as a playable instrument)
@@Michael_Geyre what defined the cs80? Well it's sound of course. My point is that the se code can be had with cs80 style filters making it the modern day closest equivalent to the cs80.
@jim6186 I disagree and things are not that easy All Cs synths share same vcf Ig, but most of them sound different Compare as example cs70m to a cs80 if you have the opportunity
beautiful playing, very nice....and so much better to hear what a synth can really do vs. the usual unimaginative seq/arp patterns repeating forever, thank you..
Thanks Arpeggio offers a nice feature, with possibility to use touch response to modulate whatever you want (let's say Attack or decay, as example) So, it's very easy to make lively arpeggios very easily
@@Michael_Geyre Hi, can it be achieved with the Hydrasynth too? If I remeber it right, the Hydra allows you to modulate the arp settings with the poly aftertouch
Que c'est beau, une pure Merveille le Polybrute 12 !!! Je tiens à te féliciter Michael pour ta superbe démonstration, je suis totalement sous le charme de ce synthétiseur ❤️ Bravo Arturia et bravo à toi !
Really good synth, but i Just wish it had Sequential or Oberhiem filters instead. I'm not a fan of Arturias Steiner parker filter. A Cem filter would have been a nice addition over the original PB too.
Matter of tastes I don't like much prophets (except old ssm models, or eventually double keyboard prophet 10) The combination of steiner and ladder vcf makes a very versatile instrument I can understand people who don't like steiner vcf, well, it has to be used for what it does well 🤷🏻♂️
@@Michael_Geyre Yes I can't say I'm a fan of Arturias Steiner Parker filter. I much prefer the filters of Oberhiem and sequential. I'd love to see this synth with Rev 2 filters for example over Steiner parker filters. Anyways you did a good job with it, nice work.
@maydaygoingdown5602 thanks 😊 What interests you the most ? Matrix mod or expressiveness? I've tried to use Osmose keyboard to play my matrix 12, interesting results but touch vibrato does not seem to be a good feature for that purpose (well, in my opinion) It might be possible to filter midi or disable it, just tried quickly Anyway, I think we're living a very interesting period, from a synth point of view
Les gens confondent le son et l'expressivité, parce que ça sonne pas du tout comme un CS80! La confusion vient aussi du fait que ce synthé est à l'aise dans les textures, les sweep, etc... nettement plus que dans les basses et les leads. Je ne suis pas fan du grain arturia mais tu as réussi à faire des sons qui me "parlent" musicalement parlant. Donc un grand bravo à toi😉
Salut Mickael. Bravo pour ta démo. Je suis franchement tenté par ce nouveau PB12, J'ai pas de doute sur l'expressivité mais je me pose la question du clavier. Est il aussi mou que celui de l'Osmose ? J'ai été très perturbé par la sensation du touché au point de le revendre. Le clavier de l'Osmose n'est pas fait pour les petits nerveux comme moi. c'est trop sensible. J'ai peur de retrouver cette même sensation sur ce PB12, C'est difficile de se faire une idée sans pouvoir l'essayer. L'expressivité est mise en avant, je ne vois que des gens qui jouent soft pour mettre en valeur ce clavier mais pour moi ce n'et pas l'atout majeur du polybrute. J'aimerai voir ce que donne un tel clavier sur un jeu rapide ou agressif. Est'ce que l'expressivité est aussi intérréssante dans ces conditions ?
@@Michael_Geyre man this synthesizer will go down as one of the greatest analog synthesizers of all time and brother.. the fact that you played a roll on this is amazing
@synthsamuraiproductions thanks 😊 I feel lucky to have had the opportunity to be part of the birth of such an instrument (and its smaller brother the polybrute) I'm like most people watching these kinds of videos, a synth geek that has spent his life watching/testing/(eventually) buying too many synths Giving feedbacks and doing sound design for a synth seemed an unreachable dream, so doing it on such a great instrument....just wow ...
@cores303 I've started using it for a much longer time (as I've been one of the original factory sound designer) I even had a prototype long ago I keep thinking it is a fantastic instrument You can make thick layers (like the original polybrute, but with 6 voices polyphony, so, much more usable) Add to the the expression, it makes a great instrument When I see some vintage keyboards very high prices on 2nd hand market, I believe people don't realise how lucky they are to have potentially access to such beautiful instruments (like that Pb12, as example)
@@janpieternieman5295 You're asking if the most advanced keyed in the history of synths, which took 2 years to develop in-house, and has 3 axis, velocity, after pressure, channel and poly aftertouch, and can sense 1mm of key initiation, can match a Jupiter-X keyboard. And I'm the troll? It's like asking if an upright piano can match a 9 foot Steinway Model D concert grand.
