"In a world without gold, we might have been heroes." One of the best phrases I've ever heard. An apt quote that's not only appropriate for pirates, but humanity in general.
TRIMC95 pirates do what they do for money or back then, gold, but the thing is, they wanted freedom and peace to the world, but their want for gold got in the way.
***** the quote reminded me of the Hobbit book, there's a similar one in it: "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. "
This game would be pretty stupid if the pirates won,I mean the Englishman had an empire and I don't think that they would lose against some little pirates.
Holycow RDR Depends. As an Albanian we had an Albanian national hero legend called Gjergj Kastrioti. He resisted together with his Albanian men againts the big Ottoman empire for 25 years, he won almost every battle except for 2, those 2 he lost was dou too treason If you have the brains and the balls then why not.
I'm just going to add in the fact that Edward named his dog Thatch later in his life. Honestly broke my heart realizing that Edward most likely saw Thatch die twice, his dear friend and his beloved pup just before he himself died in the templar assault.
IRequiem greed is what drove them in life to achieve their goals for selfish purposes. Had they put the same effort towards more meaningful and just causes for the good of others, they would've been considered heroes rather than just pirates.
Blackbeard was one of the last pirates that actually wanted to fight for Nasau...but he fell in combat he would have definitely been a hero in a world without gold RIP Captain Ed Thatch
The voice actor for Blackbeard fit his role perfectly and smoothly. I'll never forget the words he said before he died. "In a World without Gold, we might have been Heroes"
The Hidden well actually Kenway is welsh. And yes Thatch is British but he rose above the corruption and dishonesty of the British empire. And all British people of that time in fact.
True. But this is the saddest game. Sadder than Assassin's Creed II. Heck, EVERYONE except Anne Bonny died and it's not like a relief either. Thatch was going to retire and wanted good for Nassau and died because of it. Mary Read's purpose was better than the Templar's and she died, so did Anne Bonny's baby. What I feel the most sad about is Edward. He just wanted money and ended up losing all his friends (except Anne Bonny) and even his wife died (I don't need to mention that his wife still loved him), etc. It was the saddest game I've played.
I know! I've played the full game and everyday I cant get it out of my head with. Blackbeard's death, Mary's death, vanes death. But at the end is were it really brakes ur heart in happy ways💝
+eChristBC I agree. I liked the effect where you could hear pretty much only the music, and what was happening around you wasn't so loud as it would be to others that didn't see the death. (best explanation ever) When Poor Thatch fell down, I started tearing up and shouted NOOOOOO!!! Then I went on a serious British killing spree with victims 300 soldiers including the crew of almost 40 ships. It took me 2 months to actually get over it and understand that it was only a game death. Rest in peace.
In this section, Kenway must’ve been feeling like absolute shit. Blackbeard gets killed right before his retirement, Rackham turns on him and he’s forced to kill Vane. And on top of that, he finds out that Hornigold betrayed him and Nassau
And then he was betrayed,locked up,and lost one of his last close friends, and it took this for him to realize where he fucked up😭😭(he didn't kill Vane btw)
SoundsToLife Well, we know when he dies since it tells us the year in the first Animus entry given. Though unless we read the novel Assassin's Creed: Forsaken, we can only guess on the process of Edward's demise.
SoundsToLife yeah he did die.. but what made me feel bad for him is that he was alive when his friends died , believe me its easier to die than to see those you love die infront of u
***** And with it, the near extinction of the Assassins. Makes me wonder if Connor does anything to revive the order. Could be another book opportunity. :3
Karolis Tomkūnas Ya!!! It took ezio 3 games but some butthurt ezio fans don't want to accept this...Look at The kenways just 1 game and they became so popular specially Edward.....Ubisoft has even hinted that they might bring Edward back for one last adventure This is called impact as fans want him to return....But some retarded fans of ezio don't want to accept that Edward is as popular as Ezio
+Jacky Chan (SS-Sturmbannfuhrer) Wrong. He accepted the pardon, but then went for piracy in order to get enough money before retirement. He was still retiring, he just wanted to collect some gold so he could live his remaining life peacefully.
***** He went back to sea only for weeks, he just wanted to collect a little more gold so he could retire peacefully with a lot of money to live his remaining life. He didn't go back to Piracy, he just delayed his retirement to weeks.
