Just reground a gouge to the 40/40 bevel and, for the first time since I started turning about two years ago, I managed that continual cut from base to rim. Who'd have thought?? My eternal gratitude to Ashley Harwood. She is an amazing turner! I would certainly attend some of her classes if my local bus service wasn't so awful. Apparently, I can't get a bus to Charleston... I have to get a bus to Cheltenham and from there to Heathrow airport and then get a flight to Charleston SC. Thank God for RU-vid!
Thankyou Ashley for explaining what I have been doing instinctively for years, without really thinking into what was going on. Bernard (Cheshire, England).
Every time I watch one of these videos, I realize something else I’m doing wrong, which you would think would be discouraging but it’s not at all. For example. I’m new to wood lathing. I’ve made several dozen pieces so far , nothing to brag about of course, but realized that I had been doing something extremely dangerous the ENTIRE TIME. I bought a relatively inexpensive gouge set and never got a bowl gouge in the set. So in short. I’ve been making bowls using spindle scrapers! I’m fortunate to still have my fingers and an intact throat.
If it’s actually a spindle scraper with a tang then you are lucky. If it’s a bowl scraper your fine. That’s a great beginner bowl “gouge”. I turned my first bunch of bowls with a scraper. My friend teaches bowl turning classes and they do everything with a scraper.
Nice vid Paul! Glad you were able to work with Ashley and provide some tips and insight to us not so lucky as you;) cheers and keep the awesome vids coming!
Thanks Chris! This was such a fun trip and Ashley was a great sport about doing the lesson, performing the one handed trick for the video, and hosting George and I for a fantastic time in SC. I appreciate your feedback and encouragement, sir.
Thanks for this video Paul. I've been using Ashley's tools, grind and techniques. When I use the push cut on the outside of the bowl with wet wood, it's like a dream. Smooth as silk. However, on dry wood it's another story. Lots of chatter and tool marks. Any suggestions?
Dry wood is definitely more challenging. It's more finicky in terms of the speed that you're turning, and the sharpness of the gouge. I find that subtle changes in RPM can make a big difference, and the "sweet spot" is a much more narrow range than when turning green. Another thing for me personally is that I don't have the hand sharpening technique mastered. I can get away with my B- hand grind when turning wet wood, but I haven't tried it yet on dry wood. I believe that I will be better off using a jig grind when it comes to turning dry wood. While the hand positioning is less forgiving, I know that I can get A+ sharpness every time, and to me that will give me a better surface finish than easier technique with a sub-par edge.
Hi Martin, thanks for your comment. 5 years ago today I was actually on a safari in South Africa. What a beautiful country! I don't have have a video on a hollow lampshade, but I like those a lot and hopefully someday I'll add one. As a South African, hopefully you have found my friend Ahron Gropper's RU-vid channel. He's a superb wood turner and resin artist. One of my favorite channels. All best to you, Paul
Hi Doug, thanks for the info. Great to know. I've also since found out how to do it with my wolverine jig. That said, I've so far decided to stick with my Irish grind. I like the ability to scrape with the long wings when needed, and I don't find it difficult to move through a push cut using that grind.
@@ToolMetrix I use the Ellsworth grind 60 deg most of the time due to its flexibility, but there are times the 40/40 gives a cleaner cut, just due to the edge geometry.
I most commonly use essentially a 40/40 with Irish grind wings and find it to be very versatile. I like the straight 40/40 pretty well, just not quite as well as what I’ve settled on. I advocate that people try different grinds and settle on 1 or 2 that work well for them.
Tools!!! Turning tools. Ashley did you use Woodworker's Emporium turning tools? Looks like it. I see Stuart Batty uses them! I love those quick release! Outstanding vid guys!
She uses (and sells) the Stuart Batty gouges with the threaded release. I came home with a 24" handle, a 5/8" bowl gouge and a bowl bottom gouge. Incredible system.
ToolMetrix you only have to buy one handle. But! You have to buy another part that the tool goes into it, before it goes into the handle. The place in Vegas is the only place that makes them
@@michaell7877 I think we are talking about the same thing: www.woodworkersemporium.com/brands/SB-Tools.html. If that's what you are referring to, the SB stands for Stuart Batty. He designed this system, and Ashley sells them on her site as well: www.ashleyharwood.com/#aIgHzr. There are different lengths of handle (I bought a 24" which is what I mostly used in class and loved it, and you can also get 12", 16" and 30"), but any size gouge can fit into a single handle using the clever bolster system. The bolsters come in different interior diameter sizes, and are attached to a gouge bar using epoxy. These tools aren't cheap, but they are very, very sweet.