Un contrôleur moins vivant ? Excusez-moi, mais en ce qui me concerne, ça n'a pas vraiment de sens Ensuite "les Cs" franchement (et pour les avoir eus) hormis le 80, les claviers sont vraiment pas terribles Alors, que le rendu semble moins vivant, à la limite, si vous voulez Le toucher du Cs80 est bien plus lourd que celui du Pb12, et permet plus facilement d'expression sur l'aftertouch (encore qu'avec un peu d'entraînement ...) Ensuite, le Pb12 est nettement plus stable que le Cs80, il faut donc recréer l'instabilité artificiellement Je trouve les résultats plutôt convaincants et vous avez parfaitement le droit de ne pas être de mon avis En ce qui me concernent, j'ai les 2, comme ça c'est réglé Bonne musique à vous
@@Marc_Angel c'est le même avec 12 voix ET un clavier expressif (ce qui est un atout non négligeable) Dit comme ça, ça semble peu spectaculaire mais en y regardant bien, c'étaient à peu près les mêmes différences entre un Cs60 et un Cs80 La plus grande polyphonie permet de faire des layers très riches sans problèmes de polyphonie, et le clavier expressif permet des choses un peu à la manière d'un Osmose, mais sur un synthé analogique très puissant et avec un super son
I can do better i swear by my life. And you surely know you can better also. But if you share a video with the whole world i even haven't to be able to do better. I have the polybrute and thinking about switching. First what is going on with the recording? Do you have the volume knob quite to max? There also seems to be some noises in the patches how you play it. Other than that you are one of many people who feeling like sharing your output with the world. How long do you have the polybrute 12? When you listen to this demo do have the feeling it is worth sharing it? Factory presets. You don't know how to handle the keyboard yet. That is clearly to hear. Is that important for you to share you little demo with the world real quick? What is it attention seeking or conformation seeking? Or do you think you do us a favour? A present to the world? Do you show us anything here what we can't hear in all the other demos. It seems like you want to make yourself important? If not whats the reason for that? Even the big ones often think they can make anything. It is almost an insult to ask me if i should make it better. Do you think you can make it not better? If so i am sorry for you. There is nothing new. Played not well. Something about the recording. Why don't you take you time? Why don't you try to master the keyboard first? Why not making a video where you show us completely raw patches you made. That would be something with value. Something people can get new audio information from. Or why you don't show us any sweetspots or interessting behaviour with the new keyboard or with the synthesis or both. Ir maybe you can load polybrute 6 patches and show to let people hear if there us a difference between both. I say no but i am not sure. People are interested in that. That would be value. Uique sweetspots, raw stuff, polybrute 6 patches, good performances also. You just play around some patches you randomly found for a few minutes done. I always think this is lazy trash when people do it. What is the next video. Another 3 factory patches? To pretend like this is all what you can do. No, if you weren't so lazy i am sure you can do it way better. You seem to can play a bit. Unique sweetspots can be almost anything. Any kind of patches.transformingpatches into another. Showing unique behaviour which you like in the filter oscillators or whereever. Duopatches. Layer. Effects anything really. A very complex synth that hides a huge amount of spots. I know from the 6. So you can drop your lazy stuff. Something we all heared. Or you can sit down and drop something special, unique, impressing ir something good.
@Michael_Geyre i said its almost an insult to say to me do it better. Of course i can do it better. Way better. And you know you can do it better to. And i am sure you know it. You've tried to drop a video fast. Just a lazy video which give us nothing we haven't seen yet? Rcording seems off. Volume knob at max kind of? Clicks becaue of your playing. You can't handle the keyboard. If you share this with the whole world i can say that i think it is lazy, redundant. Why not take time to show something unique? Why not learn the keyboard? Why not show exciting sweetspots. Why not making a rawdemo. Why not playing p6 patches to show. Because you think you can shit this short video to.the internet one hour after belonging it and then get a lotof props for buying a polybrute 12 and playing some note. Who can't do it better? You know you can do it better. This video just exists because you seek attention and conformation. Or is that your gift to the world? You did it like all these clones of clones of clones. If you really think that this is impressing. That you really did something good or great that has to be cognitive dissonance. So please give yourself some time or do something interesting or practice. That seems ro be the typical behaviour. Pressing some keys and feeling like a genius. "Do it better..." That was a self diss. Who can't?
I have a feeling this synth will go down in synth history as the most overhyped, most overpriced, ugliest-sounding ever and ugliest-looking ever synth of all times. Unless Arturia releases something worse than this..
