Brother Jake, may Allah bless and protect you, and increase you in knowledge, and may Allah bring benefit to Islam and the Muslims through you. I must admit that while I was aware of your excellent reputation, I had never taken the time to listen to your videos, lectures, and debates. I’m now starting to do that, and I want to tell you how happy and pleased I am that you are a staunch defender and explainer of the Athari ‘Aqeedah, as confirmed in the Noble Qur’an and authentic Sunnah of Rasool Allah Muhammad ﷺ, and as understood, preserved, and propagated by the Pious and Righteous Salaf of the Ummah. Barak Allah feek, Brother!
Truthfully they tried to keep it respectful, but the simple answer they gave was that ibn taymiyya is not hujja. He can make mistakes as can all scholars and just because he held an opinion, it doesn't mean the entire Muslim Ummah has to follow this opinion.
@@junaidijaz2067Ibn Taymiya lived at a time when Ahlul Bid'ah were rampant (still are) so his refutations naturally dealt with a lot of misguidance. Ibn Taymiya's aqeedah is in line with the Salaf, that's why his works are key for everyone after him.
This is one of the most beautiful things about Islam. Almost any person, no matter how low will stand up to almost anyone no matter how high, if they cause a contradiction that creates a problem with the faith. You do not see this in Christianity, it more resembles a battle for power than one of the faith.
@@lowkey621 Haroun Kanj is a Sheikh (scholar) of the Ash'ari doctrine of 'Aqeedah, while brother Abdulrahman is a student of knowledge (not a scholar) of the Athari doctrine of 'Aqeedah.
President has a 7 year old brain. He has the silliness of a todler As for minhaaji, he just tried to save their backs. The saddest part is that they still dont understand what abdulrahman came up to say in the first place. 😄
I agree that Al Minhaji didn't come off in the best light, truthfully how I understand it is that the majority of the Ummah don't consider Sh Ibn Taymiyya as mujadid al Islam. In respect to him, we could disagree with his opinions. For us his statements are not Hujja like they are for the current day Salafis. So I understand that brother Abdul Rahman tried to voice his opinion, but again he came with the narrative that because Ibn Taymiyya ra. said this... therefore this is the only correct understanding.
@@junaidijaz2067 You missed the whole purpose of Abudurrahman bringing up Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah. He demonstrated that the Aqeedah of Ibn Taymiyyah was in line with the Aqeedah of At-Tabari. He brought up a quote they agreed was correct and then revealed it was from Ibn Taymiyyah's Majmoo' al-Fataawa. They'd already agreed it's correct, yet still argued solely to defend their low opinion of Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah. Haqq is Haqq.
They resort to mockery and insult when cornered. Average reaction of an ashari. Brother Haroon should have stopped them for mocking brother Abdurrahman.
@@Baron8199 أبدأك قبل ميلاد الاشعري اصلا : سعيد ابن المسيب توفي ٩٤ هجري الحسن البصري ١١٠ هجري الاوزاعي ١٥٧ هجري مالك ابن انس ١٧٩ هجري ابن راهويه ٢٣٤ هجري احمد ابن حنبل ٢٤١ احمد ابن سعيد الدارمي جلادكم ٢٥٣ البخاري ٢٥٦ مسلم ٢٦١ ابن ماجه ابو داود الترمذي ومن كبار الفقهاء عند السادة المالكية اذكر ابن ابي زيد القيرواني مالك الصغير وبدون ان ننسا الذهبي وابن قاضي الجبل وابن كثير و الطبري حبر الامة وابن القيم الجززية وغيرهم وفي القرون الاخيرة سالم ابن عدود وابن عثيمين والالباني و المعلمي اليماني وغيرهم . والسلام عليكم يا ابناء افلاطون وارسطاليس
@@Baron8199 الفرقة الوهابية فرقة ضالة لانها تمتلك علماء في قبل ميلاد الاشعري ياللسخف 😂😂😂😂 كون شوخنا اقدم من الاشعري مدح وليس ذم وذكرت لك من هم قبل الاشعي كما ذكرت لك من هم من الالف الاخيرة انت ادعيت الا شيخ لنا غير ابن تيمية فانكشف كذبك شيوخنا موجودون قبل ميلاد الاشعري وبعده وكان هاذا الدين اقامه الاشعري ... هل كان ابو بكر وعثمان وعمر على ظلالة ياترى ؟ وهل كانو يعرفون الجوهر والعرض ودليل المقولات الاربع و الحدوث والامكان حقا بالتأكيد لا ففطرتهم سليمة وهم على الجادة خلاف مبتدعة الاشعرية احباب القبور .
