Ask Kevin: What about Scholars Who Deny that the Bible Condemns Homosexual Practice? 

True, like hating gay people despite the commandment love thy neighbor.

I hope The Lord can change your heart.

​@@pogolaughfundamental baptists (at least) say that only applies to saved Christians and not "reprobates"

no its not....zakar is male not boy....

⁠​⁠@@bethalphafrom what I’ve learned and now know, zakar = male = boy because they used the translated “men/man” for grown men. I could be wrong; I’m still researching this.

You don't think homosexuality existed back then? You know there were Roman emperors who had transgender "mistresses" right? It was rampant back then.

@@HotelCharliHill It's you who are missing the point. Of course they existed. People just didn't know lesbians and homosexuals existed. They only knew their certain kinds of sex went on, and that's because they thought people were giving themselves over to their lusts and it was "abnormal" because they thought everyone was heterosexual.

"Biblical scholars are generally not experts in the field and are unreliable regarding it." Bible scholars and those with a PhD in Theology can be viewed as scholars of mythology.

Homosexuality is described quite plainly in the biblical text. Expert or no expert it's undeniable that what is described in Romans 1 is between men and not some form of child prostitution. They didn't have words for homosexuality in ancient times. Paul pretty much had to either describe the action or create a word that would accurately translate as homosexual.

The problem with that whole line of reasoning of a "creation mandate" is the question: Who was the directive directed at? (Remembering the Bible is always Explicit and Never Implicit) The text says "And God blessed them (Adam and Eve), and God said unto them (Adam and Eve), Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." (Gen. 1:28 KJV). Rather, the text makes clear that God told ADAM AND EVE to be fruitful and multiply. Rather there is nothing in that text that has anything to do with the Children of Israel (e.g. the Jews) or the N.T. Church.

​@@Harlem55 There is a problem with taking things too literal. If God means that only Adam and Eve were to be fruitful and multiply using the argument "He never said: Mankind: Be fruitful and multipy Adam and Eve would have gotten as many children as physically possible in their very long life. However after the flood we still had only Noach, his wife, his 3 children and their 3 wives. Since God did not tell Noach and those with him: Be fruitful ad multiply that would have been the end of humanity. Taking things 100% literal is a contradiction here as it takes the first part literal but it ignores the part: replenish the earth and subdue it. That is not possible with that limited number of children. Adam and Eve represent humanity. God says therefore to humanity: be fruitful and multiply. However he is not requiring every human to be fruitful and multiply. It is not a sin if a person is not following this text: be fruitful and multiply. Paul is a good example of that I think. Although he probably was married before he started his apostolic work and he is likely to have had children then as well so I think. That said: Paul himself said: I hope people are like me. He referred to him being single so not having a wife and children for whom he otherwise had to take care of. I am happy that Tim Matteson said that "the creation mandate" is not necessarily a mandate but rather a blessing and that the Bible text clearly uses the vocabulary of blessing. "And God blessed them and God said unto them". That sounds very different from: "And God commanded them and said:". That said it is just sad that a verse like Genesis 1:28 can mean something so radically different to two sets of people who both love Jesus and who both have a love for the Bible. I do get the impression though that God condemns those who refuse to accept that God is not giving a command but a blessing. People who interpret Genesis 1:28 to mean a command end up in a whole list of Christian topics in a legalistic way which also impairs the establishment of Christian community so those people are more inclined to end up being alone instead of being in Christian community. At the same time I can't really admit that people who see Geneis 1:28 as a blessing instead of a command end up being open to Christian community. Still on balance I think that the people who see Genesis 1:28 as a blessing will end up being the ones who are creating strong loving Christian communities. The Bride of Jesus Christ on Earth in groups of Christians all over the World who love Jesus and who put Him above everything else.

