Coming to cycling from a Dutch perspective as purely a means of transport that everyone uses I don't get the cyclist identity. Nor do I get using sports / racing bicycles for commuting in an urban environment - they are just not as suitable.
A very balanced and well thought out review. Shame the same cannot be said for Mr Vine. If you go out looking for an issue you will find it. The issue for me is that his riding can sometimes appear to create an issue thus endangering himself and other road users. There’s enough debatable driving and cycling without manufacturing it.
Let's just make it clear for everyone, he is a professional agent provocateur. Another useful idiot character created to divide and antagonise us, the plebs. To me he is a better comedian than his equally cringe worthy brother.
Is this the same guy who hoodwinked the jury and the judge into saying that he was going to kill himself because of Alex belfield The guy who likes an argument because he's on television and he thinks he's somebody !
Vine is a publicity seeking activist who deliberately enflames situations for his own ends and best ignored as road safety is not the objective of his videos. Once again a spot in analysis from Ashley.
As a biased cyclist, he was antagonising the taxi driver for no good reason. I used to cycle both ways along Kensington High, it was a nightmare and you needed to be very aware of what was happening around you, but this was a contrived event. Jeremy Vine doesn't represent cyclists, he's an embarrassment to cyclists.
Jeremy Vile, sorry Vine is a journalist of the middle class metropolitan elite kind, that should say it all very smug and arrogant for starters. He seeks out conflict on the roads in the same way that far too many drivers with dash cams do, always looking for a situation to post on social media or in the case of Vine even subject matter for discussion on either his channel 5 TV show or his Radio 2 show. You have to ask yourself why he refused to submit the unedited footage? Maybe because for the most part it was a non event perhaps and it was edited to make it look bad? As for the taxi driver, the overtake was pointless, it was a 20mph speed limit and it gained absolutely nothing.
Kensington High Street is currently quite .. er .. interesting. The Council decision to remove a trial semi-segregated Govt funded cycle lane before they had even fully installed it is up for Judicial Review in the spring. Does JV represent cyclists? Depends on your definition of "cyslist", I guess. In drawing attention to dangerous behaviour by motor-vehicle drivers, he represents me. In this video I think Ashley is correct in pointing out a mistake by JV (staying between parked cars 100m+ apart); I'd also add that his initial pull in front of the taxi was a little late - should have moved earlier.
His "good reason" was to assert his status over less wealthy plebs and then shame them to millions of people on whatever platform he's using. He's a nasty bully.
@@leadenskies2217 I genuinely am baffled by people like you who seek to excuse the unnecessary and intentional obstructive behaviour of people like Vine. The cabbie didn't give enough space and the cyclist intentionally sought to provoke the cabbie into doing exactly what he did. The cabbie fell for the bait and has to improve. Vine is a cretin and people like you who defend him are awful tbh. Stay off the road.
Fantastic analysis Ashley - I hadn't seen the video so thanks for sharing. If I'd have been the cyclist I'd have moved back into the left and waved a thank you to the taxi driver for holding back. Simple as.
I get the feeling that Vine likes the confrontation and is actively looking for it, all he had to do was move back into the left-hand lane and there would never have been an issue, the taxi driver wasn't very clever about his overtake either.
Yes he should have moved back and he was wrong not to do so. However, the cab should have given more room when it was clear that wasn't going to happen. Keep in mind the cab driver has a responsibility for the cyclists safety.
And there’s something unedifying about a multi millionaire using his platform to berate a guy trying to make a living carrying people around the city. I am not defending the taxi driver. However, in general I like to give taxis a little leeway. A few minutes here and there won’t make any difference to my income.
I like the fact Vine answered you with “what’s the point, you don’t like cyclists” when he obviously has never seen any of your videos. I completely agree with your review including the 360deg video distortion and also that the cab did get too close but Vine then committed road rage by going into the middle of the road, basically chasing him in slow traffic, to confront him and shout at him. He said he was going to pass the video to the police like it’s a threat and I bet he didn’t do it. If he felt so aggrieved at what the cab driver did just report it and send the video in, not confront the cab driver to make even more of an issue of it, then publish it on social media for a trial.
Speaking as someone who commutes by bike, works as a delivery driver and owns a car,, i can honestly say that i don't see any evidence of anti-cyclist bias on Ashley's channel.
