People in the comments who keep defending that ateez’s producers will always choose the voice that fits the song the “best” in their songs through this competition method fail to realize that these same producers can have bias and favoritism to certain members’ voices and that is so blatantly obvious when they keep putting yeosang and wooyoung’s voices hidden and always give them least amount of lines… you can’t even use their official positions as a defense to this issue because even wooyoung and yeosang don’t have enough dance breaks on their performances/screen time in their music videos to compensate with their lack of lines…
That isn't true. Some producers do that, but many write certain parts for certain members. The method that they are using would be perfectly acceptable if it was just a random producer working with them. Ateez has producers and writers that work with them on almost every song, so it would be much better to write parts with the members in mind instead of just having them be second priority.
that’s not true because Jongho from this very group has all his lines written for him, and Yeosang has had lines written for him in the past so why can’t they do that consistently after seeing all the backlash they’re consistently getting…
Yeosang has more than 3 seconds in Blind. ❤ In OT8 grp singing in Blind- 👑 Yeosang is dominating (before take my soul, take my heart) 🌆 (After the queen of the night, star of my eyes)- Ys and Yh are dominating. 🛸 (After HJ let's dance- Ys is dominating, then both Ys & Yh, and then Yh. ⛵ In the last group singing, OT8 is dominating. His solo lines are less, but in grp singing of blind (more than 30 seconds) - his voice is dominating.❤
I feel like if there arent assigned parts it should be way easier to give certain members more lines, like you just have to rotate who gets more lines for different songs. Instead, we have members consistently getting less lines. I used to not care cause I thought that maybe yeo and woo were choosing to have less lines, but hearing that that isnt the case and that yeo has said that he feels like maybe he just isnt progressing as a singer, is showing that this method isnt working for ateez as a whole
I was actually complaining about Minghao (Seventeen) getting very little lines, but it’s actually revealed that the boys discuss which lines they want, so maybe he just prefers less lines. 🤷♀️
It may happen but not with Yeosang: he has said he want more lines, his favourite songs are the one where he sings more, for his birthday he choose to sing 4 covers
as someone who wants to be a producer in the future, i think this is a good method. first of all, the whole group should know most of the lyrics (at least the lyrics close to their parts and the chorus) so if theyre performing a vocal only stage they can rely on the lyrics as a cue (which im pretty sure most idols do). also, parts that are depending on someones vocal tone and pronunciation at least in the rookie years is a very safe option. i do think producers should give them room to grow and allow them to try new things vocally considering theyre no longer rookies. line distribution is just a number, but what really matters is allowing growth and to show fans that they can do more than the lines they are usually given.
I don't have any problem with this method if the producers are impartial which doesn't seem the case here bcoz everytime if Hongjoong produces the songs, the line distribution is fair. But if Eden is the main producer, he messes it up. Plus, I personally think some members do some parts better than others (which is visible when they do that in case the member is absent). Also, their producing team Edenary has been using same formula since debut limiting their singing potential. There have been instances of members discovering their skills when they recorded something outside their own stuff. They're a grp, their producers should make a sound that do justice to all their voices considering they all have unique tones which they have failed to discover in 6 years
While I would love Yeosang and Wooyoung to get more lines, I trust the producers to choose the member that fits the parts the best. In the end, the song still slaps and maybe wouldn't hit the same if it was distributed a different way. It's only unfair if they aren't giving the same opportunity to all the members.
I believe the producers know the best which member is suitable for which parts... If we are really talking about equality, then producers should make songs that are suitable for every member...
I think it's impossible for every song to have an equal like distribution all the time. But I also think it's only fair they "take turns", to keep it fair to all the members
@@TeefsFm My point exactly. Something's gotta give, and I don't think it should be quality. Keeping it fair for everyone would lessen the quality of the music.
this isn’t one instance where yeosang got the least lines though. it’s been happening in 90% of their songs for six years, and wooyoung is right behind him on that too. at some point you have to acknowledge that the producers just don’t like their voices.
It's impossible to have equal line distribution, but when it happens, all the time to the same mmbr and difference is just too big then its not just a matter of oh we can't have equal line distribution in songs that's absolutely being shady against a mmbr
What people don' t understand is that an idol can have less lines if it' s compensated by different kind of spotlights. Yeosang is not considered a dancer, never praised by his team for his dancing skills( they are great). He is the main visual but rarely they give him screentime. He only had focus with Halazia..they never performed Halazia again and removed the song from concert setlists. He never had a spotlight during a main tv show. Last concerts he was the only one to not have a solo performance in the group songs. And so on..and his situation is a little better lately but still not enough
Also, if I'm not wrong, Yeosang had the lead dancer position too, but his dancing skills are severely underappreciated. He's one of the cleanest dancers I have ever seen!!
