The worst part of playing angry is that, at least for me, I recognize I’m playing mad and I verbally tell myself “Stop playing,” but my monkey brain says “must win to feel better!”
Literally me playing SF ranked. I know I should chill but I just wouldn’t feel right ending my session on a losing streak. Then I get the win and feel empty bc I tell myself that opponent was too easy. I just take breaks between different games and switch and that seems to help; I’m playing Sekiro right now for example and it’s definitely better for my sanity than SF haha.
It doesn't say much about you to get one more win or one loss when you have thousands of both. Nobody else is thinking about the moment, so you don't have to impress anybody. If you're thinking about it to the point you feel like you have to play more, though I can help you direct your thoughts to something more useful: 1: You're on a losing streak. If you're upset that you're losing, then you'd be remiss to ignore the possibility that you are ingraining bad habits, and you're more likely to lose more in the future if you continue to do so. You are literally doing the wrong thing to win by aimlessly playing through lose streaks. If you don't care that you're losing, then you should be more positive. The losses are ok, too. You can play through lose streaks if you fix your mentality on them and use them as a learning experience. 2: Putting down the game can also help you become a better player. Thinking about situations from a purely theoretical perspective and playing in the moment are different things, and you can't do both at the same time. You could always take your drive to the lab to finish off sessions. I doubt you have enough match up knowledge, right? I don't think even Brian believes he has enough. 3: You are in the same rank as the other players. If you could beat them with great frequency, it wouldn't say much about the level of strategy the players have if they're such flawed plans. These are other dudes at your level trying their hardest to keep you from winning and you can't ignore the work they put in or skill they have. If you're in a low point, there's a good chance you're not playing at that skill level at that time, so learning why you're having that dip through introspection is probably more valuable than throwing yourself at games. See 2. Personally, I use #1. When I'm struggling and find myself getting salty, I ask myself if I'm trying to get better, or trying to sit down and enjoy video games. If I want to truly get better, chances are I should be spending more time in the lab and watching replays (super plat now. Lots to grind out). If I want to say "Screw that, I want the win" it has to be for fun, or it's simply counterproductive. Sorry I'm so wordy. I just be that way.
I feel the opposite about that actually. In that situation, I feel happy that I was right, and figure I'll have better execution next time. It's all about progress.
The "toxic streamer influencing the viewers" point is a good one. I feel like regularly watching those kinds of streamers can easily turn a person into a scrub, new players especially. They'll emulate their streamer while playing and start making excuses for the opponents' playstyles more often than attempting any meaningful growth of their own.
Yeah and it happens in a lot of games. One guy gets popular streaming it, but he hates his life and just complains all day. Suddenly, you find a lot of proxies of him playing the game, even saying the same type of things.
Agreed. They're just parroting their favorite streamers views and talking points. It creates a built in excuse for when you lose. "Oh this guys a masher", "They play such a cheap character", "did you see the dropped frames", etc. Instead of taking responsability for your play and growing. For every person that thinks they will challenge on wake up to take the turn back, there is someone on the other side that thinks you're a button mashing gorilla.
The great circle: “God, why am I so mad! Stop being mad stupid me!” Then I get more mad at myself for being mad. “Uhh! I’m so bad for being salty! I hate that I’m so mad!”
I had the same thing, but as Brian F said that Rob TV said, "We take those" I know that feel, and it sucks but hey, you did something good, at least you ca go back and find out on film what you did good so that is something
New players are def not the type of people to know the quality of their victories to measure it to anything. If they aren't learning anything from losing, then winning definitely won't teach them anything at all. Sure the feeling of victory is nice but always fleeting.
@@t4d0W I found out that watching yourself play on film, you see how bad you are, so try that, even if you are new or old you are gonna see the problems and holes in your game. It is more of a question of how many holes can you see, and also observing the player that is beating you
I have been playing a lot of Apex, and as frustrating as it is to feel like you win a fight only to get third partied, it teaches you a lot about accepting losses because that's just how the format works. You learn to accept little victories because it WILL be awhile before you get a big one. You gotta appreciate all your kills and movements and whatnot.
also gives you a fun puzzle. could we have avoided the third party if we looted faster? did we even need to loot at all since there were only 8 squads left? does my character have a way to get us out of a sticky situation? figuring out how you could have pulled it off is like a mini-game itself
@@KTSamurai1 most of times the 3rd party arive while you are still in fight and wait to finish you after, thus looting faster or not looting at all wouldn´t help.