Neal IS bias against people riding bikes, too often he equates their actions as being equal to that of a motorist, he's ignorant of who has the greater responsibilit, and ignorant of road craft and positioning and continues with the victim blaming BS regards the vulnerable having to constantly do something to not get killed (this doesn't work in practice overall as the ones doing the harm just take more and more risks) or get out the way of people operating killing machines instead of the other way around! his idiocy regards using the horn around people on bikes, including children, is pathetic, wilfully ignorant and dangerous!
22 years ago I worked in a little shop and in the winter it was always freezing as there was no heating. The door would stay open if you opened it too much, so one of us was always going to close it after absent minded customers. On one particularly busy day a lady comes in and pins the door open. It's just out of my reach and I'm too busy at the till serving. 20 minutes later, and now even colder than before, she comes to me with her purchases and innocently comments: "It's cold in here, isn't it!". Jeremy Vine is that woman.
@@flumpaustin1994 believe me when I say we begged for many basic things and rarely received them. When you work in an off brand pound shop for minimum wage, chances are the owner doesn't care about you.
Excellent (unbiased) analysis as usual. We all share the same road so should show consideration to other users. The taxi driver did so by holding back and was expecting the same in return and only cut back in after JV shouted at him. Doesn't excuse the driving though, but JV was clearly trying to cause a problem where there normally wouldn't be one.
Good balanced analysis as always Ashley. Mr. Vine would do well to watch a few more of your videos before branding you as anti-cyclist. Your regular viewers know full well that you're not anti-cyclist, you're pro-safety - for all road users. Keep up the good work! 👍👍👍 All the best, Graham.
Yes, good analysis. I think it is worthy to suggest Vine didn't appear to care for his own safety. Then the taxi driver then acted similarly. It was a situation which was handled badly. Good to show how they should have acted. Agree 100%.
Great video, perfectly balanced. I replied to JV on Twitter, putting it to him that, after passing the car, it would have safer and more courteous to return to the nearside lane. He replied, "Why would I?" Oh dear. I so agree with your analysis, really this should have been a non incident. (I've cycled all over the place, on 3 continents.)
He fails to see that he has more in common with bad motorists than good cyclists. As a mixed road user, I would have returned to the left. When I'm on the bike on town roads I'm constantly looking for that balance: dominating the road when I need; keeping left when I can allow those behind me to overtake safely.
Long-time cyclist here. Completely agree with you. I'd have been straight back to lane one after passing that vehicle. Maybe Vine should actually do himself a favour and watch a few of your videos before throwing around baseless accusations.
I totally agree with you analysis of the video. Unfortunately as a someone who cycles regularly I know how it feels when you are riding along waiting for that one impatient driver to endanger your life. It's not a one off and happens multiple times on every ride so naturally you start to look for it. People need to be kinder and see it for what it is, people just trying to get where they are going and give each other space. No need for confrontation like you said, if someone pulls a stupid move just report it and move on, we all make mistakes.
Thanks for this Ashley. Although I drive and cycle on North Scotland fast (up to 60mph) rural roads (not Ken HS) the lesson is the same for us all. We all make mistakes, and thanks to all the folks who have bailed me out over 50 years cycling and 40 years driving. I can only hope I've also made a positive contribution over the same time. This is a great analysis which all of us need to think about in any traffic, I witnessed a similar close pass in, of all places, Dingwall (look it up of Maps) a few days ago at 07.50 hrs . In that case the cyclist was in classic position 2 and there was oncoming traffic. Not all cyclists have the confidence to adopt pos 1 in these circumstances; and these two drivers really do need to get up a few minutes earlier for work! Your brilliant overall message is one for the whole of any community, the roads being one. Let's help each other out, and when we fail (because we ALL do sometimes) our community will be looking out for us just as we're looking out for them. A shout out to the tip-top drivers on our single track roads who pull over for me on my bike. I hope I've pulled into a passing place for them as well.
Jeremy says...."I was in a bar and a guy was in my way, so I pushed him. He was bigger and heavier that me and he pushed me back harder! That's not fair, he could have really hurt me."
Not quite an equal comparison - JV didn't hurt anyone here, he was just inconsiderate. The taxi driver didn't have a right to then do a dangerous overtake in response. JV was inconsiderate and bad at sharing the road but he didn't endanger the driver. JV should obviously have moved back over when it was clear to do so.
@@Met182 so for JV not to move back It just shows you what sort of character he is He is one of those guys who thinks he is right ,when he is clearly , in the wrong !