One of the thing I LOVE about this game is the fact that everything that happens is true. 1. Thatch was killed at Ocracoke during an ambush. 2. Hornigold DID betray his pirate friends and became a Pirate Hunter. 3. Rackham actually mutinied to overthrow Vane. 4. Vane did go insane on Isla Providencia before being captured. 5. Read died in prison shortly after giving birth, while Anne managed to escape.
Damn man, this is one of the moments where AC IV shines as AC III did in terms of story and emotion. When Blackbeard was shot in his face he continued... it was an awesome death... awesome, but too early.
Jack is usually that way, but saying that he'd save Blackbeard is pretty ironic, considering he chose to kill him in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.
Adewale: What of Thatch sir? Did he fall? Edward: .... Adewale: Captain? Edward: ...He drinks damnation. This is one of the most emotional moments in video game history y'all! What's the OST at the end, when Edward is sailing away?
I think what really hits home is how this doesn't just signal the end of arguably the most likeable pirate in the game, or even Kenway's friends falling, but the end of the Golden Age of Piracy. Nassau, the first attempt at real, true democracy in the New World becomes occupied by the British, the leading pirates of the age either being killed off or turning traitor...such a colourful period snuffed out by the powers that be.
I'm not saying anyone's a bad guy or a good guy. I think merely designating a real person or group of people as 'good guys' or 'bad guys' is evidence of a very ignorant and narrow mind. I simply believe that pirates were very grey, morally speaking, with Blackbeard being the best example - a man who committed crimes, but with a reluctance to do so. Many pirates were like that, as sailing and fighting were all that they knew. Many more were like Charles Vane, who were simply bullies lashing out at the world. There is no clear cut definition.
***** Did you know the *only* time Blackbeard was ever recorded to have killed was in the battle of his death? He would certainly *threaten* it, but people respected him and feared him, so it was more of a, "Continue playing nice and you live, start making trouble and you die." He probably would have kept to his honor and his word, but he did not ever have to. Like I said, the only record of him ever killing was his final battle, which only happened because Governor Charles Eden tempted him back into piracy and gave him the Adventure, which caused Alexander Spotswood to hire Robert Maynard to hunt him. Blackbeard was going to retire, then Maynard hunted him down and attacked. Blackbeard defended himself by killing plenty of Maynard's men, but after sustaining 20 cuts and 5 shots, he was *just* about to kill Maynard when a random soldier cut his neck, distracting him long enough for a second slice to sever his head.
Seeing his friend’s head being lopped off fucked Edward up. I honestly think this point of the story should have waken him up more than Mary, but I understand why they chose it to be Mary
And as if good ol' Blackbeard wasn't badass enough, there are actually stories that say his headless body swam three times around the ship, before climbing back on to continue fighting. Other stories say the body just swam around the ship before sinking to the ocean's depths. Whatever story you choose, they all show how badass Blackbeard was.
I'd say 2 is still a bit better. It had better villains at least and you somehow felt more connected with Ezio than with Edward, at least in my opinion.
"In a world without gold, we might've been heroes." Men that have fought hard and worked hard for the freedom and prosperity they thrived to obtain from under the king. And on the verge of retirement, the man that some had thought of as a tyrant, and some had thought of as a legend, fell in a valiant final stand against the kings men. Blackbeard wanted to die as a retired captain, tucked away in his final vacation. Instead, his opportunity to finally rest his life away was taken by England, and he died as a valiant Pirate, still swinging his sword in the name of freedom. May he rest in peace, and may the memories we all shared in following his and Edward's adventures live on forever. Blackbeard: "Caution's nothing without charisma! For if a man plays a fool, it's only fools he'll persuade. But appear to be the devil, and all men will submit." Edward: "And would you be the devil then?" *Blackbeard smiles and puts on his smoking hat* Blackbeard: "For an audience, aye..."