@@MrTheomatics the problem with that is that it is first very clearly a command: the sentence "be fruitful and multiply" is an imparitive such that it requires us to insert our own reasoning into the text where we ought not to be able to interpret the text otherwise. Rather the Bible does not change and we must take heed to the features of thw text as the Bible is to be interpreted by rule of textualisim and originalism. Adam and Noah were more or less in the same situation such that the same directive would apply since the earth was in a depopulated state. However: it we all follow the command in the here and now in the literal sense we would quickly get overpopulation as a result. (Think if everyone in china had children just to three generations- how many people is that?). Such that we look to the totality of the circumstances of the person to whom the command is directed at the time the command was given as to determine the underlying intent of the command such that we applt it to like facts and circumstances. However- fruitfullness and mulriplication requires many different roles as a saltwater aquarium demonstrates: we have fish in saltwater aquariums that provide suppoetive roles that allow other fish to continue to multiply without causing the saltwater ecosystem to collapse. If we were to eliminate homosexuality from our ecosystem what might the effects be? It well might not be the effects one might expect given that we dont entirely know the proximate function of homosexuality upon our own ecosystem such that to remove it might well cause that system to become diseased in unexpected ways or worse. Rather we must be mindful that w do not exist in history such as to apply history rightfully to the current world in which we live.

It was though which is why it’s referenced as so.

@@Harlem55 Where does the text say that it is always explicit?

First one is wrong In other languages, it's actually not women, but boy

The word “homosexual” did not appear in the Bible until 1946. The original Leviticus verse 18:22 states that “a man shall not lie with *young boys* as he does with a woman”. Referring to pedophiles. It translates the same in both verses. In early versions of the German Bible, they used the word knabenschander,not homosexual. Knaben is boy, schander is molester. This word “boy molesters” for the most part carried through the next several centuries of German Bible translations. Knabenschander is also in 1 Timothy 1:10. In 1674 Swedish translation and 1830 Norwegian translation also said “boy abuser/boy molesters”.

According to google the word homosexual was first used in 1868 but the Bible was apparently created around the 7th century, So I’m not sure how the word homosexual can be used for so long without being discovered if the original bible did contain these text

The first one meant that cheating is bad not LGBTQ is bad do a research first the word homosexual isn't in the bible too stop spreading lies

@@tlw6932 mhm

Actually there’s no evidence that God created marriage at all. And I think it’s a bit.. disingenuous to say that consent isn’t a relevant factor. The difference between slavery and an internship is consent. And you’re right to condemn pedophiles but you’re wrong to group Queer people into that category and wrong to condemn Queer people by proxy.

@@Grokford Oh boy.... God literally oversaw and ordained the very first marriage of a man and a woman.

@@HotelCharliHill So goes the claim, but where does scripture say anything of the sort?

@@Grokford From Genesis to Revelation. If you can't see it, you never will.

@@HotelCharliHill No duchess you are making a specific claim about a specific event that happened to specific people at a specific point in time. Where does scripture describe this event? If it is so dreadfully obvious then it should be simple for you to dredge up some textual support for this not-so-wild claim. If you’re not prepared to bring proof then, by all means excuse yourself.

can you also justify fornication for me, so i can feel good sinning? thanks.

"The passage which most people use to condemn homosexuality occur solely in the Holiness Code of Leviticus, a ritual manual for Israel‘s priests. Their meaning can only be fully appreciated in the historical and cultural context of the ancient Hebrew people. " According to the Bible, that commandment is from god. So you are arguing that the god of the Bible was too stupid to hand down laws ( commandments) that would be moral at all times in all cultures.

Except that God never approved of any form of homosexuality to his worship or for his people to enjoy, and that denies anything else you want to extrapolate to justify any form of homosexuality.

@@KingSardius there's a lot he never "approved of" that even his most devout follower still do including you I bet. God's demands are unachievable.

@@gabrielamaya2964 God’s demands regarding a life of willful sin is achievable, that is why Jesus and the apostles ask for it.

reading this feels like homework

@@caljeff2427 Imagine that. We ought have read the text and about the cultural and historical backdrop of the text before we claim the text teaches or is against something. Anything short of that is intellectually dishonest and rather lazy. The mere fact that half the population reads and comprehends at a third grade level only testifies to the failure of education, especially K-12 public education, which is only complicated by the gender-bending theory which in no way has anything to do with homosexuality because it is not homosexuality except by such a diffuse and generalized standard that it becomes intellectual mush. Simply put, the current manner of sex education is probably something we shoulnt be entertaining unless we want to have the police throwing fetal remains in the dumpster because of an alleged coathanger incident. Gay anal whoredom vs. Heterosexual coat hanger incident: Which might we suppose God might judge as the lesser evil within the purview of common sense? Or do we not extracate our cow from the pit on the Sabbath?

