ASIAN CUP 2023 TIER LIST: Do Southeast Asian Nations Have A Chance? 

When malaysia lost to Thai and Viet in the AFF, it was because, KPG was testing 2nd and 3rd tiered Malaysian Player, as most of the Main Player was not released by the clubs due to Non FIFA calendar period.

As a Malaysian myself, this is how I see it. Since Malaysian football is still developing in recent years, and we are not fully mature or developed as those powerhouses like Japan and S.Korea, here’s our idea 💡, concept or mentality: *It’s not about how many goals we can defend or stop 🛑 ✋. It’s about how we can still manage to not lose the game despite being conceding goals😏😎.*

Thank you very much for the videos. I am Uzbek and very much enjoy your content. You're one of the few RU-vidrs who actually have very deep ball knowledge. Your channel would be so much more popular if only more uzbeks new English. Anyways, thanks for your quality content. Looking forward to coming Asian cup. Hope you will have more info on that in the channel

For me, Indonesia is finished. When they drew the Philippines, As a Filipino I'm proud but As a follower of them, I'm worried that they couldn't get a single point in this Asian Cup. I hope Indonesia can gain a ton from this and carry this over for the future and I hope STY stays in the long run. Their best chance is vs A Vietnam team that has a ton of key players out due to injury. For Malaysia, If they beat Jordan, I think they can make past the group stage but their form is very scary, If they continue that, big hope for them. Malaysia just needs to fix their defense. Thailand is aging but there are young players coming but Coach Iishi must wonder how will they adapt to his system in a short period of time. Vietman, many key players are not in the Asian Cup due to injuries, so I'll not be surprised if they lose to Indonesia. Indonesia and Vietnam: Finished Thailand: Divine Intervention Required Malaysia: THERE'S HOPE

As of now in 2024, 1st tier : South Korea . Japan 2nd: Iran, Australia 3rd: Saudi Arabia

i do think malaysia always concede or give away goals easily, but under coach kim pan gon we scored 64 goals and concede 25 goals, thats a 39 goal difference, the trick is we need to score more goals than we concede 😂

For AFF tournaments, Malaysia often send in 2nd stringers or U23 since 2016. This is due to that Tournament is not in FIFA calendar, thus top clubs do not release their top players😊

malaysia lose 3-0 twice by thailand and veitnam is an old story. but today they are new player, new squad, stronger team and they are more different than you think. win 10-0 to papua new guinea, win 4-2 to india. win 4-3 kyrgyzstan and there are top in group D fifa asian qualifier 2026.

will you do daily matches predictions with knowledge of probable lineup?

This channel is going to blow up. Keep it up!

I do like your presentation, bro. Thanks for enlightening us. You got me laughing....a lot...😅😄

Malaysia's football team very hard to predict as they can play very well or concede easy goals. Mental strength and never giving up will be crucial for the Malaysian team to do well in the Asian Cup.

honestly this discussion is pretty accurate...as south east asian, i do feel, Malaysia maybe got better chance (i hope so) because of the team and looking at previous game, they beat krygyz, draw with syria and china at away..quite promising squad, their stats last year also quite amazing, they beat india...but indonesia and vietnam are all done. Group D is a death group. You got Iraq and Japan bro and looking at their previous games, i dont think it quite possible but the ball is round maybe miracle can happen. Thailand, personally i think they got hope and looking at krygyz and oman, thailand actually can got draw or win..if the coach is clever enough to use/play tactically. This discussion is so fun. glad you make it😂

I think Malaysia strongest point are their attacking and pressing since this guys will punish any silly mistake make by the oppennet like when them losing 1-3 at 77th minutes and come bacl to 4-3 due to many silly mistake.

In football there are always surprises. that's what Indonesia will do as an underrated team, surprising all predictions.

Yea yea good comments and good vision on Malaysian team.

