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Good news and a quick trip down the rabbit hole to talk about the other atmospheric issue - and why any of this is even an issue to begin with.
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@julianrichards9509
@julianrichards9509 Год назад
Fran is brilliant at clearly explaining complex topics,engineering,atmospheric chemistry dynamics,,we're so fortunate to have her.Thank you Fran
@tvtoms
@tvtoms Год назад
We recently had a top official expressing his disbelief that propellants for hair spray could even "escape" out of the "closed rooms" they were used in. As I recall he was lamenting the fact that he couldn't find good old hair spray anymore. I think he went on to talk about low flow toilets. Wish my memory was just making this stuff up. Scary. Super scary.
@mikebarushok5361
@mikebarushok5361 Год назад
Minor correction. Water vapor, which doesn't contain any carbon, is also a strong greenhouse gas. It's a major part of the reason that the atmospheric transmissivity has an unstable equilibrium. Higher temperature -> more water in vapor state -> less infrared escape from atmosphere -> higher temperatures.
@FranLab
@FranLab Год назад
On the planetary scale clouds act to reflect sunlight back into space and keep the surface cooler.
@tipi5586
@tipi5586 Год назад
Get clamped, pal. Maybe try and get back to being pro-Human, and you won't be so miserable inside.
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes Год назад
I think you're both at least partially correct, here. And... it's complicated, and we're still figuring it out. :D To quote the American Chemical Society: "... the possible positive and negative feedbacks associated with increased water vapor and cloud formation can cancel one another out and complicate matters. The actual balance between them is an active area of climate science research."
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Год назад
@@FranLab , during the daytime, yes, clouds reflect sunlight back into space; but at night a cloud layer will hold in heat from the Earth and prevent it from radiating back into space. The coldest Winter mornings are typically the ones where you wake up to a clear sky.
@nos9784
@nos9784 Год назад
Afaik, water vapor is even responsible for the majority of the natural, beneficial greenhouse effect. But CO2 is responsible for the majority of the human- made contribution and disbalancing of that greenhouse effect. That also makes makes water vapour a scary tipping point, as warm air carries more water vapor. We still have a strong magnetic field, though, and won't go fully venus anytime soon. But yeah, ~60 m of sea level rise will turn most of our society upside down.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Год назад
That's good news - while the ozone layer depletion is getting solved, we're running into other problems. Fossil fuel depletion, greenhouse gases, particulate matter pollution and rare metals becoming rarer and rarer... No rest for the wicked. Thanks for explaining how the CFCs affect the environment and it's not just CO2 that causes the greenhouse effect. 7:08 more like free radicals (they have an unpaired electron on the valence shell), extremely reactive and unstable. And that one about Exxon should really be the lesson for all of us. Plainly difficult, maybe... but we always have to ask ourselves that question: why are denialists so popular now? Who stands behind them? Same for other conspiracy ideologists. I was passionate about chemistry in my middle and high school, did a lot of experimenting in my own lab. Then I studied and got master's degree in chemical engineering. Never gets old.
@trainliker100
@trainliker100 Год назад
Fran is one of the most natural teachers I have ever seen. It is SO much better when a teach is passionate about the subject. She should probably be teaching somewhere. But, I suppose, that's exactly what she is doing.
@josephaltman460
@josephaltman460 Год назад
Currently, Earth is the ONLY ONE bubble we can live and survive on. I am 💯 for keeping our home habitable and breathable!
@SeanHollingsworth
@SeanHollingsworth Год назад
Agreed!! This includes defense against being hit by another Younger-Dryas sized event. This planet still has those scars, and millions of animals still perfectly flash frozen solid for the past 12,800 years.
@azy6868
@azy6868 Год назад
💯
@DouglasK
@DouglasK Год назад
Thanks... We're in a time of change regardless if we act or not. It'll go better for us if we act.
@moki123g
@moki123g Год назад
~45% of this country thinks that the earth is 6000 years old. We have an education or intellect problem.
@DancingRain
@DancingRain Год назад
Some of both. But largely an education problem. I've met people who are highly intelligent, and otherwise well-educated, who still believe in a 6500 year old Earth - because the base assumptions were laid down in their minds before the scientific method was introduced. It leads to some interesting mental gymnastics; e.g. "The scientists are just misinterpreting the data"
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Год назад
I bet if you asked people at random on the street whether the Earth was closer to the sun during summer or winter, at least 45%, and probably more would get the answer incorrect.
@robchurchill1368
@robchurchill1368 Год назад
this is my favorite channel. she's so smart. thanks for the easter egg.