Dear Ashley, you have a wonderful personality .. In addition to that you are a highly qualified professional artist .... So I added your channel to my friends, my favorite artists ... I am Ali from Basra
Yep you can do it. There’s a video that shows how, but I cannot remember who posted it. The main thing that you need to do is to extend the nose of the gouge further out from the jig. A bit more than 3” as I recall. I ended up just sticking with my Irish grind. I like the wings for scraping. Sorry, Ashley 🤣.
@@ToolMetrix Awesome, thanks for the reply and the great channel. Will keep this in my mind as I continue learning about all things sharpening with my new system.
Paul, in at 3:29 of this video, Ashley demonstrates her technique to achieve the 40/40 grind. Q: Have you any idea as to what is the brand of the large toolrest, please?
Hi John, I believe that the platform that Ashley uses on her grinder is the one that was designed by Stuart Batty and can be found here: www.woodworkersemporium.com/stuart-batty-ugs-large-round-platform-2-with-some-modifications-new-picture-to-come/
Hi Tom, Ashley and I are both right handed, so we don't have any experience with that. As an instructor, Ashley might have ideas but you would want to ask her over on her channel as she doesn't monitor mine. Also, I would look for content from Mike Mahoney who is a left handed turning instructor.
Thanks for the suggestions, Greg. I'll keep that in mind for future videos. My next goal is to try to reproduce as closely as possible with a varigrind jig.
See Stuart Batty ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N7BjRcSDurM.html also wortheffort ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jcb2z_7YoJc.html
The example with the skew, isn't quite accurate. Cutting 'pressure' is the difference. With your thumb up against the edge of the skew, the thumb acts as a fulcrum for the lever/skew. With same pressure on the skew, it will cut far more deeply than without the thumb. Reduce the cutting pressure, and you can get the same cuts. You are using too much pressure, which is why you are getting more tear out. Now for the 40/40 grind. I do prefer it. Learned it from a 3 day work shop with Stuart and Allen Batty. I do prefer it to other grinds. As for the gouge digging into the paper, again, this is not accurate. It digs in because the bevel is not rubbing, so of course the tip is going to dig in. If you have a 45 degree bevel and rub the bevel, it will slide across the paper without digging in. With a 60 or 70 degree bevel, if you are rubbing the bevel, the cutting edge will still not dig in, but because of the increased bevel angle the paper will slide along the lathe bed. There are now 2 options for using jigs to grind an accurate 40/40 grind. One uses a 3 inch protrusion, and the other uses the standard 2 inch protrusion and the varigrind jig, but since I only sharpen on a platform, I never bothered to learn it. When turning the inside of a bowl, if the flutes are more on the side rather than vertical, you are getting a nice bevel rubbing high shear angle cut with the nose. The wing is doing more of a scraping cut as that part of the gouge is not riding the bevel. With the flutes more vertical, the wing is doing more of a peeling cut and the bevel is rubbing. The nose is not in bevel contact and is doing more of a scraping cut. Note here, to me a scraping cut is one with no bevel contact, and the cutting edge at 90 degrees to the rotation of the bowl. If you leave a tower in the middle of the bowl as you hollow it out, most will not cut from the transition across the bottom because you pretty much end up head butting the end grain each time it comes around. Most will cut from the middle out to the edge, Flutes are rolled over to 90 degrees. You get a little bevel rub, but the bulk of the cut is the lower wing, which is a scraping cut.. As far as scrapers go, I consider them to be the most efficient tool for heavy duty stock removal/roughing. The edge never comes out of the wood, you just sweep back and forth rather than starting your cut, pushing to the edge, take the gouge out of the wood, and come back to the top of the cut. The one handed push cut is essential for smooth cuts on bowls, both inside and outside.
Thanks for your feedback, Eric. I think great turners use what works best for them. Stuart Batty is a great turner and he doesn’t seem to use a skew. On the other hand, yes, some production spindle turners do amazing work with a skew. And it’s super fun to watch!