"Divine intervention required" 😂

yes Indonesia never beat vietnam since 2016, but last night was 3 points 😁💪💪💪

Polking said before the China game that if they fail to win, he was going to resign. Also Ishii was the technical director of the national team already, so is familiar with the system and players. Of course this is not a good situation before a major tournament, but they had to walk the talk. Also tbf, under Polking Thailand was very leaky in defense. Whilst we all enjoy offensive football, managers are judged on their results, and Thailand just didnt get the results under Polking

It's actually five, since Australia is technically Southeast Asian by its membership virtue. By counting this in, only Australia has anything to win it again, although their form is quite sluggish at best. If you are counting the four indigenous Southeast Asian nations, then there are questions to be take: *Malaysia* has the brightest, because Jordan and Bahrain are not in good shapes. With only South Korea taking the role as big boy in this group, Malaysia can play to their fullest against Jordan and Bahrain. The bet is they can advance. *Thailand* will have to require a lot of individual intervention if they really wish to make it through. Saudi Arabia is certainly too much, but Oman and Kyrgyzstan are neither easy. Oman has been historically a very, very troubled foe for every Southeast Asian nation, and Kyrgyzstan recently has proven their worth... by shocking everybody with a 1-0 win over Oman. Given this, Thailand needs to accumulate at least a win over Kyrgyzstan or they are likely doomed. *Indonesia* is not cohesive as a team and they have proven with a poor 1-1 draw to the Philippines. If there is no improvement right now they will face a huge problem. *Vietnam* is plagued by injuries like never before and in fact it is the most hit team in this competition because of Troussier's radical duel tactics. Yet this is a team that has always, at some points, managed to defy logics, as the team has proven in 2007, 2019 Asian Cups and 2022 WCQs by snatching a win each. In many aspects, I think Thailand has to prove a lot, as they failed to live up to expectation many times. Malaysia should feel lucky with this given opportunities. Indonesia is nearly hopeless and Vietnam is... I don't know.

Big up Arif Aiman

Call me biased “Because i am.” for malaysia but hear me out, i do see them having hope in their group because recently they just drew against Syria once again for the second time now, the attacking and midfield options are excellent but what worries me are the defence, attacking wise i can vouch that they are the most exciting team to watch at “for the moment” since they have been heavily focused on their flanks when it comes to their attacking, and they are very versatile when they are attacking as well, their left back and right back can be attacking fullbacks if needed, especially Corbin Ong who can transition from a traditional defender to an attacking one if needed, but that’s where the problems arrises, since they are heavily focused of attacking, sometimes their back lines will become a three man back lines, giving more space for their opponents in the flanks if they do transition into attacking and i think that’s where the “problem” if i can even call it that, of getting scored at during the first half, but another thing that should be noted with the Malaysian team is that they are stubborn like mule type shit stubborn when it comes to winning, they would do anything to win heck even send their defenders to the front if needed which happens a lot, well that’s one of the traits that i like about the Malaysian team, is that they just won’t GIVE UP🔥🇲🇾

Msia must not let in easy goals, keeper need to be aggresive n confident wth high balls..i hv big trust in the attcking line up..they can create goals wth little opening..also from set pieces.

Indonesia has been called the underdog and looked down by every so called pundits but end up proving them wrong. proud of my boys

I think maybe it's not yet time for Southeast Asian countries (aff) to make it to the final but the 2023 Asian Cup will be a moment of revival for Southeast Asian football, like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and maybe the Philippines in the future.

Actually in the past it was harder to qualify from Asia to the World Cup , it was only one spot qualified all the time , strongest teams were Iran ,South Korea ,North Korea , Israel and Australia .Trust me Japan became strong team in Asia after 1998 .