@AnMuiren
@AnMuiren Год назад
Thank you. I meet so many people claiming climate change defies science, but can't methodically, step by step explain how that is so. I've no idea who you are in real life, but I've always loved how you think🖖🏾
@rodericde876
@rodericde876 Год назад
That’ll be Big Clive and his ozone generators.
@leonardtreadway7082
@leonardtreadway7082 Год назад
Thanks! Enjoyed good news 👍
@scaredyfish
@scaredyfish Год назад
That was a great explanation of how ozone depletion happens. I was around in the 80s when this was all happening, but I never heard such a complete explanation of what was going on.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Год назад
Note though the CFC's also are used as anesthetic gases still, much more effective than any other anesthetic gas, and non flammable makes them wanted in hospital use. Thus there is still a production of them for this, and this use is unlikely to be ever replaced. Note the major release of CFC gases was in making of polystyrene packaging, where it was literally used once before being dumped, while the refrigerant use was a lot lower volume. Also was used as an industrial cleaner, because it is an incredibly good non polar solvent, and leaves no residue on surfaces after use. Incidentally still being made, and used as a precursor for many industrial processes still, and unable to be replaced, though there it is very much recycled. Also still a component of some of the speciality refrigerants, where there is literally nothing else that works in that application, and medical uses do need ultra low temperature freezers, that still use CFC gas as the refrigerant.
@mikenollett181
@mikenollett181 Год назад
Great explanations Fran. Thank you for doing this.
@anonymous.youtuber
@anonymous.youtuber Год назад
The Mortimer is such a great book. It was my first chemistry book that really provided some useful insight.
@penfold7800
@penfold7800 Год назад
Great science lesson Fran. I wish I had you at school to teach me physics back in 1981. It would have been a much more positive experience.
@fepatton
@fepatton Год назад
This should be required viewing in all middle and high school science classes. Well done! Edit: well, not we’ll. Pesky autocorrect!
@CARLiCON
@CARLiCON Год назад
"Got Styrofoam boxes for the ozone layer Got a man of the people, says keep hope alive Got fuel to burn, got roads to drive"...
@-jeff-
@-jeff- Год назад
Thanks for some good news Fran.
@McTroyd
@McTroyd Год назад
It's only been a few hours, but I'm glad you haven't had to turn comments off yet. Slightly encouraging sign for the future.
@FranLab
@FranLab Год назад
Deleting idiotic comments, until it becomes too many.....
@McTroyd
@McTroyd Год назад
@@FranLab Naomi "SexyCyborg" Wu has said she will ban people who spew vitrol. Maybe this is a good opportunity to isolate the problem children?
@makermikesizer
@makermikesizer Год назад
Thank you for addressing this. It is so important and we are not paying attention.
@cmralph...
@cmralph... Год назад
Love you, Fran - thanks for this share.
@anthonywilliams9937
@anthonywilliams9937 Год назад
Great video, hopefully as The Ozone Layer heals, it will compound and heal faster than predicted.
@maccamcdermott5528
@maccamcdermott5528 Год назад
It's nice to see somewhere the Murdoch press doesn't have a monopoly!
@LordOfSlaughter
@LordOfSlaughter Год назад
Very informative, do you have any comments on the earth’s core stopping or any possible affects it may have? Thanks
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes Год назад
Dunno if Fran wants to touch on this or not. In case not, Sabine Hossenfelder has a video about it - v=Z50kjnZXpXg. (TL;DW: it didn't "stop"... it's... more subtle than that.)
@LordOfSlaughter
@LordOfSlaughter Год назад
@@DavidLindes thanks, I’ll check it out
@mikebarushok5361
@mikebarushok5361 2 месяца назад
What is being understood now is that it's a 70 year cycle and has no discernable effects other than subtle changes to the velocity of certain shock waves travelling through the earth. So subtle it has taken years to be sure.
@trainliker100
@trainliker100 Год назад
When dealing with "Climate Change" I think it is important to separate out what might be anthropomorphic (man-caused) and what isn't. There is no doubt that a vast amount of "climate change" occurred long before man was on the scene. it would be unreasonable to think that natural climate change magically stopped with the onset of man and that all subsequent change is due to man. The other thing to consider are the various political agendas. And one of the biggest is to hobble the "developed" nations, and especially the U.S., and to let "developing" nations have free reign on their pollution. You can argue the politics of that on either side if you wish, but that part of it is certainly not scientific.