@@YoursTAngelliess 😂😂😂yeosang is severely uncoordinated he rush dances if that’s a word y’all just bias him and are too blind to notice that if he’s that good why do non Atiny’s or Koop Stan’s never notice him for his dancing they do notice the other members thou even if they are at the back if he’s so good he’d be garnering the same attention the others do y’all don’t think just because he looks good he should be the most popular and liked right you should everyone has diff types and he just might not be everybody’s cup of tea
I think they way they do it is fine, at the end of the day they have to choose the right voice for each part in order to produce the best song. That said Wooyoung and Yeosang may get less lines but their parts are always what stand out in the songs and MVs for example WY “Gracias” in Thanxx, YS deep voice and centre in Halazia, YS “No No No No No” in Work and in Crazy Form WY has the twerking part of the choreo which was all anyone talked about when the song came out. So I don’t see what the problem is 🤷🏻♀️
Equal doesn't mean fair and equal doesnt mean best. I will say tho, WonYoung ahiuld be getting some more lines as he has vocal potential, but I'd give the entire group didicated, foundational vocal training just to have them be in the best shape, vocally. WooYoung has my fave tone and I'd honestly love his main vocalist era. JongHo is mostly great, but I noticed that as of recent, he has picked up a lot of unhealthy vocak habits that lead to strain and that ruin his gorgeous tone. I also feel like they've concistently overworked his voice not only with vocally heavy and demanding songs but also by having him near or at his vocal limits a lot. Imo, he shouldn't be getting some very serious and consistent training if this is to be kept up but I'd love for other members to reach a level where they could actually pull off the vocally challenge lines. All members show potential with this, although YunHo, SeongHwa, Mingi, and YeoSang are Baritones so I'd rather look to San, HongJoon, and WooYoung for this as they're all also Tenors and have showcased range potential (especially HongJoong). There's a lot that San could pull off but his style kinda writes off certain lines, however, I've seen clips of WooYoung singing the lines I feel like San would struggle with so if he had the technique to do them well, it wouldn't be a significant issue. Also, HongJoong just feels like he'd have been one of the better singers if that was his focus (he's literally a good rapper, producer, performer, AND dancer tho like-). I will say tho, outside of JongHo (do his regression and what is demanded of him), Ateez are not in any vocal emergency state. I just think that they could probably give WooYoung more lines as there r A LOT spaces in their music where he could slot in without any significant issue. I must say tho, Ateez overall makes amazing use of their line-up for line distributions. The Baritone singers get used stylistically in a way that's easy to associate with Ateez, and their Tenor singers get utilised fairly well with their lighter tones to contrast the style that the Baritones often use.
No o don't trust them. We have heard from covers that yeosang and Wooyoung can sing very well. Seems like producers are not capable enough to use their voice and stick to giving them least lines. Will never understand ppl who defend them over speaking out abt the members who keeps hving less lines for majority of their songs
i prefer good line distribution within the album rather than just one song. it doesn’t have to be equal but there shouldn’t be a huge gap between the most n least lines of members *cough txt*
Yes and no. If their ability is somewhat similar, yes. However, if you have someone like Jongho, he's likely to get the most lines because of his ability and that's fine.
@@flaggov6949 They are saying their opinion so let them instead of dogging at everyone who doesn't agree that the producers are perfect beings. You're discrediting yeosang and wooyoung WAY too much in your replies, Jongho also shouldn't be getting only high notes all the time, it ended up affecting his health at one point so your shallow argument is invalid when saying it's fine the way it is.
para mi el argumento de que un miembro queda mas por el concepto, no sirve, si asi fuera las distribusiones serian variadas ni siempre los mismo miembros teniendo 10 segundos o menos, ademas de que no siempre los que mejor tecnica tienen o los mejores vocalistas son los que más reciben
I feel like getting to try out each part is in theory a good idea. However, if a members voice doesn’t necessarily suit the groups concept (like a softer voice in a group that does a lot of loud tracks for example), they just won’t get as many lines. It’s also interesting considering how ateez songs usually end up having the same structure, so why even have each member record each part.
I don’t see a problem with this. If songs were 100% equal line distribution I don’t know that they would sound as good. Some members voices fit different parts better. There’s also just the fact that some are not as strong vocally. It’s all about a cohesive and good sounding song at the end of the day.
This would only make sense if it were a few songs, not their whole discography. If a member’s voice somehow doesn’t work with every song, that’s when you write lyrics with them in mind (which they do for Jongho every time.)
Ateez have been working for over 6 years yet two people, who have vocal ranges very similar to others in the group, barely average 5-10 seconds of lines per song and its okay? They have had 6 whole years to figure out a way to let those members shine yet they barely get any places of note, may it be dancing or singing. In yeosangs case they didn't even support his other work like other companies do for their idols by doing PR or the bare minimum- retweeting.
I think this is the key of Ateez song and nothing wrong with this. Ateez songs sometimes like acapella or u can hear harmony layered on layered. This is doable because every member sang every part, and thus the layer produced and then one member got the leading vocal on that part. This makes Ateez unique. Also yeah i dont believe in "produce songs like that every member got their suitable part", because let the member sing entire song sometimes give them extra highlight on new things he achieved, maybe he is sub vocal, and not capable of that high note but somehow his high note working there, this ia possible if get a xhance to sing that part. If yeosang get a line from san's part it would be tremendous, because yeosang doesnt need to be like yeosang part always. I am not good at english, i hope u understand
Good line distribution doesn’t mean everyone gets the same amount of lines. Some lines sound better depending on who’s singing and some producers would have the members sing a majority of the song and then choose what part to give to who (ex-momoland member Daisy explained it this way in a video, you can search for it). Good line distribution is giving everyone the lines that fit them, and not giving them lines they wouldn’t sound their best in. Giving them lines where they won’t sound good or just doesn’t complement their voice may lead to backlash anyway because X member didn’t sound so good in X song etc etc. My opinion only.
This only makes sense if there’s not a six year long consistent issue with it. If you have zero songs that fit a member’s voice after six years, that’s when you start writing some lyrics with their voice in mind (like the producers have been doing with Jongho from the start.)