Have you read up how he actually died? It's astounding, I've collected about what I could piece together from various sites and accounts, not all are well credited but the fact of how many wounds he had is even across the board and that he had a large neck wound early on: During what is believed to be Thatch's retirement party that lasted several days as he prepared to put down the black flag for good, he was finally hunted down by the English, and he put up a full fight worthy of his name as he was cornered near his favorite hideout, "Thatch's Hole," on the island of Ocracoke in North Carolina. He had not put up a lookout as he had little expectation of an attack with almost his entire crew drunk. Upon spotting the two English sloops approaching he quickly unleashed his sloop, the Adventurer, into action, firing off its ten cannons into one of the two British ships, instantly disabling it and killing twenty men including the commander. The other appeared to only have a skeleton crew and thus he boarded with fourteen men. However, this was soon to be discovered as a trap when from below deck sprung an overwhelming number of sixty crew. Vastly outnumbered three to one with having only been celebrating with a small crew of twenty-five men at best against the British and Highland troops, he went down fighting to the end. Even with so many against him he fought fiercely and mercilessly, appearing as "a demon fresh from the pit" engaging in combat with the lieutenant that captained the ship, Maynard. The final fight of Blackbeard was said to be spectacular and long, Thatch first being wounded by a gunshot from Maynard as he initially engaged while he pulled his own trigger but the flintlock misfired. Blackbeard staggered back at the hit but he quickly charged forth, with a single powerful swing he broke the lieutenant's blade near the hilt with his thick cutlass, knocked down and about to be run-through Maynard was only saved when two of his crew simultaneously engaged Thatch as he was shot in the back while another struck his neck from the side, forcing the pirate's death blow to miss, barely, lodging in the knuckles of the lieutenant before he was forced to engage the crew swarming him while one of Maynard's own crew tackled him away. Even as large amounts of blood gushed from his neck it only seemed to make Thatch more determined and deadly as even this still failed to stop Blackbeard as he continued to fight to the bitter end with incredible strength and ferocity, there is a gap of the account as he was broke away from Maynard but what is known is that in his final moments he had propped himself up with twenty cuts across his body, with several around his neck, and at least four bullet wounds, lying beside the railing as he forced himself up with his elbow, his flintlock raised with a swaying, blood-covered hand with his eyes and face drenched in his own blood and the blood of others, he slowly aimed at the lieutenant, but his elbow gave out and he slammed into the floor. Thatch, with so many wounds, still sprung up from the ground, fearsome and deadly with sword and flintlock in hand, staggering slightly and his head nodding downward, before being shot a fifth and final time. The massive pirate king swayed for a few moments, then collapsed and toppled to the side, lying still for a moment, rolling over, and then lying still again. For good measure his head was removed as it was the only way Maynard felt the pirate king wouldn't return from the dead and he could collect his bounty. Blackbeard's known reign lasted less than two years, in that time he plundered what is believed to be a little over forty ships, however, the tactics he used to deliberately create terror and forge his legend left an immortalized image, and his undying soul and determination would see him rise again.
Blackbeard and Kidd hit me right in the feels :'( It was also sad to see that jolly guy go off on his own adventure and how he thanked Edward for being his inspiration and friend. :(
After Blackbeard died I went to the caverns and got shitfaced then went out and blew up any British ship I found. Didn't even take the loot. It wasn't about the money.
Penny of history for your thoughts. The real Blackbeard who lived during the Pirate era of the early 1700s really was beheaded and his head was hanged and shown to the public.
If people complained about why the title was like this, can someone give me an example of a title? AC4: Black Flag An Influential/Main Character Is Caught in Fatal Altercation?
You only saw him fall on the ground, I suppose the English took his body and beheaded him later to strike fear. They still kept it historical accurate.
This was one of the saddest deaths in assassins creed, but I feel as if Blackbeard was made LESS badass in the game. In real life, he was surrounded on all sided, he took 5 bullets and 20 swords until he went down, and just to make sure, they beheaded him. But here, he gets hit down by only 2 guards, and slashed once in the back by another. this was badass, but Blackbeard not only deserved a more badass death, but irl, he got one.
Several accounts portray Blackbeard as a non violent man, who used intimidation as opposed to violence in order to get his point across. By the time the cutscene of his death starts, I can imagine he's already been stabbed and shot a few times. Also he's 40+ years old. To even hold on that long after even one shot is a miracle on its own.
Which sucks because when you think about it, he still would've been alive if he hand shoulder-checked that guy with the gun. Instead of stabbing him and killing the dude, he pushed him to the ground, giving the guy the chance to shoot Thatch in the shoulder, initiating the several shots and stabs that lead to his death.
+Tao Biaf Blackbeard had so many rumors told about him. One of the rumors said that hew as known to fall in love very easily, and he had as many as 14 wives! In a way that kind of tells a part of his softer side.