This is for real tho. I got creamed in Fighterz 2-0 TWICE in a row and it got me fucked up. I was so down I lost to a dude that was doing whatever. I was EATING 2Hs that were telegraphed from five miles away. After I stopped a few minutes later I was thinking to myself, "did I really eat all that?". Sometimes ya just gotta cool down
Another thing that happens playing on tilt is that players easily question their own abilities and situations they are losing in. Especially at low ranks when a player gets taken for straight rounds into a set and may be thinking their opponent is SOOO much better in that context. But in the end their opponent just took advantage of CHs, didn't drop combos and just comfortably got to play the game despite having pringles for defense. It never occurs for these players to actually absorb the loss properly as a learning tool and play again with a better sense of awareness.
The worst part is if people are malding in text chat. They're typing essays about how awful that enemy character is or cursing a storm about a teammate. Sometimes it helps if I tell them to stop typing and start playing, but occasionally it's already too late and it's all downhill.
“It’s only game, why you have to be mad?” Fr tho, working on my mentality and responses to losses/different playstyles has been a great exercise in patience 😅
This and Leon massey's video are really what fighting game players need to see as I feel a lot of us take the wrong lessons out of playing games and set ourselves up for failure, which ultimately blinds us to how good we actually are at the game. I remember 1 time when I was playing Xrd a player just started apologizing to me for being bad and unskilled, despite the fact that most of the games were close and in neutral I was getting blown up all over the place. But because that person wasn't winning they didn't consider themselves good while in my mind I thought they were pretty decent. I ended up spending a good while trying to talk them out of that self depreciative state.
I mean if you kept beating them even though they took a lot of neutral interactions you're probably just better anyway, maybe they just didn't know any real confirms
@@borederlands5387 who cares who's worse or better, the idea is that their mental approach was holding them back. Are you trying to say that player should be talking about themselves like that because they actually are bad? The obvious answer is no, no one should, lest they remain a scrub.
6:48 Sajam's Chat Mod: "You heard 'em. If Young Sajam don't trust ya, I gon' shoot ya" Play mad, go bad; is what I say to myself when I start to get mad at something.
This attitude is really easy to fall into in Siege due to how quickly you can die. I also have a bad habit of falling into this when trying to learn a new combo, and I think this will get me to reassess the way I learn.
@@octaviogonzalez8794 Siege is about the closest to the fighting game experience you'll get in a shooter tbh. You need to mature as a player to progress in siege. And oh boy it's a fuckin painful process.
@@MhnFive I can imagine there's a lot of depth to the game. Map knowledge especially. The only shooter I can compare with FGs is probably Quake 3 Arena. Map control and stage control aren't too dissimilar and the amount of technical proficiency required does lend to a steep learning curve with some plateaus. Probably what you're describing with siege too.
5:50 having to fight Zappa for 2.5 hours straight as a Sol main myself recently broke my brain and turned it into soggy cherios. Mad respect for not losing your mind fighting him.
People do this in League too. My friends tend to get really tilted and whatever and they get upset when they die and blame the enemy team's champions or w/e. The attitude is so stressful and it genuinely affects me if it gets too much. I just try to focus on having a good time first and foremost and not getting too stressed out about it. I'm also the one that pops off the most if I do something cool.
I have the opposite experience. I want to chill and limit test a champ I'm trying out, but my friends and their stupid masochistic tendencies just BEG the enemy team to destroy us. I avoid playing with them deliberately now, but we're still friends. But I'm damn sure I'll play alone than play with them lmao
I think what helps League players give into the salt, me included, is that some of the time, you die through no fault of your own, and that sometimes your teammates dropped the ball and it led to you dying. And that's not fair, even as I'm typing this out, I've come to realize that. A big problem with League is that a vocal part of the playerbase, not sure whether its just a few people being really loud or if it's most people, have become accustomed to that attitude, to the point that it's just ingrained in a lot of people, even the people you queue up with that seemed chill.
@@mkhcfire9684 Sometimes there's nothing you could have done and that's okay, you just gotta step away and not get mad and then think about how to move the game forward in your favour.
I think a lot of the mindset difficulty, at least in my case, comes from feeling like you aren't contributing to the environment. When I play league or valorant with friends and just totally blow dick the whole game, it's so frustrating because I'm making it worse for me and my friends. I get this fucked up idea in my head that my losing my team the game just makes me a worse person
I learned how to play league by playing with friends who carried me So i am used to that feeling if you play with people who love you they will accept that you suck and support you along the way Winning is meaningless on its own Losing with good friends is better than winning on your own
I have a friend I will literally NEVER play games with. No matter what it is, he'll rage. Brings the entire mood down. If you can find excuses as to why you lost in CHESS that aren't "I suck" or "I didn't know that", that's a problem.