that is actually how they usually distribute lines, the producer listens to all members singing then decides who sings which part but more often, i feel like whatever is the producer's last decision the higher ups in the company force their opinions and make changes to push some members which leads to other members not getting what they deserve, i noticed this especially in jyp, in twice jeongyeon is the best lead vocalist, she is a better vocalist than nayeon and i will fight anyone who says otherwise but because jyp obviously prefers nayeon and her nasal voice she gets the most lines in every song even more than jihyo, in straykids minho has a sweet voice and a healthy technique and he showed massive improvement, he could easily be a part of the vocal racha and he is a better vocalist than jeongin ( fight me again) but still he gets so little lines in almost all of their songs, i could understand that his voice does not suit the style of their songs but their have been many occasions where there was parts that definety suits his voice color but they were given to hyunjin ( a rapper) instead, in blackpink also jisoo is the best vocalist after rosé and anyone who thinks jenny is better is a fool, and yet she gets less lines than jenny the rapper again, the fairest company when it comes to line distribution has always been and still is SM and that's because they care about the quality of their songs more
Choreography also plays a part in line distribution. It's not as simple as giving any line to anyone. They also have to match it to the choreo. And it's not that hard to memorize the entire song, it's just a song
People have to understand who can sing live In studio everyone is standing and sing better but when you are in front of people singing and dancing is hard Woyoung is a main dancer and yeosang is visual kn my opinion its good decision to give mist singing parts to those who can sing
@@YoursTAngel you learn how to sing and you have naturally talented in singing both are different things You know tthe term main vocalists lead vocalists and sub vocalists and just vocalists Everyone have different skills so acording to their skill give those parts
@@AajkyaPakaon Ik about skills, Yeosang's trained to be a singer. And all of Ateez learnt how to sing, even Jongho. Yeosang always wanted to be a singer & he sings beautifully, his range is different bcoz he's a lyric baritone (just like Taehyung from BTS) which is quite rare, especially in kpop. It's not him who lacks, but the Producers, especially Eden, who don't do justice to their unique vocal tones. That's why they get better parts in Japanese releases or the songs that Hongjoong produces. Also, by your logic, even Yunho & Seonghwa shouldn't get much parts bcoz they're also just vocalists & not main or lead vocal
@@YoursTAngel yeah they all wanted to be singers but things are different what you want or what you cant even you push yourself too hard If we talk about general kpop songs all groups have to sing while dancing hard so when people who are not built to be vocally strong so they will feel difficulty while singing and dancing Like jongho cant dance hard because he have to sing vocally difficult parts So when producers or chorographers split parts between members they have to keep in mind that members will do justice to thier parts and on bigger stages they can perform easily
this is ironic because both wooyoung and yeosang are some of the most consistently live singers in the group. some members don’t sing live much (san) but are still given more lines 😂
I think even one Enhypen members mentioned regarding this that they sing the whole part considering there is no permanent rapper in the group and then producers decide which part a member should get. I don't see anything wrong in that..bcoz producers and the agency kind of have a vision of what the songs should sound like...
what i am about to say will sounds bad but yeosang and wooyoung hve the weakest vocals in the groups ,you have jongho who is by far the best vocalist in the group with big gap with the 2nd best in the group ,he deserves all the lines ,meanwhile ys and wy has the worst vocals in the group ,they are not unpleasant on the ear but they are just not good , they get the lines they have for their vocals the real problem is seonghwa not getting vocal lines lately and always get fast talking or rapping ,we need vocalist seonghwa back
Bro plz, Seonghwa has my fav voice in Ateez, but you're wrong in saying Wooyoung & Yeosang are weak vocalists, they're not (just listen to their covers, especially Yeosang singing ballad is everything). They have got beautiful voices, it's just their producer who don't know how to use them.
So if they stop to use vocal effects to lowering members voice to give them parts that fit Yeosang voice perfectly and in general use less vocal effects, it would be best for everyone. Seonghwa could return to sing more lines that fit him better
Many people just say something and expect it to be true. Ateez line distribution has become a lot better the last couple years and everybody ignores it until they get a chance to complain. Their last release before this had Woo with the second most lines in the title track and Yeo 4th. There is no always last anymore people. Its not always perfect but its not debut era either.
My favorite way is when producers see which song best suits which members and give them more lines according to that. One song from the album might suit one member more and another the other member more.
True. Like they said wonyoung and yeosang needs to focus on their dance so they get less lines. But what about the b sides. They also get bare minimum in that too. Then just atleast give them some screen time. That's also not possible like what? It's not like we want it in every comeback. Atleast give them what they deserve
I think Everglow Adios demo is a perfect example of line distribution not needing to be fair all the time. Unfortunately, some songs just do sound better when the stronger vocalists of the group take most of the lines. There are extremes where it is unfair, but especially in todays climate, we shouldn't be giving weak singers who cant hold a note lines. Some idols such as Shuhua or Sakura even expressed how they specifically ask for less lines. So I thinks its unfair for fans to complain when its quite possible that the idols themselves ask for less parts. I do think every member should get their chance to "shine" but it doesn't just have to be line distribution. Whether its the choreography or the screen time, promotions, there are other ways to get fairness without sacrificing the quality of a song.
but does this apply for every song a group makes?? because at that point you’re just saying yeosang and wooyoung are bad singers that don’t fit any of ateez’s concepts and if that were true then why did they make it into ateez in the first place?
You're not seeing it from the ateez perspective. Three of the members share very similar vocal ranges, yet one of them gets barely 5 seconds. What san sings, wooyoung can also do. Yet he never gets the opportunity 💀 its more of a what sells than what suits They know san is a favorite even outside of the fanbase, rightfully so, so they give him more lines which equates to more screen time
@@rainstewsorry but wooyoung strains his vocals when singing as I’ve noticed several times his voice is also sharper also when it comes to sans falsettos wooyoung can’t do it like san
Ofc we are not asking for all songs to hv equal lines for all members. But Wooyoung and yeosang hv least lines for majority of their songs. I don't understand atinys who are ok with this and cont defending the producers. Yeosang said it many times he wish to hv more lines. Watching their killing voice and seeing these 2 members standing there and not singing for most of the time... How are u calling urself an atiny and is ok with this
Exactly!!!! Like it broke my heart 💔💔 and if you like pay close attention whenever yeosang has a line like he smile like a kid getting his fav treat and gosh that made me cry becuase he should get to sing to his heart content not settle for bare minimum 😢
While in sime cases idols prefer less lines, but in this case, yeosang and Wooyoung have literally said they want more lines! They said themselves that they wanna sing more!! But somehow its always them with the less lines. In the sing empty box, yeosang literally sings one line worth of lyric. Thats just unbelievable
Exactly, and it's nice they get the opportunity to try for other parts because sometimes one person's voice suits better than another, but it isn't going to make all the parts equal.
Finally someone smart! That's why 4th-Gen was so annoying with this... "ACE" BS or not having fixed positions. Roles are their for a reason just like in sports. And what some fans don't realize is some IDOLS do other stuff behind the scenes or simply just want a reduced role. Some might be producers, some probably help with the dances, some probably writing the raps & etc.