When people are not honest and can’t even admit their mistakes you know you are misguided and that is just embarrassing. ….”even if a kafir comes with alhaq the just thing to do is 2 acknowledge”….subhana’allah
قبحهم الله حتى في الغرب يتترسون بولي الأمر هناك كما تترسوا به من قبل لسجن كل من يعارض عقيدتهم كما فعلوا بشيخ الإسلام وابن ابي العز الحنفي وغيرهم كثير، وسلفهم في ذلك المعتزلة.
The translated words of Hujjat al-Islam, Imam al-Ghazali: "We attest that He is a hearer and a see-er. He hears and sees and no audible thing, however faint, is beyond His hearing, and no visible thing, however minute, is hidden from His sight. Distance does not prevent His hearing and darkness does not obstruct His seeing. He sees without eyes and hears without ears; just as He perceives without a brain, and seizes without a hand, and creates without an instrument, since His attributes do not resemble the attributes of created things, just as His essence does not resemble the essence of created things."
@@mohammedhanif6780 Yes obviously I need a mechanism whether it's moving my finger or maybe something like a telepathic mechanism in the future. God on the other hand doesn't need a mechanism to scroll down, just "Be and it's" eh? He doesn't need to move a finger to scroll down.
I think we should take a step back and read from the original sources of the Asharis and Maatureediyyah and the Atharis and the books of ibn Taymiyyah. So far I understand all are within Ahlus Sunnah. The best way is to read for example the Sanoosiyyah series and the refutations upon Sh Safar al-Hawaalis book on Asharis like the 2 part refutation by Sh Salaah al-Idlibi and Sh Muhammed Saleh al-Gharsi. Read also the books of Sh Saif al-Asri and Sh Abdul-Fattah al-Yaafi’ee and Saeed Mamdooh and others. Also Abdullah al-Ujairi. We need to take a step back and read a lot then research and analyse. It’s your WAAJIB! All of you in the debate and the students of knowledge who are serious on these topics.
Your comment assumes we have the positions we do due to ignorance on our part. It's actually the opposite. We know they aren't from ASWJ because we know what they believe.
@@JakeBrancatella did we read the refutations upon Sh Safar al-Hawaii’s book on the Asharis? Like the 2 parts of Sh Salaah al-Idlibi and Sh Muhammed Saleh al-Gharsi? Did we read the 5 book series by Imam as-Sunoosi? Did we read the Athari/Hanbali Aqeedah books? Did we read the big commentary of Sh Saeed Fodeh on Aqeedah Tahawiyyah? Did we read Sharh al-Mawaaqif? Did we read the refutation of Imam Subki on the Nooniyyah of Imam ibnul Qayyum? Did we read the books of Sh Saif al-Asri like Al-Qawl at-Tamaam and Bid’ah and Muqaddimaat? The books and researches of Sh Abdul-Fattah al-Yaafi’er? I’m saying we need to understand inside out from their own sources properly first. I wasted 25 years not doing this but trusted and relied upon only refutations within the Salafis when they quoted the Asharis.
@@BeObjectiveBeHumble You can start with this and then tell me if I am misrepresenting them. www.academia.edu/121022345/Asharism_The_Creed_of_the_Ummah
@@JakeBrancatella Jzkl for this. I enjoyed it and found it very interesting. What conclusions can we draw from all this? That there’s 4 Madhabs in Aqeedah like Sh Taqi Uthmani mentioned? And these are matters of Ijtihaad? That the majority of the scholars past 800 years have been Asharis/Maatureedi or Hanbali/Athari upon Tafweedh? That the general Muslim folk have always been inline with the Athariyyah/Taymi way of Ith’baat/Affirmation in a way that befits Allah and with Tanzeeh too? Could you mention more books in English and Arabic that discuss this? Jzkl for this eye opener
@@BeObjectiveBeHumble There are many questions in you comment. I'll respond to just one of them for now. It's not merely the general Muslim laity that have be inline with Ibn Taymiyyah's positions. The majority of ahlul hadith and Hanbalis were too. Please see my paper here where I demonstrate that the most controversial and fundamental difference between Atharis and Ash'aris was held by the early muhadithun including Imam al-Bukhari. See here: www.academia.edu/115368939/The_God_of_Aristotle_is_Not_the_God_of_Abraham
@@MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kndon't backbite other Muslims. He wouldn't like that you compare him to that. Obviously you are mocking him, be careful what you say on the internet too, Allah is watching you. You may not agree with him, leave it as that.
The adab displayed by some of these brothers is shocking. Who is this President fella coming out from nowhere? The Manhaaji fella was very disruptive as well.
If Allah is above the throne, and descends every time at night. Is Allah descending every time while being above the throne, isn't this a logical contradiction? One being cannot be at two places fully at the same time. That's like Muslims laughing at Christians for saying God is to persons fully with a different mind at the same time, as in having two authors that fully authored the book at the same time. Which is illogical.
@@ezekielthevizier As if Islamic believe have to be logical. Or is isra Wal miaraj also not logical so you have deny it like ke Abu Jahl since it's illogical or it's logical.