@@Met182 I get what you're saying, but even if it was going to be 20 seconds before the next obstruction it is completely unnecessary to overtake somebody in traffic like this. As we saw the taxi was going to be stuck behind cars at the next lights anyway. The taxi won't be travelling faster than a cyclist through that part of London at that time, so it is safest to not attempt an overtake at all, especially when it is to no gain whatsoever for either party.
The taxi driver will have seen a stopped vehicle in his lane and two cyclists ahead of him in the same position also needing to move out a lane. Taxi driver then moves early and accelerates to occupy the space the cyclists are obviously about to move into. Pointless, dangerous manoeuvre (whether done to cyclists or drivers)
Well done for your unbiased analysis Ashley I ride a bike and I drive a car to date rightly or wrongly I have never used a dash or helmet can. As you have always preached all road users simply need to show each other courtesy. As a side point years ago I always listened to Terry then Chris and Ken but no longer. You have to remember Jeremy Vine is never wrong and we are still waiting for him to apologize for failing to follow the science on the government wasting billions of pounds on their and the mass media narrative we will never forget or forgive Jeremy.
The word "trigger" also applies to the cyclist but I'm amazed that no-one commented on the fact that the cyclist moved to the offside of the taxi which was sitting in lane 2. The cyclist crossed the white lines in the center of the road where he stopped, facing oncoming traffic on the wrong side of the road to engage the taxi driver in an argument. What chance did the on-coming traffic have of allowing 1.5 meters when an irate cyclist is ranting at a car driver in the middle of the road?
Ive came to realize this on some dashcam groups in facebook, Its always the same few that keep posting videos and in the majority of them they seem to be actively searching to escalate perfectly avoidable situations. Ive had a dashcam on my car for a long time, did a 4000 mile road trip last summer down to southern europe and back and had absolutely 0 events worth filming.
I'm a cyclist and a van driver (so no bias) and I think you're spot on! Don't leave your safety in the hands of a driver, who for mitigating reasons might not be able to safeguard you.
Absolving and pushing focus onto the vulnerable to get out of harms way NEVER imprioves safety, that's because without having to act, the ones posing the threat never change habits and in fact take even more risks knowing that others are likely to get out the way, except they don't or can't, and then you get the victim blaming BS brigade like Neal!.
@@135Ops whatever, as a health and safety professional for 25 years in multiple fields and studied the stats regards many factors surrounding KSIs and injuries in the workplace plus the psycholog as to wh humans behave I know I'm more qualified to comment. But keep trying sonny!
I really responded to Ashley's statement that the cyclist was "primed and ready for escalation". As a cyclist I found that in any journey there are usually multiple incidents that occur relating to close passes or drivers not seeing you. I have stopped cycling on the roads as I don't find it relaxing or enjoyable, because after the first one or two incidents that occur on a ride I switch to a mindset where I'm constantly expecting problems, and so it isn't any fun. I'm interested in how other cyclists stay in a positive mindset while dealing with issues that occur, and so avoid being "ready for escalation".
I know of cyclists who wear headphones and never look behind them, their attitude is they can’t do much about being hit by a dangerous driver, so they'd rather not know about it. I can see the logic, the risk is still relatively low compared to some other activities. But it's not for me. I manage the stress by turning it into a game, actively managing every overtaking vehicle using my road position. I mainly ride on lightly trafficked country roads; a mirror paired to a Garmin radar has been revolutionary. I can totally relax when riding, knowing the radar will notify me of approaching vehicles. So I ride in primary most of the time, when the radar tells me a vehicle is approaching I check the mirror and decide what to do. If there’s a pinch point, blind bend or oncoming car, I stay primary and watch/listen to make sure the car is slowing. I then actively move to secondary when it’s safe for them to pass - but never wave them through. This pretty much works a treat. I’ve had the occasional numpty driver beep their horn or swerve at me for riding primary, but by then they have at least slowed down and I’ve got the space to move left out of the way. I do also occasionally pull over if there’s a convenient place and it’s a large vehicle like an HGV, school bus, combine harvester, tractor etc. It’s easier to do with the radar as you spot them early and I mostly ride solo, so stopping is also easier than in a group.
Communication. I take that point about it changing your mindset. How I do it is communicating with the good drivers, with a thumbs up of a wave. I also make use of road road positioning, making it clear I'm happy for a pass or not. That said, I think driving standards are somewhat better here.