Idc about line distribution specifically, but overall fairness. If producers and MV directors are all selecting songs and concepts to highlight certain members over others, it always shows. I get them wanting to make the most money by showcasing the most popular member, but that doesn't always equal the best songs or the best overall image for the group, and prevents the rise of any other member's popularity too. Not to mention it works the other way - some members sing the majority of lines on songs, yet we see them on-screen the least
cuz some people be having big impact so they dont need many lines to stand out, cuz they already stand out with small important parts, its like felix from skz, i think its the same with wooyoung and yeosang
I think the method is fine as long as there’s not as much bias to it. Don’t give the same person the most lines every time just because “they fit the best.” If they are the best vocalist, of COUSE they’re going to sing it really well. But that doesn’t mean others don’t fit any parts well. Some Japanese groups I know do this, and over time some have adjusted to be more fair (especially as members grow) and others have always given members at least two solos. You can still be fair and still give leads/mains due process.
this is how i feel they should be doing it. jongho having lines written for him i understand, because he’s the only one who can even hit most of his notes: but even hongjoong has been able to get more vocal lines recently as a rapper while yeosang and wooyoung (vocalists!) are still shafted. but they won’t give HJ less lines because he’s one of the most popular members and Eden knows him the best.
Line distribution (or lack of) doesn’t always equal mistreatment. The best example I have of this is SEVENTEEN because I think The8 has like third to least singing time/ lines and he has (arguably) the best parts in their songs. Also, looking at one song where one member has really little lines doesn’t mean that overall they have the least.
i feel like diversifying it is best, especially in songs where certain members talents can shine better. consistently having the same members sing/rap the same amounts of time in every song doesn’t give the others a chance to cultivate their potential singing/rapping skills. but i will say if those members got center during dance performances that would be better (idk if atz does that) AND justifiable screen time during MVs
Ateeez does what works for them. I'm sure the members can advocate for themselves if they want things to change. Plus not every voice works with every song, so there's no way line distribution could always be equal. That's just not how music works.
Yeosang’s voice worked with the key Blind was in but he still got one line, and considering how he consistently gets the least parts, at that point you’re implying that he can’t sing at all.
I personally think if you guys are gonna talk about this topic when it comes to ateez you should actually research yourself and realise members like yeosang and wooyoung DO want more lines, other members literally have to plead eden to give them more parts. That sounds nothing like what you guys are saying with the whole "producer knows best" argument.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to have an equal line distribution for every song, however, I do think it’s reasonable to rotate which members get more or less songs every comeback. Then whoever is getting less lines can get more in screen time or center time, so everyone can get attention.
The comments should leatn how to seperate company from the idols it dorsnt sit right with me the way evweyone is trying to defend that producer team and company even though theyve seen how yeosamg who is litrally part of ateez been treated for the last almost 6 years
Thank you. They are bringing in other idol groups which aren't even relevant to this particular situation where both yeosang and wooyoung have been requesting for more lines, ON CAMERA.
The video having 17 comments(before I add mine) makes it funnier because svt line distribution in Maestro only had 6-7 seconds difference. I don't think that it is that hard to give decent amount of lines to members doesn't matter if they are or aren't vocalists. *Sighs in happily ever after*
그 파트에 적합한 사람이 그파트를 부르는것은 당연함. 예를 들어 유리구두를 신었는데 발에 맞지않으면 신을수가 없는 이치야. 그것이 민주적인 방식임,왜냐하면 기회는 멤버들 모두에게 균등하게 적용되기에 ,하지만 중요한것은,가장 적합한 사람을 찾는거야. 소속사는 현명해. 마치 신데렐라의 구두처럼 그구두에맞는 주인공들을 찾아주는 노력을 함 + 그런노력들은 보편적방식보다 훨씬더 많은 녹음시간을 들여야되고, 훨씬 더많은 노래를 불러야되고...훨씬많은 시간과 에너지를 써야되기에. 그들이 음악에 쏟는 수고로움은 대단함
it’s not democratic because it’s the same people picking the lines every time. If Eden does not like Yeosang and Wooyoung’s voices, they are at an unfair disadvantage.
@@nuclearclarity3778 그러면 너가 결정내리면 그게 민주적인거야? 이든은 전문가야. 곡에 대해서 당신보다 더 잘알아. 모든멤버들에게 기회를 균등하게주려고 녹음의 기회를 균등하게 지원하고있어 거기서 최적의 멤버를 선택하는거야, 지금 운영은 잘하고있는거야 . 너말대로 모든멤버에게 똑같이 분배를 한다면, 잘하는 멤버가 오히려 불공평한 상황에 놓이게되므로,잘하는 멤버가 기회를 뺏기게되는거야. 표면적으로는 민주적일수있으나 그것은 오히려 모순이 되버려.
@@TV-mw5xtdifferent songs SHOULD fit different members voices evenly. Meaning there’s no reason that for at least a few songs, Yeosang or Wooyoung should be getting a bigger vocal part. It doesn’t have to mean that members like Jongho who are more vocally skilled always have to have less lines, just changing it up depending on the song. There’s no reason every song from a whole album have Yeosang or Wooyoung at the bottom for lines.
That's how they've always distributed lines right from the beginning. And based on how they're doing, I say it's a good method. Producers have their own ideas of how the song should sound, and obviously, with Ateez's versatile voices, some would sound better than others for a specific line. Imagine Yeosang singing San's falsetto or Wooyoung rapping Hongjoong's part in Dune. Solo stans are the ones complaining. Real Atinys are OT8. Stop dragging Ateez into your conversational drama pls. You're using them for clout at this point. Just stop.
Im not talking abt equal line distribution. Ofc main vocal would have more lines and stuff i get it. But 3 secs of line for a vocalist of the group is too much. They've been in this industry for 6 years. I can understand for ths first few years but still getting 3 secs line after 6 years is crazy. It's always been like this btw. And people be started to doubt on their vocals for that. Idk why are the producer understating their vocals like this. They have such unique voice. + there's a youtube video of yeosang vocal and creator said the producer gave yeosang unmatched part for his voice.