I agree that the interpretations of the Levitical clobber verses are mangled but where I disagree is that it doesn’t matter because we do not observe Levitical law and neither are we supposed to. Paul actually on multiple occasions specifically tells people not to follow Levitical law, “But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬ and homophobic people don’t follow Levitical law either way.

@@Grokford Christ made clear that he did not abolish the law apart from what the cross makes inapplicable. Cf. Matt 5:17, however judgment begins in the house of God, Cf. 1 Pet. 4:17 which ye are. Cf. 1 Cor. 6:19-20. Christ is not a mediator between man and God because Christ is God. Cf. Romans 9:5, Titus 2:13, Collosians 2:9. Being the house of God we are called to discern what the law is and to observe it as not to trample the blood of Christ, yet we must also beware of false judgment, since we are to lean not to our own understanding Cf. Proverbs 3:5-6. Therefore, we must be careful to read the law exactly for what it is and is not, as not to insert non-textual meaning not intended by the author by way of any supposition.

@@Harlem55 ""Clear"", That is a word that I hate, especially in these discussions Galatians 5:1-6 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Hebrews 8:6-7,13 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another... *By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.* We're not supposed to follow Levitical Law, Even if we were, we certainly aren't.

" If you’re struggling with God and homosexuality, " No need for such a struggle. So far no evidence for god has been shown.

@@cnault3244 You realize of course that that is unhelpful to Queer people who do believe in God right?

@@Grokford You realize of course that you haven't presented any evidence for a god right?

@@cnault3244 Yes, because as relavant as it might be that God does or doesn't exist the question does not help most people who have already made up their minds. Moreover, even if you don't believe in God that doesn't mean that there is no emotional value in unraveling a cultural myth that let to internalized shame in the first place.

This was not an argument of what to do with homosexual sin and temptation from demonic forces as well as the flesh, it was a refutation regarding the use of the Greek word arsenokoitēs

Brother in Christ. God speak in parables. You need to understand that a lot of scripture is not mean to be taken literally. The discernment some of you claim to have is just not there. He was referring to rape and pedophiles. You can’t say things are “strictly Bible based” when the Bible itself is a collection of stories. His words do change as the New Testament changes a lot. Hebrews 8:13, ESV: In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13, KJV: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. You can’t tell me Gods design was to make guys like me suffer and for guys like you to have your “cake and eat it too” you’re no better than me so why can’t I experience love. The issue people seem to undoubtly forget is there are only 3 mentions in the Bible of homosexuality and they are all misinterpreted by people like you. You know why? Because it has nothing to do with you actually believing it, it’s your personal belief. You haven’t experience what I’ve experienced. It’s easy for you do say what you say. There’s more mentions of sins between men and women in the Bible. What’s that say?

It’s very clear if you ignore the mistranslations and the fact that we’re not supposed to follow Leviticus law.

@@jacobquiroz6468 ‭‭-Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭9‬-‭10‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” ‭‭ ‭‭Mark‬ ‭10‬:‭6‬-‭9‬ ‭ESV “But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”” ‬‬ I understand you brother, I also understand where you’re coming from. I simply cannot agree with you. When we read, we have to understand the context of what we’re reading. That is why we must study. Men having relations with men, and women having relations with women in an obsolete way, completely goes against the oracles of god. A woman was designed for a man. Which is why two men cannot procreate. Now women want to be men, and men want to be women (transgender association). As a nation we have completely gone against the oracles of god, rebuild against his teachings. Our nation has turned into Sodom and Gomorrah completely. And will be destroyed at a time that no man knows, because of disobedience. If you don’t know now, that homosexuality goes against the oracles of god. You will find out later. I am more sure of that than I am sure I am going to wake up tomorrow.