It’s fair to say, people feeling relaxed on the roads whether in a car or on a bike are the problem. No, you didn’t feel relaxed riding on the roads. Good, you shouldn’t. If I had my way, car seats wouldn’t be comfortable either so drivers can’t relax. Maybe with less relaxing everyone will be more alert and stop making journeys that are beyond their concentration ability.
Hi Ashley, Jeremy Vine is a calculating wind up merchant who gets pleasure from his actions. After watching this video I did a search on RU-vid and found quite a few similar to this (the white Bentley) was one. I can understand why Alex Belfield had such a hatred for him, I can't stand the bloke. 😇
Well put Ashley and great assessment of the possible reasons on how this escalated. I thought also may have picked up on the point that the cyclist decided to have a confrontation with the taxi driver whilst on the wrong side of the road!! To me thats crazy, especially in London!
Well, that was as balanced and unbiased as you could be given Ashley’s stated agenda is road safety for all. Can Jezza say that about his agenda? No, war and attrition and polarisation are his food and drink. I hope you sent him the link to this, Ashley.
For me as a cycling instructor, this really wasn't bad from the taxi, UNTIL Jeremy's vocalise triggered him into cutting in. The main reason "close" passes like this don't bother me is the extremely slow closing speed - if the vehicle has already slowed (because of Jeremy's signal and position) the risk is very low. Like Ashley I would have moved to the left, not that bothered by the pass and then the taxi would have had more space to move back. But Vine is a journalist, so conflict is what keeps him in a job I guess. Ashley's closing statement to the contrary should be mandatory at the end of every driving theory test. It's just driving folks; we're perfectly capable of being pleasant in the supermarket queue but give us a metal box or a set of pedals and we turn into tarmac NIMBYs for some reason!
Totally agree regarding the speed. Passing is about space, type of vehicle and speed. I agree about having a minimum distance but in some situations (mostly in crowded cities) a bit more consideration and tolerance (from everyone) would be nice.
The taxi driver cut in because of the proximity of the central reservation! The same reservation that Jeremy could see when he could have chosen to make room for the overtaking taxi. The same reservation that the taxi driver should have seen to make the decision not to pass. The pass didn't look that close, but there was not room to pass because of the reservation and Jeremy's position as it was clear at this point that the cyclist was not moving back towards the kerb even though there was space. I don't accept the no right turn argument as vehicles (probably more so bicycles) pull over to the right of the road for all sorts of reasons. This is a case of a road user being inconsiderate and acting like a dick and being surprised that others act like dicks towards him. A good road user should not react to others bad decisions, but we don't live in a world full of "Ashley's" (not even Ashley's behaving like he knows he should... in hindsight... when calm..... in the warmth of his car.... and when filming.....).
@@peterthompson9854 That's a technicality, the central reservation didn't force him to do anything, except inform the better decision to hang back as you quite rightly said. He could have slowed and gone in behind the cyclist even at that late stage. Note I'm not exonerating Jeremy at all, he should have made room and certainly should have let it go rather than escalating, but the driver did make a couple of poor calls. The takeaway, as in most cases, is not "about 'oooh killed 'oooh" (Monty Python) but that nothing really happened and yet there was still an unnecessary barney, in this case fuelled by Jeremy. I thought the taxi driver actually dealt with that pretty calmly.
I'm a bit late to the party but as always, an excellent analysis. Fair and unbiased. As usual Vine makes this situation far worse than it needs to be purely so he can edit it and put it on his show. Unfortunately the taxi driver made it easier for him in this case.
Totally agree with your analysis of this. I’m a regular cyclist, and I always try to let other vehicles pass whenever possible, so I would have moved left after the parked car.
I wouldn't. I'd read the road ahead for other obstructions & only enable the overtake if they were likely to clear them before I got there. I'd also be wary of being able to move out again safely if I was being passed by cars travelling close together at speed.
If i was the driver in this video I would have noticed that there was a queue of traffic 50 yards down the road and not bothered overtaking the cyclist
@Advanced Driving I guess I'm lucky a lot of the cabbies where I am are considerate and cautious when I encounter them on my bike. Often 10pm or later, when they can be in the majority. It's most dangerous when it's most pointless, around 5pm.
I agree. I spotted it straight away. If I were in the same position, I would have moved partially into the bus lane, just enough for faster vehicles to pass freely, but stayed in the right position of the bus lane to make other drivers aware of my presence and need to move back out shortly.