1. Yeosang has less solo lines in Blind, but for 30sec group singing in Blind- he is dominating. You can clearly hear him. 2. In previous 4 albums- both YS and WY had a very good amount of lines with killing parts. There is nothing wrong with distributing lines based on which member suits that line more. Sometimes they may get less lines, sometimes more.
Yeosang has more than 3 seconds in Blind. ❤ In OT8 grp singing in Blind- 👑 Yeosang is dominating (before take my soul, take my heart) 🌆 (After the queen of the night, star of my eyes)- Ys and Yh are dominating. 🛸 (After HJ let's dance- Ys is dominating, then both Ys & Yh, and then Yh. ⛵ In the last group singing, OT8 is dominating. His solo lines are less, but in grp singing of blind (more than 30 seconds) - his voice is dominating.❤
Watch their dingo killing voice and see how many times he appears 😊 might help your maths. Or you can just watch the videos some kind people have made displaying all the lines the members have had over the years and see the difference😊
@@rainstew For line distribution- 1. Jongho- more than 3000sec - it counts his more than 500sec high notes and adlibs too. His most lines are also the reason he doesn't jump too much during performance cuz he need energy to sing live. Ateez are known for their very energetic performance- so, other members cover this. Other members except Jongho have less than 2000 sec lines.🩷 2. Line distribution- 🧡Jongho, San, Hj, Sh, Mg, Yunho, Wy, Ys- ✨Jongho, San, Seonghwa are vocalists. 🎩Hongjoong and Mingi write their own raps and so they have their own lines, which can't be shared with other members. Yunho, Wy, Ys - dance line.💃 Yunho has more than 1500sec lines.🕺 Wooyoung and Yeosang have less than 1400sec lines.⛵ I became Atiny during the Halazia era, and Yeosang never got the least lines till golden hour, so i was shocked when i saw the overall line distribution today.😅 Before Halazia, both Ys and Wy got very few lines because of less confidence, and they doubted their vocals. 🥹 Since both Ys and Wy have more confidence now and proved their amazing vocals- they deserve more lines.❤ Hope edenary will give a good amount of solo lines to every member.🥰
@@rainstew for screentime- i always felt KQ should do better mostly for Yunho, Jongho and other members too.✨ Out of 30+ Ateez mv- there are only 8 mv which has an OT8 vibe. (For me)🧡 😈Main lead vibe in Ateez mv- HJ, Sh, Mg- 15 mv each Woo- 13 Ys, San- 12 each Yunho & Jongho- 5 each. Both Yunho and Jongho deserve to be the main lead in more than 5 mv.😖 🌜KQ should give more screentime to Wooyoung on Work. Yeosang should get more solo lines in Blind. Both Yunho and Jongho deserve to have more main lead parts in Ateez mv.🌛
@@MintakaSaiphBut this isn't the case here, Yeosang has said many times he wants more parts in their songs, Wooyoung has joked a few times about "oh give me that part". Yeosang's dream was literally to be a singer & he's a good one, it's just their producers s*ck. That's why, he release his solo covers
Daisy also specified like ten times that her situation was HER personal experience for herself and her group because kpop fans like you start assuming every kpop group has the same experience behind the scenes. Yeosang and wooyoung have said they want more lines, San has had to beg their producer to give wooyoung a whole part in a song (mist), any time hongjoong is involved in the music he helps them shine cause the members know yeosang and wooyoung are very much capable, lol.
@1derl4nd omg I know it was HER experience but the point still stands. The producer is choosing who gets what parts after the members sing the whole parts. Of course their actual leader would be more fair with line distribution but any other producer likely doesn't care about that
The idea is to make the best song not to pander to your feelings. Wooyoung is a dancer first and Yeosang has the most impact when he isn’t over used, it’s not a big deal
If he is a dancer then why doesn't he at least get significant dance breaks 💀 he is often at the side or in the back. Some members get both dance center stage as well as lines, some get either lines or dance, while certain two don't get either aside from a few songs over all these years.
I don’t think it’s about equality, I think it’s about equity. I don’t think we should give everyone equal parts, but I do think that there tends to be a trend in K-pop where it’s more of a play it safe rather than explore, so if groups tend to follow a formula and make a certain type of song, there will be singers in the group which suit those songs better and so they will keep getting more lines. Let’s explore different songs, perhaps one more in other members’ comfortable register, and then they will actually have more of an even playing field. I don’t know Ateez that well, so I don’t know how much this applies to them, but it definitely applies to some other K-pop groups I’ve seen.
The nice thing about their system is it ensures variety. Every member of ATEEZ has opened a song, sung parts of a pre-chorus and chorus, and sung on a bridge, even the rappers. They recently did Dingo's Killing Voice and you can see some of the variety across 17 songs in their discography.