This was a video about Ashley Hardwood not Stuart Batty. She made the comment about this is the only thing I use my skew for. The skew is a wonderful tool and should be taught to young turners. Most are not willing to put in the practice time to make it a valuable part of their arsenal.
This is really good info... but I just can't get it figured out... I need to actually see it and be taught this, hands on... dyslexia just has its limitations... also... I need the same thing for grinding.
I totally get that. Meanwhile maybe check out the wood whisperer class. Also, check out Ashley’s DVD for $30. It’s not bowl turning but it Includes details on her sharpening techniques. I just bought and watched this myself and it is fantastic.
Hi Michael, thanks for your feedback and sorry that you didn't find this information worthwhile. These were three of the top things that I learned from Ashley during my time in her class. I didn't ask her to teach her actual techniques in this video, but she has produced some great content that is available on her web site. Stuart Batty has also produced some great how-to content on Vimeo that covers this style of bowl turning, and there are videos of Stuart teaching this approach on RU-vid as well. All best, Paul
Thanks, Finn. We did what we could in the time available. This was at the very end of class and George and I had to scram to the airport. Stay tuned, however, as there will be more bowl turning content coming. :)
Before you teach others, I think you need to seriously take a safety course on learning how to properly use a lathe and consistently follow safety guidelines. If you disregard safety but had followed it, you should know better. With the way the tool was kicking, you are well on the way to a disfigurement if the tool slips. This was done in February 2020 and videos show you with the proper gear and grip on the tools a year ago. You ALWAYS need to hold the tool with both hands, to control the tool. Gripping on the end of the tool only, you have no control. The tool could kick and get you in the face. Safety glasses are not enough. You should be wearing face protection in the event you have tear off or something spinning off. Period. That will protect your face. You also need to pay attention to your work and not talk or fool around while using the machine. The main point is that if you show some of your followers the wrong way to use a lathe, they can get hurt. This is not about me putting you down, but knowing how easy it is to get hurt in a shop. I almost lost an eye and lost hearing. People will see that and think it is how to do things in a shop. I'm glad to see you with a face shield in other videos. Why did you not in this video? However, you can do it a million times wrong and still be safe. It is the time after that you can get seriously hurt. Never get complacent over shop safety or think it will never happen because one day it will. You are so lucky for a million second chances. These accidents can be prevented by knowing what you are doing. Ask yourself if vanity and showing off in a shop are worth the risk to your safety. Injuries in a shop can be lifelong. Safety is the result of someone else getting hurt. Don't be the reason a safety rule was created. 5 years and 100 bowls does not make you a master. That takes years to do. Working safely is more important than someone's brand of tools. Please be careful.
When Ashley isn't teaching she wears a ventilated respirator. She doesn't wear it when she's teaching so that her students can hear her. Also, she's turning a green bowl here. A clean slice on wet wood doesn't produce any dust; just shavings. When I turn green I don't wear a dust mask, but when I turn dry wood, or sand, I do.
Dude how sexist is RU-vid, imma 42 yr old white dude so every other video I watch I get adverts about weight loss and or firearms but this video has a girl in it so my intro and outro adverts were for female beauty supplies.
No thanks!! A video like this has absolutely no merit whatsoever.......for me!! I'm a simple woodturner, she's some kinda ninja, who knows, who cares?! Not me!!
Ashley provides clear instruction to help simple wood turners to incorporate her genius technique into everyday craft. If you don’t study her approach you are missing out...
She’s really good at it and she shared a few tips that are part of her class. People like to learn from pros like Ashley and she was generous with her time to make this video.
That's a rather over simplification. With your mind set you probably see a Rembrandt and say "Oh, for Christ sake. It's just a painting for crying out loud."
Thanks for sharing your opinion on this, Wayne. Can't please all the people all the time, but this video is currently pleasing 97.1% of the 100,000 people who have watched it, so overall I'm pleased with the response. :) Cheers, Paul
Yes hi this looks very interesting very well skilled but I'm not very impressed where she is not wearing any type of protection she obviously is not wearing any face protection but more importantly she's not wearing a respirator put another 10 to 28 years on her life and she will have respiratory problems I know you are a pretty lady but I think your health is more important please wear a Full face mask with breathing equipment a pack that's on your back battery operated , And you can still see your pretty face through the screen , your health is more important, Regards Phil from the Moulin in France