Thatchs death was even more sad than Achilles' death. To me it seemed as if Edward looked towards Thatch as a father figure if not a mentor. Like if you agree.
@TheLatiosnlatias02 Connor actually knew about adewale it was mentioned that achilles told him about the old creed and adewale was a promenint figure in those stories
@The Abcool they.. weren't talking about the Greek legend. They were talking about Achilles from Assassin's Creed III, the mentor and parental figure for Ratonhnhaké:ton or Connor Kenway.
When I played this scene for the first time, the Jackdaw was badly damaged and about to sink any second. So I needed to flee the battle as quick as possible. That, coupled with the fact that I couldn’t complete all the objectives of capturing the enemy Man-o-War, all added to the overwhelming sense of defeat and sadness of losing the most badass comrade and friend in the game. God, this game is fantastic.
I love the soundtrack when you're escaping, and it's so emotionally powerful how you see the other pirate ships sinking, and how the sounds of cannons and men shouting are all kind of faded into the background. That scene was a masterpiece!
Thatch and Mary. Broke my heart to see them die. I loved Blackbeard in particular, he felt like a full character. He has some of my favourite dialogue ever. He is funny, grandiose, scary, epic and friendly.
During the cutscene at the end of the Siege of Charles Town mission,and this one "Do Not Go Gently" along with the dialogue exchanges you see a really endearing father & son relationship between Edward & Teach / Thatch.
The Feeling after the sequence... you fucking want to sink every single enemy ship.. you see the allied pirate ships sinking and mission tells you to escape... hell
Eh, I think Edward's vengefulness depended on our reaction as the players. Sure, story wise I agree he needed to be more vengeful, but when it came to how I reacted, Edward never let a British ship get by without being blown to bits, as per my behalf.
Who would he have had vengence on? The ambush was an act of the British not the Templars. Kenway must've know he would have been no match for the entire empire had he gone on a crusade of revenge. Plus Ubisoft is bound by history, and from what I know the people involved with the ambush live long after that.
"the people involved with the ambush live long after that." Lets not go that far, this was the colonial period after all. Most probably drowned or died of scurvy after that.
This mission was so well pulled off imo. It really showed how the golden age of piracy was coming to an end, that the pirates were being overwhelmed. And the music really made it all imo.
You don't understand this isn't just fiction these pirates were sons of the King's court and were hunted down because of their part in the war. Therefore they became the legendary pirates they were known as. They were no thieves they were revolutionaries. Think twice and do research before you get so snarky.
I was so mad at Thatch's death I tried to take out all the ships in the area rather than escape, wasn't long before I realized that at least two of the ships were not losing any health, that's despite the Jackdaw's hull, ram, broadside cannons and swivel gun's upgraded to elite, was made to feel worse because I had to escape leaving those ships go on their merry way, I hate plot armor!
I went on a rampage after I escaped. Sank 3 man o wars, 8 frigates, 4 schooners and a handful of gunboats. Left no crew alive, sent the ships to the bottom. And that's not enough. I also took two forts. RIP Edward Thatch.
I think they severely lacked to show just how awesome Blackbeard was before he died. The way the real life Blackbeard died was after taking 5 gun wounds,20 cuts and stabs from swords,and having his head cut off while fighting.
SuperMicklovin It could actually be true. If he was fighting like crazy the adrenaline may have helped him keep on fighting until he was decapitated. Buuut who knows? :)
It's so sad to see Edward struggle to keep him alive, and then fail. He was trying so hard. And then "THATCH" and some death. And the best position music ever.
Wow Desmond's got a crazy family tree. Ezio was best friends with Davinci and Edward with fucking Blackbeard, Connors just perfected that line with our founding fathers.
The Assassin's Creed franchise is so brilliant. I was so sad/angry when Blackbeard died, that as soon as I got back onto the Jackdaw, I just laid waste to the rest of the entire fucking fleet.. I don't even know why I did that. It's just a video game, right? Well people ask me why I love video games so much, but the answer is so obvious: You simply cannot get the same experience and emotions when reading a novel or watching a movie. Video games bring you to a level of depth that nothing else ever can.
That's literally my kitchen name. I work at a restaurant, and we all have clever "kitchen names." One of the pretty girls has the name "Tossed Salad", the head cook has "Killer Cookie" and I have Black-Bread because of one time when I almost burned bread because I was busy talking to Tossed Salad.