This!! This is where they lack, their main producer is good at producing music & exploring genres, but he don't know how to utilise their voices properly, he keeps using same formula for 5 years, atp even Atinys can predict who is going to sing what part. That's why it's so refreshing when the members produce the song or they work with someone else outside (which is very rare) and the line distribution is also fair when the members produce🙃
@@flaggov6949 Ateez is literally my ult grp & I have been stanning them since 2021 & know their every song by heart🙂. The formula I'm talking about is line distribution one, most of the time high notes to Jongho, which is followed by San (makes sense since he's the lead vocal), same parts to Yunho & Seonghwa, Yeosang leading chorus nowadays along with Yunho & Seonghwa, one killing part or adlib to Wooyoung, Hongjoong & Mingi rapping back to back. Eden is basically limiting their singing potential. There have been instances where member found out their singing potential when working outside, for eg...Yunho mentioned that he didn't know he can go that high while shooting for that Pepsi ad back in 2021, their songs don't even highlight Yeosang & Wooyoung's vocal abilities, if they didn't release those solo vocal covers, we would have never get to hear those beautiful voices. Bcoz of Eden, some Atinys & kpop stans think that Wooyoung & Yeosang are weak vocalists, which isn't true. It's not them who lack ability, but Eden who don't know how to utilise their voice. Atp I think it's more of a favoritism bcoz when Hongjoong produces a song, line distribution is fair. When they work outside their own stuff, line distribution is fair. San has talked about how he had to beg Eden to give that beginning part to Wooyoung instead of him. And ppl want me to believe Eden is all sane?? I love him as a musician, but he s*cks at line distribution & helping Ateez grow as singers. Everybody knows how rude he was to 16 year old Hongjoong when he joined the company & roadies say that he was rude to Xikers as well. He doesn't holds criticism well. Fans respectfully put their opinion for 4 years, it wasn't even till last year, we got angry, everything has a limit. Yeosang constantly says he wants more parts, even Wooyoung jokingly says give this part to me, but some Atinys who bootlick those producers & company spread this rumur that Yeo's shy & didn't want to sing just to defend those producers lol
@@flaggov6949if you don’t hear jongho and san singing back to back in every song, yunho or seonghwa opening most songs (there was a whole inside joke about yunho opening everything), and the rappers having parts right next to each other in most songs, im not sure YOU have heard their discography 😭
For me, i like the way Ateez's producers work with the line distribution. All members sing the whole song and they pick which members suit best. I'm pretty sure they did their best for Ateez's benefit. Yes wooyoung and yeosang has least amount of lines, but what can you do when all the members have good vocals? They kinda like competing with each other to get the most lines and with that in mind, they will improve their vocals even more. I'm sure it's quite hard for the producers too to choose who sing which part. For wooyoung and yeosang's fans sure will be upset bout this but as an ot8, im quite please with how they work.
Dreamcatcher have this method too. So each one of them will have to sing the entire song and then lines get distributed counting how well each member's voice suits the parts. In the past there were unfair line distributions, but now line distributions have gotten better (I think its mostly because with time there has been a voice improvement from all the members). For Ateez yeah I've seen this kind of treatment and I'm not a fan Now we are talking about Woo and Yeo for having less lines While I (as a Jongho biased) don't really like how Jongho always gets just the highest parts (I know he's a main vocalist but after a while its gets kinda monotonous. I'd like to hear some variety in songs)
Well sometimes producers actually have a "vision" of how they want their songs to sound so that's why sometimes some members don't get many lines, and sometimes the distributions are painted based on the main vocal
Other producers do this. And if we're concerned about wooyo and yeosang getting fewer lines, we have to remember that yeosang has asked for fewer lines in the past. When it comes to line distribution, we can't just assume things. a lot of discussion about the line distribution on songs we don't hear, we're just fans we aren't there when they (ateez and their producers) talk about line distribution. What I'm trying to say is that a lot happens behind closed doors, we shouldn't assume.
See its not actually about being equal meaning eveyone should 10-10 sec nope thats so stupid and no one is saying that issue really lies in a way that members actually dont get to shine or show other side ... Now hear me out ateez are the 2nd k pop i have ever stanned so idk much about how things work in kpop But if you ever notice in ateez songs why is it always yeosang or wooyoung only is at the bottom not even the side tracke they go up leading them to only have less music time but also less screen and dancing times , pple can argue with that how they might not be good singer but there recent covers prove that theory totally wrong not to say other point can be popularity or not fitting the songs but wooyoung is one of the most popular member or ateez so limiting his screen time is so stupid and his seductive tone is so flavourful like just listen to hala hala intro !! and yeosang tell me halazia did not get an extra boost becuase of his voice totally telling us he fits in ateez music also not to add I would have never even seen ateez if it wasn't for his voice and cant sing well to which his recent 4 cover to be wrong too !!! I wish that was the only issue but tell me even if the beat changes the way the song produces is still so similar like jongho always has a high note which really takes away his the charm him pulling that like how in cover me ( skz song) seungmin high note got so much hype becuase they do not overuse that skill plus it also limit jongho to those only when we know he can sing more ranges ! And idk how right i am on these ones but i fron the songs i have heard why are they limiting mingi to only rapping when he can sing yk and how like they do not credit or let hongjoong or mingi work in production!?! And like isnt it werid how if you ever check there lyrics there are so many pple like if you need these many pple to write lyrics why not have good distribution and not let one member go with just 3 sec in the song !! There is alot more that i dont know of and of course things that are behind the scenes also but ot still makes you wonder why is this?? Though t i feel like the production team at fault here but at the end its i am not in KQ or know anything becuase it a assumptions but just one with too many proofs
I think what really rubs people the wrong way is when they also don't get good center time or screen time in the music videos. The fact that they get less lines isn't completely unheard of in kpop. Jongho's voice is the voice of ateez. People also have to really keep in mind, the boys aren't necessarily upset about it, nor are they treated wrongly. They're still visible, still highlighted in both songs and videos. Proof of it is in their personal Instagram follower counts.
I think it always depends on a group. Most groups work with the same producers consistently, which can be a double-edged sword: this producer both knows what each member's strengths and weaknesses are, but they also have expectations of the members' abilities. This can be how certain members consistently get a lot of parts and others consistently get very few. On the other hand, singing the whole song and then editing in post leaves room for the members to surprise the producer in what their voice achieves, and allows the producer to create the best song possible. They can still fall back into particular habits, but it's more likely there's variety in line distribution, different members can get killing parts, and different voices can be flexed. I think naturally there will always be some people who have fewer parts because others have stronger vocal skills, but as long as the members themselves are satisfied, I have to be too.
Screen time in the title track is more important than the line distribution. I want my idols to be seen in the front during the MV. Line distribution over the entire album/ ep is important for the b-sides
I think they should see which member suits the song or the concept more and then see who should get the most parts if a member doesn’t suit the song or their voice doesn’t work for they song it makes sense that they have the least and it shouldn’t be that same members who keep getting least lines. If a member has less lines maybe they can get more screen time. Another thing is that the main vocalist or main rapper usually get they most and that makes sense since they are the main but it shouldn’t be that one member gets almost a minute worth of line and one member has around 10 seconds like what happened in like that baby monster.