@terryolsson4145
@terryolsson4145 Год назад
Wow Fran. This episode was fantastic. Once again i am so much smarter. Thanks
@obedbrinkman
@obedbrinkman Год назад
nice explanation! thanks
@trainliker100
@trainliker100 Год назад
In one of "The Drew Carey Show" episodes it is very cold outside, and Drew Carey comes out with some spray can of something. He sprays and sprays it into the air and says, "The hell with the grandkids, I'm cold now!" The joke being he can somehow influence the ozone layer to an extent that he will be warmer. I'm sure many manufacturers cringed because this show was well after chlorofluorocarbons had been phased out.
@nigeljohnson9820
@nigeljohnson9820 Год назад
I like a planet with a happy atmosphere.
@richardpurvis4532
@richardpurvis4532 Год назад
More more more thx Fran.... if my high school/college profs explained things like you just did I might of payed more attention
@winstonsmith478
@winstonsmith478 Год назад
CFC-11 was the second most abundant CFCs and was initially seen to be declining as expected. However in 2018 a team of researchers monitoring the atmosphere found that the rate of decline had slowed by about 50% after 2012. Further detective work in China by the Environmental Investigation Agency in 2018 seemed to indicate that the country was indeed the source. They found that the illegal chemical was used in the majority of the polyurethane insulation produced by firms they contacted. One seller of CFC-11 estimated that 70% of China's domestic sales used the illegal gas. The reason was quite simple - CFC-11 is better quality and much cheaper than the alternatives. This new paper seems to confirm beyond any reasonable doubt that some 40-60% of the increase in emissions is coming from provinces in eastern China.
@popsfereal
@popsfereal Год назад
It never gets old. Neither does watching your channel(s).🙂
@JRiffle_HeaveHoStudio
@JRiffle_HeaveHoStudio Год назад
Bravo! Well said.
@craigpennington1251
@craigpennington1251 Год назад
This is ok if you're now just being born. Me, I'll be long gone. But who knows for sure. On the right track if some maniac doesn't do something stupid. Those old CFC refrigerators worked perfect & the old car A/C units. You were actually cool in your car on a trip. Good stuff Fran. Better than my school teachers were back in the day.
@Veso266
@Veso266 Год назад
Stupid question, but why dont people use an ozone generator to help heal the ozone layer?
@FranLab
@FranLab Год назад
Ground level ozone does not get into the stratosphere, and its high reactivity makes it very harmful to things and people.
@petercampbell8085
@petercampbell8085 Год назад
Science is not something to be belief, but understood , comprehended and then debated. Those how say they don't belief , don't undersstand what science is.
@trainliker100
@trainliker100 Год назад
Another notable situation was the Cuyahoga River which caught fire on occasion. This was one of the more obvious events (didn't require a lot of scientific data) that raised the national consciousness and led to the creation of the EPA. There was also at the time some federal definition of "water" that was modified to include that it must be "nonflammable" which was so ridiculous in concept that Mad Magazine was motivated to make some fun of the situation. They had a faux report on the "Big Water River". it was, of course, satire but not without some basis. One of the more amusing discoveries in the testing was the presence of "fist sized fecal coliform bacteria."
@DougieFresh1970
@DougieFresh1970 Год назад
Great News!! But when are we going to next see Fran do something in the Lab?
@mitrickjohns2834
@mitrickjohns2834 Год назад
I believe that the early atmosphere is thought to have been primarily carbon dioxide and nitrogen, not ammonia and methane.
@jorgc.kachel8301
@jorgc.kachel8301 Год назад
Thank you! 👍 BTW, why don't you teach chemistry anymore (in the USA)? Could you please explicate that at some point? And what is your take on the new Chinese study about the Earth's inner core and it's suggestion that the inner-core rotation has recently paused? Thanks in advance for that one! 😃
@popsfereal
@popsfereal Год назад
Northeast Ohio 1960's-70's winters.....brutal. Now? It was 40f yesterday, 9 now, 50f in a couple days. Where's my snow?????
@dimitrioskalfakis
@dimitrioskalfakis Год назад
fascinating ;-) ... but to many people science and truth are inconvenient noise to their daily lives until it is too late to change!
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 Год назад
If you asked random people on the street, during which season is the Earth closer to the sun, summer or winter? I'll bet more than half of them would answer it incorrectly.
@dimitrioskalfakis
@dimitrioskalfakis Год назад
@@goodun2974 actually the average difference is no more than 5 million kilometres. it is the tilt of the earth's axis that determines seasons.
@crabby7668
@crabby7668 Год назад
@@goodun2974 depends on northern or southern hemisphere, so silly question or trick question?