Because two men can’t enjoy the love of friendship without it becoming sexual…

@@jamesfoley6939 Their Love was Sexual!!

@@willgraham8878 how so?

@@willgraham8878what does it matter? Homosexuality cannot produce children within themselves thus bringing about low numbers in a civilization over time in which puts that civilization of the risk of being easily wiped out… numbers matter and homosexuals do not produce them… god says be fruitful and multiply… there’s no multiplying in homosexuality… it’s crazy how people don’t understand this…

@@noneofyourbusiness792 It's crazy that "You" don't understand some very high Truths. The Bible states in various verses throughout, that the Father YHWH and His First Begotten Son YESHUA, created the Heavens and the Earth and ALL things therein. Last time I checked these Divine Beings are both MALE Energies, YANG Entities!! NO FEMALE WAS NEEDED to Create Heaven and Earth and ALL things therein. What does that leave out?? Everything was "Spoken" into Existence with Divine Words!!! Coming down to a much lower plane of existence we have Humans who Do need a Woman to create at least another Human. But there is much more to creation than just making more humans. There are Many Aspects and Levels of LOVE and its Expression!! There is no need to fear that slowly humans would not be replentished with new generations of humans because only a fraction of humans are intrinsically Gay. It is Not a Choice contrary to many Christians who advance that argument!! There are also clear ways to tell if the relationship Jonathan and David had was only Brotherly Love or if it was a Love that included sexual expression of that Love. Do you Know how to do that??? In addition there are other Love relationships in the Bible such as the one Danial had with the Prince of the Eunuchs! Daniel Never married and he was one of YHWH's most beloved Prophets!!! Other gay relationships beyond these 2 are also in the Bible. I guess you overlooked them as do Most Christians. Most Christians are nothing more than CINO's. Christian-In-Name-Only. Similar to RINO's that just carry forward the Traditions of men, the views and beliefs of previous generations without bothering to check if what they are being told is true really is!!! How well to you really know the Bible? And why do you use as your text title "noneofyourbusiness" that's so coarse, off putting and nasty. At the least your first name would be nice. Are you that Afraid and in Hiding??

That’s actually correct… no one should use the book to justify hate… I gotta ask though… if you say you are an atheist… how do you justify your morality to be able to tell someone what anyone should do with the Bible?

@@noneofyourbusiness792 Nope, you don't debate in good faith at all and you gaslight when called out. Not doing it again, have a good life but open your eyes to the possibility of being wrong. I force myself outside of my comfort zone and grow by trying to see the world through the eyes of others; I ask nothing more or less of anybody else, you just want to be agreed with.

@@teahdurst7856 I have opened my eyes to many possibilities of being wrong… I also operate in reality… there is nothing wrong with understanding through the eyes of others… you’re interested in people… I get that… however reality still matters… and it’s important to know not just the short term affects of the actions of a person… but also the long term affects as well… I wish you the best in life and though we disagree I would never have any hatred or anger towards you for any decisions you make in life or your beliefs… there is no need for it…

Animals aren't humans so what they do doesn't matter.

Many animals also eat their own kids, what’s your point?

Spiders eat their husband after procreating, many bears eat their own cubs. Do we pattern ourselves after animals?

@@StephenRubinosky It’s not about role models it’s about what is natural and what is sin. If heterosexuality was a universal need then homosexuals would not exist in animals, and yet it does.

We aren't animals and those are rare, poor examples, almost exclusively exercised purely for show of dominance and never about "a relationship"

God created me a fornicator, so my sins are fine too.

You aren't alone guys God made me a adulterer

@@TechXV7 correct sin is a choice

@@TechXV7 a minority who are being killed, are you from a muslim country?

That's why you must be born again.

With the 100% guidance of the holy spirit..

@@youthchristianity_ And apparently this holy spirit is immoral. There are many commandments ordering you to kill people ( homosexuals, adulterers, people who worked on the sabbath, etc).

Man also made god, so it goes hand in hand.