I like that it isn't some generic cliche reaction. Edward didn't suddenly get a burst of adrenaline seeing Blackbeard die and killed every single soldier on the ship, then walked over to his corpse, say some sad speech etc. Edward was in so much shock, couldn't even see the guy knocking him off, could barely speak and was struggling alot against the soldiers. And ultimately in the end, couldn't even bury him.
pizzamon11 Really? I thought they did a decent job characterizing him. He's a pirate who is SO good at what he does that his very presence terrifies those around him... but all that he honestly wants is to get out of the business and to live a relatively quiet, peaceful life with what he's got now. Then, due to unfortunate circumstance, he dies fighting for the lives of his men and of his friends.
Funny thing I didn't click or even watched this. I searched Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag. And scrolled down a little bit and saw the title. I knew blackbeard died IRL but I didn't know blackbeard would die ingame. But yeah at least I don't know how he dies.
Just imagine Edward's retaliation shot like a cutscene, with the sad music playing in the background, no other sound effects, Kenway screaming with rage as the cannons tear apart the British ships, the pirates boarding the last man-o-war and slaughtering all the redcoats, the Jackdaw sailing away with the wreckage in the background, then maybe a pan over all the pirates sobbing over their loss, and a single tear goes down Edward's cheek as he stares ahead in pain and fury
When I played this mission I actually did not see the death coming (even though I'm a history buff) and do you know why? Because as a history buff I knew (know) some things. I knew the place and time was right, but when I saw the attacking fleet I thought his death would come later. Historically, he died in battle when his sloop "Adventure" ran aground in Ocracoke Inlet while trying to escape from two English Sloops, commanded by Robert Maynard. Blackbeard boarded Maynard's ship, and was killed in the battle,but not before sustaining no less than 5 gunshot wounds and more than 20 cutlass wounds. According to this game, he died when the "Jackdaw" boarded a Ship of the Line (which would have had 106-120 guns and approx. 850 crew) and he got surrounded (I wonder why!?). There were also several more ships of the line in the distance, along with at least one brig (that I saw). According to quotes by Warren Vidic in the first Assassin's Creed game, the Animus shows what REALLY happened in history, not what the "victors" wrote in the history books. Why then would Ubisoft (who is know for their historical accuracy in these games) get such a well-know event so wrong? That bothers me.
***** But for a game company known for it's historical accuracy it seems a little weird. I can see tweaks to deal with game mechanics (Viddic said in Assassin's Creed that Altair's lack of swimming was an animus glitch for example), but having a departure so far from the actual facts...
ah but you see when Vidic says "the Animus shows what REALLY happened in history" hes talking about what the player experiences. So what the game showed is whats supposed to be what really happened.
NightlyKnight This inspired me to do research. In 1718, England had 6 First Rate Ship of the Lines in service. I find it hard to fathom that Blackbeard warranted two of them, as well as four frigates. Not to mention that ships of that size would not be able to even enter the inlet (Blackbeard's sloop "Adventure" and Lt. Maynard's sloops ran aground (speaking of which, where was Maynard in this mission, napping?). Again, all three sloops ran aground. I'm not saying I don't like it, so far AC4 is my favorite of the series, I just think they could have done better. They're known for accuracy but they just threw all that out the window with this mission. Read the details of the actual battle, that would have been just as epic and not that hard to do. They may even have been able to do the real numbers of men involved. Now THAT would have been epic to play out!
Donosis1 It was either for a more cinematic approach, or so that history buffs wouldn't pretty much spoil themselves because it was exactly like his actual death.
just because of this i spent about 3 days sinking every man of war/British ship i passed, i made so much money off that rage trip, he sounded so happy to be retiring, i even cried a little at the very end
Well if you know history, you know Blackbeard dies. truth is, AC4 actually does have a lot of real events and characters, so personally I saw his death coming from the moment you meet him. Also, if you go on youtube, your gonna get spoiled. Just get used to it.
ElephantMan2048 well, yes of course black beard will die, but George Washington would die to in AC3, but it never happened in game, and I expect spoilers on youtube, but I just hate it when people put major spoilers in the titles of videos.
Anyone else had the ship upgraded enough and enough bitterness to just go out and sink EVERY ship there? Because I certainly did. Blackbeard went down, but with a whole convoy to accompany him.