@jackcaven9614
@jackcaven9614 Год назад
' let's keep the climate as it is because we're used to it' is probably the most inane thing a human being can say. We've had a recognizable atmosphere on earth for over 4 billion years and in all that time the climate as never 'not' been changing... and we're going to keep it from changing because 'we're used to it as it is' . During the Jurassic period there was up 30 times more CO2 in our atmosphere and guess what... life thrived and the sea's did 'not' boil away!!!!!
@markedis5902
@markedis5902 Год назад
What’s the chance of being able to use trichloroethane again for cleaning circuit boards?
@jjrusy7438
@jjrusy7438 Год назад
Right now i wouldnt mind going back to the pre-cambrian and the 50 foot tall ferns, when the CO2 was really high (so ya, it's 10 degrees F and it makes me unreasonable haha)
@thegreenpickel
@thegreenpickel Год назад
I would happily take a ozone hole over Los Angeles if we could have R12 back.
@nathanwildthorn6919
@nathanwildthorn6919 Год назад
Fran... you are simply... cool. ❤️
@snatt420
@snatt420 Год назад
well said
@woodyb3371
@woodyb3371 Год назад
Oh shit you open my eyes to whfirsand and t y to care about the Climate change is very important. When they talk about that in school it was confusing And didn't understand it but they way you broke it down it got thru my mind so thank you.
@pcm2012
@pcm2012 Год назад
What about teaching Economy and History so when students become voters know who to vote?
@scottthomas6202
@scottthomas6202 Год назад
CFCs were used in an amazing variety of ways in the past. I had Cold Power toys that ran on automotive freon. I think CFCs are still used in inhalers, but I'm not sure. Getting an entire planet to change its ways isn't easy...possible, but not easy.
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes Год назад
Some inhalers these days have "a different propellant called hydrofluoroalkane (HFA)" (quoting the CDC, but also this matches what I've seen). I haven't looked into it enough to know how much the CFC ones are (or are not) still around, but it's not in all of them. Of course, that's still carbon and fluorine... just minus the chlorine. But the way Fran presents it, that seems like the big thing for the Ozone aspect in particular. But... still a hydrocarbon, so... 🤷‍♀
@scottthomas6202
@scottthomas6202 Год назад
@@DavidLindes I found a spent inhaler at work, and it had a label stating it had CFCs in it, but this was at least 10 years ago, so maybe they no longer do.
@scaredyfish
@scaredyfish Год назад
The inhaler I use is powder based, and has no propellant at all. I’m not sure how it works, exactly, but I think your breath spins a little fan that disperses a dose of the powder into the air you breathe in.
@IBM_Museum
@IBM_Museum Год назад
And I feel a little bit guilty - in the 80s, we would dump the freon used to pressurize our sonar transducers into the open air. I hadn't thought of the "stability" to use freon in that instance - but rationalized it was just because freon leaks are easily detected (and become poisonous phosgene if exposed to an open flame). Now we know better!
@scottthomas6202
@scottthomas6202 Год назад
@@IBM_Museum two jobs ago, to detect leaks, a small propane torch gizmo was run along freon lines. If the flame turned bright green, you found the leak. This was a commercial device, not something MacGyvered together.
@thatotherguygreg
@thatotherguygreg Год назад
You should do a "Ted Talk" on this!
@AraCarrano
@AraCarrano Год назад
Just in time to negate the need for Robocop "Sunblock 5000".
@leonardtreadway7082
@leonardtreadway7082 Год назад
I hope you don't have to turn off comments!!!!👍👍
@thatotherguygreg
@thatotherguygreg Год назад
❤❤❤
@ghrey8282
@ghrey8282 Год назад
👍🏻👍🏻
@jamesblinzler7421
@jamesblinzler7421 Год назад
They all forget about the carbon cycle.
@1683clifton
@1683clifton Год назад
What ever to do about those factories in china...
@473mec
@473mec Год назад
After the ozone layer is healed, we'll be living in Antarctica due to global warming, so that's nice?
@liv4music
@liv4music Год назад
Fran, I wish you lived next door to me so we could be friends.
@shedactivist
@shedactivist Год назад
Remember that getting back to 1980's levels means getting back to a time when the hole was observed to be there. Still a very long way to go to actual heal the planet.
@hiz-n-lowz1577
@hiz-n-lowz1577 Год назад
When half the worlds a desert, cannibals eat human brains for dessert!
@thedevil5544
@thedevil5544 Год назад
if we cant get china onboard with saving the planet what is the use...
@outfctrl
@outfctrl Год назад
The earth has been going through a natural climate change throughout the history of the earth and will continue to do so.
@CT-vm4gf
@CT-vm4gf Год назад
And it’s in our best interests to not contribute to it.