Written by men, inspired by God’s word

@@thegentlymad5769 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3hWiW8eooF0.html The entire argument was poorly summarized to say the least. He completely left out that it's misinterpreted entirely. If you want to rely on a horrifically immoral religion, at least know it thoroughly. There are passages that CONDONE homosexuality, watch the video in the link provided for sources.

We live in a world that people call good evil and call evil good. The fact that in the bible, no man married a man should tell us it is absolutely wrong. We can do whatever we choos to do and still call ourselves Christians but when Christ returns: true believer will be reavel.

@@Isaiah-xs5jl the bible also said beastiality, rape, slavery, infanticide, homicide, genocide, etc was allllllllll fine as long as god commands it- which he did, OFTEN. Sooooooo.... being gay doesn't seem so bad imo. Might want to actually read that book. Funny what you people will actually put up with in your religion. Lets have a little bible session shall we? Let's see what this 'loving god' actually looks like... A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19). God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear: It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17) 1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so. 2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB) 3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB) 3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB) 3c) “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB) 4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 “Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB) 5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7) 6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27) 7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18 8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17). But don't forget... gay is bad... 🤦‍♀️

@@ShinyNix86 I am on phone so my reply is briefer than I would prefer as I can't see your message while I am typing mine. Your argument is that homosexuality is okay because other things that seem horrible are okay to you in the Bible, firstly the Bible does not suggest a fetus is property, if you read that whole passage from exodus 21 it says if the baby is not harmed the man must pay a fee but if he kills the child in the womb he is to die, which is the opposite of the meaning trying to be stretched from the verse. Your first verse quotation is entirely twisted to mean something it clearly conveys the opposite of, as for the other verses which are hyperbole and God's command. God is allowed to do with human life what he wants as he created us and he knows what will become of us. The Bible is very clear about 2 things, Abortion is murder, and homosexuality is a sin, but there is good news! Repent and seek forgiveness from our Lord and savior Jesus Christ

@@coolaleco8568 then your god is EVIL and I don't worship evil. Plain and simple. If I am more moral than your god he doesn't deserve anything from anyone. If he, she, or it doesn't like that, they can tell me. So far, i haven't heard anything.... I bet you are more moral than the god you worship. I think, if god is real, he isn't actually this evil. Imagine this as a parent. Would you tell a parent they can do whatever to a child? Murder the child? Rape the child? They made the child. What's different from than and what you said about your god? If your god is truly loving, and caring he would never have made people to suffer and go to hell just for being created that way. There's sooooo much wrong with everything you just said and it just is so utterly heartbreaking you live your life with so much hate towards people for literally being born the way god obviously intended. That's just sick. There's truly no excuses for that. Truly. I wouldn't make excuses for a parent, or any human to treat anyone, even animals in the way you give your god permission to treat humans. Thank goodness he's not real. (I'm not in anyway saying a god isn't real, just a god that evil or as inconsistent.)

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3hWiW8eooF0.html Homosexuality was actually condoned in the original scripture... dgbx6 is correct.

Where does the Bible say positive things about being gay? It doesn't!

X If you’re basing your world view solely on biblical backing, then I’d love to have a deep discussion on the morality of mass fishing and hydroelectric power plants. Can’t say I’ve heard any biblical reasoning on supporting/not supporting either one of those

Fishing is mentioned quite a bit in the Bible.

@@HearGodsWord Yeah but what about mass fishing to the point of extinction is more where I was going with that. I.E. an issue that simply was unfathomable to the people at the time of Jesus. Same for hydroelectric power plants. It's those morally ambiguous things where on the one hand great harm can come to the environment while on the other hand great good can come to humanity. Which is more important in the eyes of God? And regardless of how well you engineer your way through it, the harmful effects of these items can never be fully mitigated is the issue, at least not practically speaking. Fish farms can't supply the fish needs for a nation the size of china for instance and damming rivers can lead to issues ranging from induced earthquakes to loss of salmon breeding grounds.

How?

The bible only affirms marriage between a man and woman

I'm open to hearing how. That take will need some explanation.

I'm very curious to hear an explanation...

At this point , we can all agree: the explanation will never come.