Morning Ash 😊 Agreed, his riding standard was far below what I would expect from a competent cyclist. The cab assumed he would move back but he didn’t move back.
You're right of course, but keep in mind that the balance is still against the cab who has a responsibility for the cyclists safety as per the highway code changes.
@@apkk5594 . Exactly, like the situation of a pedestrian in the road, just because they shouldn't be there, does not give anyone the right to put them at risk.
Respect to you referring to JV as ‘the cyclist’ throughout your analysis. Just as Air Accident investigation seeks to depersonalise incidents to get a better understanding of the human factors at play.
One person in this discussion has made a career out of being angry and sharply subjective. The other has made one out of being calm, objective and analytical. I don't expect Jeremy will be moved an inch by Ashley's insights 🤣🤣
Excellent analysis that seems to want the best for everyone. As a cyclist i appreciate this approach, which takes the heat out of the debate and adds some rationality. Well done
What about the guy on the folding bike to Jeremys left; shouldn't Jeremy have stayed back and let the folding bike go first, so he didn't have to go so far into the road? Not a fan of his anyway.
Vine was doing the overtake and didn’t provide room. It would seem he was focusing on positioning himself to be beside the parked car at the time to create a situation with the taxi but the taxi didn’t overtake
The cyclist in first video was obviously out there to 'make' content. He didn't even move to left lane after getting past the parked vehicle, hoping this will happen. Can't be more obvious than that.
100% agree with all your comments on the incident, good balanced judgements. Cameras as a pandemic? My experience is that the presence of the little swirling light on my rear camera changes driver behaviour for the better, I ride with one now because I observe that virtually no dangerous driving happens from approaching rearward vehicles. The same can't be said of the front camera because there is no swirling light and the closing speed means there is no mental processing time for a driver to consider it anyway, consequently dangers from the front are not moderated by the camera at all.
Thanks Ashley, your content is really valuable, helps drivers to see how to keep all road users safe. They’ve certainly helped me refocus my perspective as a driver, I live in a rural area with lots of cyclists on narrow country lanes. I can imagine that cycling through the capital must make people jaded and frustrated but if we want a productive conversation about road safety then all sides have to be willing to listen. Unfortunately it’s clear that’s not JVs primary aim which is genuinely a shame especially considering his reach
Well done for a balanced analysis . Can't imagine how he thinks you are biased against cyclists . He obviously thinks himself that he could have done better. and that would be why he did not want to cooperate . Also if the taxi driver thought he was turning right then all the more reason not to overtake .
I feel bad for Ashley. He’s received to much abuse in the past from motorists who disagree with the amount of respect he shows to cyclists, and now Vine has the nerve to say that. 😂
Cyclists seem to be yet another group of people who can not be spoken against. They are joining the list of poor, easily offended, always right victims that don't wish to join a discussion, but only control it.
The taxi driver did hang back when the bellend signalled right. He only overtook when the bellend continued in the right lane. The bellend did claim that “there was no right turn there” but he could have been going across the road to stop at any of the shops or properties on the other side.
@@peterthompson9854 And the irony of that is the vast majority of commuter cyclists, particularly in London, are middle aged, middle class, white males (like Vine). So amongst the most privileged and well connected individuals in society.
A well-presented review balanced, unbiased and logical. I suspect the cyclist was not looking for a confrontation but as soon as a situation was presented to him he went on a trip and like you I have no doubt he was closely passed by the cab on purpose.
That would have been reasonable, but I admire Ashley for making such a point of not stooping to Vine's level. A more effective reproach, in my opinion.
Sorry be the one to correct you Ashley but at 3:38 red and amber does NOT mean "get ready". It still means stop or "continue to stop" as the red light is still illuminated. (Actual words for the highway code - RED AND AMBER also means ‘Stop’. Do not pass through or start until GREEN shows) Not a big deal just thought worth mentioning as it's a common misconception I see everyday and have to correct students on the matter. Top videos as always!! I refer to a lot of your sayings/teachings when delivering lessons. Albeit it I instruct CBT motorcycle training, your videos have helped! Much appreciated and everyone is safer with you and your well taught students on the road. 👍👍
I am a fairly keen cyclist riding a few thousand miles a year on road, off road and for general transport. I also own a gas guzzler. I agree with Ashley on this. Neither party comes out of this well and unless I am mistaken, when Jeremy pulls alongside to remonstrate with the driver he puts himself at risk of getting hit by oncoming traffic. Close passes can be quite scary and horn use only increases the adrenaline flow so I can understand JV getting all pumped up. I would have pulled back into the gap to let the car pass and then filtered past them at their next stop.