I amazed by how fast he talking without stop for a moment

Bruh , Thailand didn't even started the training camp yet.Thai league was still going and they will regroup by tomorrow (the league rest at 6 January).Idk about Thailand man,im sooo worried

Makes sense

As a Czech-Viet myself, I can see why people distrust Vietnam's chance. However, there is another reason: Vietnam's policy has always been Bilbaolesque, which is based on the paranoia of race, language and culture (a typical Athletic Bilbao alike). Whereas Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia practise relaxed naturalisation policies, Vietnam's naturalisation process has been hampered by demand that this person must know how to speak Vietnamese, behave like Vietnamese and live like Vietnamese, and that having origin from Vietnam alone doesn't guarantee you a place in the national team. That's why Vietnam has, in the past, rejected players that have Vietnamese origins just because they don't feel Vietnamese enough. This troublesome Athletic Bilbao-style policy should not be applied to a national team.

Malaysia will be competitive, Romel Morales will add some added firepower up top, Arif Aiman, Faisal Halim and Safawi will cook up top as well. As long as we can win the midfield duels and progress the ball up to the players above, we should be cookinggggg.

No offence intended but I really believe Indonesia will lost all games this time. Japan and Iraq is a way too much for them and Vietnam is slightly better than Indonesia. Malaysia is an exciting team but we will see.

I am surprised that some people still think Thailand has more opportunities but they don't mention what kind of opponents they are going to face. Thailand is not facing Bahrain or the UAE, but they are facing Saudi Arabia and Oman. Have anybody forgotten that Oman is a team combined with skills and their East African origin players? When the Omani Empire expanded to East Africa in the 16th century, they enslaved and brought home many East Africans. East Africans are notoriously renowned for being physical, agile and very fast, hence why East African nations are very successful at marathon, such as Mo Farah (British Somali) or Haile Gebreselassie (Ethiopia). Oman has perfectly combined the art of skills and East African genes, hence why they have always triumphed over Southeast Asians. Considering this factor, Thailand should try to neutralise Omani runners first before trying to score, which is, sadly, something they did so poorly in the past.

Demi lencana di dada , berjuang la harimau ku ...

For you information: Before 2016, Vietnam always lost against Indonesia. But after being trained by Korean coach Park Hang Seou, Vietnam's way of playing changed, playing rough and provocative, one of the Indonesian star players who became a victim was Evan Dimas. That's why it's difficult for Indonesia to win against Vietnam, especially in the AFF Cup because Vietnam plays rough. During an interview, Park Hang Seo admitted himself that when fighting Indonesia, the tactics he used were playing rough and provoking because he knew that Indonesian players were easy to provoke. Maybe it would be a different story if it was in the AFF Cup has VAR. In the Asian Cup, Vietnam will no longer be coached by Park Hang Sou, the game will change. Yes, my prediction is that Indonesia will win Vietnam, draw or even win closely against Iraq, and lose against Japan. We'll see, Indonesia will suprise you.

as a Malaysian, I do think we have a good chance against both Bahrain and Jordan, will be aiming for atleast 4 points from these two games. as for the Korea game, honestly it's a rare opportunity for us to even get a game against a top 30 World Cup nation, so I honestly don't even mind if we lose, provided we play a good game and get a few chances or even score a goal ourselves, who knows? but at best we're expecting from this one is 1 point obviously. We really are feeling confident of advancing out of the group for the first time ever and atleast make the round of 16. Harimau Malaya 🐯great video dude, subscribed 👍

All South East Asian teams suffer from the same issue… size. They all lack overall size and physicality (e.g. Thais looked very small against China in their recent World Cup Qualifier, it was a thing that stood out to me in that match). Don’t know how they solve this tbh, maybe they should start selecting for size over technique, or naturalize larger players.