Like what JHope says before, they also base who voice fits the best in what part of the songs. Though they also give each members a chance, but still try not to be greedy and work as a team instead. Yes, it's kinda hard to the fact that there are some members can get more lines.
People don't realise the behind-the-scenes stuff we don't see. It's a simple truth that the agency will have sat the members down and told them who is going to be more front facing and those that aren't. Wooyoung and Yeosang are meant to be focused most on performance not vocals or rap. Wooyoung gets a lot of the 'killing points', the part that stands out in the choreo that people remember. Think about Crazy Form and his twerk - that is all kpop stans in general could talk about except how good the song was. Same with 'gracias' in Thanxx but he was at the front a lot. -Yeosang was historically shy. He was more interested in performance too and has only really changed since Halazia- [ETA : 30.06.24 striking this part to reword it] Yeosang was more shy in the past and although he has expressed more than a few times that he wants more lines he isn't given them. This is going to be an agency thing, as shitty as that is, because it's well known that Yeosang can be a little spacey, and the members all have said he's the quietest in the group. The sad truth is that the agency may treat the members far more like human beings than other agencies by allowing them freedom of expression, to have tattoos, to have an unlimited food budget with few restrictions and to date, but they are in business and someone needs to be overlooked in favour of other members who are more popular. As much as Ateez and Atiny adore Yeosang, he isn't catching talk like San and Hongjoong do, and to the money counters _someone_ will inevitably end up being mostly ignored. No matter what group, agency or team it is, there is the inevitably easier to pass over member in them all. The only way to change it is for fans to make a concerted and organised push with a specific hashtag that trends then to continue using the tag, as well as consistently mentioning what is wanted in posts. If it is big enough and sustained over a period of time including between comebacks it will get noticed by their Social Media team. Then there's Yunho who also gets fewer lines or lines that don't stand out/are only very short but he has the massive responsibility of Dance Lead. He's always watching the members to see if they are placed correctly, if someone is struggling and if a part needs to be changed once the comeback has started. Sometimes issues only appear once in a small studio with a live audience so if he has too many parts, he'd be stretched thin. _Things change over time too_ , like with San taking on more dance parts with his beast mode and even helping with choreography in WORK. So yes, they know they have less lines, and this will have been agreed ahead of time, like in _predebut_ meetings, _whether they or the other members want them to have more_ . However if you go on B sides. All of the members get parts on those, especially Woo and Yeosang. Fan reaction can also change things, so if enough people talk about it for it to land on the KQ Social Media Manager's radar, it will be mentioned in a post-comeback review. NB: a friend of mine is an ex idol and he still has active ties to kpop as a songwriter. I signed an NDA when we first met for him to help me with a ghostwritten book I was working on so I can't tell you his group or anything, although I wouldnt even if I hadn't signed one now that we are pretty close. All I can say is 2nd gen.
Yeosang literally has said himself that he wants more significant parts in their songs, he is not as shy as you seem to think he is, even before halazia, he was pretty bold on stage. He may have been quieter in the beginning, but he was never at a point where he would actively ask to be given less lines, he has always said that he wanted more parts
I understand your point, I was explaining how things work in kpop groups and line distribution *across the whole industry* not just KQ or Ateez in particular and how it starts as early as pre-debut. Honest to God there are literal maps and lists about how a group is gathered, although KQ have gone the more organic route with Ateez, Xikers was gathered in a more formulaic way. Think about Stray Kids and the absolute madness the idea of letting Bang Chan gather his members was met with at the time. That is why I emphasised the fact things change over time and the internal _agency_ politics that will have set things up this way. As I pointed out using San as the example, it changes over time. And I also pointed out Yeosang was shy _in the past_ not now, and unfortunately it's the quieter members who tend to be overlooked most, as utterly unfairly that is. Think back to Bouncy era as an example of a company listening to fan input without openly acknowledging it. Atinys had been saying for years that we want Seonghwa to rap on a title track but it really began to blow up in conversation in 2022. By constantly talking about it, mentioning it in live streams and in social media, we got that changed. Also there have always been rumblings about the fact members other than Hongjoong and Mingi weren't involved in songwriting and how we wanted the Edenary collective to let other members get included. KQ listened, giving us unit tracks that included songwriting from all the boys. On a personal level the fact line distribution isn't more fair always pisses me off. No matter what group, agency or individuals are involved it's shitty. Each of the members of a group are there because of their dreams to be singers and performers, and each voice should be heard in titles not given b-side lines as some sort of recompense that isn't really a recompense at all. And I am not in anyway criticising _Yeosang_ for the situation, I was talking in relative terms using the fact this short is about Ateez line distribution. BTS has this issue with Jin... Not Today's three seconds of him running was disgusting. Please understand I love these eight crackheaded men for the joy they bring with their music and madness. This isn't an attack on you personally either, Atinys are the most chill people in the world and I understand the fierce desire to protect them from criticism. They work so effing hard and are overlooked time and time again when it's award season, they kept aiming high and are finally getting noticed more. And I am honestly not hating on you or anyone else here, I just thought an explanation of the way the industry functions would help give perspective to the _why_ of the politics involved not as an attack on Yeosang. The only way things will change is by bringing up the fact it pisses us off that he isn't given the chance to shine to the point of tedium. Only Atiny can push this issue forward until KQ listens. I hope this helps clear things up a bit @@RLP1117
Over the years i feel the producers are biased due to the style they have and they have noticed the performance of the songs in terma of their popularity so they keep repeating the same trend. Wooyoung has such a great voice and he can give it that lilting edge and go full husky- beautiful range yet so little lines. Yeosang doesn't even get the parts he could've sung. His and yunho's vocal registers are very similar yet he barely gets 10 seconds of lines in a 3 minute song consistently. He has even expressed he wants more lines yet it never happens. Wooyoung has charisma and social intelligence- what he doesn't get in song lines and MVs, he secures in their variety shows. Yeosang being a reserved person, doesn't get much output there as well. And i do feel that the company only sought him for his looks rather than actually having any idea of how they would utilize his talents. There have been multiple incidents where his parts were cut in variety shows, and one where in a fanmeet only his name wasn't listed and he actually asked in front of everyone why his name wasn't there. At the end of it, its business. They're products the company is selling. San and seonghwa have the best shown proven stage presence and charisma so they consistently get the best parts. Yeosang and wooyoung didn't get the opportunity early on to establish themselves firmly in a role on stage so they're cast aside for whatever crumbs those producers would throw their way.