Not seen you before but what a superb & rational presentation. I'm 70 next week & ridden a bike around London most of my life. Actually i've just seen David Fraser's comment. No point me saying anything else. 360 degree awareness & assume you'll get hit. I love watching a grown up child acting pathetically. In fact using the word child is an insult to children...Thanks for the video.
Jeremy vine's entire career seems to be about antagonising folk. Can't stand radio 2 in the afternoon but that's what's on and I can't change it. So even in the north we're not safe from him.
A very good summary of this incident Ashley. I drive but don`t cycle and admit my tolerance towards cyclist is very poor. I hope to try and analyse situations better in future.
Great video and really nice calm analysis of what should have been a non-event that as you mentioned people like to make drama out of. Really do appreciate "boring" informative and professional content like this, keep it up!
Ashley, I’ve been watching your vids for a fair while. My wife says my driving has changed for the better. One of the reasons I continue to watch is that you are unbiased . Even when viewers send in clips you point out what they could have done better. Too many vids are just from one side or the other or just show bad driving/cycling with no attempt to analysis of the situation.
Re-watched: I have to say about the horn toot at 1:50…..There is no “horn code handbook”, but a quick couple of toots is generally understood as a cheery “I’m here” and typically also a greeting, farewell or thank you acknowledgement. Whereas a long horn blast is the rebuke or OMG! sound. The passing cab was not rebuking Mr. Vile, but just letting him know he was in the act of passing. I don’t know any driver who is not aware of this long standing unwritten code of practice.
Totally agree with what you have said and observed. We all need to share the roads safely. I believe this is a high profile celebrity seeking attention. Vine had plenty of time to move back to the left and defusing a potential situation. Instead he escalated the situaton and endangered himself and others. Bad example to set to others.
JV makes a lot of very pertinent observations concerning the way many motorists drive around cyclists on our roads but... (IMO) this one feels like he was creating an incident and acted in a way that undermines his message. Great analysis Ashley - as a regular commuter I cycle in heavy traffic a lot and I cannot fault your observations concerning what all parties should have done better.
Sadly I've come across far too many people with that kind of mind set. Acts the bully, being quick to escalate any grievance and then after the fact insist that they are the victim and did no wrong and will make sure everyone knows how badly they were treated. The internet has just given a much larger platform for these types of people to cause trouble, shame their victims and gussy up praise and support from their supporters who only seeing the worst side of the encounter 😒 When someone like Ashley comes along, who will confidently and correctly point out the flaws and mistakes from both parties, of course the bully has to deflect, accuse of bias and continue to play the victim.
Ashley. I am a Cyclist first but have driven a bus and LGV's plus I was a driving assessor at my previous job. I think your attitude is spot on. I used to be an aggressive rider. This was brought on by the real threat posed by some drivers. I think that if somebody threw a punch at you and deliberately missed you would also respond aggressively. It's a similar feeling. We all share the road space, whether in a car, truck, motorcycle or push bike. Be kind and apologise when you make a mistake. We all make them, all the time.
As a learner driver going around that area fairly regularly, I can tell you quite rarely see cyclists on south ken high street as the side roads are much quieter, but the ones you do are a nightmare to deal with and will weave in and out like moped riders. I will say that on that particular stretch, everyone drives in the number 2 lane as there are a lot of buses that frequently stop along the road
100%. One of the busiest cities on the planet so everyone is vying for whatever space there is. Lowering risk by working together to reach our destinations safely should be the goal. Imagine he used his celebrity status to set a good example and not for point scoring and validation!
I agree with your analysis Ashley. As an advanced motorist and experienced cyclist both parties could have done better. To improve and make the roads safer for all we have to understand our mistakes and learn from them.
Excellent video & analysis. I have known for many years that Jeremy Vine is an antagonist & thinks he's always right. This is just another example of it, he's got his pals at Channel 5 to edit the video - I personally don't like him for this exact reason.
Another cyclist here, into the fray, and I agree with your take, Ashley. I especially agree with your interpretation of the cabbie's words as that was something that stood out when I first watched the clip -- Vine's text overlay wasn't representing what the cabbie was saying and that was confusing me a bit. How did he get that so wrong?! Assuming malice because he is part of the car vs bike mindset?