I am from Spain, but given my extended family are Filipinos myself, I have been following the Philippines and, in general, Southeast Asian football. I would say that Southeast Asian football has a severe issue with how to foster its distinct identity, because, despite passion for fans, they are not smart at fulfilling it. In my country, every football club helps fostering grassroot movement, for simple Athletic Bilbao nurtured players with Basque origins, Barcelona blossomed players with distinctive tiki-taka playing style, to how Atletico Madrid builds career for players based on strict discipline (previously Atleti was an air force club) or how Sevilla embraced the beauty of football with its Andalusian origin. This clearly fosters Spanish football and provides Spain with a cause to believe for. In Southeast Asia, however, football seems to be run by corporators or hooligans, not football fans genuinely. In Vietnam for example, it is shocking that the military, the police and even businessmen named their clubs as properties and not for football fans (examples being Hanoi Police Club or Viettel The Cong) - both violated the unwritten laws of football club not being a property for any state institution - hell why Vietnam has never seen its potential. Meanwhile, Indonesia has a poor management team and thus clubs are largely operated by corrupt businessmen and hooligans, hence so many cases of deadly violence. Even in Thailand, long seen as model, Thailand's clubs are deeply influenced by figures with tie to the monarchy, rather than being promoted from grassroots, hell why Thai clubs are so successful yet their national team sucks. Southeast Asia should get rid of institutional, hooligan football, or Southeast Asia will never learn to progress.

Love your analysis. Absolutely right, as Vietnamese we are doomed: Players are not good, young and inexperienced.

The ability of the Indonesian national team usually comes out when many people look down on it, this was proven when in the 2020 AFF Cup, at that time they were even able to reach the final. However, as an Indonesian, I am realistic that the points that can be taken are only 4 points by beating Vietnam and draw against Iraq.

thanks for talking about Indonesia❤

Malaysia maybe concede many goals, yes when different defenders but not the same attackers. We will score just whether it will be enough.

i'm a filipino supporting japan, idk why i'm watching this

As an indonesian i was like "oh shit" 😅 But it's oke i hope we can still fight!

Hola from 🇲🇾🇲🇾

*Tough for Asean Countries. Its the beginning of long journey.*

Malaysia in AFF and AFC Tournament results is not related at all bruh . During AFF Cup they only send Non Abroad player + Non Continental club player ( Non JDT Non KL City at that case) . Endryck sound so promising for me since He play for Real Madrid 🐧🐧 i mean Real JDT and former Brazil Serie A .

vietnam or indonesia have slightly chances to go for 1 of 4 best 3rd places. on paper both team will lose to japan and iraq. vietnam have chances against iraq if no VAR implemented because kickboxing is part or their tactical plan. i think indonesia can win vs vietnam. thai with chanatip i think have better chances to win vs rep kyrgys and draw againts oman. malaysia need 4 points from first 2 matches, i think malaysia have better chances to win vs bahrain. better squad compare their last meeting. finished - vietnam (var will be against their tactical play and no park hang seo. i knew why phs doesnt renew maybe its because of var) Divine Intervention Required- indonesia there's hope - malaysia and thailand ( i think malaysia have better chances than thailand)

@Dead ball TV* u have done such videos on asean nations why not do the same for saff nations man?

Interesting point of view. Malaysia should enter the field with cautious confidence

6:16 YES WE DID BEAT VIETNAM! YOU TRULY NEVER WATCH INDONESIAN GAMES AGAINST VIETNAM YOU JUST LOOK AT THE RESULT AND DATA YET TALK LIKE AN EXPERT 😂

On paper, tough job.

Ok,

Malaysia can win korea but they can not win japan

Lol, your face looks like Elkan Bagot😅😅 beloved best Indonesian player

what is your nationality bro ? ❤ from india.

Tim indo usia paling muda di turnamen ini

Why do you say it's impossible for Indonesia to win against Vietnam? Have you ever watched all the Indonesia vs Vietnam matches? In the 2020 AFF Cup Indonesia vs Vietnam the score was 0-0 and Vietnam didn't even shoot on target, Indonesia topped the group after beating Malaysia 4-1 and Indonesia at that time was average U23. In the 2022 AFF Cup Semifinal leg 1 against Vietnam, Indonesia's game was much more dominant with lots of opportunities, but unfortunately it was a 0-0 draw.

You don't know much about the Indonesian team. It is true that the average young player is under 25 years old, but several players have played a lot in the senior team for more than 30 caps, there are also many naturalized players who play in European leagues (Belgium, Netherlands, even in the EPL and EFL England). FYI, when they played against Iraq and the Philippines in the World Cup qualifiers yesterday they didn't field their best squad, Marselino and Ivar were injured. I think Indonesia will make a surprise in the Asian Cup later.