The other end of this is also super important; having a good attitude and giving yourself props for things you do well even when you lose. I've been learning Melty Blood with a friend recently, and on top of having more experience with the game from back in the day, he also has like 10+ years of fighting game experience over me. I rarely win in any game we play. But I get hype as hell when I execute a setup I've been working on, even if he goes on to whup my ass afterwards. I consider it an absolute win when I can tell he's suddenly getting desperate and playing more serious, just to avoid having to deal with the stuff I've been labbing.
Man, I finished some sets against UI Goku I was super mad A while later watched some dotodoya vids and he's so calm and is aways having a good time and praising the enemy for the hits that makes me kinda guilty for been so mad.
Taking a break is so real. Thank you for spreading positive mentality. If I ever get stuck because of my mentality it helps to just play a character I don’t main. I get to learn a bit more about the game and practice my fundamentals but not try to headbutt my way through a brick wall of bad feels and also remember why I like game I play. The truth is we put too much pressure on ourselves to be good. If you’re not trying to top 8 at tournaments, having fun at the expense of slowing down your mastery of one character in one game is worth it
A friend of mine is terrible with this. We were playing Granblue and I kept telling him to just stop mashing, its not going to work and then he gets even MORE upset. He goes down the bad salt route a lot when that happens.
I have the same problem when I play smash or Soul Calibur with my brother, mostly in Soul Calibur is like "Don't mash, why you complain about x thing if you never ever try to use y, it is a good counter"
I heard these 'playing mad' stories often when new T7 players back in 2017. They kept complaining about trying to improve and losing but didn't notice that they were hitting rematch and playing angry. Didn't even consider just taking a 30 second breather and thinking about simple adjustments. Consequently they get angry at the game and the overall experience until they mellow out and realize that playing on tilt never gives a competitive edge. Its the same even with IRL sports and I have blessed to have those kind of experiences myself to know.
I'll admit back then I had this same toxic attitude playing League and CS:GO. Despite how frustrated I got, I'd keep playing thinking "maybe I'll get better teammates" or "I'll get an even match in the next one." It wasn't until I picked up fighting games that I learned about taking breaks and understanding scenarios to make better choices. I still get tilted every now and again, but I've learned to appreciate the small victories.
I remember watching a WarOwl video, and one of the climbing tips he gave for CS:GO is minding your tone when you relay information after you die. You can mald after the fact, but you can't let your malding mess up the attitude of the rest of the team.
Some people just have this weird confidence or inferiority issue where all they see is their bad points. You need to see both your good and bad points because otherwise you will keep working on improving something you're good at and neglecting other things you need actual work on. As for playing mad, I can do that by channeling my anger creatively. I know not everyone works this way but to me it just fuels me to play better and show the universe that whatever I got hit by that made me angry was not how it should have been. Now I can see if you're not good enough to do that how it can just devolve into a downward spiral with no catharsis, so it's not recommended to play mad generally speaking. Just take a break if you're getting too mad to focus.
perfect timing to see this again. always a good watch. good reminder to play more chill. playin salty killllls me. im in that bad mood constantly on tekken 😩 gotta gas myself a lil
Attitude matters so much. A loss doesn't hurt and mistakes can be fixed. I treat my Job the same way and laugh things off when something goes bad. For whatever reason it's annoying to some people.
100% agree that you have to learn how to hype yourself up. Personally, I've taught myself to do this because whenever I anti-air someone I start screaming that I'm godlike LOL. Its silly but it really helps me mentally and lets me learn much more effectively.
During the last hours of the Strive beta I was playing HARD mad. I knew I couldn’t take a break, if I got up and went to bed I knew the game wouldn’t be there again for months. I completely lost the BnBs I’d learned, I was just losing simple matches. It feels like your brain can still play and function, but your emotions REALLY hobble you in a way that feels just short of physical.
I play three different game genres if I don't do solid in one of them I just get off and wait for the afternoon or tomorrow, rinse/repeat. Its helped alot with my rage, spread your horizons people.