Now i understand he's on a bicycle and therefore a more vulnerable road user, however say he was in that lane in a car and had to avoid the taxi stopped infront of him in the lane... you can't just indicate then move over as you do it very close to a vehicle in the other lane and expect them to just instantly stop for you. Not to mention a road rule i assume applies to cycles in the same sense being keep left unless overtaking, so why didn't he move back over after the overtake? ah yes... he was fully aware of the taxi behind him
Never rated Jeremy Vine as a journalist. Don’t rate his cycling skills either. There was no reason at all to not pull over to the left after passing the parked taxi. My opinion, far too interested in getting another video for his Twitter account instead of riding his bike in a sensible manner.
A little disappointed you didn't mention the right turning lane; had the cyclist been wanting to turn right onto Wrights Ln. there is no way the Taxi Driver (despite their protestations) would have allowed that to happen given when and where they chose to commit to the over take. You make a completely valid point about returning to the left lane, but this conflicts dramatically with your advice on road use and taking a position to turn in advance. If you see a cyclist in lane 2, indicating right, with a right turn lane beginning, should you overtake?
I applaud your dispassionate, non judgemental analysis of this video. Your conclusions are spot on, as is your opinion regarding inappropriate use of video to suit the views of the individual. The use of camera lenses purporting to create accurate representations of distances and human eye views is totally misleading …… even before it has been edited to suit. The camera is often a stranger to the truth and never more than it is today.
@@hittitecharioteer He's a journalist, conflict is the only thing that matters to them, as they wouldn't have a job without it. I'm not saying that as a criticism, except when it's creating hazards on the road when they could be avoided. I think I would have moved to the left and I don't think the pass was bad really considering the closing speed.
@@hittitecharioteer I cycle all the time as well. I pretty much guarantee I will get at least one very close pass and many dubious passes on every journey. Yes, the vast majority are considerate but a fraction of a percent is all it takes to create issues.
I cycle in the city (Christchurch NZ) most working days. I don't have a camera on the bike, but if I did I'd be 'lucky' to record a couple of incidents a year, and its not as if drivers here are any better than those in the UK. Vine seems to experience several incidents a month. What am I doing wrong?????
You don't really think he did it himself?😀 A Channel 5 or BBC lackey no doubt was given the task together with strict instructions of what to include and what not to.
A dreadful aggressive graphical style to try and magnify quite minor elements, that does nothing for him. His output used to be quite measured and calm but he looks to be going full shock jock now in the race for clicks. He won't do the cause any favours.
The taxis horn could of sounded more aggressive than it did, i think the double beep was more of a "move back over" beep? note the centre island coming up on the taxi, he has to move left to clear it. And if the cyclist would have had more forward planning instead of being fixated on aggravating other road users, he'd have seen the centre island and moved left knowing the taxi would have had to get off the hatched area in time for the island. Yea the cab driver is close, hard to tell exactly with those cameras. Good analysis though Ashley
Vine could have avoided all that, and the close pass by moving to lane one after he had passed the parked car. Personally, when I’m on my bike, I do everything possible to keep a distance between me and any vehicle. Having been forced off the road once by a juggernaut passing too close at speed in the Cotswolds, has convinced me of this. But, oh…Vine would not have had a video then, would he?
A well balanced view.I do have a problem with cyclists sending head cam footage to police if no accident occurs.Has anyone challenged the accuracy of head cams or maybe ability of user to edit these?
Another point to note about the Taxi moving back to his left, expecting the cyclist to do the same - it was either do that or hit the pedestrian refuge a few metres ahead.
Hi Ashley, Great video analysis, but can I ask for your opinion on Mr Vines treatment of the other cyclists that is positioned to his left at the start of the clip? It appears that he deliberately blocks the other cyclist in with nowhere to go because of the taxi parked on the bus stop markings.
I actually thought he gave them enough room (360 camera distorts) as the Taxi held back, and he was cycling a fair bit quicker than them as you see them pass again when JV is stopped alongside the Taxi.
Thanks for this analysis! I wanted to ask about a comment you made towards the end about motorists needing to treat cyclists as people, not an interference but that it's going to take a lot of effort for many people - Why do you think that is? I occasionally cycle to work and I often get cars being aggressive towards me unprovoked. But they all seem to think their anger and aggression based on prejudice is justified. I don't really understand this.