Defense Malaysia little bit worry

Actually, back in the 2023 AFF Cup, Malaysia, we were putting out our second stringers and third stringers, many of them have not played in major competitions or even got called up before prior to the tournament. But still, you're spot on, attacking wise, we are absolutely superb, stocked with talent bombing forward, defence however, we still have doubts. Whatever it is, we do not expect much, just hoping that we could put up a fight against the top sides!

I'm Indonesian and it's obvious that on paper we're not expected to win against Iraq and Japan or even Vietnam, but somehow a portion of our fanbase (the glory hunters) are furious about it. This is our first ever Asian Cup in 17 YEARS, yet they expect the team to perform EXACTLY like we did against non-armed Argentina months ago. That was a FRIENDLY MATCH, while this is a REAL COMPETITION, and with a total of THREE hard opponents in the same group didn't help much either. On the other hand I understand that our squad are filled with talented young guns who are still raw and not blended enough tactically and mentally, so I just want them to enjoy the moment, play well, gain experience, BUT not to lose in ease so they can shape themselves for years to come. We are definitely an underdog in this tournament, so let's just support them and reduce our expectations, Indonesian fans! I want to note that Shin Tae Yong's contract is going to be expired by June this year, and the final talks of his extension will mainly evaluated from Indonesia's performance in both Asian Cup and WC Qualifiers. Some of our local "pundits" and "fans" are now pulling the agenda of firing him despite the progress that he and his team made for these five years (minus two years of Covid). As a fan, I'm afraid this would be happened and as a consequence, the development of our national team would be stalled and have to start all over again with no real deal after it, given that our federation PSSI virtually have no real visionary roadmap for the football development in Indonesia (unlike Japan's JFA with their 100 years plan), plus some of our local "pundits", "fans", and even the "executives" inside the federation are RACIST to the half-blood/ancestry-based players. They are the same people who push for Shin Tae Yong exit while also blaming him for the lack of local players from Indonesian league in the national team, despite the quality of the league itself is low-tier.

Indonesia king of asean,champion of the galaxy,the only player tackel garnacho, remember the name,ASNAWI the javanese warrior. Indonesia bisa!! king of lato lato

🇮🇩Indonesia will break through to knock out round, just tag me😏

Underdog south east asia

Indonesia 🇮🇩

Malaysia with 14 naturalization player.

Dortmund , Syria , Palestine , China, uae , Jordan Get their ball possesion , We We take our point' back home 😎 .

and we beat vietnam

Thai here we will beat Oman and Kyrgyzstan mark my word.

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No, they don’t. That’s not because they are not talented, but that is because they don’t understand football. Specifically, they don’t know their greatest weakness and how to improve it.

Funfact no one ever favorited indonesia to go through the final tournament

hes malaysian no doubt haha

Gue setuju banget... Timnas Indonesia masih bisa lolos serta juara piala donia. Indonesia udah level donia... Nga lagi di peringkat Asia. Timnas Indonesia tim terkuat G20 dikalangan Asean.

The indonesian fan in the comment section are not chill. The fact that they cant beat philipine and at least draw with iraq and libya(latest friendly) show how bad their defense and they also not very effective in scoring goal. But the underdog title is something that they can utilize it to snatch a win or draw against big team

Iraq won 5-1 because Iraq played at home, which Indonesia did not prepare and the problem was that many of the players were late because they were still playing at their clubs, and there were main players who were injured. when playing against Philippines, Indonesia is not in good condition, especially since the long journey from Iraq to the Philippines, and Indonesian players are not used to playing on synthetic grass. Every time Indonesia plays at the Rizal Memorial Stadium Manila, they always play badly, even if they win, they only have a 1 goal difference.

NO

Australia is also a part of the Southeast Asian sub confederation.... Why did you leave them out? Go Australia 🦘🦘🦘🐨🐨🐨

Indonesian team will surprised you...