I've been playing comp CSGO recently and every match where I have positive team mates we actually go fairly even even if we lost the match overall, and whenever I have downer team mates that bitch the whole time we just get stomped it's probably a coincidence but I can say having positive and encouraging teammates makes the whole experience infinitely more enjoyable
I have a hard time playing online cuz I take losses so personally. For Strive I made my name "Nothing Personal" to remind myself that I don't need to. I also took a 5-minute break whenever I got three losses in a row. Helped a lot. And also being hyped. So if I get a nice confirm I just cheer or be like "hah, gotcha!", but ALSO trying to laugh when they catch me doing something stupid, like out loud and say like "nice move", "yeah, you caught me", a joke, or just something positive, even though I'm often playing alone. It helps keep my attitude positive, which helps me enjoy the game more even when I lose. Ive been doing it when playing T7 and DBFZ while I wait for Strive, and it's been helping.
These are all great 😁 my roommate always calls me out when they catch me being negative, "say something positive now" so I've been incorporating similar things to you, and it feels way better. Honestly developing respect for your opponent as a player while not being able to see their face is a great thing to learn. Complimenting their punishes instead of getting mad about my own mistakes helps a ton
Strive is really good for this. very rarely do i feel that i got cheapened out of something, maybe Ram is the only one i actively avoid because she's so unintuitive and cheap, but otherwise, oh i got HPB? Fuck im laughing, that was so dumb but that Pot must be havin an orgasm. Oh Chipp got me in the air super? Probably should have blocked xD.
I actually experienced this over the past two days playing Legends of Runeterra. I'm a decent player. I've hit Mythic in Magic quite a few times. But I also tilt pretty easily. When I was going on a super hot win streak I was talking shit, spamming emotes at my enemy, and making the right moves. I'd catch my mistakes and call em out like, "yup here here and here were decisions that I made that lost me the game." And then I had a few rough losses back to back, and I was like "fuck these god draws everything sucks this game is broken." And it just got worse and worse and worse. People think competitive games are about having the best character, knowing the meta strategies, and having the execution to use them. But they aren't. They're all mental games. You keep throwing your head against the wall and you're gonna crack. Talk through your movements. Think about your outs. And most importantly give yourself breaks! If you're streaming, take a time out and talk to chat. If you're at a tournament, sip some water in-between matches. And if you're not doing any of that, you're free to quit! That's the ultimate mental break!
Of course if you really want to see players destroying themselves with spirals of frustration and self-doubt in a single-player game, you have to look at golf.
I feel this is also a big reason not many people get into fighting games. In valorant or league you can have a bad game and get mad but if you're playing with good people you can get carried or they can help keep the mood light as you did. In fighting games its so raw. If you had a bad day and you're mad it doesn't even matter if you're winning or losing you'll just be mad. At that point no fighting game (for casuals) can be fun because you play alone. At least in a team game even if you're getting shit on just hearing others happy and still managing to win can lighten you up abit and keep you playing the game.
Anger during gaming is especially bad for me because I have an ingrained habit of turning to blame-shifting or self-pity to make myself feel better. Lose repeatedly to a better player? "Why isn't he offering me any advice? Some welcoming community this game has!" Drop a combo or get hit because I flubbed something? "F'ckin stick/lag/opponent's decision making. I did the right thing and got hit anyway! It's not fair!" What I eventually realized is this pattern of thinking prevents me from improving. I have a choice: either make myself feel better in the short term with anger, self-pity, and self-justification, or accept the outcome and focus on the things I can control: myself and how I can improve. There's no third option or compromise between the two, at least for me. Even knowing this, it's still difficult to put into practice - I'm up to about 30 - 40 minutes of play time before the feeling starts to creep in now. Still much better than before. Just felt like sharing my experience - thanks for the vid!
I used to play Tekken every morning chugging down a whole pot of coffee, getting lost in the jitters and euphoria and getting pissed off and ruining my whole day sometimes. Now I lay off the coffee and the game is still frustrating, but I'm way more detached and focused, its good fun.
This is honestly why I'm so much better at Guilty Gear than I am at any other fighting game. Something about that game just makes me roll with the blows easier. A lot of the time I genuinely *enjoy* getting blown up, and even when I don't I see it more as a puzzle to be solved than as a frustrating waste of time. Contrast that with Smash Bros, which I've probably put more total hours into overall, but I just don't improve anywhere near as quick because I'm too busy being mad to stop and figure out why I'm losing.
I was on a losing streak on Street Fighter and it got to a point that I was literally just letting people win against me. The only way to turn it around was to take a break and come back a few days later.