@tony_w839
@tony_w839 Год назад
I was taught to be aware of the straw that broke the camel's back, of the butterfly effect.
@DancingRain
@DancingRain Год назад
True, but natural changes aren't the ONLY changes to the climate. Humans have changed the climate much faster than the natural variations can account for.
@gcewing
@gcewing Год назад
Most of those changes happened over millions of years, and life had time to adapt to them. For an example of what can happen when the climate changes rapidly, consider the dinosaurs.
@gravelyetigravelyeti4284
@gravelyetigravelyeti4284 Год назад
You are a modern god Fran 😊
@psilverz4848
@psilverz4848 Год назад
goddess???
@Nelson_Nicholson
@Nelson_Nicholson Год назад
Change is healthy.
@tony_w839
@tony_w839 Год назад
not necessarily, change may be unhealthy.
@jsl151850b
@jsl151850b Год назад
*Propellent*
@fazergazer
@fazergazer Год назад
Yes, ice on land will raise the oceans when it melts. Greenland, Antarctica. At the rate we’re going, New Orleans will be under water in
@crabby7668
@crabby7668 Год назад
The problem is we have already passed one of the "deadlines" for that to happen. We should have experienced 10 metres of sea level rise already, based on a prediction from a few decades ago. There has been little or no noticeable sea level rise (a few millimeters is irrelevant when a tide is several metres, before adding adverse weather). Multiple predictions have been made by these people and multiple times we have blasted through these deadlines with no observable effects of these predictions coming to pass. They are very simply very poor at predicting anything. If they provided you with your horse racing tips, you would be a very poor man/woman by now. While you may be correct on the quantities that you state, I would be very hesitant on the time line that some people theorise may apply. Form says they will be wrong as usual.
@rtg5421
@rtg5421 Год назад
Yahoo!🥰🤔
@johnb1010
@johnb1010 Год назад
at 5:55 you explained why life didnt start on earth as a single cell in the perfect conditions...in fact the environment was harsh and adverse, the first cell didnt have food to eat either, pretty hard for a cell to magically form in a harsh condition from anomaly making the bald eagle and rain Forrest when it never had a glucose source, or protein chain, it didnt exist yet....I'm not smoking down some religion theology of existence, things obviously evolve and adapt to profound levels. Only life on earth never started on earth
@FranLab
@FranLab Год назад
Life on Earth most likely began on the ocean floor along the warm and nutrient rich thermal vents, as has been shown in recent explorations. The notion that everything begins somewhere else just moves the question mark to another location, endlessly. Who created the creator? If the creator is eternal and never beginning then so is the universe, and no creation is needed...etc. It is then just turtles all the way down.
@gcewing
@gcewing Год назад
The earliest life wouldn't have been a cell as we know it. Life will have started with something extremely simple, maybe just a single molecule, that was able to reproduce itself in the conditions at the time. Then as conditions changed due to the presence of the life, the life adapted to the changes. A huge amount of evolution must have gone on before getting even to the most primitive organisms that we have fossil records of. That evolution must have happened somewhere, and there's no reason it couldn't have happened on Earth.
@johnb1010
@johnb1010 Год назад
@@gcewing What are you talking about though a simple self replicating molecule? what lol
@Evergreen64
@Evergreen64 Год назад
Unfortunately you are preaching to the choir. I know it's happening. But there are MANY people who just say "Nope" "Not happening". And as Billy Joel said "And we would all go down together" I remember going to school in the 70's and they were telling us about the greenhouse effect. But they wouldn't let them say that we were getting there soon. That was the oil companies that did that.
@UpLateGeek
@UpLateGeek Год назад
This gives me hope for future generations. I mean, we'll have to wait until all the climate change denying dinosaurs go extinct to see some real action, and they'll probably take a couple of billion people with them thanks to the accelerating natural disasters. But eventually they'll get there.
@stevedentt9016
@stevedentt9016 Год назад
yeah the ozone is better cause we switched the coolant to an even more inefficient type of refrigerant...but it doesn't deplete the ozone it just contributes to green house gases. So when those get bad they will which back to the ozone deleting mix...and on and on as usual. But hey you want and need that AC right....Now i have to live through ozone warnings in my area warning me about to much ozone in the air. I hope they switch back again soon so the next generation can hear about the dangerous green house gas build up. Its a giant scam and they figured it out decades ago. 50 yrs of the sky is falling being promised....nothing happened. What a bummer i really was hoping it would end in total nuclear annihilation. oh then it was water world....I waited for the end of the suffering but it never happened. great episode.
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