Iran won Burkina Faso 2 1 , Qatar lost to Jordan 1 2 today, I want watch how South Korea will play against Iraq . if they draw then Iran can beat South Korea in the quarter-final :)

We didn't play with the best squad when in Iraq and the Philippines we lost Marselino and Ivar, we were jetlagged and had to adapt to the synthetic grass of the Philippines. At that time it was very difficult for our squad in Indonesia because we lost 2 players at that time and it felt very empty but we are back

Indonesia is hopeless. will go home early. their naturalizes squad is from lower grade player. no teamwork, no spirit to win. their coach is not very tactical minded. adding salt to the wound,they will face a mighty contender 100 times better than them.i bet they will get thrashed by japan and iraq

Final malaysia vs Iran, Iran win 2-1 😅 coach Kim pan gon brilliant chose malay players most faster and naturalisasi players defender

malaysia let'go

2018 Malaysia beat Korea 2-1

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As a malaysian, i can tell you if our defends and goalkeeper doesn't smoke any weed before the game, we can go very far in the tournament.. but the problem is, they are always fucking high during the match.. they always wonder around like a zombie on the field.. in almost every game they conceded goals..annoying as fuck..

As 25% Vietnam patriot , 3 games , 1 win againts Indonesia , 2 draw Pretty possible if we Fighting till our last breath . Or atleast 1-1-1. Or the worst 1-0-2 Vietnam still able to qualify , They don't let Iraq & Japan score too much Goals .

Vietnam is the king of Southeast Asean. We will be the only one to qualify into the next round❤❤

1-Japan 2-Korea 3-Iran 4-soudi Arabia 5-Australia

ASEAN are just spoiled the beauty of Asian football😂😂

Indonesia : "I'm probably gonna be close to go to round of 16." Japan and Iraq : "No you're not."

Why do all RU-vidrs wearing Japan T-shirt and predicting Japan and South Korea in the Final ? were not the same people doing the same things for Senegal in the World Cup ? every time people are doing this I feel they all see opposite what they expect ! leave the like if you are agree .

Malaysia will win this Asia cup for sure..Our league team JDT which consist majority of our national team easily beat Korean top team Ulysan Hyundai many time ,draw with Kawasaki and beat Kashima Antler.. Also dont forget JDT beat top Bulgarian and Russian team in pre season friendly..What else? Even our mid tier league team Terengganu beat Australian top team Central Coast Mariner in the AFC cup.. Now all these top players getting together to hunt down entire Asian team and nobody can deny Malaysian chance to even beat Korea and Japan since we already beat their top league team countless time..Just look at our current national friendly record and you should understand that 130 ranking only on paper when in the reality ,we can easily challenge and hold any team below 100 ranking in Asia..Even Saudi afraid to play friendly for pre match and cancel in the last minute cause they feel we can win the group and face them in final 16.. Hope to meet Qatar in final and humiliate the host themself infront their own crowd..💪

Vietnam is the strongest south-east Asian if we exclude Australia

Indonesia Thailand and Vietnam beat each other ... Maybe Vietnam is the strongest

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ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6EOHLfUTtR8.html have you watched this match? Indonesia vs Argentina? If you think Indonesia is a team whose players are still "babies" Why is it difficult for Argentina to score goals against Indonesia? Why does Coach Scaloni look so nervous when he hasn't scored? Argentina players all play in elite clubs. Meanwhile, the Indonesian starting eleven here is an average age of U22 and not from an elite club. List of starting eleven for Indonesia against Argentia: Ernando (21 yo) Asnawi (23 yo) Elkan Baggott (20 yo) Rizky Ridho (20 yo) Ivar Jenner (19 yo) Marselino Ferdinand (18 yo) Shayne Pattynama (24 yo), Dimas Drajad, (26) Rafael Struick (20 yo) Marc Klok (30 yo) Jordi Amat (31 yo) *their age when they face Argentina in June 2023.