The method makes sense, no issue there. My issue though is as someone whose ult bias has been wooyoung for years, that man never gets to sing!! and it makes no sense. imo he's easily top 3 ateez vocalists. it becomes a lot more apparent in songs like good lil boy, mist, or it's you, where he actually gets to sing 😭 so what's the issue?? does their production team have it out for him or smth lol?? I mean i trust edenary with my life but... idk something just doesn't add up to me. I'll give them a pass for work era now that we know wooyoung's sick but?!??!? 😭😭😭😭 guys im tired
I don't think he's in their top 4. Jongho is Jongho. San, Seonghwa, and Yunho have greater range which gives them the advantage. Wooyoung and Yeosang are at opposite ends (middle to high, middle to low respectively). Having a smaller range doesn't mean their voices aren't amazing, but it does put a natural limitation on the parts they can realistically compete for.
Edenary are the root to all issues here. Ateez may want to blossom and find new ways but that production team has limited them with the same formula of who gets what line for years. They are not without flaw and their bias has been eveident since way back
i never get the fight for line distribution because obviously, those who sing better or fit songs better will get more lines. Wooyoung and Yeosang are Ateez's weakest vocalists (I wonder if it has something to do with classic hybe training lol) so obviously they'll have less lines. Why would you want to burden them by singing things out their range or not suitable with their voices? It's not like it affects their popularity or their salary
On what basis, are you calling them weak vocalists?? Have you ever heard them singing?? Just listen to Yeosang's covers, he's baritone & still hitting those high notes easily. It's not a skill issue, but their main producer not being able to utilize their voice properly or maybe his favoritism. Ever wondered why everytime Hongjoong produces the song, the line distribution is fair
@@YoursTAngel I don't think they meant weak vocalist in general but weaker in comparison to other vocalists in the group. When you hear their live stages (where they are dancing, which is most performances) yeo and woo's voices are the least stable and they do struggle holding notes while dancing in comparison to other members. They are great dancers and it makes sense that they must have focused more on dance than singing during their training.
@@apuuuuu The reason why they shake is bcoz Eden used to give them part out of their range most of the time + the mic shakes when you dance but they both have become stable over the years. Yeosang trained to be vocalist, he wanted to be a singer, he even trained in LA along with Jongho.
i dont think either of them are the weakest vocalists, its the rappers (no shade they just trained in rap instead of vocals), but hongjoong gets more vocal lines than both yeosang and wooyoung 💀
I've heard that Yeosang gets so few lines because he doesn't like his own singing voice all that much (only heard it from other Atiny without any receipts, so no clue if it's true) Personally, I don't care as long as the idols are comfortable with the line distribution and think the voices that fits the specific parts are the ones that get used for them. That being said... I LIVE for when we get some deep voiced Yeosang lines! Like in Halazia and the "no no no no no" in Work. Those parts are always my favourite💙
That's a rumur spread by some Atinys to defend their producers. Yeosang never said that, infact there are clips of Yeosang saying he wants more parts in their songs.
I don't know if you will talk about San at Dolce & Gabbana but if you talk about it, then- San's whitewashed pics look weird but his normal pics look good. In videos he looks even more amazing.🎩 So please focus on positive things and not on the negative.🥰
im not sure if you covered this already, but shooting star and vitural angel sound the same to me in some parts ngl 😭 not hating at all btw i love both songs sm
WooYoung and Yeosang were not confident in their singing initially so they were not given as many lines. This method is the best method to create a good song. It is not really a competition, it is what sounds best at each part of the song. I think it is why their songs sound so great.
l don't think it's unfair treatment . A few videos may look like that , but its normal that the vocal line will always get more lines compared to others . Fans HAVE to agree that not all line suits everyone , and since Ateez themselves are somehow involved in producing their songs , they know the best doing what will bring the best outcome . I don't think I've seen any members not getting line in Ateez videos . Even where a member has 2/3 lines , those lines are always slaps harder . If you think few members are not being heared much in song, watch the music video or choreo . You'll notice that they have much presence there .
Yeosang & Wooyoung are also part of vocal line. If you're talking about main & lead vocal, it's Jongho & San. Then the rest should atleast gets fair share. And Yeosang & Seonghwa have rap positions too. Also, members are involved in production but just upto writing & composing their parts. Otherwise Hj makes songs separately. They don't have say in parts distribution. San literally had to beg Eden to give the beginning part in Mist to Wooyoung & he nailed it. That shows that they have skills, it's just their producer who don't want to come out of his comfort zone & limiting them
@@YoursTAngel don't they make all member sing all part and later takes decision which part goes to whom? I remember hearing somewhere they does that k-pop ? How do they distribute lines then ? (And l have no doubt they have skills. Ateez is literally one of the best vocal groups out there .)
@@Xajaganhhhauah They all sing, but the final say is of their main producer Eden, members have no say. Also, sometimes they predecides as well for some parts
I crave equality in kpop songs; it’s called a group for a reason!! I love EVERGLOW but Yuehua management is so bad with line distribution where on average some members like ONDA and E:U get only about 5-8 seconds in a song vs. Mia or Sihyeon getting 40s+ I get that they should have members sing what’s most comfortable but if the management doesn’t realize that the entire group has good voices then that’s a problem. And nothing against the members of EVERGLOW I’m a FOREVER just makes me sad when they ignore talent in a group like that with sm potential!
Let’s take Le Sserafim. Their songs work because their strongest vocalists get more lines. It’s simple, the line distributions depend on who’s voice fits more and who can sing best the harder parts. That’s why for instance Yujin usually gets a lot of lines in IVE songs.