When this is all you have, it's hard to not get emotional about losses. I couldnt even learn to ride a bike lol. So like, yeah, every loss feels like a reflection on me as a person. I feel like a complete failure when i lose, even if its close.
Morale can seriously win or lose any match, when I'm playing a ranked game I always ALWAYS try to start with a positive message, maybe a game plan just anything for anyone to cling onto. Like not everyone has to be calling shots or be enthusiastic but if there's something positive present people will go for it if it's available.
Its funny because I try not to ever get toxic when playing Valorant but getting absolutely curbstomped because I, myself, made a mistake and either rushed without backup or didn't use my abilities right or missed a shot or just generally made a mistake, and repeatedly make that mistake and getting ragged on by teammates for it or hearing teammates argue because of it can be pretty frustrating and cause me to stop playing(after the match finishes of course). Nice video, makes me want to think more about my thought process during the game and how I feel when playing 👏
Star Wars Squadrons made "morale" a mechanic within the game, so what that means is you get the double whammy of losing in-game morale and then losing morale in the match you're playing.
The first time I made it to Celestial, I was getting owned by some Potemkin. They had identified that I'm weak to Megafist and started abusing it. You can't exactly 6p it easily due to its disjoint, so I was getting smoked a lot by it. Like in all high stakes games, i started to get frustrated but pulled myself together because I *know* how to fight Potemkin, I'm just letting myself lose. I forced a shift in my perspective mid/match and went into an aggressive assault and eventual victory. I could have lost anyway, but I was guaranteed to lose if I kept myself in a salty unhappy mindset.
tilt in team games is contagious. that's why you gotta be quick to mute shitty people so even if they throw the game you can at least practice fundamentals
This isn't really related to anger, but when I'm playing with friends over the mic, I usually do worse cuz I approach every game more casually and pay more attention to just messing around than taking the game competitively or seriously, making more mistakes but when I play online, I do a lot better and usually dont make the same errors as when I'm playing with my friends
I'm glad that I learned this lesson from a League RU-vidr named Dong Huap. I've long since stopped playing League of Legends, but I still remember not to play any sort of competitive game mode with more than a tablespoonful of salt in my bloodstream.
Yep another person here with the same regrets 😅 I'm learning Tekken and going to training mode if I don't know how to deal with something instead of getting tilted has saved me so much rage. That and just closing the game as I get mad so I can think back to how I lost and improve.
I was clicking on "on sight" by kanye but somehow i got here? Anyways this is ironically a video i needed, because attitude can be poisonous and people need to learn this. If your angry take a break if you dont youll eventually rage quit and bring your team down.
This is why I generally leave when it's clear someone's BMing me. It's not good for my mentality and I probably won't learn much from someone like that anyway.
Wise words from Satan all jokes aside I've had sets that tilted me out I lost FT10s when I was up by 2 to 3 rounds. having a good, clear mindset is definitely very important
I did FT10 with a training partner I had in MK, I felt so shallow after winning like 10-3 because I felt it was his fault, not that I was better or doing really good things.
@@javiermoreno5898 I much prefer playing with sparring partners or friends than randoms online. A difference in win count is almost inevitable, you just gotta hope when you're having a good run, or they're having a bad run that they don't take it personally. That's all you really can do. Try your best to keep the mood light and hope everyone is mature. But making good friends who aren't weenies/complainers in the first place is probably the best solution.
That's one of the benefits of being a masochist when it comes to video games. I can be getting bodied and still have fun, plus it's an opportunity to improve!
I played league for a long time and always had a healthy mindset never raged and almost never got tilted But i never had a fun time outside of playing with friends I now play a lot of valorant and while there is some toxicity and tryhards i also get a lot of games with really positive and fun people Voice chat amplifies both the negative and positive communications So the fun people are really fun to play with But it is also easy to get caught up in frustration and salt when matched with the wrong teammates
i remember playing dota one night where i lost 7 straight games, totalling out to around 250ish mmr, got demoted, and i was so angry that i really haven't played since then. i launched it on saturday to cast a game, but i think i might still be lowkey angry
"words become flesh" when you say "i cant" then you spoke it into the world, you "cannot", you have created a mental block for yourself. its important for fighting games but also apply it to your life. instead of saying "i cannot X" , "Doing X is impossible" , "X is ridiculous!", say "how can i do X?" , "what can i do to change this?" , "i know what to do, i just have to do it/ just practice" it will change your life, speak the change you want in yourself to manifest in the word instead of the one you do not
